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Posted by: meribelle, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 10:52am
I don't know if it is because I am not 100 percent compliant, but I don't feel as full of pep and as energetic as I did on the O nonnie diet.  I was not 100 percent compliant on it either.  I am hungry more often and tired more easily.  I am seriously considering going back to my nonnie way of eating.  Does anyone else have these issues?
Posted by: Devora, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 11:21am; Reply: 1
I may join you on this one!  I am starting to get sick (Lungs, throat sore) On the BTD I rarely if ever got sick (9 years!).

I am pretty compliant though.  I hope this is just some detox.
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 2:10pm; Reply: 2
I absolutely felt better on the BTD.  
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 2:43pm; Reply: 3
I'm not quite sure how I feel. There are other factors like the weather, the sick aunt, & less exercise because of the weather, so I'm not sure how I feel. The diet is about the same anyway. I'm trying to have less lettuce & tomato, the staples for salad in my life.  I had a couple of cans of chick peas last week, something I hadn't had in a few years.
We'll see what happens......
Sea Salt & Light,
Mrs "T"     O+ [hunter? chance of being gatherer]
PS I am compiling a list of both hunter & gatherer foods [bennies & neutrals]that are acceptable in both diets & see how that goes.  The cold weather affords me the time to stay home & do that!! As I hate cold weather, the GTD has been a blessing as I'm learning during this hibernation period!
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 3:48pm; Reply: 4
I must say that in general BTD felt better... but Im patient so Ill se what happens ::)
Posted by: Lisalea, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 4:12pm; Reply: 5
Hi everybody,
As for myself, the last three nights my reflux's been worst than ever and I've had to further lift my bed to try to get some sleep ...  I'm being quite compliant with GT, hence this is really frustrating and confusing  :-/

Can it possibly be a severe detox symptom  and has anybody else had THAT type of detox reaction  ??)

Any advice would be really appreciate ... Please share folks, thanks a bunch  :K) ;D ;) :)

Posted by: Mercedes, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 5:21pm; Reply: 6
Last night I decided I can't do gtd any longer. When I started BTD, I only ate iceberg, tomatoes and potatoes for veg. I looked at my list and tried a bunch of things- now, most of the veg I liked are avoids, and all the ones I couldn't bear to eat are superfoods. I'm not eating enough veg, and I'm feeling totally run down. Plus, I'm starting to get mild asthma like symptoms when running again, and I don't know if it's related.

I'm going to try and take some gatherer principles (like low GI, no soy) and apply them to BTD, and maybe try gtd again later, but right now, it's just not working.
Posted by: Lloyd, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 5:51pm; Reply: 7
The simple answer is to use what works best for you. If BTD works better, that's fine. Incorporating principles from the GTD into your BTD diet is also a good idea.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 6:20pm; Reply: 8
Guys, if there is one thing that all the D'Adamo diets teach us, it is to listen to our own bodies.  So anyone who chooses the BTD based on that has my respect.  That said, I just want to say that I think what some of us are experiencing with the switch could be a classic "detoxification" process.  It sounds weird to posit that because we were already on the purest of diets, although, I suspect I'm not the only one that went a tad or so haywire over the holidays, and remember that the GTD came out just after the holidays, so some of us were far more infused with junk and avoids than usual.  But, just say that you were perfectly compliant over the holidays, there is still a transition from BTD to GTD, especially for O nons, because we are kinda sorta the most grain-sensitive type, and we are going from virtually no grains to a plan that is much more liberal on grain quantities, as long as it is the right grains for us.  Ditto for dairy.  There is bound to be a transition/adjustment period.

I have experienced the same things you guys are talking about, but I'm opting to give it time, because I see the detox I've gone through as a major POSITIVE, actually.  I had just been through some massive stress and there is nothing like an intense cold to literally let it all flow out of you, in terms of stress hormones, toxins, germies, anything and everything that your immune system chooses to "reject" while in high gear.  So I just rode the wave as a positive thing.  And now I feel...BETTER!  As in, a lot better!  Better than I did before the cold.

As for the veggie-on-the-Gatherer-plan thing, specifically, I've struggled with that, heck, I have a thread on that very topic, but I'm realizing it is a matter of a learning curve, just as it was way back when with the BTD.  There ARE veggies we CAN and SHOULD enjoy and we just need to figure out which ones we have access to and enjoy most and get to the business of enjoying them in recipes wherein we used to use broccoli or whatever.  I do think it is a challenge to eat enough veggies daily anytime you up your grain intake, and the Gatherer/G2 diet, for one, does up the grain intake sharply from the O nonnie diet.  We're talking SHARPLY.  If you find that this is tending to squeeze out the veggies from your daily diet, I totally understand and share that experience, and I used to feel that way and post about it on the BTD, too, whenever I would up my grain intake for any reason, remember?  I would say, gee, I notice when I cut out grains completely, that the best part is I eat way more FRUIT, mainly, but fruits and veggies.  Conversely, when I eat grains, my fruit intake drops and so does my veggie intake.  Solution?  Be AWARE of this and consciously choose veggies and fruits instead of grains when possible.  My goodness, guys (and I say this to remind myself as much as anyone else), we need to realize:  no one is telling us we HAVE to eat as many grains as are allowed in the GTD guidelines, just that we MAY, and that it is OKAY to eat the right grains for our type.  But some of us know that for us as individuals (and thank you, BTD, for this knowledge), veggies and fruits are preferable to grains, or at least, it is necessary to ingest veggies and fruits every day, and if something else has to step aside to make room, it should be grains.  So, by all means, if you are feeling that you are eating too many grains (as I am--not so much too many grains, but not ENOUGH veggies), then check yourself.  Say, "Self!  What veggies am I going to have today?"  I made SURE to buy veggies last night when I grocery shopped.  I discovered some frozen superfood veggies I had not noticed before at the HFS, such as strips of mixed bell peppers (yay!).

What I'm saying is, if anyone ultimately chooses the BTD instead of the GTD, no problema at all, they are both amazing and powerful plans.  But I just implore everyone who has chosen to give the GTD a whirl to give it a fair try.  Think back--waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back, for some of us--to when you first started the BTD.  Even if you had nothing but positive physical/health changes from it, was it all smooth sailing as far as giving up familiar staples and figuring out what you could have on the BTD instead?  Exactly, it wasn't, so why expect the GTD transition to be a cakewalk, ya know?

I say:  give 'er a chance, explore new veggies and other superfoods, be open-minded and creative about it.  Then if you still feel that the BTD was a better diet for you, by all means, choose the BTD.  But you may be surprised that the GTD gets easier and easier and you start feeling better and better.  Sort of similar to how our parents, who were clueless and knew nothing when we were teens and young adults, suddenly got a lot wiser and smarter as we got older and wiser ourselves!

;)
Posted by: OSuzanna, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 6:28pm; Reply: 9
I like the advice, Lloyd and PT! I'm going thru an adjustment and readjustment phase, myself.
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 6:30pm; Reply: 10
well folks, for me, the GTD is better. I began to feel I don't need all that beef....and I really really missed grain. I don;t care if its millet or quinoa...I love them. Now, cottage cheese I cannot do, but use goat cheese(chevre ) once in a while (love it)...its a neutral. It's a great diet for me.
Posted by: Melissa_J, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 6:34pm; Reply: 11
I haven't always felt great, but I am losing weight, so it's normal for me to have some negative symptoms whichever diet I'm on (gatherers store lots of junk in their fat, so when it gets burned, the junk starts running amuck again)  I've been a bit grumpy, is the worst part of it.  

I can't wait for my sauna to arrive!  I get cold when I'm losing weight, especially at this time of year.

I'm tweaking a few things for me, and cutting back on the dairy and oats a bit.  I tried making cheese out of goat's milk, and it tasted great, but it may have upset my tummy, whereas the cow version doesn't...weird.  Not sure, since something else could have caused the trouble.

I'm also in unfamiliar territory adding some of these new foods, and have purchased the wrong things for me a couple times (had trouble with enzymes in a storbought farmer's cheese, due to my corn derivative allergy, methinks)
Posted by: kipperkid, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 6:38pm; Reply: 12
I thought on GTD goat's cheese was a black dot for gatherers?  Have I got that wrong?  I kinda hope so, 'cos I used to have it very occasionally.

I'm at work, so can't check my book till later.....

I need more time to decide which is best for me, at the mo, I am tending to think GTD - I seem to have a bit more energy and I am managing to be a bit more compliant than I was on BTD.  On the other hand my weight is still up and down like a yo-yo and only time will tell whether the generally trend is still upwards or starting to go down......

I'm struggling with the meat frequencies, as I do like my meat, but I've definitely eaten too much beef this week!

I would certainly say if you've given GTD your best shot and it isn't working as well as BTD did for you, then go back to BTD.  If that's what made you healthy, no contest!!!
Posted by: Mercedes, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 6:47pm; Reply: 13
I see your point twist, but it's not that I find I'm becoming reliant on grains, and eating grains instead of veggies. I'm just not eating anything in place of my veggies. I literally gag when trying to eat anything green and cooked, besides peppers. So I'm not eating three meals a day and the two I eat aren't always full meals, and I'm not eating regularly because I'm not looking forward to eating (Sorry, you can't sell me on the glory of asparagus ;))

And actually, my transition to BTD was pretty fantastic. It wasn't that tough of sailing at all. So many times I tried things to sub for avoids and was like "this is great" or at least "I can eat this and enjoy it". Not so with most of my GTD veg list. And I didn't have detox with BTD- I instead just had all these irritating health probs disappear.

And not trying to sound holier-than-thou, but I didn't go on a binge this holiday season. The *only* BTD cheat I had was a piece of tourtiere (wheat crust, some pork in filling). I made spelt and kamut stuffing, I made an oatmeal cake for dessert, I was a good girl.

At this point, I felt better on BTD with excess (and some avoid) dairy, than I do on GTD with canola oil and sugar in the mayo. Maybe when I've had time to expand my palatte, I'll give GTD another try. Or look at it this way, I'm going to transition to GTD, but it's probably gonna take me two years before I'm done that 6 month period ;)
Posted by: kipperkid, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 6:53pm; Reply: 14
If you need 3-6 months with no toxins at all, I don't see me ever making it!! That sounds an impossible mountain to climb as far as I'm concerned. :o
Posted by: Drea, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 6:55pm; Reply: 15
I'm all for staying on the diet that makes me feel best. I felt fairly good on the BTD, but could not lose the stress weight that I accumulated over the previous year and a half. Now that I'm following more of the guidelines of the GTD, the weight has come off and stayed off so far. Basically, I'm still on the BTD, with the added features of not eating chicken, eating more apples, pecans, and walnuts, and more eggs, and adding back in more cultured dairy. Other than those biggies, I'm still eating like an A secretor.
Posted by: Drea, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 6:59pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from kipperkid
If you need 3-6 months with no toxins at all, I don't see me ever making it!! That sounds an impossible mountain to climb as far as I'm concerned. :o


Just do the best you can  :D. I find that the more specific and debilitating the individual diseases are, the more compliant the person is willing to be. It all depends on what you as an individual are willing to do for yourself.
Posted by: OSuzanna, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 7:01pm; Reply: 17
Cool, Drea!!(clap)
Posted by: OSuzanna, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 7:02pm; Reply: 18
kipperkid, I don't see goat cheese listed, just goat milk as a black dot avoid, so the goat cheese would be a neutral, unless I missed something ;D
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 7:24pm; Reply: 19
Well, you'll never hear me say a word against the BTD, because I can't, I love it, it loved me, we were a match made in my DNA, what can I tell ya?  But I feel that the GTD zooms out the camera to take a panoramic picture of my DNA, not just blood type.  I feel this could be the start of something great, people!  I'm certainly going to give it a good, long try.  At first, between coping with my dying kitty and coming down with coldzilla and all, I really couldn't judge, but even then I instantly felt more "relaxed" when shopping, like, it was joyous reaching for those superfoods, especially the old and much-missed BFFs like oatmeal and cottage cheese, and making new friends like ostrich and bison.  I can't wait to try ostrich again when I can actually TASTE it, as opposed to when I was coming down with coldzilla and barely could.  Even then, I could tell it had this great taste like very lean beef or something.  Coolio!

Not only is there something relaxed and relaxing about the GTD to me, but again, even if I was getting this cold anyway, I think somehow the G2 diet helped it "go deep" and clear out a lot of pent-up toxins and other stuff that needed OUT.  I could feel my body letting go of toxins, stress, etc.  I could actually feel it all flowing out.  The sound effect for going onto the G2 diet for me would be "aaaaaaaaaaaaaah".  NICE.

I've had some struggles with not eating enough veggies, but I just need to get myself and my choices calibrated properly on this thing, and I'll be off to the races.

Make no mistake:  the BTD is still a part of me.  Sometimes it will inform my diet choices.  Sometimes, where the two diets conflict about something, you just never know, I might "veer BTD".  Maybe just once in a while.  Maybe all the time on one specific thing.  I don't know yet, I'm still just getting into this thing and figuring out how it fits and how I want to "tailor it".

Mercedes, what veggies did you eat before that you are so missing now?  It sounds like you don't much like any veggies, at least any green ones.  Tomatoes are a Gatherer superfood, do you like those?  And onions, and mushrooms, they go well in so many things.  Mushrooms!  Yes!  I forgot to get some of those last night!  See, I'm still trying to retrain myself.  Years of breezing past mushrooms and I breezed again yesterday *lol*.  I also love bamboo shoots, but I am going to have to figure out where, if anywhere, I can get some high-quality, good ones around here.  And don't forget neutrals like green beans--wait, they are green and you don't like anything green, so okay, what about artichokes?  They went from beneficial on the BTD to neutral, but hey, neutral is allowable and artichoke hearts are great in basically ANYTHING (I am talking about the fresh ones, cooked and then taken out from the leaves, and drowned in some ghee and sea salt, or pesto, or used in any dish in place of, say, sweet potato...oh yeah, babe!).

Next time I shop, I'm going to remember things like artichoke and mushroom, etc.  I think I just need to get the hang of things.  There ARE veggies we can have, guys!

But, hey, anyone who chooses the BTD is choosing a glorious diet, far as I'm concerned.  It's a win-win situation:  BTD, GTD, it's all profoundly good.

I'm just choosing to try this new thaaaang and see how she goes.  So far, so good!

edited to add:  the more I have a think on the whole concept of MUSHROOMS, the more excited I'm getting.  I think a lot of this is just a matter of retraining ourselves and learning that, while we have to give up some old friends, we also are geting a LOT of foods BACK and we just probably haven't even comprehended it all yet, ya know?
Posted by: Drea, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 7:27pm; Reply: 20
Peppy, I just love your enthusiasm!
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 7:31pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from Drea
Peppy, I just love your enthusiasm!

:D  Hey, all I know is:  Dr. D. has never steered me wrong yet, so I'm just going to let the man do the driving!  Eventually, I'll get the hang of the new car.

Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 7:44pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from Lisalea
Hi everybody,
As for myself, the last three nights my reflux's been worst than ever and I've had to further lift my bed to try to get some sleep ...  I'm being quite compliant with GT, hence this is really frustrating and confusing  :-/

Can it possibly be a severe detox symptom  and has anybody else had THAT type of detox reaction  ??)

Any advice would be really appreciate ... Please share folks, thanks a bunch  :K) ;D ;) :)



I don't think reflux is a detox symptom.  It used to be problem I had before I started on the
BTD because I was eating way more animal protein than I could tolerate.  The "A" diet is
more plant based.  I've never had reflux on the A diet.

Can you test your saliva's ph and see if you're alkaline or maybe too acidic?  Often when I
was too acidic, I would have reflux.  You might need to eat a more alkalizing diet. (more
fruits and veggies).

Have you been tested for H Pylori?  Or are you eating way more protein than before and possibly don't have enough HCL to break it down ?  Possibly you can try digestive enzymes. Or probiotics.  Chew your food very carefully.

I can only suggest to you what helped me when I felt I had a negative reaction to an abrupt
change in my diet..  I went back to the basic type A diet (In your case, type B) and stayed there a few days.  Waited until I felt fine and took one new food and tried eating it often.   Kept everything else the same.  Then eliminated one food from the toxin list.  If you do this one food at a time and keep a food diary, you might  figure out what caused your reflux.

Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 7:57pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from Lisalea
Hi everybody,
As for myself, the last three nights my reflux's been worst than ever and I've had to further lift my bed to try to get some sleep ...  I'm being quite compliant with GT, hence this is really frustrating and confusing  :-/

Can it possibly be a severe detox symptom  and has anybody else had THAT type of detox reaction  ??)

Any advice would be really appreciate ... Please share folks, thanks a bunch  :K) ;D ;) :)



Foods known to aggravate GERD


Citrus fruits
Chocolate
Drinks with caffeine
Fatty and fried foods
Garlic and onions
Mint flavorings
Spicy foods
Tomato-based foods


Posted by: Olerica, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 8:00pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from Mercedes
(Sorry, you can't sell me on the glory of asparagus ;))


I don't know how you are preparing your asparagus, but have you ever BROILED it?  I (used to) take FRESH thin asparagus, trim it, toss it with a little olive oil and lay it out on a sheet pan.  Then I'd sprinkle it with a bit of sea salt and broil until slightly browned and then flip and brow the other side.  

On the BTD, I'd do that instead of french fries (they are THAT good!)  I don't like mushy asparagus, so I don't eat canned or boiled asparagus, and you'd have to do a lot of convincing to tell me that frozen is much better.

I hope you try the asparagus the way described above.  It's SO good!
Posted by: Kristin, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 8:18pm; Reply: 25
I find it interesting that a few of us B's (myself included) have been having issues with unstable energy and blood sugar crashes. I do not consider these to be symptoms of detox. And we are not the same genotype either.

I'm going to give it the old college try.. mainly because I think the theory/science behind it is fascinating but I was one of those people that did quite well on the BTD. So in the end...I am speculating that I will create my own synthesis that works best for me, keeping in mind the major premises/principles of both.
Posted by: kipperkid, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 8:31pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from OSuzanna
kipperkid, I don't see goat cheese listed, just goat milk as a black dot avoid, so the goat cheese would be a neutral, unless I missed something ;D


Yep, you're right.... guess I registered the goat's milk as black dot and assumed the cheese was the same.  I think it's going to take some time before these lists are correctly stuck in my brain!  So that's good, goat's cheese will be an occasional possibility.  I'm assuming sheep's cheeses are also neutral's since there is no mention of them.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 8:31pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from Kristin
I find it interesting that a few of us B's (myself included) have been having issues with unstable energy and blood sugar crashes. I do not consider these to be symptoms of detox.

They can be symptoms of transitioning from one diet to another, though, especially from the standard American diet to the Type O BTD, for example, as the type of energy/fuel that the body runs on is TOTALLY changed from refined carb-based to protein-based.  Once the "gears shift", you are fine, MUCH better off, actually, but during the gear shift, there could be some grinding and some drag.

Perhaps for some, going from the BTD to the GTD also elicits some temporary blood sugar issues, as again, we are all still learning which of the new foods we do best on and what proportion of our diet which kind of food (like grains, veggies or fruits) should actually be on the new plan, etc.

That said, again, anyone who gives it a fair try and concludes that they do better on the BTD, more power to you, the BTD is righteous!  And anyone who doesn't even opt to try the GTD, as they are quite happy with the BTD, more power to you, too!  I'm just sayin' that I hope those who are trying the GTD will give it a good, long, fair try before concluding that it isn't as ideal for them as the BTD was/is.  Because, as with anything, there is a learning curve, in this case in terms of what foods of those we are adding back and of those that carry over from BTD can we use in place of those we are giving up?  And, like for O nons, now that we can have so many more grains, should we?  Or should we relax and enjoy the ones that are superfoods, but not up to the maximum allowed daily serving, instead opting to remain focused on veggies and fruits instead?  Stuff like that.  Learning curve.  That's all I'm saying.  Once you allow yourself to go through the curve with an open mind, then you ("you" meaning "we all") can make an educated, fully informed choice about which of the two diet systems works best for you as an individual.

(woot)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, January 24, 2008, 8:43pm; Reply: 28
It is mentioned about "de tox" symptoms on the GTD, but what about the people who are very compliant on the BTD?  How much "de tox" do they need? It's not like they've been following a Standard American diet or something?  Unless they mis-calculated and think they're the wrong GenoType.  
Posted by: Jenny, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 9:06pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from meribelle
I don't know if it is because I am not 100 percent compliant, but I don't feel as full of pep and as energetic as I did on the O nonnie diet.  I was not 100 percent compliant on it either.  I am hungry more often and tired more easily.  I am seriously considering going back to my nonnie way of eating.  Does anyone else have these issues?


Just a quick answer, I was happy on the BTD and even better on the GTD, just love all those new items and I don't even feel that I need much detoxing. May even purchase a weight machine which I haven't owned since I was a teenager, just to monitor any possible weight loss (which is not my primary goal).
the logic of the new way really grabs me---lots of things other than blood type, feeding into the mix.By the way did anyone else see the news of an Australian girl who received a liver transplant some years ago and now has taken on the blood and marrow type of her donor? S'mazing.

Jenny 8)

Posted by: Gumby, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 9:27pm; Reply: 30
Not meant to increase anyone's stress...but for the people who are struggling...is there any possibility that you are incorrectly typed?  I just had to ask, in case.  There are a number of people who started out on one plan and then figured out they were something else.

I had only great things happen when I started the btd cold turkey, so I have no clue about detox symptoms.  Makes sense to stick with what works for you.

I am feeling great on the gtd, it is cleaning up some remaining issues that the btd helped but did not completely fix.  I also have the support of a Naturopath for other types of testing and supplementation, which has been key for me.  I feel like it's aaaaallll comin' together. ;D
Posted by: Mercedes, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 9:28pm; Reply: 31
You're right Twist, I've never really  been a vegetable gal. I survived 20 years on only tomatoes, potatoes, carrots and lettuce. (Forgot to mention carrots earlier). Veggies I'm missing: my carrots (so I bought some today for on my salad!), cabbage, broccoli (I know you relate on that one ;)). I eat a bit of rutabaga and turnip (from bennie to neutral). I hate mushrooms. I was at a restaurant, forgot to tell them not to put mushrooms on and spent 5 minutes picking every little piece out of the roast beef and out from the mozzerella, because I find them so absolutely icky. I like onions cut up small, and cooked with other things. I don't like them as a side. Same thing with celery and  peppers I can eat them on a salad cut up small, but I can't take a julliened piece, stick it in dip and eat it. Basically, all I like on the superfood list is tomato (which I've always eaten daily, if not 2-3 times daily), spinach, peppers and onions, with the previous caveats. Doesn't leave me with much room. (Even when you add in neutral veggies, because I can count the ones I eat on one hand...)

So pretty much, I'm taking back broccoli, carrots, cabbage and sweet potatoes. I'm going to try to make sure I only have one starch at a time (No carrots and sweet potatoes in the same meal). I'm going to avoid spelt, but if I have if I'm not going to freak. I'm going to keep my canola oil. When looking closely at it all, I'll pretty much be skipping to the post black dot part of GTD. (Including bananas!! l))
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 9:47pm; Reply: 32
I wish there was a way to be absolutely certain that what some of us are calling food intolerances
or detox issues is maybe because we've mistyped ourselves and perhaps are eating (some) incompatible foods for our true genotype.

Even with the BTD, there were those who didn't quite perfectly fit with all the food choices
listed. For example, now the type As are divided into geno groups of  Warrior's bodies being more soy friendly and Teacher, not.

So what if there are more genotypes than the ones presented so far?  What if in time an
update to this book further divides some of us into more specific categories...those who
don't tolerate dairy, or possibly other foods.

The more people who try the diet, the more data that surfaces and the more there is to learn.

My gut feeling is that there are truly more genotypes than just these 6 or else sub-types exist.

I have mostly Explorer traits but the wrong rh factor and secretor status to be classified as such. I think there needs to be a way to put more people into this category of "sensitive
reactors" regardless of their physical measurements.

Just my two cents~




Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Thursday, January 24, 2008, 10:42pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from Olerica


I don't know how you are preparing your asparagus, but have you ever BROILED it?  I (used to) take FRESH thin asparagus, trim it, toss it with a little olive oil and lay it out on a sheet pan.  Then I'd sprinkle it with a bit of sea salt and broil until slightly browned and then flip and brow the other side.  

On the BTD, I'd do that instead of french fries (they are THAT good!)  I don't like mushy asparagus, so I don't eat canned or boiled asparagus, and you'd have to do a lot of convincing to tell me that frozen is much better.

I hope you try the asparagus the way described above.  It's SO good!


Thanks so much for this.
  I was trying to eat it today and I had to disguise it with Tuna.  I'm now anxious to try this new way and have a new vegie in my life.  
Posted by: kate4975, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 11:13pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from Olerica


I don't know how you are preparing your asparagus, but have you ever BROILED it?  I (used to) take FRESH thin asparagus, trim it, toss it with a little olive oil and lay it out on a sheet pan.  Then I'd sprinkle it with a bit of sea salt and broil until slightly browned and then flip and brow the other side.  

On the BTD, I'd do that instead of french fries (they are THAT good!)  I don't like mushy asparagus, so I don't eat canned or boiled asparagus, and you'd have to do a lot of convincing to tell me that frozen is much better.

I hope you try the asparagus the way described above.  It's SO good!


Oh, yes, broiled is the way to go. I also like a little grated cheese on mine (cheese makes everything better). Parmesan, romano and mozarella are all good choices, if you can have them.

Posted by: Eric, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 11:28pm; Reply: 35
My sister in-law works at the ER in the hospital, and she says that everytime somebody comes in with a drug overdose, she injects them with some kinda chemical that completely detoxes them.. and every time, they go through a series of uncontrollable yawning.  Which apparently is the sign of detoxing.  Ever since I heard that, and maybe it's just my mind playing games with me, I start to yawn when my body clears out c**p I ate that I shouldn't have.. and then I get really hungry.   I can't seem to sleep when I have avoids in my body.  And when things are working well, I can sleep for 13 or 14 hours..  
So yeah, when I eat figs & things that were previously avoids, I actually feel kinda tired, but I feel better at the same time.  I dunno, it's weird.
Posted by: Brighid45, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 11:31pm; Reply: 36
Kate, the first time I ever liked asparagus was having the fresh stalks broiled and served with a little olive oil and a bit of pecorino. Absolute heaven! :)

I'm going to give myself a good long time to experiment and see which aspects of the BTD and the GTD help me find healing. I'm with PT though, if anyone wants to stick with the BTD, go for it! Whatever works best for you is what you do.
Posted by: Chloe, Friday, January 25, 2008, 12:08am; Reply: 37
Quoted from Eric
My sister in-law works at the ER in the hospital, and she says that everytime somebody comes in with a drug overdose, she injects them with some kinda chemical that completely detoxes them.. and every time, they go through a series of uncontrollable yawning.  Which apparently is the sign of detoxing.  Ever since I heard that, and maybe it's just my mind playing games with me, I start to yawn when my body clears out c**p I ate that I shouldn't have.. and then I get really hungry.   I can't seem to sleep when I have avoids in my body.  And when things are working well, I can sleep for 13 or 14 hours..  
So yeah, when I eat figs & things that were previously avoids, I actually feel kinda tired, but I feel better at the same time.  I dunno, it's weird.


Does Yawning Have a Purpose?


Yawning is as contagious as measles and as common as a cold. Just thinking about it can trigger a yawn.

Yawning is often connected to sleepiness, but experts say that's not always the cause. A yawn - which lasts about six seconds - can signal boredom, anxiety or even hostility. There's a greater than 50 percent chance that you will yawn simply because you see someone else doing so.

Yawning is not just a human response. Most animals yawn, including fish, birds, rats and snakes. Even fetuses have been observed to yawn in the womb.

Some benefits of a good yawn are that it exercises our jaw and facial muscles and stretches our lungs. It also increases blood flow to the brain, raises our heart rate and helps with breathing. The result is that we feel a little more awake afterwards.

The reason we yawn is not completely understood. One theory is that it is a protective reflex. When we yawn, we redistribute a chemical that helps lubricate our lungs. If we never yawned, taking a deep breath would be harder.

Frequent yawning can be linked to some illnesses. These include multiple sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's disease, heart problems or Parkinson's disease. If you have a cold, allergy or sinus problem, you may find yourself yawning more than usual, too.

Some believe that ancient tribes yawned to synchronize sleep times. Because the yawn is contagious, it helped tribe members to fall asleep at the same time. All of them would then be ready to start hunting at the same time. Another theory is that yawning was a sign of aggression among early men. The flashing of the open mouth and teeth warned others not to attack while they were sleeping.



Posted by: RHTeacher, Friday, January 25, 2008, 1:20am; Reply: 38
I love asparagus too!  I can handle eating canned asparagus but I like frozen or fresh when it is steamed.  I think I might like it a lot on the grill too.  I will have to try it that way. Salmon and asparagus - a meal in itself!!!
Posted by: meribelle, Friday, January 25, 2008, 2:08am; Reply: 39
Quoted from Peppermint Twist

:D  Hey, all I know is:  Dr. D. has never steered me wrong yet, so I'm just going to let the man do the driving!  Eventually, I'll get the hang of the new car.



I THINK THIS WILL BE MY MOTTO FOREVER.  HOORAY FOR DR. D.!!!

Tonight I was reading all of your posts and am deciding that either way is good.  As long as I follow Dr. D's plans, I can't fail.
Posted by: Melissa_J, Friday, January 25, 2008, 3:32am; Reply: 40
Quoted from kipperkid
I thought on GTD goat's cheese was a black dot for gatherers?  Have I got that wrong?  I kinda hope so, 'cos I used to have it very occasionally.


I used goat milk to make farmer's cheese, as I don't think the type of milk makes a difference in the rating and farmer's cheese is a superfood.  (Mozzarella is a black dot, whether it's cow or water buffalo, for instance) I don't know if I'm right in thinking that, but since goat milk is rated higher than cow's milk, I figured the SB cheeses made with goat milk would be even better than the cow versions.  Not sure.

I don't see goat chevre listed anywhere I've looked yet.

Posted by: northstar, Friday, January 25, 2008, 7:13am; Reply: 41
Well, I have read almost every health book out there.

Because each body is unique and we may have medical conditions, we need to go gently and find out what works and what does not. I read it takes at least 3 weeks to break in a new habit and for our bodies to adjust to a new diet. So, I would give it at least a month.

One other thing, I suggest a detox first. I used a 21-day detox, but whatever works for you. This will flush your liver and give it a rest. We are assimilating so many toxins, both from the environment and from our food (all the hormones, antibiotics, pesticides, etc.) that our liver is working overtime. It cannot always process these toxins and it may be
stored in parts of our bodies. So, flush out and then introduce new foods one at time, in simple form and see how your body reacts. It so happens that with trial and error I did and guess what, it is compabitable with the Warrior diet. I see the Warrior diet as my maintenance diet.

Be flexible and listen to your body. Balance is the key. If we take too much salt or sugar we need to cut down and balance it out. Consider what conditions your body has and you may need medical help. I wish I had a doctor like Dr. D here in Tokyo. I would like to finetune what I ingest even further, especially in the way of supplementation.

One last thing, most of the books on diet and health agree, stay away from the 3 whites: wheat (processed), sugar and white rice. If you cannot get free range meat, stay away from it--too many chemicals inside the feed fed to cattle, pigs and poultry. Limit your dairy. And whenever possible eat a good portion of vegies, fruit and whole grains everyday. Fish is good if you stay from tuna and swordfish (because high levels of mercury). Well this is all very simplified of course. Whether you can tolerate meat, dairy and so on will depend on the condition of your body type and GTD or if you prefer BTD.

So, my feeling is that the other so-called healthy diets give you general guidelines which is a good start and gets you started on the road to healthy eating. But I chose Dr. Dadamo's
recommendations as I consider the diets are more finetuned and my body does well on them.

I have much more energy, now knee pains, I lost 6.6lbs in the last month and my chronic sore throat (had of and on for years) is gone. So, for my body, the GTD works!

There is NO perfect diet, not yet. But we are getting there. Meanwhile listen to your body, experiment and decide what is right for you.

(Didn't mean to sound so preachy. Just my thoughts on the subject.)

Wish I could meet you all!!! You are my BTD and GTD family!!! ;D
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Friday, January 25, 2008, 8:12am; Reply: 42
I feel much better on the GTD, personally... except for the cinnamon.  I just can't have cinnamon; I've tried it since GTD came out, and it gives me nosebleeds.  However, the GTD also gives me permission to have parmesan and romano cheeses, when I've been told I can never have dairy, since the age of four.  And, you know what?  I've been having no adverse results on those cheeses!

With that said, the suggested supplements on the GTD are much better in my opinion.  Unlike the BTD, they really target my inflammation issues much better, and I'm planning on buying the Hunter 3-pack when I get financially recombobulated again, now that I've fully withdrawn from my other grad program.  
Posted by: Novelia, Friday, January 25, 2008, 8:15am; Reply: 43
Chloe, I enjoyed reading about the possible reasons for yawning,  Thanks for posting them!

Also, I agree that having more than 6 GenoTypes makes sense or perhaps the main missing element is the difference between Secretors and Nonsecretors.

With gluten intolerance, I find it interesting that Dr. Kenneth Fine of EnteroLab https://www.enterolab.com/Home.htm has found that the majority of the people who test positive for gluten sensitivity are A blood types! He does stool testing, so are his results simply because As are more likely to be anal and opt for such testing? lol, probably not. :) He told me about the blood type correlation in a private e-mail. He collects a lot of data, so he should publish that if he's still finding it to be the case! :)

Posted by: Devora, Friday, January 25, 2008, 8:40am; Reply: 44
When I started on the BTD, almost 8 years ago, I felt TERRIBLE for an entire month.  Only after a month did I begin to feel better.

While the BTD did solve my long term throat infections, and wile it did make me almost immune to colds, I still managed to

1) Develop signs of arthritis while on the BTD (let's say it was brewing in my system for years before that)

2) My candida problems never were resolved, and I had to stay on a very low sugar (fruit) and grain diet to keep the candida at bay.

I JUST RECEIVED my GTD book here in Israel 2 days ago, though I have been following the diet (via the GTD website) since Jan 1.  I find it funny that no one has referred to the Town meeting!  

I imagine that my body was in a balance of sorts on the BTD.  Only some bad genes had control in some aspects, and they had me pinned with arthritis and candida.  Now, I am starting to empower some different genes, and the whole town meeting has turned into a bedlam.  The balance of power has been effected, and no one is in control.  My newly empowered anti-candida and anti-arthritis genes want to take the mike, but a battle is ensuing.  Those old genes are just too entrenched in their power to step aside easily.  In the meantime, my health is the one suffering.

I can't imagine that I would go back to the BTD, period.  Why was I on the BTD if not for my trust in Dr. D.  I must trust him now, too.  

I would give it at least 6 months before considering what to do.  
Posted by: Olerica, Friday, January 25, 2008, 9:03am; Reply: 45
Devora - Well said!
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Friday, January 25, 2008, 10:12am; Reply: 46
Devora,

My dad is a teacher, too, so I've seen firsthand what you're going through.

Being on the GTD is really recalibrating my body.  My metabolism is doing bizarre new things, and my abdominal fat is getting thinner.
Posted by: dawgmama, Friday, January 25, 2008, 2:24pm; Reply: 47
Yawning in horses is their way of coming down off of adrenaline. If a horse is all "fizzed up", and then the "threat" is gone, it will lower it's head and just yawn, and yawn. That is a good indicator that the horse is back in thinking mode. :)

So far, the GTD agrees with me. But.... I want a banana!!!! Argh... my hunters bananas in the fruit bowl are calling to me!! Help! ;D
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Friday, January 25, 2008, 3:16pm; Reply: 48
Some very good posts here. I think the more we understand about what is going on in our bodies, the more courage it gives us to keep up the battle. I went through a horrendous battle with systemic candida for a few years several years ago. One of the first supplements recommended to me for that was acidophilus - I was already taking a fairly balanced regimen of supplements. Weeeeelllll, the first day after I started taking acidophilus it felt exactly like there was a steel band tightening up around the upper part of my head and getting tighter by the minute. I was walking the floor crying and my nervous were shot. I desperately needed something to eat but couldn't even think WHAT to eat. The diet that was recommended for the first two weeks forbid anything but meat and carb free vegetables. After I got the hang of eating that way, it went much better.  Of course, the candida "die-off" toxin was what gave me the headache, and later I would have terrible abdominal pains when more colonies of this stuff would die off. There were all kinds of other pains popping up over a long period of time when this would happen in other parts of my body. I would get very discouraged, to say the least, but I had a very understanding doctor, family and friends. There were short periods of time, though, when the sun shined brighter than ever and I would be sublimely happy! Of course, that made the dark days even darker. The doctor had never in his life treated anyone with systemic candida, but he called specialists, read books and did everything he could to help me. During the worst of this problem, as anyone could imagine, I was deeply depressed because of the toxins. I felt exactly like something that had crawled out from under a moldy rock most of the time. In fact, mold was one of my greatest enemies.  All I had to do was smell the stuff and I would feel as if the entire floor had been snatched out from under me, and I would dissolve into tears. Open a an old book and I was done for. Even faint gas fumes affected me the same way. The amazing thing is that during that time I was hardly ever sick with anything else. People would look at me and think I was in perfect health!!! So, folks, I don't know what all kinds of problems there might be lurking in your bodies, of course, but my thought is this: if you want good health, you are going to have to work for it. There is no easy path. We live in a society that demands instant results, nothing less, but we need to be in this for the long haul. Or we could just quit now. It is our choice. I don't think I could have picked a worse time to start on this new regimen because of other very pressing things going on in my life, but I'm aiming at a very worthy, exciting goal. This board is a nice respite right now, as I feel it is for many others. So thighten up your boots and keep going forward - the next step might be the one that takes you right through the wall!!  (smile)
Posted by: Mercedes, Friday, January 25, 2008, 5:13pm; Reply: 49
Quoted from Devora

I can't imagine that I would go back to the BTD, period.  Why was I on the BTD if not for my trust in Dr. D.  I must trust him now, too.  
  
But, from what I've gleamed, Dr. D hasn't thrown out the BTD, (otherwise I'd assume this site would be on it's way out), so following the BTD is not going against Dr. D.

LOVED Suzanne's blog :K) :K) :K), though I have to figure out where she's quoting from.

Fact is for me, the only thing BTD hasn't done is made me my goal weight, but for the last 6 months I haven't been exercising much like a good O, and pre-christmas was way too much grain, way too much sugar (ah, sugar, neutral on BTD... ) and not near enough salads. Nothing that was "cheating" but not following portion guidelines. So I can't even really blame BTD for not helping me lose weight the last little while when I haven't been doing all I need to. (And I spent three months this summer in the custody of an employer training me, and boarding me, and not permitting me eat anything other than what was served to me... there was no compliance this summer, but a lot of deflect taken). So for the last 9 months, I'd give myself a C- on a BTD report card. I don't think it's fair for me to blame BTD for my current weight. And, if unlike in other people's cases, BTD gives me perfect health, why should I change it? I mean, seriously, BTD got rid of acne, depression, migraines, asthma, GERD, bad PMS, and 30lbs.

It's not like it's an "unhealthy" diet- I eat healthier than 90% of the people I know. And I *think* I read here (perhaps I need to start taking notes...) that Dr. D said the GTD was in part developed because he had people BTD didn't work well for. Well, then technically, GTD wasn't created for people like me. GTD is still in it's infancy, and I'm sure that there will be refinements later. Maybe I have some gene that really does make me an expluntherer... or at least a huntherer.

At this point however, I gave the GTD three weeks, with no noticeable improvements, and only felt worse on it. Never had that problem with BTD. So I'm going back to what feels right, with a few new insights.
Posted by: Drea, Friday, January 25, 2008, 6:55pm; Reply: 50
Quoted from Mercedes

At this point however, I gave the GTD three weeks, with no noticeable improvements, and only felt worse on it. Never had that problem with BTD. So I'm going back to what feels right, with a few new insights.


Taking responsibility for our own health is the best we can do; so if you feel better on the BTD, then by all means, do it. It's silly to be feeling bad eating a certain way when we could be feeling great eating another (imo).

Posted by: Mrs T O+, Friday, January 25, 2008, 7:15pm; Reply: 51
Several posts up someone said they suspect there are more GTs or many subgroups. I'm sure there are subgroups & maybe that's where the dots come in! It iwill be tough to completely be off all the dots for 3-6 months. At first I thought I could eat a dot I hadn't had for some time, so I had some cabbage the other day-the first time in ages! But I see to reprogram our genes, I would have to give up all the dots! Whew!

I'm hoping to be a hunter, but still need someone else to measure my torso, etc.
I made a list of the foods that were common to hunter & gatherer & find hunter easier. I can maintain the animal & veggie proteins, oils, drinks, etc. for both, but the fruits & veggies will be a pain if I prove to be a gatherer. At least the hunter can get some sweet potatoes or any rice for carb cravings, & I would only give up a few veggies, but boy, the gatherer gives little easy to get carbs & I would give up more beloved veggies & fruits. We will see.
Which is more harmful?--avoid animal proteins or fruits & veggies???? Or is it the lectin connection, which I suspect it is......
Sea Salt & Light,
Mrs "T"    O+  
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Friday, January 25, 2008, 8:35pm; Reply: 52
Mercedes, I am curious as to why you decided to try the Geno diet. As I've said before I definitely was beginning to have some problems that were a puzzle to me, and I just simply couldn't figure out what they were. So the Geno diet came at a good time for me. I think eating chicken was the biggest problem but, also, I was not eating enough beans, etc. And most of the veggies I ate were either avoids or not diamond foods for me - and I was eating them because I thought they were the best for me, NOT that they were great favorites!!! To tell you the truth, at first I was much more interested in which supplements Dr. D was going to offer for this diet. I had no idea that making a few changes in the way I was eating would make such an absolute mind-boggling difference in the way I felt mentally and physically. If I were you, I would hang onto the "new insights," as you said, get back on the BTD, lose the weight you want to lose and see how things go for a while. If something comes up that rings a bell and you start thinking about trying the new approach again - albeit, with modifications, go for it! Now, go have a banana and enjoy it!  (smile) (drool) (smile) And think about me enjoying my lucious cantaloupe again after this looooong deprivation!!!!  (smile) (drool) (smile) BTW, we would still like to hear from you about how you're doing!
Posted by: jayneeo, Friday, January 25, 2008, 9:31pm; Reply: 53
mercedes, go for it, girl! Best of luck. :)
Posted by: Janet, Friday, January 25, 2008, 10:32pm; Reply: 54
The title of this thread interested me....
Anybody looked at the blog at the top of the page "Which diet system is best for you?"
I took the test and it told me BTD....kinda knew it ;)
So perhaps anybody who is unsure about BTD or GTD could try the test.
Posted by: Mercedes, Friday, January 25, 2008, 10:38pm; Reply: 55
I tried GTD because I was getting serious about getting in shape again. LOVED BTD, thought, "hey, if this is the *NEW* research, the updated stuff, then I should feel even better/this should melt off the pounds" Obviously, that isn't the result I got. (Except a temp loss of 8lbs that was due to not eating enough food...)

If it wasn't that it was Dr. D's new diet, I wouldn't have even looked at it.

I just did the test... It said GTD. When I said no I don't want to lose weight, but kept all the others the same it was BTD. Alrighty then. I'm still sticking with BTD. I lost 30lbs on it, I'm sure I can lose the next 20 or so.
Posted by: Brighid45, Friday, January 25, 2008, 10:39pm; Reply: 56
I took the test and came up strongly GTD--and that makes sense for me. About a year or so ago, I was beginning to find that I felt better eating turkey and lamb over beef, and also needed to stop eating fruits like apples and blueberries because I stopped losing weight when I ate them. So this change is a good one for me.

Anyone who is confused about which food plan to follow, take the test in Dr. D's latest blog entry. (It's also up on the home page for the board.)

I love the BTD and am so glad we have it and the GTD to help us find healthy choices! We are blessed. :)
Posted by: Novelia, Friday, January 25, 2008, 10:56pm; Reply: 57
I just did the test too and 4 to 1 it's in favour of the BTD for me, not the GTD! But even so I know that it's the *A Nonnie* diet from Live Right not the A diet from Eat Right that is better for me. The very vegetarian A diet compromises my health a lot.

Now I feel confused! lol. I had assumed that GenoType would come out ahead.
Posted by: Gumby, Friday, January 25, 2008, 11:11pm; Reply: 58
It recommended the BTD for me, I only had a couple of 'yes' answers.  But I know the GTD is helping me a lot.  No question which one I am following. :)  The GTD is most definitely 'most suited to my needs'.  

Incidentally, the things that it is helping me with do not show up in the quiz.  Too specific and more fine tuning than what is probed at with the questions.  But no less impactful. :)
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Friday, January 25, 2008, 11:24pm; Reply: 59
I just took it & it said GT. I have cancer & vascular disease in my family, not alzheimers or arthritis. I have some chemical sensitivites. I don't age badly(but that's because I eat right! If I didn't, I think I would age badly.)I left thyroid blank. I take enough iodine/kelp, but if I didn't I might have that problem.
So, becuause I already made some improvememts, I may not have a proper reading.
What questions/answers relate to what diet? Is the BTD considered the beginning & if you have improved, you go to the GTD? Just because Alzheimers & arthritis don't run in my family doesn't mean I'm not prone to them. There are different environmental factors & I wasn't breastfed (altho I'm a La Leche fanatic myself!). I also used aluminum pans for some years, not knowing how bad they were.....
Dr. D, shed some light on this!
S S & L,
Mrs "T"    O+
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Friday, January 25, 2008, 11:29pm; Reply: 60
I just went back & pressed all nos & it said too close to call
with no bars at the bottom.

Then I pressed all yeses & it said too close to call with the bars at the bottom at equal length.

I hope I'm  not in the doghouse!!!! Woof! Woof!
Posted by: kate4975, Friday, January 25, 2008, 11:43pm; Reply: 61
I'm not noticing much difference yet but I'm still trying to figure out a varied meal plan (the ones on the GT site just don't make much sense for my life). I'm also still not sure about my husband's GT so I feel like I'm in a holding pattern until I can construct some meals around both our GTs and my daughter, who's an A. In the meantime, dinner is an actual meal but everything else is kind of snacking on the same foods each day with no real thought as to what time I'm eating or to food combining. I have noticed that I'm a little constipated, a problem I had before BTD but that greatly improved with the elimination of wheat. I haven't had many grains other than oat bran for breakfast most days and brown rice or pasta sometimes for lunch or dinner. I'm trying to figure out how to make bread with my compliant carbs so I can have more of those.

The questionnaire did direct me 100% to GTD though.
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Friday, January 25, 2008, 11:51pm; Reply: 62
Geno for me according to the test. Not surprised at all!(smile)
Posted by: Drea, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 1:40am; Reply: 63
I'm came in with the GTD, although I'm not surprised. Weight loss was the main issue that the BTD was just not helping me with (although it did help with a host of other issues).
Posted by: Curious, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 3:10am; Reply: 64
The GTD increased my backpain considerably. I stopped it a few days ago and am waiting for my pain to go back to 'normal' levels.
I read a few books on foods that cause pain, are neutral for pain and alleviate pains and I am going to incorporate these suggestions into the BTD (for example, I am going to avoid meat and eggs because they were found it to increase pain). Maybe this new way of eating will get rid of my pain entirely.
Posted by: TJ, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 3:22am; Reply: 65
I'm seeing candida mentioned here several times, and I figure I might as well ask something I've been wondering: is that what causes that yucky whitish coating on the back of my tongue?  I asked a Dr. about it years ago, who naturally brushed it off, claiming it was "normal".  I'd also heard that it's just little bits of food that stick to your tongue, but I seriously doubt that, since brushing it doesn't clear it away.

EDIT: I withdraw my question about the candida.  I'm so accustomed to the forum search not yielding any useful results that I didn't bother with it first, but then I had second thoughts and found a few useful threads anyway!
Posted by: meribelle, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 3:29am; Reply: 66
Has anyone read Dr. D's blog today (1/25/08) and taken the test?  Mine came out that the GTD should be the best for me.  
Posted by: Curious, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 3:40am; Reply: 67
For me, the test said that I would be better with the BTD. I wish the test had been available before I started the GTD - it would have saved me having really bad back pain when I followed the GTD. But I guess later is better than never.  8)
Posted by: Vicki, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 4:42am; Reply: 68
2:1 for genotype being better here!

Posted by: Jenny, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 5:23am; Reply: 69
Quoted from 2330
    And think about me enjoying my lucious cantaloupe again after this looooong deprivation!!!!  (smile) (drool) (smile) BTW, we would still like to hear from you about how you're doing!

And anchovy and cottage cheese, and navy beans and butter, and whole grain bread,and paw paw and  black tea and probably quite a few other neutrals that I haven't even realized yet.
Jenny, also drooling  8)

Posted by: GillianR, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 8:00am; Reply: 70
After taking the test I came out stronger on the BTD side but Genotype was very close.I have been on Genotype for 4 days. I am a bit worried about losing too much weight. Am already underweight. Finding I am frequently hungry on the Genotype diet but will stick it for a bit. :)
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Saturday, January 26, 2008, 8:35am; Reply: 71
Nothing in life is certain... the best we can do is make our best calculations and try various things.  

In light of this, I would say that, even with the occasional, seeming glitches in the new GTD system, it's still light-years beyond any of the other diets and protocols out there.  Truly, it's a jungle out there; occasionally I stick my head out the door and I quickly poke my head back in, as soon as the arrows start whizzing by.

The BTD didn't target symptomatology enough for me... the BTD Encyclopedia gave me too many protocol options, and it took me a good, long while to figure out what my abnormally pressing problem was, health-wise.  

But GTD understands that my problem is inflammation, right off the bat.  I started to figure that out right before GTD came out, as I was taking glucosamine sulfate, cayenne, ginger, and Deflect to take the swelling down, but nothing has worked like the GTD diet, and its targeted anti-inflammatory approach for Hunters like myself.

I just purchased the Hunter 3-pack of supplements, as I've been very, very pleased with the new diet and set of supplements.  If the supplements work -- and I know that they will, as they contain the new protocol supplements already -- I'll be recommending those, too, to people.

I already have both my apartment managers who've purchased testing kits and supplements from NAP, and I've done their Genotype measuring myself.  Soon I'll be placing orders for their secretor tests, and they'll be wowed by the results.
Posted by: meribelle, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 11:22am; Reply: 72
Quoted from Curious
For me, the test said that I would be better with the BTD. I wish the test had been available before I started the GTD - it would have saved me having really bad back pain when I followed the GTD. But I guess later is better than never.  8)


That is very interesting!! After it said I would do better on the GTD, I tried to fool it. (I am ashamed to say) No matter what I said it said GTD.  I was beginning to think it would never say, BTD.  Praise God again for Dr. D!  He has really made it better for us again with the short quiz.  Guess I know which one to follow for me.
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 4:49pm; Reply: 73
Quoted from Mrs T O+
I just went back & pressed all nos & it said too close to call
with no bars at the bottom.

Then I pressed all yeses & it said too close to call with the bars at the bottom at equal length.

I hope I'm  not in the doghouse!!!! Woof! Woof!


I played with the yesses and nos too to try and figure out which
questions pushed me more towards Genotype and which ones
towards BTD.  If you don't check you need to lose weight,
you're going to be pushed towards the BTD.  Arthritis is
going to push you towards the BTD as is chemical sensitivities.
I'm not really very overweight. I'm more sensitive, allergic
and achy from specific foods.  This is why the BTD was better for me than the Genotype diet. The Warrior diet contained too many inflammatory choices like dairy, chocolate, coffee, citrus
and didn't give me adequate detoxing supplements.  Both
diets are great, it's just a matter of finding the one that suits
you more perfectly.  For me, it's absolutely the type A diet
minus poultry, dairy, eggs & coffee.

Posted by: jayneeo, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 5:22pm; Reply: 74
chloe, I'm glad you found the right way for you.
I am sure my test would say GTD. now I'll go take it ...report back later.
Posted by: Lloyd, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 5:22pm; Reply: 75
Quoted from Chloe


I played with the yesses and nos too to try and figure out which
questions pushed me more towards Genotype and which ones
towards BTD.  If you don't check you need to lose weight,
you're going to be pushed towards the BTD.  Arthritis is
going to push you towards the BTD as is chemical sensitivities.
I'm not really very overweight. I'm more sensitive, allergic
and achy from specific foods.  This is why the BTD was better for me than the Genotype diet. The Warrior diet contained too many inflammatory choices like dairy, chocolate, coffee, citrus
and didn't give me adequate detoxing supplements.  Both
diets are great, it's just a matter of finding the one that suits
you more perfectly.  For me, it's absolutely the type A diet
minus poultry, dairy, eggs & coffee.



Good analysis. Some people might find advantageous ways to combine the two, where a simple adjustment can be made for a specific problem.

I view this as something that might happen when SWAMI-GenoType is released.
Posted by: jayneeo, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 5:24pm; Reply: 76
...yup. It's later, and the test confirmed my faith in the GTD.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 7:49pm; Reply: 77
I just took the test and got "too close to call."  Then I used the back button and changed just "Do you want to lose weight?" from "No" to "Yes" and got the Genotype diet.
Posted by: Devora, Sunday, January 27, 2008, 8:35am; Reply: 78
Spring - Nice post about your experience with candida (a few pages ago!)

I hope that I am only going through a detox.  I really don't feel that I have don't anything in particular to cause it.  I have taken probiotics and anti-fungals for years.  I never had a serious system rehaul in response to them, though.

In the meantime, I can't sleep well, I have a terrible cough, my lungs hurt, I have a headache most of the time, I am achey and weak, and my neck and back hurt.

Go GTD!
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Sunday, January 27, 2008, 10:02pm; Reply: 79
Someone said something about back pain. I had a little more muscle soreness, too. Maybe that is some form of detox or change. I didn't change my diet too much anyway. The O nonnnie is similar to hunter, which I hope to be.
Don't quit too soon, everyone. Of course you all can do all the similarities in the BTD & GTD & not plunge into extreme differences, like an O adding too much diary all of a sudden.
JMHO....
Mrs "T"    O+
Posted by: jayneeo, Sunday, January 27, 2008, 11:26pm; Reply: 80
that's what I did, I guess. I plunged into cottage cheese like it was manna from heaven. It didn't work out with my digestion. Most likely it is something I could have once a month or so. I use manchego cheese ...a bit every couple of days, just because I think some dairy is probably good. (It's a black dot food, but sits better with me. and I'm not overdoing it)
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, January 28, 2008, 12:24am; Reply: 81
Why is dairy specifically good for any of the types?   I've read that 70% of the world's
population can't digest dairy at all, so how is it that every group gets some form of dairy?

It's not stated that we get it from grass fed cows or that it be non fat or full fat (or IS it
stated somewhere?)

Let's say we've come from Asia and have been eating rice, veggies and some animal protein
every now and then, lots of tea but not foods like chocolate or cheese.  How would an Asian
person suddenly start finding benefits in eating a food their entire culture hasn't eaten?


Posted by: RedLilac, Monday, January 28, 2008, 12:30am; Reply: 82
In Dr. Ds ERFYT he addressed that issue.  He gave different portion sizes to different ethnic groups.  

Neither my son nor I have ever been lactose intolerant.  Were both Bs.  
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, January 28, 2008, 12:33am; Reply: 83
http://www.notmilk.com

Lots of scary information here.
Posted by: Lloyd, Monday, January 28, 2008, 1:53am; Reply: 84
Quoted from Chloe
Why is dairy specifically good for any of the types?   I've read that 70% of the world's
population can't digest dairy at all, so how is it that every group gets some form of dairy?




Dairy contains some things that are valuable to each of the different types, slightly different reasons for different types.

Posted by: Melissa_J, Monday, January 28, 2008, 2:54am; Reply: 85
Lactose Intolerance is separate from genotype, so whether it agrees with you or not, doesn't depend on genotype.  If it doesn't work for you, you can leave it out, just listen to your body.

Commercial cottage cheeses often have avoids, or buttermilk or cream added to them after they are turned into cheese.  I can't find any without at least cream, so farmer's cheese agrees better with me.  Some ricottas are good too.  

As for me, I'm finding it agrees with me much better than expected, as long as I get some without ingredients I can't handle.  It's helping with hunger, and hopefully it's helping with my calcium needs.
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Monday, January 28, 2008, 3:02am; Reply: 86
I agree that dairy is bad for most of the world. However, I think that cultured dairy is the way it should be eaten. So if you think you can eat dairy, eat yogurt or cheese. Some yogurts & cheeses probably aren't cultured properly, so you dairy eaters need to check that out!
It is too bad that for so many decades the government feels that kids should get milk in schools. To me, it's about as bad as giving soda pop to kids.
Got milk? No, I don't!
Mrs "T"     O+
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Monday, January 28, 2008, 3:06am; Reply: 87
I have occasionally used ricotta, feta, pecorino romano and mozzarella while on the btd.  I have been eating cottage, farmers and ricotta on the gtd.  I have been gaining while following this plan,and
now I have a full flegded cold.  I still want to advocate the diet (gtd) but I am convinced that I am reacting to the dairy and also the beans...tried soup with cannelini, that I usually can eat.  Also tried white northern in a chili I made and lupini's from a jar.  
I, like Mercedes, feel like I can relate to the hunter, explorer and gatherer as an O....so I am going back to the wheat free, lower dairy, lower beans type O diet.  At least for now.  When I am well again, maybe I'll try the gtd again.  But I am also breaking out more,
which I blame on the dairy.  Maybe this is the kick in the pants to follow the btd more compliantly in my personal case.....not a bad thing! :)
Posted by: Mercedes, Monday, January 28, 2008, 4:48am; Reply: 88
hehe, and the ranks of the expluntherer grow! ;D Welcome Paula, Welcome!
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Monday, January 28, 2008, 6:17am; Reply: 89
Quoted from Devora
Spring - Nice post about your experience with candida (a few pages ago!)

I hope that I am only going through a detox.  I really don't feel that I have don't anything in particular to cause it.  I have taken probiotics and anti-fungals for years.  I never had a serious system rehaul in response to them, though.

In the meantime, I can't sleep well, I have a terrible cough, my lungs hurt, I have a headache most of the time, I am achey and weak, and my neck and back hurt.

Go GTD!


Devora, I'm wondering what kind of anti-fungals you are taking. Another thing, I have another story about the castor oil. I was going through a very stressful time about eleven years ago and developed some sort of very painful inflamation in the lining of my chest which affected my entire upper chest - inside and out. I was given medication at the time which helped with the worst of the pain but I was left with a deep soreness all over my upper chest. About a year ago I decided to try castor oil on it because it dawned on me that it was pointless to be going around with that kind of pain if there was a chance that castor oil would help. Now, remember this had been going on for ten years...! I massaged the oil all over my upper chest really well and waited to see what would happen.  To my surprise within a few minutes the pain began to go away and the best part is that it has never returned. It was one of the most amazing things, and I won't soon forget it! Some types of knee pain respond the same way to castor oil. Shoulder pain sometimes only has to be treated once for a cure. It sounds to me as if you need some really good massages with castor oil all over your body. But not all at once. I really am curious about the anti-fungals. The reason being that I was on Nystatin a long time, too long, in fact. I didn't need it anymore but was afraid to stop taking it. I developed a swallowing problem and Nystatin was one of the things that I simply could not get down anymore as a liquid. I put the powder in capsules for a while after that and got them down with bananas, but I was taking about a fourth of the original dose. I began to notice that I was doing better and decided to stop it altogether. I was just reading your symptoms, and some of them really make me wonder if you aren't detoxing, but others I wonder if you're eating something that isn't working for you OR that you are being exposed to something externally that is making you feel terrible. I would drink lots and lots of water or other liquids for your lungs and the cough. I never take any pain remedies except an aspirin once in a long while, but some of these pain remedies that others have mentioned on this board might help you. If you get some relief from the pain, it might help you sort out what is going on. As you probably have already learned a long time ago, we have to be our own detectives sometimes. You may be feeling much better by now, and I truly hope so. This diet brings on more excitement every day for me even though I, too, am having some detox. I am still taking Deflect from NAP which helps me quit a bit. I love the ARA Plus caps too. That is great for the immune system and I think that is very important right now. Am not sure I will be giving these up even with the new supplements I will be getting later. Take good care of yourself! (smile)

Posted by: Lola, Monday, January 28, 2008, 6:23am; Reply: 90
check the Castor Oil Liver Cleanse for explorers....
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Monday, January 28, 2008, 6:32am; Reply: 91
Quoted from Lola
check the Castor Oil Liver Cleanse for explorers....



Lola, I've read that and was glad to see that it was included in this book. It certainly isn't as awful as some of the other castor oil cleanses I've read about!
Posted by: Devora, Monday, January 28, 2008, 8:25am; Reply: 92
Spring,

Thanks for those wonderful health tips!  I shall head out to get some castor oil today!

I do'nt always take anti-fungals.  Usually I only take them when I am in a bad state, candida wise.  If things are only slightly bad, I may take Metagenics Candi-Bactin. If things are worse, there is nothing like Diflucan (flucanazole).

Lately I have been OK, so I have not been taking them.  I CERTAINLY wouldn't take them with a BANANA!!!  

I take VSL powder packets professional probiotic.

I may just have a virus, but USUALLY (or usually on the BTD) I was vertually IMMUNE to colds and viruses!  

I see you are from the southeast.  I grew up in Birmingham, Alabama.  I went to college at LSU.  Where are you located?    
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Monday, January 28, 2008, 2:18pm; Reply: 93
Thanks Mercedes, I love that term "expluntherer"! ;D
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Monday, January 28, 2008, 3:37pm; Reply: 94
Quoted from Devora
Spring,

Thanks for those wonderful health tips!  I shall head out to get some castor oil today!

I do'nt always take anti-fungals.  Usually I only take them when I am in a bad state, candida wise.  If things are only slightly bad, I may take Metagenics Candi-Bactin. If things are worse, there is nothing like Diflucan (flucanazole).

Lately I have been OK, so I have not been taking them.  I CERTAINLY wouldn't take them with a BANANA!!!  

I take VSL powder packets professional probiotic.

I may just have a virus, but USUALLY (or usually on the BTD) I was vertually IMMUNE to colds and viruses!  

I see you are from the southeast.  I grew up in Birmingham, Alabama.  I went to college at LSU.  Where are you located?    


Devora, I now take my supplements with apple sauce.  (smile)  Even before I knew bananas were not my best fruit choice, I got tired of the hassle of trying to keep "just right" bananas in the house all the time. But I still think I like bananas - it has been so long since I tasted one, I'm not sure! About the fungal problem, it bothers me that you are still having intermittent overgrowth and the aggravation that comes with it. This diet may be just what you need to give this stuff the heave-ho once and for all. (smile) I have family living in B'ham, small world indeed!
Posted by: shells, Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 12:38pm; Reply: 95
Quoted from Chloe


I played with the yesses and nos too to try and figure out which
questions pushed me more towards Genotype and which ones
towards BTD.  If you don't check you need to lose weight,
you're going to be pushed towards the BTD.  



I did this also....and found that if you clicked yes to absolutely everything except weight loss BTD is your diet.  My problem with this is no matter what the genetic problems are the better diet is always BTD if no weight issue!!!

::)  :X   :'(
Posted by: shells, Wednesday, January 30, 2008, 12:55pm; Reply: 96
Maybe it's just a glitch with the little test....I don't know.  

My GTD book should arrive any day now.  I was so looking forward to a diet that would address the dementia, bi-polar and depression that runs through our family on both sides.

What to do?    ??)  
Posted by: Gumby, Wednesday, January 30, 2008, 2:32pm; Reply: 97
My test said BTD, but I am finding the GTD is helping me a lot.  So I would say give it a try and decide for yourself! :)  Modify things to work for you.
Posted by: TJ, Wednesday, January 30, 2008, 2:58pm; Reply: 98
Quoted from Gumby
My test said BTD, but I am finding the GTD is helping me a lot.  So I would say give it a try and decide for yourself! :)  Modify things to work for you.


Hear hear, Gumby!  I paid for that book, I'll be darned if I don't use it!  And if it doesn't do the trick for me, I'll go back to plain old BTD.
Posted by: shells, Friday, February 1, 2008, 3:33am; Reply: 99
You are so right.....I feel the same and I'll certainly be doing the GTD and see how it compares.

Maybe the test should have a review of the weights on the questions, as I couldn't get a recommendation for GTD without weight loss no matter what

:o   ??)    :o
Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, February 1, 2008, 3:55am; Reply: 100
Quoted from shells


I did this also....and found that if you clicked yes to absolutely everything except weight loss BTD is your diet.  My problem with this is no matter what the genetic problems are the better diet is always BTD if no weight issue!


Try checking yes for a few of the following (whatever is appropriate) and leaving all the other questions  blank or check no:

Does diabetes run in your family? Yes
Does dementia (Alzheimer's disease) run in your family? Yes
Does cancer run in your family? Yes  
Does hypertension run in your family? Yes    
Are you hungry a great deal of time? Yes  
Do you appear to be aging faster than friends the same age as you? Yes

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