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Posted by: Squirrel, Saturday, April 12, 2008, 8:53am
Help please!

I've been following the BTD for 10 months as a secretor, and 6 months as a non-secretor and this is still bothering me. Food is no longer fun, or a treat. It's just fuel to stop me getting wobbly and falling over. I never think "Wow that was DELICIOUS" any more. Some recipes work better than others, but none give me that "yum factor" that I used to get.

I don't mind preparing food for DH, in fact I enjoy getting quite creative in the kitchen. But I'm aware that it's mainly to get the "That was DELICIOUS" reaction from him, not from me.

What's wrong with me? What can I do about it?  :'(
Posted by: shells, Saturday, April 12, 2008, 10:48am; Reply: 1
Squirrel,  this is what worked for me:

*  focusing on what I can eat rather than what I can't eat...eliminates that deprived feeling

*  replace food items rather than just eliminating, e.g. rice for wheat, rice crackers for bread, homemade sauces & gravies instead of store-bought bottled

*  remembering that the 'yum feeling' might just be the addictive feeling of allergy reuptake (bread & wheat are so addictive)

*  striving for the 'wow' feeling throughout the day rather than just a hit after a meal

Hope this helps    :D
Posted by: Squirrel, Saturday, April 12, 2008, 1:32pm; Reply: 2
Thanks Shells.
We have very little non-compliant items in our kitchen so that I can't obsess about what I can't have. You're right, that does help the deprived feeling. Obviously there are some things that DH eats, like mozzarella cheese which I can't, but I can work around that. He has his own shelves in the fridge and cupboard!
Replacing items is not so easy because the O-non diet is supposed to be pretty much grain-free, and I've always eaten grains.
I think you're very right about the addictive feeling of something bad, especially wheat. That's what I was afraid of, that the yum factor, artificial though it was, is no longer available to me if I eat right.
I don't get a wow feeling at all, not during meals or between them. I don't feel much different on the diet from how I felt before it, I just feel rubbish now if I eat avoids. DH really enjoys his food. Why can't I? Maybe there's something I'm missing here.
Posted by: JJR, Saturday, April 12, 2008, 2:46pm; Reply: 3
Can't you have like a piece of chocolate from time to time?  Did you try the bars Dr.D makes?  Supposedly they are compliant for anyone.  Although they do have rice in them, I think.  Those are so good I go banana's when I eat them.  

There's gotta be stuff out there that would knock your socks off that you maybe haven't tried yet.  To me, most fruit tastes way better than any candy bar out there.  For instance, I've had grapefruit the last couple mornings and I haven't had one in years.  Oh WOW!!!!!!  Those are awesome.  And beneficial for me.

I hope something zings ya, because I like eating food now more than I have in years by following the diet.  I was used to eating so many things out of a box.  Noodles, etc.  Everything tastes like too much salt.
Posted by: RedLilac, Saturday, April 12, 2008, 4:18pm; Reply: 4
Most of the time, throughout my life, Iíve eaten because I have to, not because I enjoy it.  Then my son started doing the cooking and WOW that is delicious came through loud and clear.  While heís cooking up one of his stews I get hungrier and hungrier just smelling it.  Try having your hubby make you a meal once in awhile.  Getting something new & different from a restaurant will do it for me also.  

When we get into a rut and eat the same things all the time, it is no longer exciting.
Posted by: jayneeo, Saturday, April 12, 2008, 4:29pm; Reply: 5
you need some zing...maybe a garlicky pesto sauce slathered over rice or millet or quinoa! Or some indian spiced recipes..indian spices are so good for us! Or a grilled filet mignon with buttery mushrooms... ;)
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, April 12, 2008, 7:10pm; Reply: 6
I was kind of in that rut also, after eating at a very high level of compliance for my blood type for nearly a decade.  I ended up switching over to the Genotype diet and it gave a whole new twist to my kitchen habits.  I'm enjoying food and variety again, and getting creative in food preparation.  The GTD isn't for everyone, like my daughter who is sticking with her blood type diet, but it's working great for me.
Posted by: 2985 (Guest), Saturday, April 12, 2008, 8:22pm; Reply: 7
How about some mushrooms and onions fried in ghee with garlic, then add some pieces of meat. Or how about fried veggies in an omelet with Ezekiel bread?

I think I can do with these O NS foods. I've been back on BTD for 3 weeks today. Try some sauteed walnuts in ghee with garlic powder and sea salt.

Maybe you could add more sea salt to your foods. We have to use our imagination. :) I haven't eaten an avoid in 3 weeks and I don't intend to. :)
Posted by: 2985 (Guest), Saturday, April 12, 2008, 8:28pm; Reply: 8
The way I look at it is : I don't want my food to be too delicious. If it was too delicious I'd probably eat too much of it, and that's not good. :)
Posted by: mikeo, Saturday, April 12, 2008, 8:46pm; Reply: 9
I would suggest you eat in peace and savor your food without any distractions...close your eyes and concentrate on the taste and texture of your food
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Saturday, April 12, 2008, 11:55pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Victoria
I'm enjoying food and variety again, and getting creative in food preparation.


This is what turns me on.  I've only made one thing since being on the GTD that was a dud.  I've been very pleasantly surprised at the rest of the foods...

It turns me on to make something that is great tasting and most of all so healthy.  

I've really gotten hooked on sweet potatoes and ghee... man ghee brings out all the sweetness of the potato.  If I'm really feeling in need of sweet, I just add some agave.  Delish!
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, April 13, 2008, 12:12am; Reply: 11
get those bone broths going!
add veggies and sweet potatoes or compliant grain to it and you have very nutritious and comforting meals!
Posted by: Caz B, Sunday, April 13, 2008, 11:34am; Reply: 12
Squirrel, you don't have any depression issues do you?

I have always LOVED food.  But I can tell when things are going blue for me when nothing hits the spot.  It's all blah.  You know you've gotta eat otherwise you'll go all shaky and nauseous but yek, what to have?

Only a suggestion and I hope it's something much simpler for you.  Best Wishes  ;)
Posted by: RedLilac, Sunday, April 13, 2008, 2:57pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Lola
get those bone broths going!
add veggies and sweet potatoes or compliant grain to it and you have very nutritious and comforting meals!


My son made soup bone soup for the first time last week with vegetables and it was absolutely delicious.  It was the first time I had ever had it.  I love the bone marrow that came out of it.

Caz:  When I get upset, I donít want to eat either.  Nothing looks appetizing to me.  
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, April 13, 2008, 3:04pm; Reply: 14
Squirrel, have a look-see at this thread. If you love the 4 ingredients, you'll love this. With or w/o the burger.  ;) :K)
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1207071927/s-8/highlight-Lunch+from+Heaven/#num8
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Monday, April 14, 2008, 12:09am; Reply: 15
Maybe I wish I had this problem! I like to eat too much. I wish I didn't get so hungry.
Eating & cooking take so much time.
Posted by: italybound, Monday, April 14, 2008, 2:07am; Reply: 16
Quoted from Mrs T O+
I wish I didn't get so hungry.Eating & cooking take so much time.


Do you feel like you are hungry too often or too often are you've just eaten? and yes, cooking takes so long.........and clean up.  :-/
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, April 14, 2008, 2:15am; Reply: 17
When I get depressed about food and I feel like I'm fixing the same ole, same ole thing all the time, I take a trip to the library and check out a dozen foreign cookbooks.  I do the best with Indonesian and Indian cookbooks because I can then avoid all the wheat and dairy and corn.  You still have to tweak some of the recipes, but boy, do they taste good.  I can get excited about cooking again when I just read through some cookbooks (nothing American, though).
Posted by: Squirrel, Monday, April 14, 2008, 3:05am; Reply: 18
It's odd, I don't mind the cooking and preparing - I enjoy being creative in the kitchen, and I like making tasty meals - but by the time they're ready to eat I'm just not interested any more. I know they're tasty, and I can tell which are nicer than others. I do suffer (still  ::)) with mouth ulcers which makes eating very painful sometimes. Maybe these coincide with/indicate a lowered immune system/fighting off some bug which would have sapped my appetite anyway. Does anyone else get mouth ulcers?

I'd forgotten about depression. It's a possibility. When I gave up wheat, to start with I felt a lot better and realised that I'd probably been depressed for most of my life without realising that how I felt was abnormal. I thought everyone had to fight to be positive, just some people were better at it than others. Well you would, wouldn't you? But now even with no wheat in my diet, I kind of feel the same again. I very definitely do not want to go on any anti-depressants though. What else besides wheat can cause depression?
Posted by: italybound, Monday, April 14, 2008, 3:13am; Reply: 19
Quoted from Squirrel
What else besides wheat can cause depression?


white sugar? how are you w/ dairy? these 2 things cause trouble for me. BIG trouble.
Posted by: Caz B, Monday, April 14, 2008, 3:30am; Reply: 20
Definitely wheat and sugar are MAJOR culprits!!  Sometimes I feel like I'm in a coma when I've indulged in too much of them - rotten  :(  Or I go the other way and become a MONSTER!!

I'm not sure about the dairy but Dr D says in the Fatigue book that wheat and dairy are the 1st foods that must go.  For me depression and fatigue seem to go hand in hand.

My husband found this Aust website that has a questionnaire - http://www.beyondblue.org.au   - this put me on the track to seeing my naturopath (who gave me lots more questionnaires) and having some herbal remedies prescribed which really helped.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, April 14, 2008, 3:45am; Reply: 21
Quoted Text
What else besides wheat can cause depression?

lack of purpose, or project and exercise.....create a routine, personally designed by you,one you thrive in, and do with spirit! something you look forward to on a daily basis!
exercise is our prozac!
Posted by: Maldo, Monday, April 14, 2008, 6:27am; Reply: 22
Lifes no fun with no yum factor,

Agree that exercise might be best - but I know its hard in singapore with the heat, humidity and pollution
Posted by: Caz B, Monday, April 14, 2008, 6:31am; Reply: 23
Quoted from Lola

lack of purpose, or project and exercise.....create a routine, personally designed by you,one you thrive in, and do with spirit! something you look forward to on a daily basis!
exercise is our prozac!


Lola, I think you are so right!  Thank you for reminding us of this  :)
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, April 14, 2008, 12:43pm; Reply: 24
If I were a Brit in Singapore I might feel a little homesick and displaced.
Posted by: Squirrel, Monday, April 14, 2008, 1:53pm; Reply: 25
Thank you ladies and gentlemen. I do appreciate your input, really.

Hmm. We've been in Singapore for over 3 years now so I'm used to being away from friends and family. My laptop is my lifeline! I like it here, and I've got used to the heat.

I've been forced to rest up for the last few weeks, but my energy, exercise and enthusiasm level is usually pretty good. I go for a brisk walk most days. The yum factor disappeared when I started the BTD in Jan 2007. I don't eat wheat, dairy or sugar as per O-non guidelines. My only regular "sin" is sometimes a little bit of soy sauce if I have sushi, and then I pop the Deflect. In fact I'm on Deflect twice a day anyway.

This evening I mashed up yesterday's leftover cooked salmon, made a perfect compliant mayonnaise and cooked up some pasta, mixed it all together and chilled it. I then sauted zucchini and sliced portobello mushrooms in olive oil with onion salt and black pepper, served hot, with a twist of freshly ground black pepper over it all. There was minimum preparation to dull my taste buds, it was new to me therefore creative, and I could tell it was really nice. DH called it "scrummy". And I couldn't even get my mouth to water! So sad. Oh and I'm not dehydrated either. I'm just confused.

(I'm just off to beyondblue...)
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Monday, April 14, 2008, 2:13pm; Reply: 26
Squirrel, you don't by any chance use gas to cook with, do you? Anything to do with gas in a house, whether it is used for cooking or heating and cooling, will send me into a depression immediately. I was just wondering about this since you seem to go downhill during your food prep. Sometimes we can spend years searching internally for the causes of depression when it is something external. Leaky plumbing under a sink can do the same thing because of the mold.
Posted by: italybound, Monday, April 14, 2008, 2:15pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from Caz B
I'm not sure about the dairy but Dr D says in the Fatigue book that wheat and dairy are the 1st foods that must go.  


If I remember correctly, the are the first 2 to go for O's in all the books. Guess that tells us something eh?  ;)  I know they don't do me good.  :(
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Monday, April 14, 2008, 2:18pm; Reply: 28
Also, I would be into major detective mode to find out what is causing those mouth ulcers.
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, April 14, 2008, 7:43pm; Reply: 29
Uh...yeah.  I will say this about my own experience with little water blisters in my mouth.  Even after--especially after--I started the BTD, I would get the water blisters after eating certain beneficial foods.  Walnuts, canned salmon, raisins, Ezekiel bead, honey, all sorts of good stuff would give them to me.  They'd last a few hours or a day and go away.  Since being on the Warrior diet they have stopped.  I don't guess I've had a single one.
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, April 14, 2008, 8:07pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from Squirrel
The yum factor disappeared when I started the BTD in Jan 2007. I don't eat wheat, dairy or sugar as per O-non guidelines. My only regular "sin" is sometimes a little bit of soy sauce if I have sushi, and then I pop the Deflect. In fact I'm on Deflect twice a day anyway.


Mouth ulcers are a real pain...  (pun intended)!  I used to live with them constantly, but recently have had very few.  I just got one last week that I am fighting right now.  What caused it?  Good question!  I have been eating per BTD/GTD guidelines since Feb. 2006, but still detoxing much built up garbage from pre-BTD, so the body pulls junk out randomly and creates grief just the same as if I had just eaten the avoid...
Posted by: italybound, Monday, April 14, 2008, 8:13pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from ABJoe
...still detoxing much built up garbage from pre-BTD, so the body pulls junk out randomly and creates grief just the same as if I had just eaten the avoid...


my wonderful detox thing is smelling cigarette smoke..........uhhhhh.........gets that's not as bad as mouth blisters, but it gives me a headache and makes me feel really bad, just like I'd been exposed to it. Funny how all that works!
Posted by: jayneeo, Monday, April 14, 2008, 8:17pm; Reply: 32
mouth ulsers....candida?
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, April 14, 2008, 8:23pm; Reply: 33
Don't know.  I believe I still have systemic Candida, but it's getting better, as my skin indicates.

Squirrel, I know what you mean about the yum factor.  I really do.  Food is sometimes pretty unappetizing even when it's supposed to be good.  Usually I just salt it down really good and eat it anyway.  Another option is (I can't believe I'm suggesting this) to go off the diet for a few days or a week and see how horrible you feel, then you'll be so thankful to be back on your diet that it won't taste so boring after all. :K)
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Monday, April 14, 2008, 8:38pm; Reply: 34
How about a little chocolate?  Always brings my mood up!  ;D
Posted by: RedLilac, Tuesday, April 15, 2008, 1:16am; Reply: 35
I was down in the dumps this morning, but still drank my usual whey protein shake with carob powder.  Nothing exciting, just habit.  I delved into work and forgot my troubles.  For lunch I had a salad of lettuce, broccoli, shredded mozzarella cheese, sliced roast beef and topped with olive oil and rice vinegar.  I drank Cranberry meets Raspberry juice.  Then driving home I started thinking of my issues again.  I was going to go exercise at least the upper part of my body since I have that stupid twisted knee (not what has me down), but I forgot my exercise bag at home.  My son just finished his taxes and asked me to look since they are due tomorrow (such a procrastinator).  So I talked myself out of going to exercise.  I should have, that raises the endorphin levels, but I didnít.  My son had some friends coming over, so didnít make dinner.  I knew had I to eat, but didnít feel like cooking.  No excitement about food.  I ate a handful of berries and munched on Laver Nori seaweed while my rice cooked.  Then I had the rice with ghee and sea salt.  Iíll probably eat some mozzarella cheese later because if I donít have some protein Iíll feel worse.  So Iím good at giving advice, but not good about taking it.

Last night my son did make a yum dinner.  He made ground ostrich with onions, garlic, spelt noodles and a secret ingredient.  I gobbled it down and then he told me what it was.  The night before he had made a lamb roast and used the leftover drippings for gravy.
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, April 15, 2008, 1:52pm; Reply: 36
Wow, that sounded like a fantastic dinner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry that you're not feeling real up.  Maybe it's something physical.  Seretonin, Dopamine, those kinds of things.  I don't know, just throwing things out there.  I pray that you get better.  FWIW, I know how you feel.  I don't feel that way about food right now, but I don't have anywhere near the energy I'm used to having.
Posted by: RedLilac, Thursday, April 17, 2008, 2:25am; Reply: 37
My problem is some major stressful issues going on in my life right now.  I went to the gym to exercise tonight and usually Iím starving afterward, but a few nibbles satisfied me tonight.  I tried to do some lower body exercises besides the upper body ones tonight, but my knee is still not ready.  Sigh.
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