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Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 12:49am
I really enjoyed my appointment. I was Genotype tested, measured, finger printed, breath tested...

I'll find out next visit what I am but I suspect I am a Warrior. Dr. C is such a nice person!
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 12:57am; Reply: 1
Man, this suspense would drive me crazy! At least you enjoyed your appointment. That beats the life out of most doctor's visits even when you like your doc and staff! (smile)
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 1:59am; Reply: 2
Keep us updated!!!!!  That is totally cool.  Did you get a lollypop?  Hehhehhehehehehhe.
Posted by: podiecat, Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 1:05pm; Reply: 3
Hi Mayflowers,

I was wondering if you had gone yet. I thought Dr. C was really great also. And I too need to wait to find out my genotype.

Please let us know how the appointment with Dr. D goes.....

carol
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 2:49pm; Reply: 4
No, I didn't get a lollipop..LOL  

Carol, when are you going back? You went way before me.

Spring, I'm ok. I saw in my finger prints one finger had an arch shape so that's a sign of a Warrior in the book. That's why I'm not so dying of curiosity.  I thought at first maybe an Explorer but when I got home and looked it up, Explorers are all A- and I'm an A+ and all the A+ people were female Warriors, no matter what the leg, torso and finger measurments were.

Slight possibility of a Teacher but I doubt it. I think the index finger has to be longer to be a Teacher and my ring fingers were longer. It was so much fun, all those tests! ;D

Looking forwarding to meeting Dr. D in a couple of weeks!
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:06pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from 815
No, I didn't get a lollipop..LOL  

Carol, when are you going back? You went way before me.

Spring, I'm ok. I saw in my finger prints one finger had an arch shape so that's a sign of a Warrior in the book. That's why I'm not so dying of curiosity.  I thought at first maybe an Explorer but when I got home and looked it up, Explorers are all A- and I'm an A+ and all the A+ people were female Warriors, no matter what the leg, torso and finger measurments were.

Slight possibility of a Teacher but I doubt it. I think the index finger has to be longer to be a Teacher and my ring fingers were longer. It was so much fun, all those tests! ;D

Looking forwarding to meeting Dr. D in a couple of weeks!


Is it that simple? ..".A positive females are definitely Warriors no matter what the leg, torso
or finger measurements were"?????

Can you please explain.  

Posted by: podiecat, Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:17pm; Reply: 6
It's not that simple because I'm A+ and may possibly be an explorer.

Mayflowers, I changed my appointment because I'm really run down and traveling would take too much out of me right now. I made it for May 1st. I have a monster cold sore, chilled to the bones for a week, and sobbing non-stop - that would not make for a good visit with Dr. D.....

Please let me know how your next appointment goes...... carol
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:21pm; Reply: 7
Make yourself some really, really compliant A-nonnie foods and eat only those for a couple of days.  You'll feel better.  I make lentil soup when I feel like that.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:26pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from Chloe


Is it that simple? ..".A positive females are definitely Warriors no matter what the leg, torso
or finger measurements were"?????

Can you please explain.  



If you look at the pages in the advanced section, I am an A+ secretor, so I looked at all the sections containing A+ secretor and the females were Warriors no matter what the leg/torso and lower leg to upper leg was if the ring fingers were longer. My index finger is not longer which would disqualify Teacher. Both of my ring fingers are longer. capeesh?  :)(I am Italian)

Feel better Carol..are you getting enough magnesium?  Try some supplements. I looked up magnesium deficiency and it said, depression, fatigue are signs. Also irritability.  
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:30pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from podiecat
It's not that simple because I'm A+ and may possibly be an explorer.

Mayflowers, I changed my appointment because I'm really run down and traveling would take too much out of me right now. I made it for May 1st. I have a monster cold sore, chilled to the bones for a week, and sobbing non-stop - that would not make for a good visit with Dr. D.....

Please let me know how your next appointment goes...... carol


Hope you feel better.  I see how you could possibly be an Explorer as a non secretor.

But for a secretor female who is A positive, is Warrior the only option?  How are we
ruling out Teacher?


Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 5:05pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Chloe

But for a secretor female who is A positive, is Warrior the only option?  How are we
ruling out Teacher?


It does seem the only option...expect because my index finger is shorter than my ring finger on both hands. If say one of my index fingers was longer, I could be a Teacher. I sound so knowledgable, LOL.... Dr. C said my head is small for a Warrior.  Warriors have big heads  :-/..Could I be a deformed Warrior? My finger prints all have ulnar loops except one archy finger..I'm trying to find what the ulnar loops mean..and one thumb is a composite...Anyone know?

The only thing that might make a difference is, when I did the NAP secretor test, it was wrong when the results came back "secretor".   So lets see what my blood says. I'm interested if I'm a MM or NM or whatever that means...


LOL.. I still have to see Dr. D to confirm in a couple of weeks.
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 5:21pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from 815


It does seem the only option...expect because my index finger is shorter than my ring finger on both hands. If say one of my index fingers was longer, I could be a Teacher. I sound so knowledgable, LOL.... Dr. C said my head is small for a Warrior.  Warriors have big heads  :-/..Could I be a deformed Warrior? My finger prints all have ulnar loops except one archy finger..I'm trying to find what the ulnar loops mean..and one thumb is a composite...Anyone know?

The only thing that might make a difference is, when I did the NAP secretor test, it was wrong when the results came back "secretor".   So lets see what my blood says. I'm interested if I'm a MM or NM or whatever that means...


LOL.. I still have to see Dr. D to confirm in a couple of weeks.


A deformed Warrior???? Funny!  My thighs are very plump.  I'm a different kind of deformed
Warrior!   LOL

That's how I ruled out Teacher.  Both of my ring fingers were longer than my index and I have a big head as do my two grown Warrior sons. (ouch on getting them through the birth canal..... good thing I don't remember delivering my big headed children!)

I wonder why it is that we can do our measurements and know our genotype by the time we've
answered some questions and you still aren't 100% sure you're a Warrior after you've seen
Dr. D ????  

Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 5:27pm; Reply: 12
I haven't seen Dr. D. yet. :)  I only got my tests done yesterday.

Results in two weeks.  Well, I'll tell you I got my measurments wrong. I measured my upper leg as the same length as the lower leg when in fact the upper leg was longer. I measured my index finger 50 times and it was longer than the ring fingers. I even went out and bought a little ruler! I watched her measure the fingers yesterday and they do it different from the book. So I was wrong on my finger measurments also.

Like I said, I'm pretty sure I'm a deformed Warrior. I just want Dr. D to confirm it.
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 5:46pm; Reply: 13



My ring fingers are really very obviously longer...I can stand up straight and hold my arms down at my sides and look in the mirror and see how much longer my ring fingers are compared
to my index fingers.. I confirmed it with a ruler but I really didn't need to.

So...How did they measure your fingers?
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 6:15pm; Reply: 14
With a see through ruler from underneath. Funny, if I look at my hands, my ring fingers are obviously longer, but if I measure the way the book illustrates in the picture, my index fingers measure longer!  It's so odd.  :-/
Posted by: Jenny, Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 8:03pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from 815
With a see through ruler from underneath. Funny, if I look at my hands, my ring fingers are obviously longer, but if I measure the way the book illustrates in the picture, my index fingers measure longer!  It's so odd.  :-/


I think it's because the base point starts off at a different level, so just looking in the mirror is deceptive and gives the wrong impression.Someone once suggested photocopying your hands and measuring from the print out, also keeping in mind that the photo in the book shows which side of the finger to measure up. 8)

Posted by: dpcat67, Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 8:22pm; Reply: 16
Well I thought I was a teacher until I have been reading all of your comments. Now I wonder. Guess I have better go back and remeasure and study some more. Thanks for the info.
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 8:30pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from dpcat67
Well I thought I was a teacher until I have been reading all of your comments. Now I wonder. Guess I have better go back and remeasure and study some more. Thanks for the info.


Then there is this other characteristic that relates to the finger measuring...whether your
genetics gave more estrogen or testosterone.  Would that relate to men?  Men with higher
estrogen?
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 9:03pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from Chloe


Then there is this other characteristic that relates to the finger measuring...whether your
genetics gave more estrogen or testosterone.  Would that relate to men?  Men with higher
estrogen?


Ring fingers longer than their index fingers... exposed to lots of androgens.  More estrogen means longer index fingers.
Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 9:03pm; Reply: 19
yes...it works for either gender....some men have rounder thighs  and some women have straighter ones, etc.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 10:07pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from 815
My finger prints all have ulnar loops except one archy finger..I'm trying to find what the ulnar loops mean..


Ulna = Bone in lower arm (this corresponds with the pinky side of the hand)

Ulnar loops start form the pinky side.

They differ from radial loops which start from the thumb side.
Ulnar loops are more common.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 11:06pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from C_Sharp


Ulna = Bone in lower arm (this corresponds with the pinky side of the hand)

Ulnar loops start form the pinky side.

They differ from radial loops which start from the thumb side.
Ulnar loops are more common.


Yes, but what do they mean? :-/
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 11:25pm; Reply: 22
Quoted Text
comment on page 71 of the book to mean that a radial loop and and ulnar loop were considered to be a match: "The type of loop doesn't matter for our purposes, only whether it is a loop or not.

loops have one delta, Arches have No deltas, Whorls have Two deltas
Mayflowers,
have you received your GT book yet? ;)
it explains a few things on dermatoglyphics....
here, using the search button I so enjoy! lol
http://www.google.com/custom?q=Dermatoglyphics&sa=Search+dadamo.com&cof=AH%3Acenter%3BAWFID%3A4452213b291e6613%3B&domains=dadamo.com&sitesearch=dadamo.com
and here on ulnar loops
http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Dermatoglyphics

Posted by: Heidi, Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 12:11am; Reply: 23
Mayflowers,
All I see in the book about the "meaning" of ulnar loops is that if you have 8 or more you could have an increased chance of Alzheimer's and cognitive disease later in life. It says having 8 or more is common in Nomads.
Not sure it that helps much  :-/
Posted by: 12 (Guest), Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 12:40am; Reply: 24
Quoted from 815
Dr. C is such a nice person!


Awwwwwww shucks...  (blush)
Wait until you meet Dr. D.!  ;D
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 12:58pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from Heidi
Mayflowers,
All I see in the book about the "meaning" of ulnar loops is that if you have 8 or more you could have an increased chance of Alzheimer's and cognitive disease later in life. It says having 8 or more is common in Nomads.
Not sure it that helps much  :-/


Yes Lola, I have the book. Since it was released. I have all his books except the cancer one.   ;)

Thank you Heidi! What page is it on? That's what I meant when I asked if anyone knows what it means..  :)
Posted by: Heidi, Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 2:10pm; Reply: 26
The last paragraph on page 44.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 3:14pm; Reply: 27
Thanks! I remember reading it and then when I went back to find it I couldn't
Posted by: 260 (Guest), Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 5:01pm; Reply: 28
I had my appt at the clinic today...and I went from a nomad to a gather to an explorer..and now Dr. C says I'm probably a nomad..so I obviously am incapable of doing my own measurements haha...but all went well, I was nervous at first...but yes, Dr. C is very very nice and I felt right at ease...looking forward to my second appt   :)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 7:17pm; Reply: 29
I like to try new things a lot because I'm forever trying supplements and getting a reaction, and Dr. C, said maybe I was an Explorer. She said my head was too small to be a Warrior! A deformed Warrior? LOL ..She wouldn't really say what she thought I was so here I am still in suspense for 2 more weeks. sigh. :-/
Posted by: podiecat, Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 7:30pm; Reply: 30
Hi mm and Mayflowers,

At least you don't have to wait until May 1st! But I needed to change my appointment because I feel totally wiped out and need to get better before traveling again.

I did find out I'm a nonnie though. I like this A nonnie diet much better than I would like the explorer diet which I may be. But I'm losing too much weight too fast.

I react to all kinds of supplements that should help me - and beneficial A nonnie foods.....  I would think it would not be very beneficial if you can't tolerate those foods that are supposed to help the most... All in all, most of the A diet has been my diet for over thirty years. I'm just not allowing the extras that were never good for me...
Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 7:30pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from 815
I like to try new things a lot because I'm forever trying supplements and getting a reaction, and Dr. C, said maybe I was an Explorer. She said my head was too small to be a Warrior! A deformed Warrior? LOL ..She wouldn't really say what she thought I was so here I am still in suspense for 2 more weeks. sigh. :-/


OK...so you're type A, a secretor and rh positive and I thought you couldn't possibly be
an Explorer if you've got those characteristics.  I kept saying all along that I believed I was
an Explorer and not a Warrior and I've got your same A positive and secretor status.  There
might be Explorers among us and we weren't included in the group because either our
secretor status or rh factor didn't fit the profile for Explorer.

If there are exceptions to the Explorer status, and if being both secretor and  having a positive rh factor might include us some of us "chemically sensitive individuals" , I'd think many of us doubtful type A Warriors and Teachers need to know if we're typing ourselves incorrectly.

Mayflowers, are you good or bad on caffeine?  I'm awful.  I could drink a cup of coffee
at noon and be wired and lose sleep because of it.  Also many supplements totally disagree
with me.

Posted by: podiecat, Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 7:37pm; Reply: 32
Hi Chloe,

I don't drink coffee due to my osteoporosis, but I do well with it - other than the fact that if it's too strong it puts me in a very deep sleep - a wonderful sleep!!!
Posted by: Heidi, Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 7:44pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from Chloe


OK...so you're type A, a secretor and rh positive and I thought you couldn't possibly be
an Explorer if you've got those characteristics.  I kept saying all along that I believed I was
an Explorer and not a Warrior and I've got your same A positive and secretor status.  There
might be Explorers among us and we weren't included in the group because either our
secretor status or rh factor didn't fit the profile for Explorer.

If there are exceptions to the Explorer status, and if being both secretor and  having a positive rh factor might include us some of us "chemically sensitive individuals" , I'd think many of us doubtful type A Warriors and Teachers need to know if we're typing ourselves incorrectly.

Mayflowers, are you good or bad on caffeine?  I'm awful.  I could drink a cup of coffee
at noon and be wired and lose sleep because of it.  Also many supplements totally disagree
with me.



I'd like to know the answer to this too. There is an O+ secretor on the Explorer thread that says Dr.D told him he is an Explorer. According to the book that can't be. Makes me wonder if maybe there are a few exceptions to the rules that we don't know about.  ??)

Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 7:48pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from Chloe

Mayflowers, are you good or bad on caffeine?  I'm awful.  I could drink a cup of coffee
at noon and be wired and lose sleep because of it.  Also many supplements totally disagree
with me.


No, Chloe, I don't do well on caffeine. Keeps me awake, makes me nervous, irritable, and triggers anxiety if I drink too much or really caffinated coffee, like Starbucks.  I usually got a latte at Starbucks, so I wouldn't get so much caffeine.  I feel the two cups I usally drink a day, one is instant, is pretty good for the digestion. How about you?  

Didn't Dr. D say there are no crossovers? Like, having some of the characteristics of one genotype and being another? Personally, I was thinking Dr. C was making a joke when she said that...Because we can't be Rh+ and be an Explorer. Unless I had my first NAP secretor test come back in error and I'm really a nonny. I am very chemically sensitive.

Really Heidi? An O+ Explorer?  We really have to ask Dr. D about that..Heh, heh, I will have the opportunity soon....I don't understand..unless he's finding out more from his research after the publication of the book...
Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 8:26pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from 815


No, Chloe, I don't do well on caffeine. Keeps me awake, makes me nervous, irritable, and triggers anxiety if I drink too much or really caffinated coffee, like Starbucks.  I usually got a latte at Starbucks, so I wouldn't get so much caffeine.  I feel the two cups I usally drink a day, one is instant, is pretty good for the digestion. How about you?  

Didn't Dr. D say there are no crossovers? Like, having some of the characteristics of one genotype and being another? Personally, I was thinking Dr. C was making a joke when she said that...Because we can't be Rh+ and be an Explorer. Unless I had my first NAP secretor test come back in error and I'm really a nonny. I am very chemically sensitive.

Really Heidi? An O+ Explorer?  We really have to ask Dr. D about that..Heh, heh, I will have the opportunity soon....I don't understand..unless he's finding out more from his research after the publication of the book...


In the book (and I'm pretty sure I remember this correctly...can't find the exact page where
I read it), it says that if you're caffeine sensitive you're almost always an Explorer.  It doesn't
state that there might be an exception with the secretor status or rh factor...it merely
states that Explorers are known for their caffeine sensitivity.  I can't drink any caffeine.
Chocolate will keep me awake if I have it at night. I crash and burn from caffeine...break
down and start crying because I feel so anxious!

I'm  waiting to hear what genotype you really are.  

Posted by: focused, Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 9:52pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from Heidi


I'd like to know the answer to this too. There is an O+ secretor on the Explorer thread that says Dr.D told him he is an Explorer. According to the book that can't be. Makes me wonder if maybe there are a few exceptions to the rules that we don't know about.  ??)



According to the book O+ secretor can be Gatherer,Hunter, Explorer (men only).
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 10:07pm; Reply: 37
OMGoodness Chloe! Can you be an Explorer?  Now I'm wondering. I swear Chocolate keeps me up at night too! Girl we have to change your avatar! Do you live close enough to go to the clinic? I found the explanation on page 41. It's SO ME. One drink and I'm buzzed! I usually have to take less medication than prescribed! Could I be an Explorer? The plot thickens... :o

Heidi, I can't be a Nomad.  It's Blood type B and AB. No A's there.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 10:55pm; Reply: 38
Quoted Text
Because we can't be Rh+ and be an Explorer. Unless I had my first NAP secretor test come back in error and I'm really a nonny.


the RH status has nothing to do with the nonnie status.....
you can be a nonnie, being either RH positive or RH negative.
think you are confusing the RH with the non stat, right?
Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 11:31pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from 815
OMGoodness Chloe! Can you be an Explorer?  Now I'm wondering. I swear Chocolate keeps me up at night too! Girl we have to change your avatar! Do you live close enough to go to the clinic? I found the explanation on page 41. It's SO ME. One drink and I'm buzzed! I usually have to take less medication than prescribed! Could I be an Explorer? The plot thickens... :o

Heidi, I can't be a Nomad.  It's Blood type B and AB. No A's there.


I live about an hour from the clinic...but I'm waiting to see if you're an Explorer.  I only could
chose between Warrior and Teacher as my secretor status is positive. (It's been done twice)


Posted by: Heidi, Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 11:59pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from focused


According to the book O+ secretor can be Gatherer,Hunter, Explorer (men only).


What chart do you see that on? I see non-secretor O+'s but not secretor O+'s. I must have missed it.

Posted by: 12 (Guest), Thursday, March 20, 2008, 1:29am; Reply: 41
Quoted from 815
..She wouldn't really say what she thought I was so here I am still in suspense for 2 more weeks...


Well, think about it this way.  You have been following Dr. D.'s work for so long.  Isn't it going to be an amazing experience to hear him speak those words to you personally?  Now how could I ruin that for you....    ;)

I just want to take this opportunity to tell you all what an absolute pleasure it was to meet each of you.  I look forward to sharing your experience with you when you meet the good doctor!   :)
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, March 20, 2008, 1:47am; Reply: 42
Quoted from 12


Well, think about it this way.  You have been following Dr. D.'s work for so long.  Isn't it going to be an amazing experience to hear him speak those words to you personally?  Now how could I ruin that for you....    ;)
  :)


I agree!!   ;D
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, March 20, 2008, 2:55pm; Reply: 43
Quoted from 12


Well, think about it this way.  You have been following Dr. D.'s work for so long.  Isn't it going to be an amazing experience to hear him speak those words to you personally?  Now how could I ruin that for you....    ;)

I just want to take this opportunity to tell you all what an absolute pleasure it was to meet each of you.  I look forward to sharing your experience with you when you meet the good doctor!   :)


Awwww gosh back..thanks  ;D   I knew what you were doing...
I am a pretty smart Warrior with a small head.  :) And if he says I'm an Explorer, I'll be floored.. I'm too tall to be a Teacher...my index fingers are too short... and I have the dreaded arch...LOL.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, March 20, 2008, 3:07pm; Reply: 44
Quoted from 12
I just want to take this opportunity to tell you all what an absolute pleasure it was to meet each of you.  I look forward to sharing your experience with you when you meet the good doctor!   :)

Dr. Colicci, I'm so impressed with each post of yours I read.  For example, do you realize that you just spent more time and expressed more caring for your patients in that one post I just quoted than a primary care doctor I went to for the initial "get to know you" appointment (as in, supposedly a LONGER appointment than usual) a few years ago did for me in the entire visit?  The entire appointment was about five minutes long, max, and mainly consisted of her asking something, then immediately interrupting and downright rudely dismissing me every time I attempted to respond.  She seemed shocked and quite irritated that I was actually attempting to give her information on my individual health history and that I had a collaborative 'tude and style.  She put the kibosh (sp.?) on that right away.  Nipped that in the old bud, she did!  It was like:  "Shut up, give me monosyllabic answers ONLY, do not embellish or say anything that I don't consider relevant (and you should know what those things are or are not by virtue of your ability to read minds), do NOT attempt to give me your individual history, it doesn't matter, I know everything I need to know by virtue of going to medical school and all human beings are EXACTLY the same with no unique medical history whatsoever, and do not answer me with what you think the answer is, answer me with what I think I need to know, and above ALL:  do NOT waste my time."  If you have ever seen the "Soup Nazi" episode of Seinfeld, she sort of had the Soup Nazi style of interacting with her patients!!!

Actually, I don't think she said as much as that sample sentence I gave, as that sentence would take way longer to utter than the total elapsed time of my initial (and ONLY) visit to her.  Contrast that with you, who not only takes ample time with your patients at the visit, including taking a detailed history and, very importantly, LISTENING to what the PATIENT thinks is important, but who also CARES so genuinely that you take your time to come onto an internet forum and tell your patients again just for good measure how much you care.

Color me mightily impressed.  (And jealous that I don't have a doctor like you--can you clone yourself and send the copy down to Florida?  Oh, wait, they don't recognize naturopaths down here, dang it.  *sigh*  Nevermind.)
Posted by: Heidi, Thursday, March 20, 2008, 3:26pm; Reply: 45
Quoted from 815


Heidi, I can't be a Nomad.  It's Blood type B and AB. No A's there.


I am pretty sure I didn't say you could be a Nomad ;D We A's have only three "choices", Warrior, Teacher and Explorer.

I'd still like someone to point out to me where in the advanced charts an Rh+ Secretor is listed as an Explorer. I've gone over every bloodtype several times and can't find one. But I am half blind, so maybe I need help  8)


Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, March 20, 2008, 4:36pm; Reply: 46
Quoted from Heidi
Mayflowers,
It says having 8 or more is common in Nomads.
Not sure it that helps much  :-/


Heidi, I was just saying, I couldn't be a Nomad because of what you posted..I was trying to be funny...my bad

The only time, I don't have the book with me, that I believe I saw an Rh+ be an Explorer was a male.  I think. If you were female, it would be Warrior.
Posted by: Heidi, Thursday, March 20, 2008, 5:37pm; Reply: 47
Np, Mayflowers  ;) I see now why you said that.

Rh+ yes, but not Rh+ and secretor. The Rh+ Explorers I see are non-secretors. You can be Rh+ and a nonnie, or Rh- and a secretor, but I still can't find an Explorer lisiting for someone that is both Rh+ and a secretor. Unless like I said I am just overlooking it. (My eyesight is not all that great thanks to the stroke I had -due to eclampsia- after my girls were born.)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, March 20, 2008, 6:21pm; Reply: 48
Sorry to hear about your sight.  I have an annoying floater that obstructs my vision at times.  One of the things that Warriors are supposed to have is high blood pressure. Mine's low. Usually textbook, 110/70 and sometimes 90/60. As a matter of fact I have all low risk factors for heart disease.

My mom and sister are the same way. My father however had high blood pressure all his life. I bet he was a true Warrior. He was 6'3" and his head was big. He ended up having a stroke. Can a Warrior be 5' 1"? My mom was an A+ also and had a bit of a short temper. A little Warrior?

I do believe you're right. I don't have the book with me at work. Maybe that's what I remember. Unless my first secretor test was in error. I wonder if that's ever happended? I do remember a member who was complaining that they did it twice and it was different each time a couple of years ago.
Posted by: Esmerelda, Friday, March 21, 2008, 5:41am; Reply: 49
That's fascinating! I've been pondering my partner's genotype for a while, as he has SO many of the explorer traits. But since the home test makes him an A+, it's very unlikely that he is. More likely a teacher.

It's pretty confusing though... He gets on great with animal protein, lean red meat etc, has markedly shovelled front teeth and no extra cusp. I really don't think wheat or spelt can be good for him though(he had a lifetime of digestive problems until i discovered the BTD and dropped wheat), so is his blood type even right  ??)?

Must persuade him to go and give blood, and then we can save up for a secretor test :P
Posted by: Lola, Friday, March 21, 2008, 6:04am; Reply: 50
good point!
first find out his bloodtype! ;)
Posted by: Esmerelda, Friday, March 21, 2008, 9:18am; Reply: 51
I bought two tests from the EU Blood Type store in preparation for exactly this situation. Now I just have to get him to agree to sit and down and have a sharp thing poked into his finger (again!). I think he's scared of finding out his blood type/genotype because he's going to have to rethink his diet... I don't think he's very comfortable with dietary changes! He's a cancer and very fond of his kitchen, cooking, and familiar things of the homestead.

It was so much simpler when we were convinced we were both Os. But then again, I'm so much healthier, I want to spread the good feeling  ;D
Posted by: Gumby, Friday, March 21, 2008, 2:46pm; Reply: 52
Quoted from 815


I'm too tall to be a Teacher...my index fingers are too short... and I have the dreaded arch...LOL.


just to add to your pondering...5'10" teacher here.  ;D  There are a number of us tall ones!  And it is possible to be one with shorter index fingers on both hands.  And if by arches you mean finger prints...I've got a couple of those too.  8)  So you never know! *lol*

You are lucky to be getting tested by the experts, so you will KNOW for sure!  Looking fwd to seeing how it turns out! :)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, March 21, 2008, 4:16pm; Reply: 53
Gumby! I was really starting to accept my Warriorness! Are you sure you measured right?  Your index fingers are longer?  I thought mine were too, but they measured differently at the clinic and my ring fingers are longer. I screwed up my measuring.

I also thought that arches were prevelant in Warriors only..hmmm. On page 45, I don't fit the Warrior description in the second paragraph.

I have long limbs and you can see my tendons at my wrists, I am also a Taster... (Teacher?)

AAAHHH! This is driving me nuts! :o
Posted by: Lola, Friday, March 21, 2008, 4:28pm; Reply: 54
I would take advantage of the free week you get at the GTD site and use the calculators there!
meal plans and so much more!

you might not even want to leave!
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, March 21, 2008, 6:26pm; Reply: 55
Thank you Lola.  I'll muse on it.  :)
Posted by: Gumby, Friday, March 21, 2008, 7:30pm; Reply: 56
Quoted from 815
Gumby! I was really starting to accept my Warriorness! Are you sure you measured right?  Your index fingers are longer?  I thought mine were too, but they measured differently at the clinic and my ring fingers are longer. I screwed up my measuring.

I also thought that arches were prevelant in Warriors only..hmmm. On page 45, I don't fit the Warrior description in the second paragraph.

I have long limbs and you can see my tendons at my wrists, I am also a Taster... (Teacher?)

AAAHHH! This is driving me nuts! :o


*lol*  In the advanced calculator, if your torso and upper leg are longer, and you are an A+sec, then your finger lengths don't matter...no matter what they are, you can only be a teacher.  And if your torso and lower leg are longer, and your ring fingers are both longer or one of each...also a teacher. So...you could be one of us after all!   ;D  On charts 3 and 4, if both your rings are longer, you are a Warrior.  Both diets look pretty good to me. :)

And if I were you, I would wait until you get your results before using your free week on the gtd site.  That way you can focus on the info that you know you will need.  I figure Drs C and D are better than the gtd online calculator at typing you. ;)

You have gotten me very curious as to how you are going to 'turn out'!  When is your next appt again????? 8)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, March 21, 2008, 7:41pm; Reply: 57
I do love cheese  ;D. I find it hard to keep from eating it...I just refuse to eat a goat. They are too cute, with those little floppy ears...and that cute little face... :D  Aren't Teachers supposed to have a big head or a broad head? Do you have a large-ish head? I have head issues..LOL

Dr. C. didn't mention if my torso was longer, only that my upper thigh was longer..I'm still confused. Mostly because I screwed up my measurements. It's so much nicer having an expert measure you. Takes the stress out of it.

I was planning on waiting until I got diagnosed for sure before I used the Genotype website.  I go on April 3rd! I hope I can have the new print out he prototyped on his blog.
Posted by: Chloe, Friday, March 21, 2008, 8:34pm; Reply: 58
Mayflowers, I'm starting to doubt my own measurements now because I too am a taster and
Warriors aren't supposed to be tasters are they.  And I CAN see my tendons on my wrists, but they aren't bulging.  And I'm confused about the term "see" my tendons, because they aren't poking up very much....just obvious to me that I have wrist tendons.  I think Teachers have a broad forehead?
My forehead is not narrow...but to call it broad?  Not sure if I can determine that for sure.  I
think my head is long...which is a sign of the Warrior.

It's my leg measurements that appear almost equal...

YIKES.. I hope I haven't spent 3 months on the wrong diet.  Why is it so difficult to type some of us?

Personality-wise, I'm not like a teacher at all. I'm NOT generally a calm person. (unless there
are no people around me)  LOL!

I would have a huge problem on the Teacher diet if I were having to eat cheese.  Dairy allergies.  But I'd certainly love to make myself eat cheese than so many beans and so much fish. I LOVE cheese too.  It doesn't love me!
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, March 21, 2008, 10:34pm; Reply: 59
Quoted from Chloe
Mayflowers, I'm starting to doubt my own measurements now because I too am a taster and
Warriors aren't supposed to be tasters are they.  And I CAN see my tendons on my wrists, but they aren't bulging.  And I'm confused about the term "see" my tendons, because they aren't poking up very much....just obvious to me that I have wrist tendons.  I think Teachers have a broad forehead?
My forehead is not narrow...but to call it broad?  Not sure if I can determine that for sure.  I
think my head is long...which is a sign of the Warrior.

It's my leg measurements that appear almost equal...

YIKES.. I hope I haven't spent 3 months on the wrong diet.  Why is it so difficult to type some of us?

Personality-wise, I'm not like a teacher at all. I'm NOT generally a calm person. (unless there
are no people around me)  LOL!

I would have a huge problem on the Teacher diet if I were having to eat cheese.  Dairy allergies.  But I'd certainly love to make myself eat cheese than so many beans and so much fish. I LOVE cheese too.  It doesn't love me!


Hey Chole,
Do you live far from the clinic? Might be worth it to go. I can see my tendons on my wrist and if I bend my wrist a certain way, they pop up more. Does yours? I also have a long head, but it's small and I have a high forehead. Does that count as a broad forehead?  I tested dairy intolerant,(but my question is, is the intolerance caused by not eating the correct BTD/GTD foods, and having a general imbalance?)  My favorite is jarslberg which happens to be on the super list. (sigh)

I measured the same as you did, the legs were the same leg top and bottom. Dr. C. measured the top longer!  :o

Hey don't feel bad, I've been switching back and forth from the Warrior to the Teacher diet. I can't tell which one is better..I told Dr. C that too.

One thing that really bothers me is that we can't have vinegar. I'm allergic to oranges and lemons so I can't use them as a replacement. Grapefruit juice is horrible. I can't get past the bitter to get to the sour. Makes lousy dressing. My last hope is a pineapple juice concoction if I can put one together. Any suggestions would help.
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, March 22, 2008, 12:10am; Reply: 60
Mayflowers, are you a calm person?  And is your immune system tolerant?  This is where I
am NOT a Teacher. Now, how about that space between your legs?   Do you have a wide
gap in the upper part of your leg?  I don't.  My upper legs touch. The fact that Warriors should tolerate chocolate and coffee and I don't is just one of my issues, but the fact that I would need to tolerate cheese or eggs is another major problem.  As for thinking you wouldn't be dairy
intolerant if you ate the correct BTD/GTD foods,  maybe for you it's a possibility....From my experience, it hasn't been the case.  Three months on the Warrior diet and eating dairy as many times as I could tolerate trying it, each and every time, I reacted.  A delayed reaction for dairy...withdrawal headaches the day after not eating it. (after eating it)  

Today I tried eggs...I barely cooked them on a low flame...It took me less than 4 hours to develop the worst headache I can possibly describe....muscle tightness....blurry vision...and this awful itching and burning in my eyes.  By the end of the day, my nose was completely stuffed. I can't eat eggs~

As for oranges and lemons, I'm not allergic to either but I don't like sour flavors.  Grapefruit
is often too sour unless it's red.

I have a high forehead too, but I don't think that counts as broad.  Broad, I think means wide
across compared to  the length.  My head is long and not small.

I'm a prop taster and Warriors generally aren't.  If there was a major exception to the
Explorer type, I think that's where I'd belong.  My immune system is NOT tolerant.  Yet
in the Warrior column, I tend to have problems detoxing environmental chemicals.

I live about an hour from the clinic.  I'm still waiting to hear your results before I decide
to go further with the genotype diet at all.  If I could chose any of the 6 genotypes to be
I still think the type A diet suited me better.  
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Saturday, March 22, 2008, 2:33am; Reply: 61
Hi Chloe,
  I think I'm a calm person. I don't understand the meaning of a tolerant immune system? I think I'm pretty healthy, but I take vitamins.
I don't have a large opening in my upper thighs. They touch also.
I thought that if one goes to the clinic, they get a diet more individualized to them instead of the generalized one in the book.
I'm not big on sour or salty flavors either. I have a sweet tooth.
I guess every one is different. We all have our own intlerances.

You can always go back to the blood type diet and see if you feel  any better..

I guess I'll find out soon. Dr. D. probably already looked at my chart and decided..suspense.. 8)
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, March 22, 2008, 2:45am; Reply: 62
Quoted Text
I thought that if one goes to the clinic, they get a diet more individualized to them instead of the generalized one in the book.

true, it s the GTD SWAMI
http://www.dadamo.com/wordpress/?p=111
Posted by: Gumby, Saturday, March 22, 2008, 3:41am; Reply: 63
Quoted from 815
I don't understand the meaning of a tolerant immune system? I think I'm pretty healthy, but I take vitamins.


In GTD terms, it means that teacher immune systems are too nice to germs *lol*.  They are more prone to catching this or that because the immune system lets in all sorts of germs...difficulty identifying good from bad and slow to activate.  It is really well explained in the book.

Dairy allergy...me too!  I have yet to try any of the super cheeses, except the sheep ones.  Those seem to be ok.  Cow dairy, forget it.  But, I hope that as my gut gets the hang of things, it might improve. ;D  My ND seems to think it will, given enough time and care.  So there is hope! 8)
Posted by: Gumby, Saturday, March 22, 2008, 3:47am; Reply: 64
Oh and forgot to add...and you probably know this already...but none of the strength testing features include or exclude you from a genotype.  There is a wide range within a GT, so not everything will match.  As for the head thing...I think the common trait for teachers is square jaw and face.  I am neither of those...I have a giant and long head LOL!  Well ok giant might be pushing it...but it is bigger than most people's.  And definitely long.  I look like a tall mushroom in a bike helmet. ;D
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, March 22, 2008, 1:28pm; Reply: 65
Quoted from Gumby
Oh and forgot to add...and you probably know this already...but none of the strength testing features include or exclude you from a genotype.  There is a wide range within a GT, so not everything will match.  As for the head thing...I think the common trait for teachers is square jaw and face.  I am neither of those...I have a giant and long head LOL!  Well ok giant might be pushing it...but it is bigger than most people's.  And definitely long.  I look like a tall mushroom in a bike helmet. ;D


Then what are the strength tests that made you know for sure you were a teacher?

My ring fingers measure the same on both hands...longer than index.  My legs measure just about the same length (top half and bottom half)  My head is long and jaw
isn't square.  I'm a taster. I seem to strength test mostly Warrior but also some Teacher,
yet I'm not calm at all and allergic and chemically sensitive.  I feel less chemically sensitive on the Warrior diet but just as allergic to eggs. Dairy gives me withdrawal headaches.

I was almost positive I was a Warrior until I see how many people  seem to overlap other genotypes.

Posted by: Gumby, Saturday, March 22, 2008, 2:32pm; Reply: 66
According to the book, it is your torso/leg, upper leg/lower leg, ring/index finger ratios, and your blood type, rh factor, and secretor status that are the determining factors.  The other calculators and strength tests are there for people typing at home who might not know their blood info.  Of course they may have some other things they look at at the clinic, when it is an 'in person' typing...so it will be interesting to see how Diana comes out! ;D

It was not too hard for me because my measurements were pretty clear, and I know my bt info.  

I went through and did every strength test, just for fun.  :) I scored lowest on teacher lol even though that is what I am.  Good thing I had my measurements to rely on.  The strength test for teacher was mostly physical questions.  I am very much teacher like in the psycological, biochemical, and personality stuff.  I think I do have some of the physical characteristics too...just not ones that gave points in the strength test lol!
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Saturday, March 22, 2008, 2:33pm; Reply: 67
Chloe, that might be the tipoff. "you feel less chemically sensitive on the Warrior diet" so maybe it's the right diet?  Have you tried the Teacher diet?

Thanks Gumby on the Teacher immune system. It's hard because I take a lot of vitamins..I probably would have caught people's colds in my office if I didn't know about elderberry tea. So I haven't had a cold in a couple of years. I didn't ever get the actual flu...I thought it was an "A" thing because flu's are mostly "B" strain..

I think I'm a Warrior. (with a small head) LOL I don't have a square face. It's rather narrow.
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, March 22, 2008, 3:28pm; Reply: 68
Quoted from 815
Chloe, that might be the tipoff. "you feel less chemically sensitive on the Warrior diet" so maybe it's the right diet?  Have you tried the Teacher diet?

Thanks Gumby on the Teacher immune system. It's hard because I take a lot of vitamins..I probably would have caught people's colds in my office if I didn't know about elderberry tea. So I haven't had a cold in a couple of years. I didn't ever get the actual flu...I thought it was an "A" thing because flu's are mostly "B" strain..

I think I'm a Warrior. (with a small head) LOL I don't have a square face. It's rather narrow.


I am about 75% sure I'm a Warrior...My face is narrow too..

The reason I didn't try the Teacher diet is that it has more dairy than the Warrior diet which would give me more choices of foods I don't tolerate.  The Warrior diet was described as a Mediterranean type diet which was the most similar to the type A diet and does feel right
about 2/3 of the time. I get unbalanced pretty easily when I do what Spring tried to do..
eat too many meals that are just plant based and try to use beans as protein.  I am truly
better off if fish is my protein and I add lentils or some other legume as a side dish.

Teachers get eggs as diamond foods and eggs are my single worst allergic food.  I had
a meltdown yesterday after eating two eggs and thought my head would explode from pain.
This morning, gunk was gushing out of my eyes and nose.  Finally, it's dissipating.  No more
eggs for me.

The Warrior diet is more do-able for me than the Teacher diet would be.  We are coming
up to the three month point.  I'm not ready to add back any black dot foods.  I might have
to go the full six months before I can accurately evaluate this diet. It's not all wrong..but it
doesn't feel 100% right either.

I'm leaving for Florida on Tuesday for 10 days. Should be interesting being on vacation, away
from home, away from the comfort of my kitchen, the health food store, organic food choices
and the routine I've followed for 11 weeks.  I will just have to do the best I can.  Taking a
mini blender with me...some rice protein powder, powdered green drinks, nuts, dried acai
berries, dried apricots, peaches and will have to fill in the best I can.  Wish me luck. I feel
like I'm going on the TV show "Survivor"...


Posted by: 815 (Guest), Saturday, March 22, 2008, 3:49pm; Reply: 69
Wow Chloe, you really do have an egg allergy.  I only seem to be bothered if I buy the cheap grocery store eggs. I buy Egglands or the cage free (preferred).  This morning I made berry pancakes with soy flour and 1 T oat bran with Splenda..uuuuhhhg  :P I feel queasy from the Splenda..I ran out of stevia. Not that I feel great eating stevia but it's better on my system than Splenda. I don't know, I was listed as soy, egg and dairy intolerant by Enterolab. I don't notice any affect from soy and eggs and maybe some stuffiness from dairy.

Wow, nice. Florida. My father was raised in West Palm Beach. I'm planning on going when they open Hogwarts next year!! I'm a Harry Potter fan.  

Have fun. You should be ok if you stick to salads and fish right? You might have to bring your own dressing.  Me, I'd be cheating..(only a little  ;D)  Next week I'll be having a senior moment and wonder why you're not posting LOL
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Saturday, March 22, 2008, 10:00pm; Reply: 70
When in doubt about your GT, make a list of foods common to both diets & focus on those.
Remember that we all have allergies/insensitivities that may be on our list. Dairy is on all the GT lists in some form, but I still don't want to try it!

Since you know your blood type & rH factor, you should be able to get the right GT, unless the secretor status makes a difference. In many cases, it doesn't.

FYI, as I have written before, I proved to be a gatherer by a small margin, but have more strength tests for the other O GTs.

Sea Salt & Light,
Mrs "T"    O+   :)  
Posted by: Esmerelda, Sunday, March 23, 2008, 3:23pm; Reply: 71
I'm in a similar position to Mrs T O+. I'm definitely a Gatherer - once I'd worked out that my index fingers were longer, I didn't even need my secretor status! I'm very much a Gatherer personnality-wise, with steep ups and downs, a terrible sweet-tooth (read: full-blown additcion to sugar), and the ability to concentrate for a long time. I really recognised myself in the 'early adopter of new ideas' bit, as well.

Physically though, I'm mixed and matched. I scored pretty high on three of the genotype strength testers. I don't put on weight easily and have no trouble dropping pounds with exercise, I tend to have problems with inflamation, I develop and maintain muscle very easily. I can clearly see my wrist tendons. My arms and top half are small-boned and skinny, whereas I've always been quite padded below the belt. It's only after following the Gatherer diet that I'm the same dress size all over - what a nice surprise!

I'm so, so glad that Dr D included the bit about Gatherers being 'naturally padded'. It's been the deciding factor in my finally accepting my strengths and playing to them rather than trying to force myself to be something alien to my nature, and just generally being more accepting to myself (and others, by extension!).
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Sunday, March 23, 2008, 5:51pm; Reply: 72
You go Esmerelda. It's nice to be sure of your Genotype. I thought I was sure...till I found out I screwed up my measuring so..we'll see.

When I was 20, I didn't have trouble maintaining my weight either LOL


I thought the wrist tendon thing was a Teacher attribute? Hmmm.  I was trying the Explorer diet this week. Only lost 1 pound. This next week I'm going back to Warrior and see if I lose more weight.
Posted by: Esmerelda, Tuesday, March 25, 2008, 7:40pm; Reply: 73
Seeing as my mother and I have pretty much identical body types, I'm making assumptions as to what my physical future holds. She hasn't really taken much time to take care of herself in these last few years due to overwhelming amounts of stress, and has passed on the 'in case of stress, reach for sugar' trait to me. Obviously, it's harder for her to lose weight, and I expect it'll be the same for me as I age.

But we do both drop weight fairly easily, both with diet and exercise changes. It's the keeping it off afterwards that's hard! Especially as my father is a fantastic cook, who loves to make cake...

The tendon thing is interesting. My thumb and middle finger also overlap substantially when I circle my wrist, yet I'm most definitely not an ectomorph! Perhaps it's a borrowed trait from my A father. Is that even possible? I mean, I've inherited physical traits from him, even if we're different blood types. Would that maybe influence one's genotype? As in, if my O parent has meat eating ancestors, and my A parent has grain eating ancestors (gross simplification, I know), does that make me more likely to be a meat and grain friendly genotype, such as Gatherer?

This makes for fascinating (but uneducated) pondering...
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, March 25, 2008, 7:56pm; Reply: 74
I love cake... :'( can't have it...I can say no to ice cream but I love cake...especially Italian pastries..(canolli)and the ones drenched in rum syrup...my favorite cookies are pignolia nut cookies.

I am an A my son is an O and his father is a B. I'd like to know where the O came from.  I thought both my parents were A's.

Hey, I'm part Scottish too! Wonder what that blood is?
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, March 25, 2008, 8:31pm; Reply: 75
probably all were As but one of them passed a recessive O gene to you and also to your B hub......two Os make an O :)
Posted by: Heidi, Tuesday, March 25, 2008, 9:32pm; Reply: 76
Quoted from 815


I am an A my son is an O and his father is a B. I'd like to know where the O came from.  I thought both my parents were A's.



I don't have the link to post but remember seeing a chart someone had posted a while back with parent/child bloodtypes. The A/B parent combo can produce any of the four bloodtypes according to that chart. If I remember correctly it was the only combo that could end up with children of any bloodtype.


Posted by: Mrs T O+, Tuesday, March 25, 2008, 9:50pm; Reply: 77
Both of you have recessive O traits.
I think that is the coolest combination of parents.
I once worked with someone whose parents were A & B  and she had an O sibling.

My husband & I have the 2nd coolest combiantion - O & AB, & we have a kid of each other type(1 A & 1 B).

Cheers,
Mrs "T"  
Posted by: 260 (Guest), Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 10:40pm; Reply: 78
I went for my second appt today and finally met Dr. D...and he's soo nice and very down to earth...and Dr. C explained the SWAMI individualized diet to me...which I'm very very excited about...so hopefully in about 6 weeks I should be feeling really good so I'm very optomistic  :)
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 10:50pm; Reply: 79
you are so lucky yo have had that opportunity!
glad you took advantage of it!
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 10:51pm; Reply: 80
Sooo, what is your genotype mm?

Myself and my son's father would both have to have a recessive O?
Posted by: 260 (Guest), Thursday, March 27, 2008, 2:05am; Reply: 81
yes, I am very very blessed I had the opportunity to go to the clinic...I've thanked God about a million times  :) and I am def a nomad lol... Dr. D. laughed at me thinking I was a gatherer  ;D hehe
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