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Posted by: GillianR, Sunday, January 27, 2008, 4:09am
I live in BC and would like to find elderberries. Anyone know where I can find them? :)
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Sunday, January 27, 2008, 5:25am; Reply: 1
Elderberries used to grow wild in the Southeastern area of the US, but they were wiped out mostly by some sort of blight.  If you can find some growing wild they make delicious jam and jelly. But, boy, do they ever stain everything in sight. I guess using them would be somewhat risky, though, because unless you know what they look like there is another plant called something like pokeweed that has somewhat similar berries on them and they are poisonous. Austrians cultivate this fine bush/tree -- what is wrong with us over here, anyway? We need some elderberries!  (smile)
Posted by: teri, Sunday, January 27, 2008, 5:47am; Reply: 2
I live in BC too. Was able to find some dried organic elderberries in bulk at one of the larger health food stores on Vancouver Island. They also sell pure elderberry supplements. The store is about 3 hours from where I live so the supplements come in handy when I run out of the dried berries.
Posted by: GillianR, Sunday, January 27, 2008, 7:22am; Reply: 3
Thanks, Spring and Teri.

Pokeweed. Isn't that edible....like in the song "Poke salad Annie"

Teri, What was the health food store you found them at on the Island.  My SIL lives in Nanaimo. Dried organic ones sound good to me.

Maybe someone in my garden club has a tree.
Posted by: teri, Sunday, January 27, 2008, 7:41am; Reply: 4
Quoted from GillianR
Teri, What was the health food store you found them at on the Island.  My SIL lives in Nanaimo. Dried organic ones sound good to me.


The one with the berries is in Courtenay, about an hour north of Nanaimo...

Edible Island Whole Foods Market (477 6th Street, Courtenay, BC, 250.334.3116)

There is a pretty good one in Nanaimo worth checking out too, though not quite as "hard core" as the one in Courtenay...

Island Natural Market (6560 Metral Drive Nanaimo, BC, 250.390.1955)
Posted by: GillianR, Sunday, January 27, 2008, 7:56am; Reply: 5
Thank-you! :) I am happy just thinking about the little berries.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Sunday, January 27, 2008, 6:54pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from 2330
Austrians cultivate this fine bush/tree -- what is wrong with us over here, anyway? We need some elderberries!  (smile)


It is basically a weed here :P when I moved in in this house 7 years afo I had to cut down so many trees..to see my house- now I have 2 trees at the hen house that is enough .
Elders looks so pretty when the bloom.
The one that is really good is the
Sambucus nigra- and tyhe one that is most common ( at least here) ;)
but read more here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elderberry

Posted by: italybound, Sunday, January 27, 2008, 7:16pm; Reply: 7
I was given 2 elderberry bushes as a gift last year. I am hoping to see some fruit this year. :-)
May I ask for what you are going to use them?  There's the Proberry Capsules and Liquid if you are just looking for the immune building part of them. They are at NAP, if you're not aware.  ;) :)
Posted by: LarryC., Sunday, January 27, 2008, 8:11pm; Reply: 8
You can buy elderberry juice Concentrate at most hfs.

Poke weed is good for salads, but the berry is poison.
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Sunday, January 27, 2008, 8:18pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from GillianR
Thanks, Spring and Teri.

Pokeweed. Isn't that edible....like in the song "Poke salad Annie"

Teri, What was the health food store you found them at on the Island.  My SIL lives in Nanaimo. Dried organic ones sound good to me.

Maybe someone in my garden club has a tree.

Nope, pokeweed berries are poisonous.  (scared)  The leaves are edible, though.

Posted by: GillianR, Sunday, January 27, 2008, 10:29pm; Reply: 10
I checked out the site and , guess what , raw elderberries are poisonous, too.

"Both flowers and berries can be made into elderberry wine, and in Hungary an elderberry brandy is produced (requiring 50 kg of fruit to produce 1 litre of brandy). The alcoholic drink sambuca is made by infusing elderberries[citation needed] and anise into alcohol. The berries are best not eaten raw as they are mildly poisonous, causing vomiting, particularly if eaten unripe. The mild cyanide toxicity is destroyed by cooking. The berries can also be made into jam, pies or Pontack sauce. All green parts of the plant are poisonous, containing cyanogenic glycosides (Vedel & Lange 1960).

The flowers may be used to make an herbal tea, which is believed as a remedy for colds and fever. In Europe, the flowers are made into a syrup or cordial (in Romanian: Socată), which is diluted with water before drinking.  The flowers can also be used to make a mildly alcoholic, sparkling elderflower 'champagne'."

I had elderflower cordial in England 3 years ago and loved it. My relatives looked at me askance when I raved about it. They were offering it to the kids instead of tea. My kids had tea!! I found some here and was all excited when Zellers started to carry it but then they sold it all off. Guess no one knew what it was!!
Posted by: GillianR, Sunday, January 27, 2008, 10:31pm; Reply: 11
Italybound, I want to eat the berries (cooked , I guess) and make my own cordial from the flowers. How old does the tree have to be before you get the berries?
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, January 27, 2008, 11:03pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from GillianR
Italybound, I want to eat the berries (cooked , I guess) and make my own cordial from the flowers. How old does the tree have to be before you get the berries?


I really don't know how long..........will need to check that out. I think the raw elderberry is very bitter, so I doubt one would eat many of them in that state anyway LOL
Interesting article......... even tho it is a site selling a supplement, it has a lot of info http://www.gymratz.co.uk/bodybuilding-supplements/item152.htm

more info on cats claw..just ordered 3 bottles of this myself.......I hear it is also good for dogs w/ arthritis problems........prob other animals as well.
http://organicpharmacy.org/search.php?searchterm=Cat%27s+Claw+%225000%22&x=7&y=14

info on the elderberry bush. http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Sambucus+nigra
I'm pretty sure this is the ones I have, but won't swear to it. If I remember correctly, some varieties of elderberry are not for eating, period.


Posted by: Schluggell, Monday, January 28, 2008, 9:01am; Reply: 13
Quoted from GillianR
I checked out the site and , guess what , raw elderberries are poisonous, too. ..


There are many kinds of Elderberries - Some have more toxins than others when eaten fresh without any processing...All have been used as food however.

Depending on where you are in BC they may be more or less common. Yo want the Blue opr Black varieties. Its the red ones in the PNW that have disagreeable components - But they can also be used with a little perseverence.
Posted by: 2459 (Guest), Monday, January 28, 2008, 10:28am; Reply: 14
I was born and raised in Vancouver (living in Edmonton now, there's more bison here lol) and the "Circling Dawn" on Commercial drive used to carry bulk dried black/purple/blue coloured Elderberries. I hope you find some: They make a very nice tea!
Posted by: GillianR, Thursday, February 14, 2008, 8:15am; Reply: 15
I was able to order some elderberries from a local healthfood store. They are tiny berries full of seeds that have very little flavour. I guess I was expecting something juicier like small raisins.  ;D Silly me. Hopefully the real berries are better. Hmmm. If that was the case wouldn't a bunch of people have been raving about them by now? They actually said, "Sambucus Nigra" on the package. Too dried up to plant I would expect. ;D  (Thimbleberry: The Circling Dawn is still there but I didn't get into Vancouver to try it yet.) .

Still haven't found elderberry concentrate anywhere yet, although there is elderberry in my favourite juice (Oasis).
Posted by: shoulderblade, Thursday, February 14, 2008, 1:05pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from GillianR


Still haven't found elderberry concentrate anywhere yet, although there is elderberry in my favourite juice (Oasis).



I have a bottle of cough/cold syrup with wild elderberry. Brand name is Sambu Guard from Switzerland. Importer is listed as "Flora Manufacturing and Distributing Ltd. 7400 Frazier Park Dr, Burnaby BC. V5J-5B9"

Would be available in BC. I hope.
Posted by: Gumby, Thursday, February 14, 2008, 2:10pm; Reply: 17
I have a bottle of that too, shoulderblade, so yes it is available in bc.  I've not opened it yet though.  
Posted by: 1586 (Guest), Thursday, February 14, 2008, 3:20pm; Reply: 18
Elderberries are abundant in the UK, growing wild.  Never hear of anyone deliberately cultivating them.  We used to make the cordial from the flowers and wine from the berries.  Their biggest nuisance is when the birds eat them and use your car or washing as target practise.
Posted by: shoulderblade, Thursday, February 14, 2008, 4:07pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from Gumby
I have a bottle of that too, shoulderblade, so yes it is available in bc.  I've not opened it yet though.  



Neither have I. Its rather expensive so I keep it in the fridge for emergency purposes.

I have some dried elderberry in gel caps and tea for regular use.
Posted by: italybound, Thursday, February 14, 2008, 4:20pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from shoulderblade
Sambu Guard


what I'm seeing, this product has fructose and Echinacea in it....both avoids for O's unless something has changed.  :'(
and ascorbic acid, not the best source of Vit C for O's.
Posted by: TJ, Thursday, February 14, 2008, 5:30pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from 1586
Elderberries are abundant in the UK, growing wild.  Never hear of anyone deliberately cultivating them.  We used to make the cordial from the flowers and wine from the berries.


Reminds me of the line in The Holy Grail: "Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!"
Posted by: shoulderblade, Thursday, February 14, 2008, 5:51pm; Reply: 22
benifit
Quoted from italybound


what I'm seeing, this product has fructose and Echinacea in it....both avoids for O's unless something has changed.  :'(
and ascorbic acid, not the best source of Vit C for O's.


I got it as an emergency item. Have not opened it and hopefully never will.

I rarely buy anything processed anymore but given my options here (ie. not many) this will do.





Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Thursday, February 14, 2008, 7:59pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from italybound


what I'm seeing, this product has fructose and Echinacea in it....both avoids for O's unless something has changed.  :'(
and ascorbic acid, not the best source of Vit C for O's.


There are other sources for this product that have different ingredients with the elderberry. One that comes to mind is called Sambucol. Some come without any sweetener at all and no vitamin C.
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Thursday, February 14, 2008, 8:25pm; Reply: 24
For my part, elderberry caps work just as well as the syrup and I have been using elderberry in both forms for many years. If you need something for your throat, one capsule makes a cup of tea. Easy, easy and cheap! (smile) I haven't had a cold in over ten years. I had a terrific amount of stress then or I wouldn't have gotten that one.
Posted by: italybound, Thursday, February 14, 2008, 8:25pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from 2330
Sambucol..


citric acid, glucose syrup and one even has sorbitol.

http://www.vitacost.com/productResults.aspx?csrc=PPCADW-sambucol&s_kwcid=sambucol%7c573205451&Ntk=products&Ntt=sambucol

http://www.sambucol.com/
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Thursday, February 14, 2008, 8:45pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from italybound


I was just looking at the sources where I have bought Sambucol and none of them currently have Sambucol without sugar - but if enough people contact Nature's Way, no doubt they will have it available again ASAP. (Someone mentioned that it is a good substitute for brown sugar in different foods.) My advice to you is buy the caps, take one every day during the winter and up your intake at the first sneeze from someone around you. One cap in water, as I said, makes a nice tea if you have a sore throat. I have recommended this product to everyone I know, and they all take it. If a drug company owned the rights to elderberries, you would see ads everywhere you turned. It would be the best thing that ever hit the market since time began for colds, according to them, and the cost would be astronomical. Thank goodness, we can buy these little caps for nothing, practically, and be basically cold free. Another of my favorite supplements is cranberry caps for urinary problems. I have bought huge bottles of cranberry juice that got thrown in the trash after I got rid of any irritation because I can't stand the stuff. I don't have those problems much anymore but some people do and I have recommended the caps to them because they are so much cheaper than juice and you don't have the worries of spoiled juice in the fridge. They have worked wonders for many people I know. There are people, I'm sure, who love cranberry juice and possibly drink it every day, but I'm not one of them!

The wonderful thing to me about this type of supplement is that they are good for many different things. People ask me sometimes why I take certain things - the best answer is - EVERYTHING!! (smile)
Posted by: italybound, Thursday, February 14, 2008, 10:58pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from 2330
Sambucol.... Nature's Way.... One cap in water, as I said, makes a nice tea if you have a sore throat.)


still looks like alot of stuff I wouldn't want to take, but that's just me.  ;)   re: using the caps as tea.......are you talking about Nature's Way or NAP's? I opened one of NAP's once for my sick g'daughter and she said "that smells like throw up".  :o  Guess I'll have to try it out for myself.  :)
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, February 14, 2008, 11:25pm; Reply: 28
how s this for extract? ;) ;D

http://www.pallini.it/eng/specialita/liquori/romanasambuca.html
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Friday, February 15, 2008, 1:09am; Reply: 29
Ahem. Ah, Lola, I think I will pass on this one! LOL
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, February 15, 2008, 1:15am; Reply: 30
I just bought Planetary Herbals elderberry extract, which is only aduterated with honey and grain alcohol.  It was terribly expensive, but at least it doesn't have fructose in it.  

Oh, how I wish they would make plain old herbal tinctures with nothing in them.  If I wanted them to taste nice I might dump it into some juice, but I certainly don't want other added sweeteners.  That's like several years ago I was looking for some infant tylenol (before I was completely convinced it was poison) and plain infant tylenol doesn't exist.  It's all got corn syrup and red food coloring in it.  
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, February 15, 2008, 7:19pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from GillianR
I checked out the site and , guess what , raw elderberries are poisonous, too.


Just like kidney beans. Have to just cook them first before eating to destroy the toxin. I haven't been sick in  2 years since I drink elderberry tea regularly in the fall/winter. I buy it from Vitamin shoppe.  They're on line too vitaminshoppe.com.  I get elderberry jelly from Amazon. 6 jars for twenty bucks. Lasts the whole season.  I have a bush growing in my backyard but it didn't make berries. I tried to plant another elderberry variety but it died. I bought them from an online nursery...Raintreenursery.com. Park seed has elderberry plants.  One I ordered thrived and another one I ordered died on me. E.C.Kraus, wine making site, sells dried elderberries. I bought 2 packs and made elderberry syrup. My son wasn't impressed. Oh well, back to the jelly.
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Friday, February 15, 2008, 7:48pm; Reply: 32

Quoted from 2330
... pokeweed berries are poisonous.  The leaves are edible, though.


Sorry, but the entire mature pokeweed plant is considered poisonous: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokeweed.

The only part that's commonly eaten is the spring shoots, and even those are parboiled in several changes of water before being eaten.

Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, February 15, 2008, 9:51pm; Reply: 33
I have used this Elederberry syrup to deal with colds ...

Contains:

Black Elder Berry Extract (1:1) with Vegetable glycerin, USP purified water, citric acid.
Posted by: italybound, Saturday, February 16, 2008, 4:41am; Reply: 34
Quoted from C_Sharp
I have used this Elederberry syrup to deal with colds ...
Contains:Black Elder Berry Extract (1:1) with Vegetable glycerin, USP purified water, citric acid.


:o :o  yea!!! thanks SO much for posting.  :K)  finally something w/o no junk!! I guess citric acid isn't considered junk for any B/T right?
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, February 16, 2008, 5:22am; Reply: 35
corn derived!
:-/
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Saturday, February 16, 2008, 6:27am; Reply: 36
Quoted from Carol the Dabbler



Sorry, but the entire mature pokeweed plant is considered poisonous: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokeweed.

The only part that's commonly eaten is the spring shoots, and even those are parboiled in several changes of water before being eaten.


There is a very colorful letter posted on this website from a reader who knows all about pokeweed! She did a pretty good job of blowing the naysayers out of the water! LOL

http://www.geocities.com/heartland/ranch/4986/herb31.htm#poke
Posted by: italybound, Saturday, February 16, 2008, 2:41pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from Lola
corn derived! :-/


But not all citric acid is corn derived right? I think I'm going to call the company and ask. Could be about the same as the elderberry zinc lozenges I have if it is tho  :'(  Hopefully not.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Sunday, February 17, 2008, 2:57am; Reply: 38
Quoted from italybound


:o :o  yea!!! thanks SO much for posting.  :K)  finally something w/o no junk!! I guess citric acid isn't considered junk for any B/T right?


Elderberry tea has less junk that that syrup, ma'am.
It's just elderberries. Can't get any more pure than that.  :)
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, February 17, 2008, 3:50pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from 815
Elderberry tea has less junk that that syrup, ma'am. It's just elderberries. Can't get any more pure than that.  :)


Good point!!  ;D   I assume you find that at your local HFS?
Posted by: RedLilac, Sunday, February 17, 2008, 7:39pm; Reply: 40
I use both the NAP Proberry caps and Now liquid.
Posted by: italybound, Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 5:32pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from RedLilac
I use both the NAP Proberry caps and Now liquid.


is this the Now brand that you use? If so, I guess you can have echinacea? (none for me)
http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?unique=b1251&catalog=yhst-50475351605673

the regular capsules are on sale for $8.25 (60 capsules - 500 mg each) at the same link listed above
Posted by: RedLilac, Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 3:26am; Reply: 42
I donít see Echinacea on the list, did I miss it?  My local HFS is owned by Now.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 6:46am; Reply: 43
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000331.htm

http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive3/config.pl?read=8323
Posted by: italybound, Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 11:47am; Reply: 44
Quoted from RedLilac
I donít see Echinacea on the list, did I miss it?  My local HFS is owned by Now.


Elderberry, Zinc & Echinacea Syrup is the only elderberry liquid I'm seeing. Am I missing something?  :)
Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 3:50pm; Reply: 45
On our most recent road trip my husband stopped for some caffeine. He hates coffee, and he found some bottled unsweet tea that he said was gross, but did the job.  He chugged it down and within a few minutes started snorting and pulling on his ears.  "What's the matter?" I asked.  "I don't know," he said.  "It doesn't have corn syrup in it.  I checked.  But this is the beginning of my corn reaction."  I looked at the list of ingredients:  tea, water, citric acid.  Yep.  He slept terribly that night and woke up cranky.  Evil corn.  Citric acid, my foot.
Posted by: italybound, Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 4:41pm; Reply: 46
Quoted from Ribbit
I looked at the list of ingredients:  tea, water, citric acid.  Yep.  He slept terribly that night and woke up cranky.  Evil corn.  Citric acid, my foot.


yep, but even tho it's corn derived I think it is still considered citric acid. Little fooler tho, huh?  ;)  And I agree w/ your sentiment. It shouldn't be allowed to be called citric acid. Doesn't that indicate it came from citrus? Huh?  ;)  FYI........yep, unfortunately, one of the 6 definitions of citric acid at dictionary.com, mentions being derived from corn syrup.  >:(
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 8:31pm; Reply: 47
Quoted from italybound


Good point!!  ;D   I assume you find that at your local HFS?


Yes. At Vitamin Shoppe.  It's by "Alvita" brand   :)
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