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Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, January 23, 2008, 8:33pm
Don't miss Dr. Peter D'Adamo this week on a special weight-loss edition of "The View!" Tune in Friday at 11 a.m. on ABC (or check local listings for show time in your area).

this is exciting!! ;)
Posted by: mikeo, Wednesday, January 23, 2008, 9:11pm; Reply: 1
those ladies on the View won't give him a chance to explain anything....they are all yappers and don't know when to listen...otherwise...good exposure
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 23, 2008, 9:11pm; Reply: 2
Quoted from Lola
Don't miss Dr. Peter D'Adamo this week on a special weight-loss edition of "The View!" Tune in Friday at 11 a.m. on ABC (or check local listings for show time in your area).

this is exciting!! ;)

To be said to the tune of Elaine on Seinfeld:

:D  "Get OUT!!!!!!!!!!"   :D

Dr. D. is going to be on The View?!  How totally and UTTERLY awesome!  I'm talking colossal awesomeness!  This is going to be major, major exposure!  Maybe the world is ready now for a healthy, non-reductionist, individualized diet.  Weeeee!  I knew there was a reason I decided to stay here a tad late today in order to get a moment to peruse the board!  I have been very busy today at work and only got about five minutes of board perusal time in earlier today.  Well, that is not sufficient for my daily "board fix", so I just had to stay late and I'm glad I did, because this is very exciting news indeed!  I shall definitely program my VCR (...what?  So some of us are still in the dark ages, what of it?   ;D ) to catch Friday's View.  Thanks for posting this news flash, Lo-lo-lo-lo-Lola!!!!
Posted by: kate4975, Wednesday, January 23, 2008, 9:34pm; Reply: 3
Don't feel badly, PT. I don't have any means of recording the program so I hope they will have video on the abc.com site to view after it airs.
Posted by: Dr. D, Wednesday, January 23, 2008, 10:31pm; Reply: 4
i'm not on the view (thank god). they are doing the diets, but without the authors.
Posted by: OSuzanna, Wednesday, January 23, 2008, 10:57pm; Reply: 5
Oh.

Hey, at least the diet will get mentioned on a well-watched show! Um, discussed favorably, I hope, tho I have no unrealistic expectations.;)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 3:13pm; Reply: 6
Oh.  Well, Lola, I just tried to Google info. on this week's View, to see if it mentions the Genotype Diet in particular, and I came across the following blurb from the Genotype Diet site, is this where you got the info. from?  From this:

"DON'T MISS THESE DATES!
Friday, February 25, 2008, 11:00 a.m.
Dr. Peter D'Adamo will be a guest on a special weight-loss edition of "The View."

If so:

1.  It isn't this Friday, it is the 25th of Feb (my mom's b-day!).

2.  It does say Dr. D. is a guest, so that is erroneous 411, according to Dr. D.'s post here.  Someone should alert the Genotype Diet webmaster(s) to change it to just say that the Genotype Diet will be one of the featured diets or one of the diets discussed or something, but not that Dr. D. will be a guest.

Anyway...I'm still going to tape it and see what the gals say about it.  It will probably be, like, one sentence.  I hope it is a positive sentence *lol*.  But any publicity is good publicity, or so "they" say.  (Whoever "they" are.)
Posted by: Brighid45, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 4:13pm; Reply: 7
Definitely worth watching! Too bad Dr. D isn't going to be there (although I think that might just be a little too close to his own personal vision of hell, LOL), but fingers crossed the GTD gets positive exposure. As Suzanna said, no unrealistic expectations, but what the heck! :)
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 4:28pm; Reply: 8
got the info as is, from the gtd newsletter they are sending their clients!
hope the review is well documented!
Posted by: AnnA, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 5:05pm; Reply: 9
Hi,
We have asked the people at GenoTypeDiet.com to make corrections to their info.  The GenoType Diet was one of several diets that they will be discussing on Friday's show.  
Ann
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 6:33pm; Reply: 10
So it is this Friday (as in, manana) then, and not Feb. 25th?

Gotta know what to tell my VCR.
Posted by: OSuzanna, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 7:17pm; Reply: 11
My vcr & I aren't speaking these days, so I'll have to put a post-it on the alarm clock and then one on the TV and one on the bathroom mirror and one on the...(ondrugs)
Posted by: sluggerbean, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 7:23pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from Peppermint Twist
So it is this Friday (as in, manana) then, and not Feb. 25th?
Yep.  Fridays in February are 1, 8, 15, 22, 29.  ;)
Posted by: mikeo, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 7:34pm; Reply: 13
I'm sure someone will tape it and post it on Youtube for all to see
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 10:31pm; Reply: 14

... and if they don't say very much about the GTD, maybe somebody could post it here, for the benefit of us impoverished souls with dial-up Internet access?  Or if they DO say very much, at least the gist of it?   :K)


Maybe I'll actually watch it, but ...
Quoted from OSuzanna
... I'll have to put a post-it on the alarm clock and then one on the TV and one on the bathroom mirror and one on the...
... I may not be done with my morning puttering by then.   ;D

Posted by: kate4975, Thursday, January 24, 2008, 10:44pm; Reply: 15
What would be great would be to see Dr. D on The Colbert Report (because I am in love with Steven). Dr. D probably wouldn't get to say much about his book but it would probably be a funny exchange (because Steven's always funny).
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Friday, January 25, 2008, 8:20am; Reply: 16
Dr. D ideally belongs on the Charlie Rose Show:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-teach/m-1200431174/
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, January 25, 2008, 3:35pm; Reply: 17
I think, and have said for eons, that the ideal venue for Dr. D. to present his non-sound-byte-fitting, anti-reductionist ideas to the world would be a PBS special, you know, the kind they have during pledge drives.  The kind wherein the speaker gets to talk for HOURS and present her or his ideas in all their complex detail and glory.  PBS specials run the spectrum from truly great people (such as Christiane Northrup and Nicholas Perricone) to infuriating idiots (such as that Wayne Dyer person...do NOT get me started).  I feel that they need some shoring up on the great person end of the spectrum, because the idiots are threatening to drag them down, so they really could use Dr. D. in the mix.
Posted by: Lisalea, Friday, January 25, 2008, 4:56pm; Reply: 18
I just watched the View ... that Joy is such a nasty woman !!!  ::) >:( :( :'( :X :-/ :o :o :o
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Friday, January 25, 2008, 4:58pm; Reply: 19

I should have timed it, but they had a doctor (who seemed like a fairly sensible fellow) describe three "hot" diets, and it seemed like the GTD got the least amount of time, maybe two minutes.  Most of that consisted of snide remarks from the regulars ("Oh, that guy again!").  The doctor did mention some of the characteristics of certain GT's, but unfortunately the regulars misunderstood much of what he said (e.g., they seemed to take "thrifty with food" to mean "doesn't eat much").

Ironically, the regulars had spent the first part of the show comparing their personal quirks.

Oh, well.
Posted by: Brighid45, Friday, January 25, 2008, 5:12pm; Reply: 20
I just watched today's View (and remembered why I hate this show, but that's for another thread in Little Fishes someday). The review of the three 'hot' diets was as perfunctory as I thought it would be. At least they had an MD talking about the diets and not a former English major. There were the de rigeur ignorant and/or nasty comments; you knew the regulars would make fun of whatever was featured and they didn't disappoint. I will say the doctor presenting the diets had a basic correct knowledge of each one, even if he did read the information off an index card. But to praise Dr. Ornish's diet for the fact that he recommends you meditate? Come on! Did no one read the recommendations for each GT in the new book?

At least they sent everyone home with all three diet books. Maybe a few people will pick up on the GTD that way.
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Friday, January 25, 2008, 5:17pm; Reply: 21

Quoted from Brighid45
At least they sent everyone home with all three diet books. Maybe a few people will pick up on the GTD that way.


Thanks for mentioning that ray of hope.  I had already turned off my tv by then.

Posted by: Brighid45, Friday, January 25, 2008, 5:27pm; Reply: 22
My best laugh of the hour: Joy picked up a beautiful lush kabob of grilled lamb from the GenoType diet display table and said 'that's the most disgusting thing I've ever seen!' while I was saying out loud, 'MAN that lamb looks good!' HAH! It's all a matter of perspective. ;)

Carol, I was tempted to turn off the tv several times during the hour, so I don't blame you for leaving early. As far as I'm concerned, the only redeeming part of the whole show (besides seeing the GT book on the screen) was the interview with David Smith, the man who lost 400 pounds through a change in diet, regular exercise and positive thinking (and with the help of a supportive and compassionate trainer). 400 pounds! That really gave me a boost.

Whoopi's comments make me wonder what GT she is, though. I could care less what type the others are, since I can't stand them. JMO :P
Posted by: Kristin, Friday, January 25, 2008, 6:03pm; Reply: 23
Ditto, ditto, ditto....  ::)


... but a couple other "good" parts of the segment: it was described as one of the "hot" new diets and they flashed the book cover on the screen (not just held up a copy of the book). Worth it just for that bit, imo...

Although sketchy, at least the MD did not say anything blatantly inaccurate.

And with the piece being at the end of the show, I could make my oatmeal and take a shower while I waited for it to be on.  :)
Posted by: OSuzanna, Friday, January 25, 2008, 6:08pm; Reply: 24
I expected the stupid remarks, but it hurt anyway to hear Joy brush Dr. D off like that. ::)(mad) You know that comes from ignorance.
I liked the segment on the 600+ lb guy, and I liked the way they broke down the pregnancy weight.
Oh, and the fact that they gave the audience the new GTD book, hey, that's good!
Personally, I think gastric bypass is a terrible thing to do to a body, especially when some people find out it doesn't keep the weight off. A couple of people in this area have died from having it recently, either right away or soon after.
Yeah, Whoopi, whom I love, intrigues me w/her appetite situation. Going all day without getting hungry rarely happens to me. But I've noticed when I'm eating 'wrong,' my appetite doesn't work properly.
I'm thinking the last diet mentioned, whatever it was, was going to have mass appeal because the guy kept saying something like no guilt. It made sense to me, on one level, to have them label foods better in their original states as better than the most fooled-with (battered, fried, etc.) states. But we know it's even more important what you're eating or not eating! ;)
Posted by: OSuzanna, Friday, January 25, 2008, 6:16pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from sluggerbean
Yep.  Fridays in February are 1, 8, 15, 22, 29.  ;)


Oh, my goodness, leap year! One of my old girlfriends has a birthday this year, lol.

Hey, how often do you see 5 Fridays in Feb.? ;D
Posted by: Chloe, Friday, January 25, 2008, 6:17pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from Carol the Dabbler

... and if they don't say very much about the GTD, maybe somebody could post it here, for the benefit of us impoverished souls with dial-up Internet access?  Or if they DO say very much, at least the gist of it?   :K)


Maybe I'll actually watch it, but ...  ... I may not be done with my morning puttering by then.   ;D



Here's how the View went today.  First Whoopie talked about gaining weight back after she
was a spokesperson for one of those dieting clubs...The then show opened with a guy who lost 400 pounds without bypass surgery and introduced his personal trainer/motivator....then 2 women were interviewed who did lose weight with bypass but one gained
80 pounds back.  They then went onto a woman who wrote a book about losing weight
after pregnancy and answered a lot of questions from Elizabeth who seemed to be
needing some of this info after her recent delivery.

I might be leaving something out.  Lastly a doctor presented 3 of the new diets.  Dr. D
wasn't there nor were the other two authors.  There were 3 tables set out and the 3
diets were presented by the doctor.  First was a diet about tea..a book that promotes
weight loss through drinking flavored teas....chocolate flavored teas and others that would
help people to lose weight.  One host tasted some of the teas and seemed more interested
in actually eating a piece of chocolate.

Next, the Genotype Diet was presented...POORLY, I must say.  The doctor (not Dr. D, but
the View's own doctor/spokesperson) named the 6 genotypes.  Joy was already rolling
her eyes and making faces when she heard that the author of The Genotype Diet was the
same person who wrote a book about the blood types.  I would have thought the presentation
should have been neutrally handled, but truthfully, Joy made the diet sound awful without
ever trying it or bothering to learn much about it.

Only 3 genotype plates of food were on the table...and in comparison to the other two
diet books being presented, this looked pretty pathetic...Joy held up a piece of meat
and exclaimed "WHAT IS THIS?"  to which the resident-doctor/moderator said it was lamb.

It was over pretty quickly and next they went onto Dr. Dean Ornish's book called The
Spectrum Diet.  I already read the book and it's really not new information.  Basically
says that whole foods are more valuable to one's health.  BUT, the presentation for this
book was very showy....and many plates of food filled up a far larger table than that of
The Genotype Diet, which only had 3 plates and they sat on a tiny table.

I would surmise from the doctor presenting this that he liked Dr. Ornish's book the best and
wanted everyone to know this..although he did say he was a Warrior, and showed his fish
on a plate and told Joy she was a teacher.

This wasn't a good promotion for The Genotype Diet. If anything, being it was shown
nationally, it was a negative.....and a bummer to watch!

Posted by: OSuzanna, Friday, January 25, 2008, 6:20pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from Brighid45
My best laugh of the hour: Joy picked up a beautiful lush kabob of grilled lamb from the GenoType diet display table and said 'that's the most disgusting thing I've ever seen!' while I was saying out loud, 'MAN that lamb looks good!' HAH! It's all a matter of perspective. ;)


I noticed that, lol.

Agreeing w/Chloe re: the comparative fuss made over the Ornish diet.
The tea 'diet' was given as short shrift as the GTD, but the GTD was treated rudely by Joy, I wish they'd used a more relaxed open-minded host to be with the doctor then. >(
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, January 25, 2008, 6:32pm; Reply: 28
Wow.  I hope my VCR behaved itself and will allow me at least to see or hear the recording (usually I get a little bit of one--seeing or hearing--and none of the other).  Brig, Joy's "That's disgusting!" remark, doesn't it remind you of our collective co-workers and their reactions to our homemade lunches and/or offerings at Temptation Island?  Sad.

As has been said, if the diet was mentioned and the book cover flashed on the screen, that is huge.  HUGE PR right there.

Did Whoopi say she has no appetite all day?  The thing with her is, if I'm not mistaken, she chain smokes.  That could explain the suppressed appetite.

Isn't it sad that Joy felt the need to say "That's disgusting!" about a beautiful kabob of a whole, delicious, natural, nutritious, high-quality, nutrient-dense food like lamb?  What they should do is a piece on famine in the world, juxtaposed with all the over-processed junk American supermarkets are flooded with, and then overdub her comment of "That's disgusting!".
Posted by: OSuzanna, Friday, January 25, 2008, 6:46pm; Reply: 29
PT, wo-hoo!

Tho I must say, I was also wondering what's that re: the kabob. There was so much meat crammed on the stick it was hard to tell!
Posted by: mikeo, Friday, January 25, 2008, 6:52pm; Reply: 30
There are definitely a few thrifty hosts on the show.
Posted by: OSuzanna, Friday, January 25, 2008, 6:54pm; Reply: 31
(funny)LOL
Posted by: Chloe, Friday, January 25, 2008, 7:02pm; Reply: 32
Isn't it sad that Joy felt the need to say "That's disgusting!" about a beautiful kabob of a whole, delicious, natural, nutritious, high-quality, nutrient-dense food like lamb?  What they should do is a piece on famine in the world, juxtaposed with all the over-processed junk American supermarkets are flooded with, and then overdub her comment of "That's disgusting!".[/quote]

Peppermint Patty could have done a much better job~

LOL

Posted by: italybound, Friday, January 25, 2008, 7:06pm; Reply: 33
Nuff said for me,,,,,I'm not even going to bother watching the show. I recorded it, but don't need to watch that!!! Well...all I can say is.......all in good time my pretties, all in good time. Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha    ;D
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, January 25, 2008, 7:19pm; Reply: 34
And how the flip does their in-house doc know what genotype Joy is?  You can't tell just by eyeballing her.  She would have to do her measurements, blood typing, ETC.

Jeepers creepers (where'd you get those peepers)!

::)

I will watch my tape but, oh dear.  Talk about reductionism and sound-byte-ism and judgementalism and fluff-ism and Ornish-ism run amok!

If Rosie O. had still been on, and had she dissed the GTD, she would have had all of us pack of Dr. D.'s hounds RELEASED upon her and we would have made Donald Trump look like a six-week-old Persian kitten.

As it is, I shall view Joy's comments and decide if we need to RELEASE THE HOUNDS!

;D
Posted by: 2293 (Guest), Friday, January 25, 2008, 7:33pm; Reply: 35
It was lame.  The doctor did well explaining it if it weren't for the 2 girls.  The whole audience got the book though!  
I thought the Ornish diet looked pathetic.  The Dr. sure sang it's praises though.
Posted by: Chloe, Friday, January 25, 2008, 7:49pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from Peppermint Twist
And how the flip does their in-house doc know what genotype Joy is?  You can't tell just by eyeballing her.  She would have to do her measurements, blood typing, ETC.

Jeepers creepers (where'd you get those peepers)!

::)

I will watch my tape but, oh dear.  Talk about reductionism and sound-byte-ism and judgementalism and fluff-ism and Ornish-ism run amok!

If Rosie O. had still been on, and had she dissed the GTD, she would have had all of us pack of Dr. D.'s hounds RELEASED upon her and we would have made Donald Trump look like a six-week-old Persian kitten.

As it is, I shall view Joy's comments and decide if we need to RELEASE THE HOUNDS!

;D


Well...thank you...you've supported my "Peppermint Patty (and Elvis) theory that you can't
look at a person and be sure of their type.

Perhaps in house doctor knows enough about Joy's obvious physical features to have made an educated guess.  The shape of her face...the fact that she might look padded. Maybe Dr. D told him in advance?  It would have been great if in house doctor had measured one
person's fingers and torso/leg length to show how to arrive at typing oneself.  I thought
he called her a Teacher, but it might have been that he said Gatherer.

Honestly, this segment featuring the Genotype Diet was less than 3 minutes long. And way
too much focus was on that hunk of lamb that repelled Joy... Certainly not enough time to have done this book or it's concepts any justice.

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, January 25, 2008, 8:41pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from Chloe
Well...thank you...you've supported my "Peppermint Patty (and Elvis) theory that you can't
look at a person and be sure of their type.

In order to accurately determine someone's genotype, you have to do the measurements, blood typing, etc., however, in the context of the discussion in which you mentioned your thoughts on it, you were wondering how they determined the genotypes of the famous people they listed as examples, and for that purpose, I feel that an "outside looking in" approach is fine, as they are just trying to illustrate what the types look like, physically, just to paint us a picture.  To me, it is tacitly understood that we don't really know their types for sure...especially that of the enigmatic Peppermint Patty, who is known for being a riddle wrapped in a puzzle and tucked neatly into a conundrum!
;D

Posted by: Chloe, Friday, January 25, 2008, 8:44pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from Peppermint Twist

In order to accurately determine someone's genotype, you have to do the measurements, blood typing, etc., however, in the context of the discussion in which you mentioned your thoughts on it, you were wondering how they determined the genotypes of the famous people they listed as examples, and for that purpose, I feel that an "outside looking in" approach is fine, as they are just trying to illustrate what the types look like, physically, just to paint us a picture.  To me, it is tacitly understood that we don't really know their types for sure...especially that of the enigmatic Peppermint Patty, who is known for being a riddle wrapped in a puzzle and tucked neatly into a conundrum!
;D



You're too funny~  LOL

Posted by: Kristin, Friday, January 25, 2008, 8:59pm; Reply: 39
Actually...I think the identifying of Joy Behar as teacher GenoType was in reference to her career as a teacher before becoming a professional comedian.

Don't ask me how I know this...  ::) ;D :P


Then there was some mention of gatherer... but so not getting it.

The doc did list all the GenoTypes without missing one. Heck, I can't even do that yet. Even with a notecard... lol!!
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Friday, January 25, 2008, 9:24pm; Reply: 40
Quoted Text
Next, the Genotype Diet was presented...POORLY, I must say.  The doctor (not Dr. D, but
the View's own doctor/spokesperson) named the 6 genotypes.  Joy was already rolling
her eyes and making faces when she heard that the author of The Genotype Diet was the
same person who wrote a book about the blood types.  I would have thought the presentation
should have been neutrally handled, but truthfully, Joy made the diet sound awful without
ever trying it or bothering to learn much about it.


Joy Behar can be very close-minded when she wants to be... and, all too often, she wants to be.

What's amazing is that she's not afraid to be outspoken on the things she believes in -- it's almost a compulsion, actually -- but, clearly, if something hasn't yet gotten behind her psychological wall, no matter how logical or evidenciary it is, it's going to receive all her best mocking derision and scorn.
Posted by: AnnA, Friday, January 25, 2008, 10:48pm; Reply: 41
Joy...interesting name for someone who is very clearly not joyful in any respect.

ANYWAY, the thing about PR is that you cannot control what someone says about you.  Particularly when they are coming to the party with a pre-concieved opinion.  Fortunately, we have literally millions of people (like all of you) who can attest to the revolutionary work that Dr. D. has done for the past 25 years.  IMO, it's best to get the word out and let people decide for themselves.  All 200 audience members received a copy of GenoType.  I think once they actually READ the book, it can't denied that there is something REAL here.  

There will always be those people who will dismiss any new concept, particularly when their minds are closed to any idea that goes beyond their comfort zone.   Joy would have probably argued that the world was flat :)

Stay healthy!
Ann    
Posted by: +Aan, Friday, January 25, 2008, 10:58pm; Reply: 42
I TVo'd it. I watched the 600 lb. guy...very good for you! Then just kept going until Dr. D. The Dr. was Dr. Ian from the celebrity fat club. I didn't think he was reading from a card but he could have been. I expected more flack from him but I felt he was very kind and even mentioned he was a warrior and the hag next to him was a gatherer. As you can tell I'm not too fond of the View either...Aani
Posted by: Lola, Friday, January 25, 2008, 11:08pm; Reply: 43
Quoted Text
'MAN that lamb looks good!' HAH! It's all a matter of perspective.

more a matter of lack of culture, I think! ;)
if Joy only knew what she s missing out on......lol
someone should send her off traveling, and learning.....
ignorant to boot!!!
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Friday, January 25, 2008, 11:08pm; Reply: 44
I liked Ian Smith and was glad he knew his Genotype.. Warrior.
Posted by: Whimsical, Friday, January 25, 2008, 11:25pm; Reply: 45
I recorded it, but haven't watched it yet...

The View is an entertainment show, not a news show, so it seems like they accomplished what they set out to - entertain, whether positively or negatively.

I most certainly do not agree with everything that Oprah does, but I AM very impressed that she has managed to create possibly the only entertainment/talk show in existence that is nearly always positive and treats every guest with dignity and respect (even when Oprah herself does not like them).  Have you ever noticed that she does not invite people on her show or cover topics only to "slam" them?  Pretty unique.  

I doubt Dr. D would ever be invited on Oprah (or any other diet/lifestyle guru, for that matter), since she is clearly 100% invested in Bob Green, but if he was at least that would be a situation in which he could properly explain and discuss his life work, even if Oprah did not agree.
Posted by: Whimsical, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 12:22am; Reply: 46
OK, I just watched it and I didn't think it was that bad.  Like I said, this is not the show to watch to get detailed and useful info on diets...  The guy did a good job of summarizing the info in the far-to-short amount of time that is usually devoted to such things on TV.

I am an optimist and believe that most people are smart enough not to make decisions about diet based on two comediennes' reactions after 10 seconds of explanation...  People who want to invest time and energy into their health will find out for themselves and now they have awareness of GenoType that they may not have had before.
Posted by: Dr. D, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 10:36am; Reply: 47
Does anyone have the audio from the segment, if so could you send me an mp3 file? I'd love to do something with the clip where she says 'Oh, that guy again?'


Sad, but I've had far worse done to me.
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Saturday, January 26, 2008, 11:52am; Reply: 48
Okay, so here's the link to the actual review of the Genotype Diet on The View:

http://abc.go.com/video/index?channel=TheView&clip=78682

I have to say that it really wasn't as bad as I expected.  The presenter actually seemed to understand the details of the genotypes... However, he claims that the Ornish diet is superior, because it also encompasses the importance of things like meditation, lifestyle, and so on...

...Obviously, he didn't really pay attention to all the mountains and mountains of lifestyle prescriptions in the GTD.  

I am also pretty disturbed by Ornish's claims that everything should be eaten "without guilt", and that the "key" to good health is to eat things in their natural form, which is clearly not the solution.  Just because something is more natural, that doesn't mean it's safer.  The key is biocompatibility, and that is determined by actual physiological biochemistry, and the biochemistry of whatever is being ingested.  Or, as I'm fond of explaining to people, "Ingestion is transfusion".  

In other words, Ornish is an overrated, puffed-up fool.

But, then again, Ornish has the "MD" after his name, which is apparently Hebrew for "Moses Declares" or something... so people nod in conditioned obedience, unquestioningly, and continue keeling over dead from stratospheric cholesterol, triglycerides, cancer, and diabesity... good and dutiful boys and girls, all.
Posted by: Dr. D, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 1:20pm; Reply: 49
Peter D'Adamo: The Mitt Romney of nutrition.
Posted by: Brighid45, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 2:12pm; Reply: 50
I wasn't expecting a serious review of the diets, but to have Joy standing there mugging and making ignorant negative comments was rather offensive. That said, it was still better than I expected. I thought the review would be presented by some of the regulars, which would have been completely ridiculous as none of them, Whoopi aside, has a lick of common sense or intelligence--JMO.

Dr. D, you are the Charles Fort of personalized nutrition. I'm sure if CF was still around he'd include both the BTD and the GTD in The Book of the Damned. ;)
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 4:58pm; Reply: 51
Quoted from Dr. D
Peter D'Adamo: The Mitt Romney of nutrition.


My description of Mitt Romney is this:

"Get me a guy from Central Casting who looks Presidential"

Posted by: 521 (Guest), Sunday, January 27, 2008, 8:23am; Reply: 52
Quoted Text
Peter D'Adamo: The Mitt Romney of nutrition.


More like the Nostradamus of Nutrition... apparently decades, if not centuries, ahead of your time... even with modern advances in health science.

I wonder what Isaac Asimov would have thought of your books.
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Sunday, January 27, 2008, 8:30am; Reply: 53
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"Get me a guy from Central Casting who looks Presidential"


And the funny thing is, I was registered with Central Casting when I lived in Hollywood three years ago.  *L*
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, January 27, 2008, 8:57am; Reply: 54
thanks for the link to the view, Ron! ;)
Brighid, I also drooled over the lamb 'shashlik'!!
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a form of Shish kebab popular throughout the former Soviet Union and Mongolia.

yummmm!!
Posted by: Devora, Sunday, January 27, 2008, 9:25am; Reply: 55
Well, is there any chance that this show can be viewed online?  I'd like to see it.
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Sunday, January 27, 2008, 2:25pm; Reply: 56
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Well, is there any chance that this show can be viewed online?  I'd like to see it.


I posted the link on either page 2 or page 1 of this thread.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 28, 2008, 4:10pm; Reply: 57
Well, I watched the segment after work Friday and I am so glad I had read what there was of this thread FIRST, because otherwise I might have gotten REALLY upset at Joy Behar's behavior, but instead I just had to laugh, thinking of all the reactions/comments here!  ;D

When I read the comments before seeing the show, I thought "Oh, I'll have to judge for myself because Joy has that sarcastic NYC 'tude going and a lot of people don't 'get it' and/or misinterpret it", "it" being that "New York state of mind" that I love but some folks misread as rude, quite often.  Well:  nope, that wasn't a NY humor thing, that was a RUDENESS thing:  How rude!  What is her ever-lovin' problem?!!!   >:(

I mean, she was just plain, outright, downright, RUDE.

On the one hand, I like the fact that, obviously, the hosts of The View express their true opinions about products being reviewed, whereas on some shows, they all fawn all over whatever said product is, and one must wonder if that is part of the agreement to show the product on some shows.  Well, no such wondering need occur here because they just felt free to say WHATEVER, now didn't they?  Which I'm all for, speak your mind, but what IRKS me is:  speak your mind if you know what you are speaking about, but if you are ignorant of a subject, then listen politely and shut your pie hole!  Or at least do something that falls somewhere on the large spectrum between shutting your pie hole and totally dismissing and trashing something that you know zero about in an utterly RUDE way!!!!

omg.  omg.  OMG!

I agree with those who commented that the doctor who presented and described the three diets under review was excellent.  You could tell that he had actually read all three books carefully, and he presented each diet in a respectful way (even that "tea diet" thingie, which imho was...well, I will refrain from being a Joy Behar *lol*, as I have not read the book, but to me, it seems a little...um, in a different league from Dr. D.'s work, shall we say?).  I could totally tell that he had read the Genotype Diet and understood even some of the finer nuances.  So I was impressed with him and his ability to present the diet in an accurate, complete-as-possible-within-30-seconds way, and also respectfully and in a neutral, non-biased manner.  Too bad he broke that mold when he got to the Ornish plan and kept saying how much he loved that diet.
::) (Reductionism, anyone?)

Anyway, Joy Behar...I think she might benefit from a little yam cream rubbed into her skin transdermally or something.  Something is not in balance there.  Her meanness and dismissiveness gene has taken over the "town meeting"!!!   :o

Meanwhile, there is no tea that could ever replace potato chips.  Get real, people.

Seriously, though, it is true that tea lessons cravings and jazzes up one's metabolism, and I'm all upset because as of this morning, we have a new coffee machine at work and instead of a nice spigot of hot water from which I can fill my whole Thermos in one fell swoop, there is now this little area where you have to set a TINY cup, and the button gives you the amount of water that fills about 1/4 of that TINY cup, an amount roughly equivalent to the old polio vaccine (yes, I'm just barely old enough to remember it--it was pink and I was a tot and thought it must be a special treat because look at the long line for it, what of it?).  It will take me all day to get my Thermos filled and now my entire diet is in jeopardy...but I digress!  More on the hot water crisis at my office anon, but suffice it to say that the entire process now is reminiscent of Sawyer trying to get a "fish biscuit" on LOST.  But the topic here is a review of The View segment:

Bottom line:

1.  The doctor who presented the diet did a surprisingly accurate, thorough and respectful job.
:D  (clap)

2.  Joy Behar has incurred my wrath.  She was just plain rude.
:o   >:(   ::)  (naughty)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 28, 2008, 4:22pm; Reply: 58
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I most certainly do not agree with everything that Oprah does...

I think she is the most overrated person to come down the pike since Henry Kissenger.  ...I mean, she is not as overrated as he was, for sure, but still, overrated.
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...but I AM very impressed that she has managed to create possibly the only entertainment/talk show in existence that is nearly always positive and treats every guest with dignity and respect

When it started, it was trash TV.  I do give her credit for making a conscious decision at some point to elevate it from that, and she has really elevated it greatly.  Her heart is in the right place and she tries to do good with the power she has, I'll give her that, too.

Still...for various reasons, I'm not that impressed with her and I feel she is very overrated.  The one area she is not overrated in is that she is an excellent businesswoman.  Gotta give her extreme props there.

Posted by: Dr. D, Monday, January 28, 2008, 5:34pm; Reply: 59
Now, if truth be told, I've got sweaters in my closet with a higher I.Q. than Joy Behar.
Posted by: Brighid45, Monday, January 28, 2008, 5:43pm; Reply: 60
Well said! :)

As Harlan Ellison said once, 'everyone is entitled to his or her informed opinion'. Somehow I don't think that's standard policy on the View (to be fair, it isn't SOP much of anywhere else on tv either). If Joy had tried the BTD and found it lacking, her remarks might be understandable. Otherwise, she's just being a yenta, and a mighty shrewish one at that IMO.

Oh well. Meh. Consider the source.
Posted by: Dr. D, Monday, January 28, 2008, 5:49pm; Reply: 61
:K)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 28, 2008, 6:02pm; Reply: 62
The good news is, any viewer out there who is thinking of going on a diet for any reason and saw that show would, imho, be left more with an impression informed by the decent description given by the doctor who presented it than by Joy's behavior, because I'll bet that any regular viewer of "The View" is used to her pretty much having that exact same kneejerk reaction to everything.  So they probably thought "That's just Joy.", whereas if they had any interest in learning Thing One about any of the three diets being presented, I'll bet they listened to what that doctor said and gave it far more weight.  ...Which is great in the sense of that he did a pretty impressive job serving up "The Genotype Diet in One Soundbyte or Less", but bad in the sense that his obvious preference of the three diets presented was that reductionist Ornish monstrosity, wherein all foods are literally reduced to a number, reminiscent of Weight Watchers' "point system", which is one of the many reasons I detest WW.

Anyway, if you distill this whole View segment down to its most basic essence, I think that the net resulting concoction is a 100-proof pure shot of good PR for the Genotype Diet!  Joy was just some added "color".

;D
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, January 28, 2008, 6:04pm; Reply: 63
TV shows are out for the ratings and advertisers pay a lot for shows that are on the top.  The
View is rather an interesting mix of hosts.  Joy Behar did stand up comedy before coming on this
show and will do anything for a laugh. I think we all have to take these people with a grain of
salt.  They aren't doing research, they aren't necessarily giving "informed" opinions.  They often
love controversy as was seen by the Rosie/Elizabeth fiasco.  I quit watching that show when
Meredith Viera left.  At least she was a bonafide reporter with decent credentials.

I guess what bothered me most watching Joy was that we knew that she was uniformed about
the Genotype Diet, but did the viewers who never heard of this diet get a fair and unbiased
opinion from someone informed?  NO! I thought Dr. Smith attempted to focus on the facts
and managed to squeeze in some decent information, but it would have been a much
better presentation had Dr. D been there to explain his own book.  Too much was lost
in translation and I agree P.T, JOy's behavior was totally RUDE!
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 28, 2008, 6:10pm; Reply: 64
Quoted from Chloe
...I agree P.T, JOy's behavior was totally RUDE!

Yeah it was.  There is just no getting around it, she was over the top in the dismissiveness and rudeness department.  I really feel and think, though, that it reflected on HER, not on the relative merit or non-merit of the Genotype Diet.

To me, the lamb kebob looked fine.  It was Joy who came across as "the most disgusting thing I've ever seen!"

Posted by: Chloe, Monday, January 28, 2008, 7:17pm; Reply: 65
http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/ask

If anyone would like to comment on the way Joy Behar handled her job hosting The View
when Dr. D's book was presented, this would be the place to say something!
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, January 28, 2008, 7:32pm; Reply: 66
I just wanted to be proactive.  Made me feel better.  And besides, the "Warrior" in me had
no choice but to DO something!

Here are my comments to The View.

"Joy Behar's rude behavior during the Friday presentation
of Dr. Peter D'Adamo's new book, The Genotype Diet was totally disappointing. Ms. Behar attempted to influence the viewers in a negative way by making inappropriate comments when she heard that this was the same man who wrote the book, Eat Right For Your Type.  Regardless of her personal views or her experience with any diet of Dr. D'Adamo in the past, I felt she was totally unprofessional in choosing to use negative words, by referring to the lamb  as "disgusting" and commenting, "Oh, not HIM again" when she heard the doctor's name mentioned.  I'm sure if Dr. D'Adamo was present, she might have behaved differently to his face.. so in his absence, I believe she owed this brilliant man the respect he deserved for writing this book.   I would hope she'd apologize for her actions on the air at a later date."
Posted by: zola, Monday, January 28, 2008, 8:06pm; Reply: 67
Joy said "Don't we already know this already?" when the Doc was talking about Ornish's diet.

That was her attitude about the whole thing. She already thinks she knows it all. Her ignorance (ignorance - root word 'ignore') shows she wasn't listening. You can't teach someone who isn't listening. (Two ears, one mouth Joy.)

Despite the possibility of her comments from keeping someone from seeking out the wisdom of the GTD and Dr. D - they gave everyone in the audience a copy (Oprah started this trend) and Dr. D got major exposure. (Yay!) [The Doc did a great job plowing through the material in a nanosecond.]

I'm an Explorer - and my coworkers always want to know what I'm eating.

I bet Joy doesn't cook. It takes some effort to improve your health. And some observation of your body and it's responses.

The flippant, "Entertain me now" attitude of people like Joy Behar is not good for more than a Hollywood soundbite of vapid titillation.

P.S. Thanks for posting the link to the View segment.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 28, 2008, 8:11pm; Reply: 68
Oh, that reminds me of one more point:  As was alluded to earlier in this thread, when that good Dr. (Smith?) was trying to explain to her that the G2/Gatherer genotype is a "thrifty" type, she wouldn't let him get a sentence out to explain what that concept meant, then because of her own interrupting and dismissiveness, she totally misunderstood his partial answer that she interrupted, then she dismissed the concept out of hand, based on her misunderstanding of it.

I got whiplash from that part.

(dizzy)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 28, 2008, 8:14pm; Reply: 69
AND (one more thing, sir, I'm in "Columbo" mode):

IF she is a Gatherer, she really didn't get the "sweet" part of the genetic profile expressed at her personal town meeting.  It got shouted down, apparently.
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Monday, January 28, 2008, 9:44pm; Reply: 70
Apparently Joy Behar operates on magical thinking, like way too many people...

...She thinks that if she doesn't have a taste or interest in something such as science then, magically, it can't possibly be inescapably relevant in her life.  It isn't really real until she lowers her regal scepter upon it and recites her lordly mantra of acceptance.  Until that time, her saying "I don't buy it" makes it unreal and untrue.  But, like Horatio, there are more things between heaven and earth than are dreamt of in Joy Behar's philosophy... and the fabric of the universe itself simply doesn't give a fat damn what she approves of, as being true.

The truth is that the validities and relevancies that science uncovers are not actually affected by whether or not they appeal to us.  Logic is logic, and the truth is the truth.  And an interest, even an obsessive one, in science is a matter of the utmost urgency in life.  Behar's contemptful lack of interest in anything outside her comfort zone, such as a genetic, scientific approach to diet, is dangerous.  

And, as far as Ornish goes, what he ultimately peddles is a smug contempt for real innovation and nonconformity... His "spectrum" system, based on the arrogant, tired, and stodgey notion that the health value of food items should be graded based on their degree of fresh unadulteration is yesterday's fetish.  It's been done to death, and it clearly hasn't produce a lasting solution.  

The fact that yet another MD is promoting a position that is ultimately just stodgey and political cowardice (or perhaps it's mind-numbing arrogance... that's probably closer to the truth) is not surprising.  What is surprising is that, given the track records of MD's, they so conceitedly and astonishingly still expect to be listened to.  

And, beyond that, what's even more horrifying is that masses of overconfident, traditionalist sheep are, indeed, still listening to them.
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Monday, January 28, 2008, 9:51pm; Reply: 71
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That was her attitude about the whole thing. She already thinks she knows it all. Her ignorance (ignorance - root word 'ignore') shows she wasn't listening. You can't teach someone who isn't listening. (Two ears, one mouth Joy.)
Agreed.  Behind her ignorance, is arrogance.

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The flippant, "Entertain me now" attitude of people like Joy Behar is not good for more than a Hollywood soundbite of vapid titillation.
Also agreed.
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P.S. Thanks for posting the link to the View segment.
You're welcome.
Posted by: AnutLisa, Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 12:50am; Reply: 72
Don't you find though that Joy's response is somewhat typical in the fact that most people in our culture do not want to participate in their own wellness - they want the pill, the quick fix.  

We've been somewhat programmed to think Western medicine is the savior of all, one pill at a time, even though all of its "miracles" come after its self-created issues.  All the while, ancient medicine or ancient future medicine like the genotype diet are discounted because people don't recognize the miracle of preventative, patient-involved wellness.  

Grrrrr!   >:(  (End of rant.)   ;)
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 2:55am; Reply: 73
doesn t the world have its share of 'Joy Behars'?  ;)
negative and totally empty 'know it alls', who believe they re so wise and charming!
I just ignore them.....

they personify the loud destructive genes at the mic during the town meeting!!! LOL
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 3:13am; Reply: 74
Quoted from Lola
doesn t the world have its share of 'Joy Behars'?  ;)
negative and totally empty 'know it alls', who believe they re so wise and charming!
I just ignore them.....


I ignore people like this too when they are simply rambling about issues that don't concern
me, but it felt satisfying  to voice my opinion to the show that pays her salary
after she offended a man I respect.  Sometimes it pays to take a stand and stop allowing free speech to be biased and mean spirited!  Don't forget that Dr. D just published a brand new book that deserved to be accepted fairly, without prejudice or snide remarks given it
was being presented in his absence.

I would hope anyone who saw the show and felt personally offended by Joy Behar's "attitude" would make their feelings known to The View!

And NOW, I'm going to stop giving this very pathetic and unfunny woman any more of my energy~  
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 8:12am; Reply: 75
thanks for the heads up, Chloe.  I'm going to send my comments in to them.
Posted by: Devora, Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 9:28am; Reply: 76
Is everyone talking about that 30 second snippet that they gave to the GTD?

Talk about mindless mainstream!!!
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 9:33am; Reply: 77
What interview?  The radio interview?
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 1:26pm; Reply: 78
Quoted from Chloe
Sometimes it pays to take a stand and stop allowing free speech to be biased and mean spirited!

Actually, I would fight to the death to protect free speech in this country, including speech which personally offends me.  HOWEVER, once I fought tooth and nail to defend "their" right to speak, I would get right out there with MY signs and megaphone and keyboard and/or whatever and shout 'em down!  Or "truth 'em down".

In other words, I defend Joy Behar's right engage in speech which irks the living daylights out of me.  But then I will be right there responding and saying exactly what I think of it.

Free speech isn't just for those who agree with us or even for those who are respectful and civil and don't BUG us.  It is for all, even the most offensive among us.  And when we hear something that offends us, it is then our right and duty to speak right out in response.
Posted by: Kristin, Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 3:41pm; Reply: 79
Curious to what this obsession with Joy Behar is.... (think)
Could she be tapping into some sort of shadow archetype that is triggering this response???


I just saw her as a ravenous O... you know how some O's can get when they need to eat...  ;D :K)
Posted by: Squirrel, Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 4:43pm; Reply: 80
Apologies, I haven't read all the responses here, and I didn't see the View because it isn't broadcast in Asia to my knowledge. But I did look up the ABC website link in the Recap section. This is how it introduces the Diet summaries:

"And finally, with every new year comes a new batch of diet books, so what better way to wrap up today's diet theme show than by giving you a round of this year's weight-loss promising paperbacks. Dr. Ian Smith stopped by to talk about some of the hottest diets for 2008, and here are his top picks for shedding those pounds..." (the highlights are mine)

Seems to me that it's only this Joy person displaying her closed-mindedness. If the GTD is not as attractive to her uninformed mind as either of the others, it's still in the top 2 or 3 of all the 1000s of diets out there as chosen by the show's "experts". So let's keep this in perspective.

Here's my testimonial. I've been on the BTD for a year now. I can't give away our unwanted Christmas alcohol/wheatie presents etc because everyone I know in this country has been "converted"! Even my mother-in-law in the UK was telling us about the weight/inches she's lost on the BTD.

Go Dr. D, go!
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 5:11pm; Reply: 81
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saw her as a ravenous O...

not quite! lol
a ravenous O doesn t refer to a scrumptious mouth watering lamb shishkebab as 'disgusting'!! ;)
Posted by: Kristin, Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 5:43pm; Reply: 82
Quoted from Lola

not quite! lol
a ravenous O doesn t refer to a scrumptious mouth watering lamb shishkebab as 'disgusting'!! ;)


LOL!! good point Lola!!

Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 5:49pm; Reply: 83
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it felt satisfying  to voice my opinion to the show that pays her salary after she offended a man I respect.

Chloe, you did the right thing!
let us know if these people respond to your opinion.....
defamation is a cowardly irresponsible attitude, and should never be tolerated!
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 6:57pm; Reply: 84
Quoted from Dr. D
i'm not on the view (thank god). they are doing the diets, but without the authors.


You're not implying that women are yappy are you?  LOL
Posted by: Dr. D, Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 7:42pm; Reply: 85
No, I just hate doing television.. :P
Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 9:26pm; Reply: 86
the best (and nicest ) comment about joy behar was by P.T. "she could benefit from some yam cream rubbed gently into her skin."  ;D ;D ;D
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 10:59pm; Reply: 87
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You're not implying that women are yappy are you?  


I'm picturing a room full of chihuahuas and Yorkies now.  Hahahahaha
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, February 1, 2008, 7:11pm; Reply: 88
Quoted from jayneeo
the best (and nicest ) comment about joy behar was by P.T. "she could benefit from some yam cream rubbed gently into her skin."  ;D ;D ;D


(woot)  I'm just sayin'!
Posted by: Rex, Friday, April 4, 2008, 4:10pm; Reply: 89
Ian Smith, M.D. said that he's a Warrior.  Joy Behar quickly announced that the GTD doesn't work.  She said " oh, it's like the BTD"  Dr. Smith said "yes, it's from the same doctor"  then Joy said "oh, him again".  I'm so sorry that Joy said that about Dr. D because both the GTD as well as the GTD does work very well. I'm still amazed at how different I feel in the most positive of ways...increased energy, drastically reduced joint pain, a weight loss of 10 pounds and I no longer get infections from minor cuts....this is a big change for me.
Posted by: jayneeo, Friday, April 4, 2008, 4:17pm; Reply: 90
we have heard this about Joy Behar...don't know why....people get a bead on a subject and just stick to it...she's written it off, but hopefully no one pays a lot of attention to her.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, April 4, 2008, 4:29pm; Reply: 91
The only way Dr. D can prove them wrong is by the higher percentage of people who do very well on his programs! Then they can't say anything.  
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, April 4, 2008, 5:09pm; Reply: 92
That's gotta be a re-run of the same "The View" episode, as Joy Behar said that "Oh, him again!" line already.

I thought she was very rude when the GTD was presented on "The View", dismissing it out-of-hand without even really listening to what the presenting doctor was trying to say about it.  I mean, let the guy get two words out before you start whaling on the diet, geez.

:(
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, April 4, 2008, 5:12pm; Reply: 93
P.S.  Here's the thread from when that episode first aired, including a link to "view" (no pun intended) it on line, which is located in post #48 of the thread:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GTDdiet/m-1201120409/s-0/
Posted by: Rex, Friday, April 4, 2008, 5:45pm; Reply: 94
I wasn't aware that it was a re-run.  I hadn't seen it before.    Unfortunately, lots of people like myself were seeing it for the first time. Joy Behar was totally rude and totally wrong.  
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, April 4, 2008, 6:04pm; Reply: 95
She was SO rude.   :o   ::)   :(   >:(  
Posted by: mikeo, Saturday, April 5, 2008, 3:47am; Reply: 96
I call the "view" the "clucking duck" hour and we all know ducks will eat whatever you throw at them
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