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Posted by: Squirrel, Sunday, March 16, 2008, 5:20am
Hubbie takes me out at weekends to "get me out of the kitchen" and "give me a break from cooking". This is very sweet of him, but I find that I get so stressed out getting even semi-compliant food served that it would be easier just to do it myself. That's before I even take into account whether it tastes nice.

Last night we went to the newly opened Blood Type Restaurant with high hopes, only to find that they didn't "do" non-secretors. We had to wring out of them with a mangle what they put in the food, and even after knowing that we were both non-secretors, they proudly served us kamut bread made with sugar. There were no desserts suitable. It was harder work than going to our local steak-house and asking for no potato and only olive oil dressings.

How do you folks manage eating out? Just pop the Deflect and hope?

(ETA: P.S. I'm not knocking the restaurant. I think it's a superb idea, very brave of them to try it, and great that they're "spreading the word". Apparently it's very popular at lunchtimes which I'm very pleased about. I'm just disappointed that they run secretor testing but don't cater for the minority.)
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, March 16, 2008, 6:23am; Reply: 1
have they got a link by any chance?
Posted by: Squirrel, Sunday, March 16, 2008, 9:59am; Reply: 2
I can't find a website dedicated to the restaurant, but it's associated with the Blood Type Store:
http://www.mybloodtypestore.com/

Here's a review of the restaurant:
http://www.asiaone.com/Wine%252CDine%2B%2526%2BUnwind/Reviews/Story/A1Story20080121-45944.html
It's a lovely place.
Posted by: LarryC., Sunday, March 16, 2008, 10:14am; Reply: 3
Hi.

We don't eat out much for the reason nobody understands how the foods will hurt you, so when we do go out we try to eat at Ruby Tuesday's, they have a bison burger, and me being a O secretor and my wife A nonnie, I order the bison burger and tell them hold the bun, sauce, and fries, bring steamed broccli with out the sauce, and the wife gettes the turkey burges the same way.

But we have found we would rather just fix our good food at home.

We are wanting to start a blood type Restruant here we have a building and a person to set up and start it we just need the money to gett the building ready and the Equitment.
Posted by: yvonneb, Sunday, March 16, 2008, 11:43am; Reply: 4
I voted 'Choose most compliant without making fuss' as the closest option.

We eat out often- we are both self employed and on the road a lot, so the best that is possible is the above and then leave on your plate what is the worst for you to eat. Take bread coating off fish/ scrape sauce off as much as possible etc.

Most restaurants can accommodate a change around of foods within the menu i.e. get the steak from the 'steak sandwich' with the rice from the 'chicken curry' and a side salad without the sauce, banana from the 'banana boat' with chopped nuts& seeds you sneak out of your handbag/ jacket pocket. Or get the 'boat' and feed the ice cream to somebody else on the table!
It's a little pricier- but at least one can stay somewhat compliant without going hungry!

I found out the hard way that if one makes too much of a fuss when in company eating out, you just end up with discussions about the diet that very easily turn into fights or awkward situations. Better to keep it low key unless a person is really interested. One can explain one on one after dinner. While ordering it's great to just say: I don't like breadcrumbs on my food/ I feel like eating rice tonight or something along those lines, rather than I can't/ am not allowed to eat xyz.

Unless one as acute symptoms, I think it's OK to cheat every now and so often and then make up by being xtra good the next couple of days to make up if necessary : )
The diet should not feel like a straight jacket.
I ate totally wrong for so many years, that a little bit of an avoid every now and then should be acceptable to my body now.

Simple calculation:
One eats appx 4 meals/day multiply by three different things on your plate at every meal = 12 different foods a day, multiply by 7 days= 84 food choices per week. So if you go out to a restaurant and you eat say two things not compliant then you are still 97% compliant- sounds pretty good to me!

Take heart and try not to be too hard on yourself- enjoy your dinner :P
Posted by: SheriBerry, Sunday, March 16, 2008, 12:04pm; Reply: 5
I've not been having luck the last two weekends I've been out.
Last weekend I was in San Francisco, and I talked to the restaurant around noon for a reservation that night.  I thought we were  very clear...  what I got was  just a very small amount of food that was artfully arranged, but not nearly enough to "feed" me....    I wasn't going to say a thing, but  then I saw a large plate of salad going to another table.. I asked the manager, who happened to just be at our table....  I asked why I couldn't have had that.. and he just blinked.. also I asked for no potatoes on mine, and it was a lot of potatoes.. I  spoke up, and they  didn't charge me for dinner.. but it wasn't a good experience..

SOOO..last night we were in town, and I called our favorite restaurant ahead of time and told them exactly what I wanted.. I specifically asked for a LARGE plate  of food.. but I still got the very  minute plate of very artfully placed stuff.... Guys, I need FOOD when I go out..  I   usually eat lightly  before going out for a nice dinner, and they just aren't giving me enough food!!! so I emailed them and politely told them  what was wrong..
so  next weekend, we have picked another restaurant in town... I have talked to them about what I want, but I guess I am going to have to spell out how many  ounces of this or that I want...  I don't see how else to get what I want... the good news is that all   the restaurants at least seem to WANT to  please me......  wish  me luck!
Posted by: Becky, Sunday, March 16, 2008, 2:31pm; Reply: 6
I have found for a "fast food"  Baja Fresh does a good job of making me a steak salad, although I do have to beg for lettuce.  They make anything in a bowl if you ask.

In a restaurant, I usually just have steak and salad.

If it is a special occassion.........I eat whatever I want, and pay for it for a week.
Posted by: lakes-lady68, Sunday, March 16, 2008, 3:50pm; Reply: 7
I order the most compliant thing I can find, but I don't worry if I have to compromise.  Eating out is a treat, and I'm grateful just to not be cooking lol  ;D
Posted by: jayneeo, Sunday, March 16, 2008, 3:52pm; Reply: 8
oh, man, yesterday was a challenge....eight ladies on a limo wine tour!!!! There was the wine, of course....which I tasted sparingly, and then there were crackers (wheat), wonderful (but noncompliant) breads and cheeses all through the day (I ate some) but dinner was a surprise. I was able to order guatamalan chicken with black beans and succotash (corn and lima beans with other veggies) and tomato bisque. Not too bad! (but the snacks in the day were bad news) I did not overdo on the wine, I am glad to say.
Posted by: Andrew, Sunday, March 16, 2008, 4:35pm; Reply: 9
I gave up on eating out years ago - just too much of a hassle. Occasionally I will use the take out for the rest of the family but even that is getting difficult.
On the rare time that work sends me to another office then I have no recourse but to eat out. Naturally there are all sorts of avoids hidden in the food. But I do hate the brain fog and the extreme lack of energy. That means 5 days of waiting for it to clear the system. Just not worth the effort.

Hugs
Andrew
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, March 16, 2008, 5:10pm; Reply: 10
jayneeo,
that shows a lot of character!
good job!
that limo ride sounds extravagant!
Posted by: meribelle, Sunday, March 16, 2008, 5:41pm; Reply: 11
Sometimes I have to eat out at work when bringing my lunch would just be impossible.  I find it very expensive to eat right.  I also feel like I am making a scene.  The last time I ate out I ended up getting a hamburger at a Mexican Restaurant!!!  It was still cheaper than fajita salad.  Of course, I did not eat the bun.  Just let me eat at home,please!
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, March 16, 2008, 6:48pm; Reply: 12
I've said it before:  I think that secretors can handle avoids more easily than non-secretors.  I personally can suffer for many days after eating even small amounts of certain avoids, such as sugar, wheat, coconut milk, chicken, tofu, etc.  A bit of avoid seasonings is not a huge deal for me.  
I eat out rarely because of my sensitivity, and when I do, I go to one of the better quality restaurants that offer fresh produce, lamb options, or at least, steak without mysterious sauces.  I also choose restaurants that offer a good fish selection, since shellfish does not work for me.
I didn't vote since there isn't a choice that is the one I follow.  I will order the most compliant things on the menu and ask that certain things be left off.
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Sunday, March 16, 2008, 7:12pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Victoria
A bit of avoid seasonings is not a huge deal for me.  
I eat out rarely because of my sensitivity, and when I do, I go to one of the better quality restaurants that offer fresh produce, lamb options, or at least, steak without mysterious sauces.  I also choose restaurants that offer a good fish selection, since shellfish does not work for me.
I didn't vote since there isn't a choice that is the one I follow.  I will order the most compliant things on the menu and ask that certain things be left off.


Of course, I can't go off my diet and eat beef or many other things. Period. But seasonings seem to be the worst thing I run into when I eat out because all kinds of them can be hiding in food.  :-/  Boy, do I ever suffer from seasonings..... I have found that I can really enjoy Texas Longhorn's salmon and tolerate it very handily. But I can't think of another restaurant at this moment whose choices make me want to eat there very often. One thing that has come as a pleasant surprise to me  as I have gotten older is that I can thoroughly enjoy a salad without any seasoning or dressing at all. That alone stands me in good stead when I eat out. A ton of salad with some beans works pretty well at some places. Maybe before too long some restaurants will find out that turkey is pretty universal and will serve more of it.

I, also, order the most compliant foods I can find and ask that certain things be left off. Salads so often have tomatoes and cheese - both no-go's for me.

BTW, the more I read what you nonnies have to say, the more I think I may be one. I MUST get that kit off!
Posted by: 260 (Guest), Sunday, March 16, 2008, 7:47pm; Reply: 14
personally I would much rather just eat at home where I can control what ingredients go into my food...but I do eat out to be social when friends are going out or to appease the family...but no matter how hard I try and how specific my instructions are when I order, a majority of the time avoids sneak into my food (which I think must be the preservatives) and I pay for it...not worth it anymore...I'd rather feel and be healthy :)
Posted by: focused, Sunday, March 16, 2008, 7:56pm; Reply: 15
Although I'd much rather eat at home, at times it is just not possible, or even practical. Since being a Nomad I have a relatively easy time finding complinant (mostly neutral) foods to eat out. Last week my daughter wanted me to meet her and the grandchildren at Cracker Barrel. I ordered the gilled catfish and two veggie sides. Quite tasty I must say  8)
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, March 16, 2008, 8:00pm; Reply: 16
I'm pretty relieved to be a Nomad, especially since it is so similiar to the B nonnie diet.  The changes that I have needed to make have not been painful at all.

I'm also very realistic about where my health foods are going to be found:  my own kitchen.  My social life has suffered a bit since I don't eat out much any more, but the pain and suffering that I am being spared makes the choice a no-brainer.   ;)
Posted by: Melissa_J, Sunday, March 16, 2008, 8:13pm; Reply: 17
My choice would be something like: find the restaurants with gluten free foods that are honest about their ingredients, and order carefully, eating at the same 2 or 3 restaurants all the time, eating the same 4 or 5 meals.

I can only make a fuss about gluten, beyond that I just try to order the simplest most compliant thing on the menu.

I tend to stick to Thai and Indian food, because they'll tell me what's in it (they're proud of what's in it, rather than hiding the ingredients like some american restaurants do).  There are only a few things I can eat at either place, but if I eat out less than once a week then I don't get bored.  As a gatherer, now I order a salad at the thai restaurant, Beef Laab, I believe it is called...mainly just beef, onions, cilantro, lemon juice, ground chilis.  At indian restaurants, lamb curry is the best bet, though they have a few other dishes, and they also have a dosa flatbread, stuffed with ground lamb and peas, but the lentils in it are black dots for gatherers.

I've been thinking of trying Baja Fresh...they're the one that's kind of like Cafe Rio?  (I loved that place, but they use wheat in a lot of the seasonings so I gave up on it.)

I've given up most Italian food, since just about everything I'm allergic to or intolerant of is in Italian food.  My husband loves it though, so I do occasionally go to Carrabba's, they have a GF menu, though I miss chicken when I go there since they do a good job with chicken dishes.  It's beef or salmon for me there now, but maybe chicken would be a better choice than farmed salmon.  Their veggies are good, broccoli or they usually also have zucchini.  

My husband isn't big on steak houses, so I haven't tried many of those.  Outback tainted me with a little gluten too many times, and I don't really like their steaks that much.  Most steakhouses don't live up to my expectations.

I prefer to make a small meal beforehand, then just go out for juice smoothies or something.  I have trouble even finding juice or smoothies I can have, especially with my citric acid troubles.
Posted by: Crimson, Sunday, March 16, 2008, 9:00pm; Reply: 18
This would be the area that I'm blessed to live in small town WV. Locally owned restaurants where you know or are acquainted with most if not all of the employees. I can always get something completely compliant. I only eat out about once or twice a month...today being one of the days. *oddly enough* The restaurant buys its meat and produce at the same local market that I do. I know the meat has no antibiotics or preservatives, the produce is fresh and in season. It is WONDERFUL!
Posted by: SquarePeg, Sunday, March 16, 2008, 11:45pm; Reply: 19
I chose "order what seems the most compliant without making a fuss" but actually I do make a tiny fuss.  I might order Caesar salad and ask them to leave off the croutons and put the dressing on the side, for example.  Some places can't even do that because their salads are pre-mixed, actually, so then I might order a burger and ask for a salad or vegetable substitute for fries.  Then I'll just not eat the bun.

BTW, the local Cracker Barrel offers a choice of grilled steak with its Caesar salad!
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, March 17, 2008, 2:35pm; Reply: 20
I try not to eat out and to go the homemade route whenever humanly possible.  Failing that:

1.  I try to eat compliantly (usually...except when I don't try *lol*, but the latter times are RARE).

2.  I have learned not to fear asking if they can substitute x for y, etc.  Most restaurants are eager to accommodate customers if possible.  Back on the BTD, I would try to substitute broccoli florets for pasta, for example.  Now (I'm on GTD), I would instead try to substitute green beans or sauteed onions or mushrooms--whatever compliant (and ideally superfood) veggies they had.

3.  It depends on the situation, too.  Like I said, when possible, and when I want to (which is almost always), I try like the dickens to somehow, some kinda way, be as compliant as possible when eating out.  But sometimes, in some situations, either you can't really do that or you don't choose to do that, and that is okay, too, unless for health reasons such as celiac disease you really CAN'T EVER have a certain thing, such as gluten.

For the most part, I try to eat IN/at home, so that I can control what goes into the food.  But sometimes, in the course of living life, you find yourself in a restaurant.  Sometimes you can do pretty well in a restaurant; sometimes, the restaurant is HORRID and there is basically NOTHING compliant.  I have been known, during times when I've wanted to remain highly compliant, yet have found myself in a HORRID restaurant (usually when my sister is visiting, as all they ever do is drag me to HORRID restaurants that I would never normally set foot in), to not order anything.  I'll just get iced tea or water with lemon, or sometimes NOTHING.

Because one thing I've learned in the course of BTDing is to never let ANYONE or any situation pressure me into eating something I REALLY don't want to eat at that time.  I mean, I shouldn't say "never", because, as the saying goes, never say never.  Sometimes in some situations, not hurting someone's feelings might just take precedence over my health, but not usually.  So if I REALLY want to be compliant and I'm faced with REALLY dangerous choices for me, I can "just say no".  Especially if the choices involve wheat, I will do this routinely.  Pretty much ditto for corn syrup.  Everything else is negotiable *lol*!

This weekend, Carol (Harmonykitty) from the board and I went out to a Greek restaurant that she loves.  We did the best we could (both simultaneously yanking out this yummy, homemade-looking pita bread from under our lamb *lol*) to be compliant, yet we weren't fanatical about it.  There was sugar in the homemade Greek salad dressing (not corn syrup, because, God bless Carol, she had read the label on a previous trip to this restaurant, as they sell their dressing in the little store up front), for example, and we both had the dressing on our salad.  We ended up having a wonderful meal that was totally compliant, except for the sugar and no doubt some other things in the dressing.  The meal had lamb (omg, the best lamb), beef, salad and iced tea, basically.  ...Oh yeah, there was also a TINY dab of potato salad on top of the salad, I mean, like two bites.  I asked Carol what the deal was with it and she said "I usually eat it."  Good enough for me, I said, and commenced partaking!  Oh--and there was this tziki (sp.?) yogurt dip, too, for the meats.  Forgot about that.  I kinda sorta had some of that, too!

Hey, sometimes you have to carpe diem, baby!
Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Monday, March 17, 2008, 4:36pm; Reply: 21
Tziki is mostly yogurt, garlic, and mint if I recall right.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, March 17, 2008, 5:29pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from gulfcoastguy
Tziki is mostly yogurt, garlic, and mint if I recall right.

Yessir.  And mighty tasty it was.  As a G2, I am not supposed to have yogurt.  sssshhhhh...Don't tell Dr. D.



Posted by: BuzyBee, Monday, March 17, 2008, 5:36pm; Reply: 23
We traveled over the weekend and ate out each meal. I returned home tired and feeling yucky. If it were fast food while driving I always order grilled chicken sandwiche. The company we visited had a buffet on Friday night and Saturaday lunch. There was fresh fruit and chicken wings otherwish it was mostly bbq, steak, f.chicken, baked potatoe, all kinds of desserts. I ate but knew the whole time I new I was damaging my body. After each bite I was downing pills for my lactose, and acidopholus, bromalin, and papaya for my digestion.

I feel so bloated and fat today it is ridiculous. Anyway, I am on the recovery this week to detox these toxins out of my body.


Eating out is soooooo hard. But you just have to sometimes.
Posted by: BuzyBee, Monday, March 17, 2008, 6:34pm; Reply: 24
Has anyone had Moe's Southwest grill? THey have some vegan entre's which is rare these days. There meats are chicken, steak, and tofu. Lot's of veggies. It might be a substitute for someone eating fast food.

More vegatarian entre's than the ordinary fast foods. Just thought I would throw that out there.
Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Monday, March 17, 2008, 7:11pm; Reply: 25
When I went to Whole Foods at New Orleans saturday I ate off of their hot food bar. It is real hard to find complient proteins but the selection of beneficial vegetables is out of this world. It was safer than trying a resteraunt, even got a bottle of mineral water to wash it down. I noticed that I was far from the only one to do so.  Beneficial alert! That WF has started making turkey sausage with apples and cranberries, even the spices are complient. The only iffy thing is the sausage skin made out of pork but I figure I can allways cut that off before or after cooking.
Posted by: Melissa_J, Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 3:04am; Reply: 26
Oh boy, I thought I was being careful tonight, on our date night my husband really wanted sushi, instead of our usual places.  I really try to avoid Japanese restaurants in the US because there are always always mistakes (In Japan they're great though).

So I ordered super carefully.  We started out with edamame (which apparently is a neutral for gatherers, and sat well with me).  Then I ordered steamed vegetables with rice, and no dipping sauce...so boring and safe.   So far so good, a few gatherer black dots thrown in the mix, the steamed sliced sweet potatoes were lovely.  Then, almost done when I think a noodle on the bottom is an onion and put it in my mouth!  I spit it right out and rinsed out my mouth.  How did a noodle get in there?  Had all the food been cooked with or contaminated by noodles?  I'm not sick yet, I swigged down a bunch of pure cranberry juice afterwards, as that seems to help.  There's a slim chance it was a rice noodle, but I'm not banking on it.  

Just crossing my fingers now.  Hopefully I didn't get enough of it in my system to do harm.

Grrrr.  I didn't even tell my husband or make a fuss because it's been a while since we've been out and I wanted us to enjoy it no matter what.  My strong feelings against japanese restaurants was certainly reinforced.  Of course few people there knew anything about what was in anything, although the chef did prepare a nice gluten free spicy dipping sauce for me...I don't know what was in it, but she had a GF friend and has made it for her often, so I tried it, and it was good.

So far so good...here's hoping.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 3:09am; Reply: 27
crossing my fingers here!!(pray)
Posted by: Melissa_J, Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 3:51am; Reply: 28
Still feeling ok, I don't think I got enough gluten in my system to cause major problems.  This is so subtle so far, that I think I'll be fine...
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 6:15am; Reply: 29
phewwwwwwwwww!!
saved by the noodle you spit out on time!
shows great reflexes! ;D
Posted by: Melissa_J, Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 6:41pm; Reply: 30
Yes, it's quite a miracle.  Either I'm very good at spitting things out, or it was a rice noodle, or all that cranberry juice helped.  It didn't even make my elbows itch.
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 7:43pm; Reply: 31
I just now read this thread.
I think the tsadziki(that's how it sounds)sauce has cucumber & yogurt mixed - a real O avoid mixture.

I also dislike grilled food, feel it is carcinogenic & it makes me look sick after eating it, so I can't even try that if I eat out.

Now that chicken is a dot, I have fewer options. Maybe I'd have to go to a steak house. I hope more fresh turkey is available. Even the meats put on salads seem to have some additives.............
I'm glad as time goes on, my husband is getting more supportive & understanding of all this although I say very little to him about the diet..... One doesn't push ABs!!

Sea Salt & Light,
Mrs Tsakiridis aka Mrs "T"
[staying away from that non-compliant tsadziki sauce!]
Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 8:07pm; Reply: 32
Melissa, I've been trying to get my husband to commit to a regular date night--once a month maybe?  How did you ever get your husband to agree to spend so much time with you? :-/
Posted by: 2920 (Guest), Thursday, March 20, 2008, 11:46am; Reply: 33
as an O it is easy to order steak and salad or steak and veggies (hold the potato and pass the sweet potato)

For lunch I often get chicken tikka from the Indian restaurant and just eat plenty of veges at home that night

The hardest thing is going for morning tea or afternoon tea or a lunch time meeting at work where they serve sandwiches
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Thursday, March 20, 2008, 1:56pm; Reply: 34
Ribbit: I have been married 36 years & learned soon afterwards, that once most men get married, they don't like to go out. I don't push my husband & have learned to accept it.

I get my social needs met during the day. Even this site meets certain needs.  I talk a lot, & when I do certain chores or activities, I socialize there. My job is retail sales part time & I chat a lot with the customers. When my kids were little, I was active in La Leche League where I met like-minded moms & learned a lot. I go to Curves now & sometimes I meet women to talk to & usually don't that much, but that is another outlet. The guy who sells the 'street newspsper' feels like a friend, too. When I stop by the church office to pick up some info for a meeting, I chat there, too. [Our pianist, who also works in the office, is an O - celiac & I feel a good
kinship with him. Other secretaries are friendly, etc.]The missionary group I go to is among great friends, mostly older women, over the 20+ years.
Going to church meets a social need as it is supposed to. The large church I attend is like a small town with big city diversity! I love it. When we go to our farmland, my husband comments on how he enjoys being with me, so maybe that meets the 'dating' criteria to him! I don't say much to him. Though he doesn't converse much with me at home, he likes to know I am in the house. I prefer others in the house with me, which is more in accordance with my personality, but I don't quite understand him in that respect.
But, to be fair, I know he works long hours & is tired. He also commutes a long distance because he knows I didn't want to move to the area where the job is. If I were gung-ho about moving, I'm sure we would have done it, & if he insisted, I would have gone along with it(after all, he supports the family), but we somehow stayed here 31 years so far! At the rate of taxes & expenses, I don't know how much longer we can do it....  
So, Ribbit, in conclusion, it depends on your husband's personality & fatigue level how you approach this issue.
I think having dietary restricitions for so many years makes it easier to not regularly go out, & that avoids hassles!!!!
Occasionally, in the past several years, we may have taken someone out for a meal to encourage them, but to regularly 'date,' there ain't no such animal! But I still am married to one of the finest guys in Chicago. Those who know him will attest to that!!!!!!
Sea Salt & Light,
Mrs "T"    O+  [married to Mr "T" the AB!]
Posted by: judy_clau, Thursday, March 20, 2008, 2:36pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from Melissa_J
I really try to avoid Japanese restaurants in the US because there are always always mistakes (In Japan they're great though).

Wouldn't it be great if we had "Blood-Type" specific restaurants in the U.S.  I just happened across a blog on <http://crippong.blogspot.com/> with pictures of a Thai restaurant(Friday, January 26, 2007)that caters to the different blood type diets.  It's called:
Thailand's First "Blood Type Cuisine
Judy  P.S. I'm not aware of any in the U.S., are you?
Posted by: Melissa_J, Thursday, March 20, 2008, 6:29pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from Ribbit
Melissa, I've been trying to get my husband to commit to a regular date night--once a month maybe?  How did you ever get your husband to agree to spend so much time with you? :-/


It was actually my husband's idea, as I'm a homebody and didn't want to leave the kids with sitters.  It was stressful for me at first, but then I realized how lucky I was that he wants to go out with me instead of hanging with friends or watching a game or whatever.  Of course, if you want to have your husband wrapped around your finger, read "Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands"  Whether you're a Dr. Laura fan or not, it has some great ideas and a lot of common sense...within one week, after trying just a few easy suggestions, it changes so many things.  
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, March 20, 2008, 7:15pm; Reply: 37
ok hit us with a few good tips!!! ;) :K)
Posted by: Melissa_J, Thursday, March 20, 2008, 8:06pm; Reply: 38
One that I like is just taking a minute to put yourself together before he comes home, even just a little lipstick.  I'm not one who makes myself up or spends much time on my appearance, but men are very visual and really notice it.

Then when he comes in the door, drop whatever you're doing and greet him affectionately.  Then, save complaints about your day until he's wound down from his day.  If you have kids, teach them to do the same, and have them cleaned up and greetable when he comes home.  

My husband's schedule is erratic, and he doesn't have a set time of day to come home, but usually I have enough of an idea to give him one proper greeting each day.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, March 20, 2008, 10:31pm; Reply: 39
make it a habit and everyone is happy! :)
Posted by: Melissa_J, Thursday, March 20, 2008, 10:46pm; Reply: 40
Definitely.

I forgot to mention the other most important part...the power of the words "Thank You"

Say thank you for all the little things, even if it goes without saying and it's his job anyway...and be specific, and share with him  in what ways it helps you.  
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, March 21, 2008, 6:59pm; Reply: 41
Thanks, Melissa and Mrs. T.  I appreciate it.
Posted by: jayneeo, Friday, March 21, 2008, 7:26pm; Reply: 42
Yeah, Lola, that limo wine tour happened to be a prize won by one of the gals.... ;D
Posted by: Melissa_J, Friday, March 21, 2008, 8:20pm; Reply: 43
My husband might prefer working out together, and it would be healthier for me, so I'm going to ask him if he wants to do that next time.  We often take walks together.  I'd like to be more creative about dates and the time we spend together.  We could also attend more church activities together.  Sometimes we seclude ourselves in the basement and eat together then watch a DVD or Lost.

My husband realized one day that he was always taking clients and business partners out to restaurants, and he wanted to do the same for me.  Before that he prefered to just eat in.

We're both introverts, though my husband can be very extroverted for work, so we've always been best friends to each other, and haven't had a lot of other purely social outlets, though we've been working on that lately.
Posted by: JJR, Friday, March 21, 2008, 10:59pm; Reply: 44
Mrs.T, I pitty the fool who tries to push an AB.  Just kidding!!!!

I far prefer having people over and cooking something for them then going to restaurants where the food is overly salty and high priced.  Then we pay good money for all this food that my wife never eats once we bring it home.  I eat all the leftovers.  Although now I'm being more choosy.  We have a diner close that has pretty good food, but going out is OK, I'm just alot more comfy at home.  And when we're tired or not feeling good, home is where we'd rather be.  When I was 20 years old, anywhere but home was good. Heck, I even liked crashing on whoevers sofa after a fun night.  Now I'm 180.  Those days are OVER!
Posted by: Lola, Friday, March 21, 2008, 11:38pm; Reply: 45
my home is my castle!! ;)
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, March 24, 2008, 1:01am; Reply: 46
Yeah, I know, but see....you have to understand.  Those of us stay-at-home moms who sometimes have to go days with no adult conversation and only an AB around to converse with (and what introvert can keep up a running conversation with an 5 year old AB?)...every once in a while we need some down time to at least talk about the budget or diet changes or maybe---gasp---something non-stress-related with an adult.  Just dinner out of the house occasionally, with just my husband, would be such a wonderful change.  I could breathe.  I could relax.  Somebody else could wipe bottoms and noses for just an hour or so.  Somebody else could talk about princesses for an hour or so.  Who did I marry?  He's on the computer constantly, and only surfaces for meals or when I get so overwhealmed I have to have him help me.  I have to give him credit, he does often clean up dinner dishes while I get the children ready for bed.  But if all the noise and chaos and crying could be on somebody else's shoulders for just an hour a month, I'd be a lot better mother.  I do have to say, though, speaking of princesses... I don't really mind her playing princess.  I told her she could pretend that all she wanted, because when she's princess, she calls me "Your majesty."
Posted by: Lola, Monday, March 24, 2008, 1:07am; Reply: 47
;D too cute!
Posted by: Squirrel, Monday, March 24, 2008, 8:57am; Reply: 48
Quoted from judy_clau

Wouldn't it be great if we had "Blood-Type" specific restaurants in the U.S.  I just happened across a blog on <http://crippong.blogspot.com/> with pictures of a Thai restaurant(Friday, January 26, 2007)that caters to the different blood type diets.  It's called:
Thailand's First "Blood Type Cuisine
Judy  P.S. I'm not aware of any in the U.S., are you?

I don't know whether it's the same one, but in "our" Blood Type restaurant we were told about a so-called Blood Type restaurant in Thailand where apparently they serve pork....  ??) The implication was that the Thai one was not genuine "but we are".

The difficulty is that they were very unwilling to share the ingredients in their recipes (in case we pinched them for our own use?) whereas even the local food courts will proudly tell you what they put in the food - if they have enough English.

Ribbit - I completely understand what you mean. You need to spend just a little time with grown-ups every so often, otherwise you revert to childhood yourself. My Mum tells of the first time she left me with a babysitter to go for a drive with my Dad. I was several months old. She looked out of the window and heard herself saying "ooh! Look at the moo-cows!" (hehe)
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, March 24, 2008, 2:17pm; Reply: 49
*sigh*  Yes.  Moo-cows.  Yesterday I heard myself telling an adult at church that I'd be back in a minute, that I needed to go potty. :B  Re: reverting back to childhood.  I believe I do that.  My daughter's personality is not unlike my younger sister's personality, and when my DD starts smarting off or being rude, it just takes me back to childhood when my sister (the dominating personality) would rag on me and I was helpless to stop her.  I find myself just hunching up and taking it, the "martyr" I always was, and have to keep reminding myself, "Wait.  I'm the mother, not a bigger but helpless sister.  I don't have to take this."  It's like something in her temperament "triggers" me emotionally and I become 7 again.
Posted by: JJR, Monday, March 24, 2008, 5:18pm; Reply: 50
I feel for you ribbit.  It is nice to get out and not worry about the kids for a little while.  Just finding a babysitter is like 3/4 of the battle though.

Does your daughter know GiGi?  :)

Yesterday I ate at a Greek restaurant with my family and had Lamb.  It was very good but I over ate and it sent me into a coma for about 2 hours.  Hehehhehehehe.  It was all compliant except for the blueberry cheesecake at the end.  I think if I would've skipped that I probably would've been fine.  Or at least not so drained.  I don't think I'm processing my proteins too well and that cheesecake probably had all kinds of things I shouldn't have in it.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, March 24, 2008, 11:22pm; Reply: 51
deflect might help! :)
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, March 25, 2008, 12:17am; Reply: 52
Quoted from JJR


Does your daughter know GiGi?  :)

Yesterday I ate at a Greek restaurant with my family and had Lamb.  It was very good but I over ate and it sent me into a coma for about 2 hours.  Hehehhehehehe.  It was all compliant except for the blueberry cheesecake at the end.  I think if I would've skipped that I probably would've been fine.  Or at least not so drained.  I don't think I'm processing my proteins too well and that cheesecake probably had all kinds of things I shouldn't have in it.


I don't know who Gigi is, so it's likely she doesn't either.

My little AB and my big B also do the "coma" thing.  We use Emergen-C to pull them out of it.  You might want to try it.  Happens when they eat avoids.
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, March 25, 2008, 12:46am; Reply: 53
GiGi is a book about "God's Little Princess".  She'd probably like it.  My daughter loves it.  There are video's too.

Emergen-C, hmmmm....
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, March 25, 2008, 1:18am; Reply: 54
Look at your health food store.
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, March 25, 2008, 1:57pm; Reply: 55
It's a drink with vitamin C in it?  I think I've seen it on the TV.  
Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 1:45pm; Reply: 56
Yeah, it's a powdered mineral drink (in little packets) and most of them have vit. C.  The sports drink doesn't have vit. C, and that's what we give everybody (except me) because it doesn't have fructose in it.  The flavored ones with vit. C have fructose.  If you're a non-secretor you shouldn't have fructose.  We didn't do the secretor status on my AB daughter (can you  imagine trying to get a little girl to spit that much?), but she was still having some issues on the secretor diet.  So I switched her to the nonnie diet and lo and behold, all her lingering issues cleared up (red eye circles being the most obvious).  So look for Emergen-C products, and then look for the green box that says "Sports Drink" on it.  It's the only one that makes a liter of drink instead of just a cup.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Monday, March 31, 2008, 2:29am; Reply: 57
I've had a good result from ordering fajitas without the tortillas.  I explain I don't eat wheat and ask if I could get extra beans.
Posted by: TJ, Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 2:45am; Reply: 58
I had Mexican on Friday.  Taco salad, but with no corn chips/taco shells.  There were tomatoes, which aren't an avoid for B-nonnies, but I don't like them raw so I scrape them off.  There was cheddar cheese, and I think a bit of refried beans (pintos), but the rest was ok.  I also had a side of rice.  It was reddish colored, but I don't know what was in it!  I was already feeling a little icky, so it's hard to so if it made me worse.  I think I'm fighting off a bug: the flu has been going around in this area! :o
Posted by: SquarePeg, Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 3:31am; Reply: 59
The thing about the meat in taco salad is that it usually has a sauce added to it.  We really don't know what's in that sauce.

Even the steak in my fajita probably had dextrose and/or maltodextrose to provide a more juicy / savory experience.

But I'm happy if I can have a meal that's completely GFCF when eating out.  And low GI with a few beneficials.
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 4:52pm; Reply: 60
Drive55, alot of people up here have been sick.  Me included.  This last week I've been getting the chills / hot chills, aches and pains.  Fever.  But others are having similar symptoms so I'm probably fighting the same thing.  It doesn't help that I've been up and down for so long that it's hard to know if it's something new or old or what.  But it is what it is.  Hope you feel better buddy!
Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, 2:22am; Reply: 61
My husband always has his corn reaction after eating fajitas.  We asked once upon a time what they fried the beef in and they said, "Corn oil."  They agreed to fry it in butter for him, so now he can eat there occasionally.  Too bad I can't. :'(
Posted by: Melissa_J, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, 2:48am; Reply: 62
I went out tonight for date night.  After losing my most reliable babysitter, I needed the break!  We had a part-time babysitter, so I could catch up with some work and such, but she quit yesterday.  I thought that would be hard on the kids, but it was hard on me instead.  I wanted to cut back her hours anyway, and spend more of that time with my kids, but didn't plan on her quitting cold turkey like she did, and right before tax time...sigh, it's not worth hiring anyone, nobody is as reliable as the Mama, and I fooled myself into thinking she might be.  Back to self-sufficiency, and that's nice, but today it was hard.  Oh well, more money to keep for myself (food storage and paying off debts at this point).

There are a couple neighborhood girls that I can call and usually catch one for date night at least, so tonight I got one and we went to that same Japanese place (I never got sick last time, though I ordered more carefully this time and looked through my plate before eating)  I also ordered a seaweed salad.  I'd never had one before.  It had sesame seeds and sesame oil, gatherer black dots, but with all that beneficial seaweed I had to try it.  I also had the steamed veggies, so it was a vegetarian meal.  

It didn't agree with me as well as home-cooked superfoods, but it was acceptable for tonight and no really negative after-effects.  I think next time I'll make the first suggestion though...my husband gets to eat out all the time for business, for me it's just once a week.
Posted by: TJ, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, 9:03pm; Reply: 63
Quoted from JJR
Drive55, alot of people up here have been sick.  Me included.  This last week I've been getting the chills / hot chills, aches and pains.  Fever.  But others are having similar symptoms so I'm probably fighting the same thing.  It doesn't help that I've been up and down for so long that it's hard to know if it's something new or old or what.  But it is what it is.  Hope you feel better buddy!


I was right, I was getting sick.  I felt it coming on Monday, and yesterday was fairly miserable.  Today has been better though.  It seems like my poor roommate has been sick 2 weeks, so no surprise I caught it, but at this rate he will still be sick once I've kicked it.  Hurray BTD!  Today I actually felt well enough to go jogging, so I did in the hopes that I would rev up my immune system and sweat that bu**er out in the process!  I'm sure I will still need some extra sleep tonight and probably tomorrow night too, but I expect to be well again by Friday.

Speaking of aches, I did have a strange ache in my right side yesterday, just below my ribs, but after a big BM it's gone.
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, April 3, 2008, 12:50am; Reply: 64
Running!!  Wow, I'm impressed.  Glad you're feeling better!
Posted by: TJ, Thursday, April 3, 2008, 4:33pm; Reply: 65
Looks like I spoke too soon.  No surprise, I must have overdid it yesterday! :(   At least I'm not :X !
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Thursday, April 3, 2008, 5:39pm; Reply: 66
This board must be contagious! I'm finally coming down with a cold, also.
Too bad, because we finally are getting some better weather with beautiful sunlight out there.....
One of the best cures is to not eat & keep fluids going. Unfortunately, my O appetite is taking over!!!!
Everyone, let's get well soon!!!!
Mrs "T"   O+  
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, April 3, 2008, 5:51pm; Reply: 67
Drive55, that seems to be the case with this thing going around up here.  My sister has been up and down.  She'll feel better, and then not so good the next day.  It's been about a week.  That's kind of how I was too for a week and a half.  I've been feeling better the last two days.  Hopefully it continues!
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, April 4, 2008, 1:57am; Reply: 68
I saw some really weird contrails in the sky last week. ;D ;)
Posted by: jayneeo, Friday, April 4, 2008, 4:08am; Reply: 69
we ate out tonite to celebrate our anniversary....9 yr.  we had mexican food that was beautifully done. I had chicken mole!! It was wonderful. I had a salad and black beans with it, but hardly ate any beans. Oh but I had a tequila drink......so good. (I know)....I didn't eat that much (didn't finish) and was sooo full.
Posted by: TJ, Friday, April 4, 2008, 3:38pm; Reply: 70
Quoted from Mrs T O+
This board must be contagious! I'm finally coming down with a cold, also. Too bad, because we finally are getting some better weather with beautiful sunlight out there.....


We just had a cold front move in Wednesday.  It was about 77 (high) Tuesday, 68 (high) Wednesday, and 43 (low) Wednesday night.  Brrr.

Quoted from JJR
Drive55, that seems to be the case with this thing going around up here.  My sister has been up and down.  She'll feel better, and then not so good the next day.  It's been about a week.  That's kind of how I was too for a week and a half.  I've been feeling better the last two days.  Hopefully it continues!


I guess I needed to be knocked down a notch, I was getting cocky about not getting sick when everybody I know is! 8)
Posted by: Ribbit, Saturday, April 5, 2008, 1:23am; Reply: 71
Quoted from jayneeo
we ate out tonite to celebrate our anniversary....9 yr.  


Ours is Sunday!  Six years for us.
Posted by: jayneeo, Saturday, April 5, 2008, 1:54am; Reply: 72
;)
Posted by: accidental_chef, Monday, April 7, 2008, 4:42am; Reply: 73
We had Thai last Saturday.
Only changes requested: Mango salad (hold the peanuts please)
There were a few visible black dots but didnt stress out about it.
May be it is more of a challenge for nonnies...
Posted by: TJ, Monday, April 7, 2008, 4:34pm; Reply: 74
Oh, Thai food!  I've only had it once, but it was soooo good!  But everything was made with coconut milk... :'(
Posted by: SquarePeg, Monday, April 7, 2008, 5:43pm; Reply: 75
Ate out again at a pizza joint.  I ordered a hamburger patty and salad greens w/o dressing.  Since their marinara is awesome, I ordered that as a topping for the burger.

I could've been 100% compliant, but there were black olives on the salad, and I wanted to clean the plate.  And my dining partners ordered eggplant fries, which I helped them eat.  Then I helped finish the pizza that was left over in the plates, but I ate only the topping.

Like I wrote earlier, if I can avoid wheat and stay low GI, I feel I've gotten a good meal.
Posted by: dirrty_blonde_mp, Tuesday, April 8, 2008, 3:38am; Reply: 76
i had steak and vegetables (brocolli , cauliflower and carrots) at my friends bday today. i felt i did very well :)
Posted by: accidental_chef, Tuesday, April 8, 2008, 6:21am; Reply: 77
Quoted from TJ
Oh, Thai food!  I've only had it once, but it was soooo good!  But everything was made with coconut milk... :'(


That's odd...not all Thai dishes have coconut milk. Their range is pretty staggering actually. Hope you have better choices the next time.
Posted by: TJ, Tuesday, April 8, 2008, 4:49pm; Reply: 78
Quoted from accidental_chef
That's odd...not all Thai dishes have coconut milk. Their range is pretty staggering actually. Hope you have better choices the next time.


Correction: everything I ate had coconut milk in it, even the salad dressing.  Fat chance of there being a next time, with me on BTD now, unless I get a very patient server who speaks English very well to carefully explain what's in each potential meal.
Posted by: purzo2, Thursday, April 10, 2008, 5:45pm; Reply: 79
I did a search for this thread because I had the urge to cheat so I tried to find a compliant cheating restaurant.  Chipotle it was...I am sure a few of the spices weren't compliant but I had beans, lettuce and rice.  I still felt like I was cheating, probably because I didn't cook it.

As I read this thread I giggled.  My husband and I have talked NUMEROUS times about opening a little BTD cafe...our running joke is when someone enters you ask their blood type in order to give them the proper menu.  The funniest thought we had was if they didn't know their type we could supply a test kit, give them all the menus and tell them to take the test home and come back another time.  As far as opening a restaurant goes I know my husband can cook, I waitressed for MANY years, my kids are old enough to buss tables.  Our only setback is the money.  I mentioned opening the rest. to a friend (who is trying to start the diet) and she immediatly had a negative opinion.  UGGGHHH!  ??) The naysayers, don't worry I set her straight. ;D

In time we will have a BTD cafe in the US.  For now, we will pick and choose.  I am thankful to have found 2 almost compliant rest.

On another note, I am officiating my friends wedding and she knew about my diet so she asked her organic caterer to make us a special dish.  They are making us 4 dishes to our specs so we aren't hungry.  How cool is that?
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, April 10, 2008, 5:51pm; Reply: 80
You're a smart lady!!!
Posted by: Lola, Friday, April 11, 2008, 12:23am; Reply: 81
just prick them upon arrival!!
before they are seated....... ;)
pricking is 'on the house', so to speak! ;D

don t send them home without a meal in their stomach!

have a neutral menu available for those who don t know their BT. or
don t want to be pricked, 'ad situm'.......or just simply don t care!
Posted by: JJR, Friday, April 11, 2008, 2:10am; Reply: 82
Turkey, Quinoa, broccoli and some peach pie.  There's plenty of neutrals for everyone!!!!!  Northern Beans with some parsley. :)
Posted by: purzo2, Friday, April 11, 2008, 3:16am; Reply: 83
I agree Lola and had the same thought but my hubbie brought up a good point. The health dept. Wouldn't appreciate the blood in the rest. Maybe we can send them to the car.

Please excuse typos, I am on my phone and I can't really see what I am typing. Good night!
Posted by: Lola, Friday, April 11, 2008, 3:37am; Reply: 84
you mean send the health dep to the car??  ;) ;D
Posted by: Squirrel, Friday, April 11, 2008, 4:16am; Reply: 85
Quoted from JJR
Turkey, Quinoa, broccoli and some peach pie.  There's plenty of neutrals for everyone!!!!!  Northern Beans with some parsley. :)

Exactly so! When I got back from this BTD restaurant I spent the next day putting every item for every type into my spreadsheet as well as A and O. (Yes I have way too much time on my hands! ;)) But this is what I found:

There are 9 items which are beneficial for all 8 types. These could make up the basis of a good all-round meal, whoever was there:
beet greens, collards, broccoli, kale
cod
olive oil
walnuts
plums
green tea

There are 200 other items which are not avoids for anyone! 200! OK some of the ingredients might be costly, but that's plenty of choice for a nice variety of cross-type dishes with no avoids at all to worry about.

I felt like marching back to the restaurant with my lists and demanding an audience with the chef! ;D
Posted by: 2985 (Guest), Friday, April 11, 2008, 12:13pm; Reply: 86
Before becoming ER compliant again on 3/22/08, I was eating in a Chinese Buffet place once weekly and getting rice noodles and other foods. Now that I'm ER compliant I haven't been back there since. I was kind of living to eat when I went there and sometimes eating too much.

I could probably choose ER compliant foods in there but I haven't tried it yet. There'd be bound to be avoids in it, as they often use corn starch, soy sauce, etc.

I've found that our local Kroger's Supermarket is a good source for organic spinach, chard, and other foods. Around June we're getting an Earth Fare Health Foods Supermarket in my city, so it's going to get easier for me to get good organic ER compliant foods.  8)
Posted by: purzo2, Friday, April 11, 2008, 12:53pm; Reply: 87
Quoted from Lola
you mean send the health dep to the car??  ;) ;D

Well I might send them to the car but I really meant the customer...

Posted by: JJR, Friday, April 11, 2008, 1:57pm; Reply: 88
"Just give them an offer they can't refuse"

We'll you are Italian, right?
Posted by: 4283 (Guest), Thursday, November 20, 2008, 11:24pm; Reply: 89
When I got back I spent the next day putting every item for every type into my spreadsheet as well as A and O. (Yes I have way too much time on my hands! ;)) But this is what I found:

There are 9 items which are beneficial for all 8 types. These could make up the basis of a good all-round meal, whoever was there:
beet greens; collards; broccoli; kale; cod; olive oil; walnuts; plums; green tea....

There are 200 other items which are not avoids for anyone! 200! OK some of the ingredients might be costly, but that's plenty of choice for a nice variety of cross-type dishes with no avoids at all to worry about.

Hi Squirrel, Possum here: That spreadsheet sounds fantastic!! I just wrote one out just with 0 groups' food,(by hand; wishing I had a comp w me @ the time) while waiting for over an hour for a friend. From my (2007)GTbook, it lists "peaches" as an avoid for Explorers?? Also "plums" as an avoid for Gatherers?? So that's not same in your list?

Hey could you possibly email me a copy of that spreadsheet? I don't have excell tho so maybe it wouldn't print out??? Or is it possible to put a link in this forum??? The email address is philcombes@xtra.co.nz Thanks :) :) :K)

Posted by: Lola, Friday, November 21, 2008, 12:32am; Reply: 90
Carissa, natal plum is a SF for gatherers...
while plum is a toxin
prune is a black dot....according to the book.

so that would make it 8 items.....
Posted by: angelighte, Friday, November 21, 2008, 4:03am; Reply: 91
I order whatever I feel like...
I know..
and I sometimes I pay for it the next day - usually only if its had gluten in it.
Posted by: slee, Friday, November 21, 2008, 3:25pm; Reply: 92
We eat out so seldom that it is usually no big deal. Mostly to celebrate a birthday or anniversary. We love steak houses and I can always get a steak with grilled veggies... yum. Just keep the bread off my table and I am happy!
Posted by: RedLilac, Friday, November 21, 2008, 4:29pm; Reply: 93
I travel for business, so I eat out lots.  I just look for the most compliant things on the menu.   I ask for rice instead of potatoes, sometimes I get it, sometimes I donít.  I order a salad vs. soup.  I can just put olive oil on it, but sometimes I cheat with vinegar.  At home I use rice vinegar.   I pick out non-compliant items from my salad or veggie dish.  I just hope the meat or fish doesnít have too many herbs or oil avoids, but that doesnít bother me because I donít feel any immediate notable effects.    
Posted by: jayneeo, Saturday, November 22, 2008, 5:42pm; Reply: 94
OMG last night I had to eat out before a gallery opening....no time to go home first...but did I ever luck out? I was tentative about checking out this new hamburger joint called The Counter....but it was worth it!!!   They had a menu that you check off items you want on your burger, which was free range angus beef, or turkey (would have been a better choice, but I went for the beef) in a bowl (no bread) on tope of chopped lettuce with about 6 ing. of your choice on it!
Mine was: burger with feta cheese on top, lettuces, tomatoes, red onions, scallions, roasted red peppers, and russian dressing (probably less than compliant)!!! But what a winner of a meal!!! I was so happy. It was not cheap but I don;t care!!! ten bucks. Loved it!!!!! ;D ;D 8)
Posted by: Melissa_J, Saturday, November 22, 2008, 7:52pm; Reply: 95
I ate out for the first time in a month last night, and had some black dots, then paid for it more than I expected to.  My body wasn't ready for that.  

I guess I'll be a good girl on Thanksgiving...
Posted by: angel, Sunday, November 23, 2008, 2:29am; Reply: 96
I understand eating out is a pain. Melissa for us in UT we have Rodizio Grill in trolley square bring you concealed carry though, PF Changs is good, Maddox steak house in perry, ruby river, Texas roadhouse. I am all for steak houses, bu the very best dinner I have had since my radical changes in diet was about April around our 17th anniversary-He cooked steaks, sweet potatoes, Green beans, and salad.
My husband can cook and his pies are to dies for and he makes me special ones so I can ejoy too or I just get the filling, yummm.
I am also developing my talents, though I must further modify for the one allergic to egggs, milk, whey and garlic. We are getting there slowly developing the kids cooking talents too and their food awareness. It is s learning process.
Posted by: jayneeo, Sunday, November 23, 2008, 6:26am; Reply: 97
I like steakhouses too....PFChang's is delicious but I would not trust the ingredients...the meat seems to have some flour before cooking and the sauces are suspect too...doesn't work well for dh and me.  :-/
Posted by: Melissa_J, Sunday, November 23, 2008, 6:36am; Reply: 98
I miss Rodizio grill, there used to be one in Orem.  My husband isn't big on steak houses (though he isn't big on restaurant food in general) but I have heard good things about Maddox.  Next time I'm up that way we'll try it.

We like Biaggi's, but now that tomatoes are out for me I wouldn't know what to get on the rice noodles...so I'd probably just get a steak there as well.  I'm starting to like red meat again, I was tired of it for a while, but my little O and I need more protein and iron.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, November 23, 2008, 1:44pm; Reply: 99
We are eating out tonight because of my birthday at a Crab Cake House on the Bay in a little town on the Island called Coupeville.  It's got, you know, those old hundred year old houses, Victorian style.

I have no idea of the menu, but at least crab is a neutral for us!  

The hardest thing for me is when we go on the road to do shows and I have to be compliant when I don't feel like being compliant, since I'm exhausted from the trip and the performance, blah, blah.. and I certainly don't feel like cooking let along 'thinking!'
Posted by: RedLilac, Sunday, November 23, 2008, 4:06pm; Reply: 100
I had a coupon for Churrasco Brazilian Steakhouse so I took my son for lunch.  1st you flip the card green side up which means youíre still eating at the salad bar plus extras like vegetables, fruit and Brazilian dishes like coconut tilapia. Then you flip the red side over so the waiters dressed as 1800ís style gauchos bring skewers of meat to your table.  They have various cuts of steak plus lamb, chicken, and pork.  They keep the meat coming until you flip over the card again.  It was easy to have a compliant meal although I ate 3 times as much as I usually do for lunch.
Posted by: jayneeo, Sunday, November 23, 2008, 6:11pm; Reply: 101
Wowee, that place sounds great, RedLilac!!!! And a restaurant with rice noodles, Melissa???? Yum! and enjoy your birthday dinner, FM!!!! :)
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Monday, November 24, 2008, 5:03pm; Reply: 102
The first "The Counter" in Chicago just opened a half mile from me!
It sounds good, except I don't eat grilled food if I can help it. But if they offer turkey, I might try it.
Oprah rates it as tops, so that should help.  I've got to go in & ask questions someday.  I walked by it on Saturday(I think) & it was packed. So it must have the yuppie stamp of approval.
It's so good to eat out without having to run a lab test on your food!!
FM, when you get rich & famous, you can get your own private chef!!
Bon Appetit, everyone!! [Bon(good), not voracious like me!]
Posted by: 4283 (Guest), Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 4:31am; Reply: 103
Hi Squirrel, I wrote this a while back wasn't sure if you saw it?

Possum here: That spreadsheet sounds fantastic!! I rote one out just with 0 groups' food,(by hand; wishing I had a comp w me @ the time) while waiting for over an hour for a friend. From my (2007)GTbook, it lists "peaches" as an avoid for Explorers?? Also "plums" as an avoid for Gatherers?? So that's not same in your list?

Hey could you possibly email me a copy of that spreadsheet? I don't have excell tho so maybe it wouldn't print out??? Or is it possible to put a link in this forum??? The email address is philcombes@xtra.co.nz Thanks  
Posted by: 794 (Guest), Sunday, December 28, 2008, 5:38am; Reply: 104
I should just order something compliant but I get there and I don't see anything so I feel awkward and just get whatevers on the menu.  So I usually don't eat out and feel awkward about it because people ask me if I like this and that resturant and I'm like, never been there.  Kinda the story of my life, lived in a bubble of pain while everyone else explored and had a great time, but better now:).  But now when those secretors come over to eat, guess what I make a big meal nonnie compliant, sorry secretors :).
Posted by: RedLilac, Sunday, December 28, 2008, 3:58pm; Reply: 105
Restaurant eating might be the occasional time you dip into the black dot category.

Even eating certain total avoids once in awhile wonít hurt as long as you give your system enough time in-between cheats to heal itself.  Now if you get a severe reaction from an avoid, then stay away from it like the plague.  Iím talking about something you barely notice unless there is a buildup of it in your system.  Also some avoids just cause annoyances, like farts and stuffed up noses.  

I am not advocating eating avoids regularly, but sometimes it is the lesser of 2 evils like starving and being the center of attention.

But, the longer you are at this, the more adept you will get at knowing what restaurant foods to indulge in and what not to.  Just try to pick the most compliant or not aggravating main dish and ask for substitutions regarding the sides.
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 7:48am; Reply: 106
after my late  working days experiences in Basel.... I prefer to have muchmore time to get the right foods, even in restaurants it isn't guaranted at all..... here.... :-/  no problems in ZŁrich but then.... :X you really have to look around where to get your healthy foods without any avoids in..... made yesterday a good A2B nonnie food with huge amounts of garlic and onions and so I felt well after the re-incorporation of my favest odors... (oh)(evil)(cool)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, March 15, 2009, 6:23pm; Reply: 107
I was torn between voting for "order what seems the most compliant without making a fuss" or "never eat out, it's not worth the hassle."

Besides being an O (and I strongly suspect I'm a nonnie; for now I'm following the nonnie diet), I also keep kosher. So my restaurant choices are VERY limited- all that's available localy is a pizza place and a bagel shop.  ::) The last time I met up with an old friend at the bagel shop, I had a cup of coffee while he had a bagel (this was before I started BTD but after I'd discovered my allergies to wheat and dairy.) If I went there now, I think I'd get a green tea or a seltzer instead.

I eat out maybe twice a year, and when I do, I just do the best I can with what's already on the menu. I'm super careful to avoid even traces of wheat, but I'm not quite as picky about any other food. Wheat's the only one that makes me sick for over a month if I accidentally consume a trace, an that makes me sick even if I touch it, rather than consuming it.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, March 15, 2009, 7:21pm; Reply: 108
http://www.knorr.com/noflashcontent/index.html
wheat is everywhere!! ;)

I avoid any pre cooked goodies in restaurants.....
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 9:40pm; Reply: 109
I may have said this before, but we do well at a buffet-type place where we can pick what we want and the variety is good.  There are buffets where there's margarine in everything, and we can't go there.  But there are others where the veggies and meat are fairly plain and we can eat well.
Posted by: san j, Monday, May 4, 2009, 10:46pm; Reply: 110
I'm only just now reading about the Blood Type Restaurant. Where exactly is it? Anything more on it? A friend and I used to have a kind of ongoing fantasy (like the Bloodtype Family) of a bloodtype restaurant...Any reviews by Forum members? :D
Posted by: Cenedra, Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 2:31am; Reply: 111
We have on in Singapore called "MyType", not sure if it exists somewhere else, the owener had the idea to open it and a store after finding it hard to dine out. Wea lso have a great deal of veggie restaurantshere and what I try to do before I go is to check the menu online. Most of the times if it is good resto they can switch or leave oit certain ingredients. I think restos get used to this since more and more healthconscious people ask for it.
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:12pm; Reply: 112
Yes, I could see that it was in Asia. I'm wondering if there are any others. Did you try it, Cenedra? Is it still in operation?
Posted by: BCgal, Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 2:51am; Reply: 113
I'm glad I came across this thread before I went out to dinner tonight.  I read thru all of them & it gave me what I needed to be strict with myself tonight.  We haven't been out to eat for quite awhile & I'm trying to stick really closely to GT while I'm down in Victoria BC visiting my Mother.  It's always harder when you're not at home, but I did bring alot of my own groceries & went shopping when I got here to make sure I had what I needed in the house to eat.  Anyway, back to supper out.  I ordered the roast turkey dinner, but told the waitress I only wanted the turkey & the green beans & carrots (a black dot).  Also ordered a greens salad which came with sliced tomatoes & cucumbers ( husband ate the cucs as he seems to eat whatever he wants when we're out).  I brought my own salad dressing of extra virgin olive oil & umeboshi plum vinegar.  Phew, I made it thru without blowing it!  Now I only have to get thru the rest of the visit. (here till the 14th).
      Thanks everyone, I really found this thread encouraging.
Posted by: Cenedra, Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 2:56am; Reply: 114
The Singaporean one, yes its still there, I go there onceor twice a week, also because right nowits never as crowded as all the other places here at lunch time. They do cooking classes as well, so very nice initiative. Maybe someone else has the same great idea in Canada ;)
Posted by: Ribbit, Saturday, May 9, 2009, 8:30pm; Reply: 115
What to do about vinegar-free salad dressing when eating out:  ask for olive oil and several slices of lemon.  Drizzle olive oil on your salad, then squeeze on lemon juice and sprinkle with salt.  Sometimes I've gotten strange looks when I ask for olive oil, so I ask for oil and vinegar.  They can do that.  (It's like if you ask for anything out of the ordinary, they blow a circuit.)  Then I ask for sliced lemons on the side and just hand the vinegar to my husband to use.
Posted by: Cenedra, Monday, May 11, 2009, 2:10am; Reply: 116
Even though it might sound weird, I usally do not need any dressing with my salad
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Thursday, July 28, 2011, 11:16pm; Reply: 117
I eat a lot of animal protein with rice when I go out it seems like.  
Posted by: marjorie, Saturday, July 30, 2011, 2:44am; Reply: 118
Quoted from LarryC.
Hi.

We don't eat out much for the reason nobody understands how the foods will hurt you, so when we do go out we try to eat at Ruby Tuesday's, they have a bison burger, and me being a O secretor and my wife A nonnie, I order the bison burger and tell them hold the bun, sauce, and fries, bring steamed broccli with out the sauce, and the wife gettes the turkey burges the same way.

But we have found we would rather just fix our good food at home.

We are wanting to start a blood type Restruant here we have a building and a person to set up and start it we just need the money to gett the building ready and the Equitment.


well, if you start a restaurant, I am definitely coming to visit!!!!:)
Posted by: zeethiss, Monday, October 10, 2011, 5:31pm; Reply: 119
I try to find something compliant on the menu.
Yes, there are times I order only part of a meal
bc of non compliant sides, for ex.
Posted by: explorer7, Thursday, November 10, 2011, 10:49am; Reply: 120
I love that gluten free is becoming more of an option here in LOS ANGELES.1
Posted by: BTypeAUS, Thursday, November 10, 2011, 9:40pm; Reply: 121
Eating out is like a reward or a break from everyday cooking etc...I use it to eat what I like..I don't eat out much but when I do I make sure I enjoy it and get back on track the next day..it's something to look forward to after a good weight loss etc
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Thursday, November 10, 2011, 10:04pm; Reply: 122
Quoted from explorer7
I love that gluten free is becoming more of an option here in LOS ANGELES.1


You guys are lucky.  There is a gluten free pizza place in the university area but I'm not really feeling like pizza gluten free or otherwise much these days.  I will check it out this winter probably though.

Posted by: Poppy, Monday, November 14, 2011, 6:19pm; Reply: 123
Eating out causes me a lot of stress, so I usually pack food in the car when we travel. Even the smallest amount of red pepper, cayenne, or corn in any form will cause me to have brain fog, and drowsiness, and has kept me off work for a day or two. So, I picked the completely compliant button. I'd love to be more flexible, but it's not possible.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, November 17, 2011, 9:18pm; Reply: 124
Quoted from explorer7
I love that gluten free is becoming more of an option here in LOS ANGELES.1


A lot of ready-made gluten free items still contain Type O avoids such as corn and/or potato. You may or may not be able to eat those occasionally without problems. With my health issues, I wouldn't risk it. As a teenager/young adult in overall good health, you may be able to tolerate it as long as you keep it as an occasional treat, not a dietary staple.

I've eaten out exactly twice since starting BTD, and those have both been within the past 6 months. I make the best choices I can; eat lots of meat and veggies and stay away from anything that might contain corn or wheat, but I don't worry about vinegar or "avoid" oils or spices.

I still avoid it when I can. I'm currently helping my ex- sisters in law arrange a 50th birthday party for my ex, and we've decided that I'll cook (they'll pay me back for the ingredients) rather than getting it catered. It's such a releif to me that I'll be able to enjoy that party without fear of being poisoned by the food.
Posted by: kipperkid, Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 9:48am; Reply: 125
Harvester restaurants are often workable for me in UK - menu lists meat/fish, sauce, and potato/rice choices separately so you can mix and match them.  Meal also includes a trip to the salad cart where you select what items you want.

Went on Sunday and had steak (which came with peas and tomato) with rice and salad. The steak wasn't the best one I've ever had but it was acceptable and the meal worked ok and I had no repercussions from it.  It meant I was able to share in the meal out with friends.  The salad cart included pineapple so a a bowl of pineapple for dessert was a possibility..... :-)
Posted by: san j, Friday, December 23, 2011, 9:34pm; Reply: 126
I live in a city whose Main Attraction for leisure activity is: Restaurants.

I also get great ideas from studying menus.

I ate out yesterday.
I had Seafood Pasta (one Superfood seafood, one Avoid: Scallops and Rock Shrimp): The sauce was Red Pepper Cream. Incredibly rich. Very, very filling. That sauce was interesting. Many variations possible. In my own kitchen, I'd have made it spicier. I settled for a very generous grinding of peppercorns.
Posted by: san j, Saturday, December 24, 2011, 12:07am; Reply: 127
I'm looking at the options for the poll, and I didn't answer, because



Sometimes (usually) I order what's most compliant and make no "fuss".

Occasionally I ask for something unusual and am happy when the restaurant can flexibly help me to be more compliant.

But, then, sometimes I order outside the lines entirely, usually when the cuisine-type is harder to work with.


I just don't have a "hard-and-fast" policy about restaurant-ordering. There are so many variables!
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, December 24, 2011, 1:34am; Reply: 128
I usually find something on the menu that is the most compliant and then attempt to exchange something that is more desirable for any avoids.  I make it as good as I can and enjoy it.  If I have a little discomfort from the meal later, I remember the enjoyment of the time with friends and tolerate it.  Most of the time, I don't feel significantly worse for it.
Posted by: san j, Saturday, January 14, 2012, 8:01am; Reply: 129
Tonight's Chinese dinner had some bennies, but a couple of avoids.
I frankly didn't enjoy the Big Avoid: The tempura jalapeno contained minced shrimp...

I had a catfish dish (they call it sole -- but it's not), and an eggplant dish, and mixed vegetables, with a small serving of brown rice of which I didn't eat more than a heaping tablespoon.

And a Heineken.

OK, I went for the ginger ice cream for dessert.  ;)

So it's kind of a mix, there. I think the BTD pushes me to always try a restaurant's lamb dishes, maybe scallop dishes, fish dishes, eggplant dishes, FIRST. Depending on cuisine, of course.
Posted by: Spring, Saturday, January 14, 2012, 2:52pm; Reply: 130
Quoted from Cenedra
Even though it might sound weird, I usally do not need any dressing with my salad


A few years ago I thought I couldn't eat a salad without at least some dressing on it. When salt and vinegar really began to bother me I got very weary of trying to come up with a dressing in restaurants that I could tolerate. Finally, I just decided I didn't need a dressing, and I have not used one since. Now, people look at me with amazement as I obviously enjoy a salad without salt or dressing --- the same way I used to look at my friends who didn't use dressings!! I felt so sorry for them. Not anymore!
Posted by: Almonds, Sunday, January 15, 2012, 10:52pm; Reply: 131
O such a good question! I did wonder about you lot, how you adapt to eating out, it is a bit stressful sometimes, isn't it?

the patient look on your partner's or friend's face, the other people asking why you are dieting as you are obviously needing to put on weight then trying to explain what the BTD is when they just feel sorry for you, the fact that this is the 3rd restaurant we have visited in the night, as the two first only served Avoids plus promised a night of IBS!

So my principle is I try to stick as much as possible to the BTD but if I have to include one or 2 Avoid items then so be it. I'd rather do this then stay home and become a lonely weirdo!

Strangely enought I always feel a bit satisfied about myself after the dinner, as I have achieved a kind of a balance, rather then throw every resolution out of the window as soon as I opened the Menu, and over-indulged in everything I shouldn't have, like when I was 20 and eveything worked perfectly in the body!  ;)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, January 16, 2012, 8:03pm; Reply: 132
I don't feel full if I eat a salad without dressing. I need some fat in the meal or I simply won't feel satisfied afterwards. I can only handle "no dressing on my salad" if I'm getting plenty of fat elsewhere in the meal.
Posted by: O in Virginia, Monday, January 16, 2012, 8:08pm; Reply: 133
We are eating out less often now than we used to. We got burned out on the couple of places we went to so often that they don't appeal anymore.  One place we like is a new (to us) Vietnamese restaurant where I can usually find something not only compliant but truly delicious, not a compromise.  I'm not always sure the sauces are 100% compliant - and I know the peanut sauce is not - but the bulk of the meal is often superfoods for me.  Same with Thai cuisine, but I'm really enjoying the flavors of Vietnamese lately.

Ruthie, you would like Vietnamese cuisine - they use lettuce leaves as wraps often.  I want to do that more at home, too.
Posted by: san j, Monday, January 16, 2012, 8:30pm; Reply: 134
Quoted from O in Virginia
We are eating out less often now than we used to. We got burned out on the couple of places we went to so often that they don't appeal anymore.  One place we like is a new (to us) Vietnamese restaurant where I can usually find something not only compliant but truly delicious, not a compromise.  I'm not always sure the sauces are 100% compliant - and I know the peanut sauce is not - but the bulk of the meal is often superfoods for me.  Same with Thai cuisine, but I'm really enjoying the flavors of Vietnamese lately.

Ruthie, you would like Vietnamese cuisine - they use lettuce leaves as wraps often.  I want to do that more at home, too.


I love Vietnamese food.
OinV: You went to that cool bistro during holiday season, where you had rabbit, and linked me to the menu. That place was awesome. That rabbit - as YOU described it - really put my imagination in gear.  ;)
Posted by: O in Virginia, Monday, January 16, 2012, 8:34pm; Reply: 135
Quoted from san j


I love Vietnamese food.
OinV: You went to that cool bistro during holiday season, where you had rabbit, and linked me to the menu. That place was awesome. That rabbit - as YOU described it - really put my imagination in gear.  ;)


That was really good - though the cabbage and apples were avoids.  We don't eat there often, but it's a treat when we do.  :)
Posted by: san j, Monday, January 16, 2012, 9:06pm; Reply: 136
Anywhere you can find rabbit well prepared, go for it.
(Same with venison, for me.)
These are such treats.
Posted by: O in Virginia, Tuesday, January 17, 2012, 12:02am; Reply: 137
I love venison.  The restaurant with the rabbit had venison on the menu the Christmas before, but when we got there they had run out.  I was sooo disappointed!  I've never cooked venison myself, but I'd like to give it a try sometime.
Posted by: 19000 (Guest), Wednesday, August 8, 2012, 3:17pm; Reply: 138
I eat whatever I want. If I'm going to cheat, I'm going to do it right.
Posted by: Averno, Thursday, August 9, 2012, 8:29pm; Reply: 139
I voted "anything I want" because I don't go to resturants that often anymore, and when I do, all bets are off. It may take a few days to feel right again with hyper-compliance, but life is too short...

If I had really bad reactions to non-compliant foods, I certainly would avoid them at resturants too. When beginning this diet, I forced my will to be very compliant, knowing I could easily slide down a slippery slope (I'm a foodie). Surprisingly, I've managed to break myself of that danger-- my will is so much stronger than it ever was before-- and heavy foods don't appeal to me as much these days.  Savory and flavorful, yes. Just not so heavy, and blessedly, the non-compliant stuff is just not as appealing as it once was. The body learns.
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, August 14, 2012, 3:59am; Reply: 140
Generally, I order according to my blood type when I go out. I just naturally gravitate to the salmon and the lamb - unless I'm really in the mood for a beef or bison steak. And, yes, if there's bunny or venison on the menu, I'm all over it.
But sometimes there are guests, say, or friends who want to go to a Dungeness Crab place - or to try something very specific, and on those occasions I'll go for that (I think I've eaten crab 4 times during the past 8 years!)

Today I ordered what I thought was going to be a Filet of Salmon sandwich at a favorite comfort food hangout I've been to many times. It was a ground salmon patty with some kind of binder in it - breading sort of thing - and served on focaccia - bread, bread, bread - but, worse, the salmon wasn't Pacific Northwest, and it tasted ( :P) farmed. Bummer. I scarfed down the salad and french fries. First bad meal at an awesome spot.
Shoulda gone with my usual there: A great hamburger.
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