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Posted by: Squirrel, Sunday, January 20, 2008, 4:56am
I'm interested.

Gatherers are supposed to have weight issues, but I don't and never have. OK so when I started the BTD a year ago I was heavier than I am now, but that was mainly for medical reasons.

Am I the only one here?
Posted by: angel, Sunday, January 20, 2008, 5:10am; Reply: 1
no you are not the only one I am not worried about the weight so much as the inches and muscle tone. WhenI stopped exercising  my body's metabolism slowed and I gained weight getting back my stamina is the hardest thing. If I cna keep exercising and ramp it up with superfoods. I am using a pure egg white protein powder and will add back the lo carb designer protein in 6 months. It is being impatient while waiting for the time to pass. While I am trying to decrease my circumference and change my body composition, I am also keeping mind that I have an event to train for, Hunting season, I need to be able to keep up with my husband and climb big hills and go long distances. We'll see how I do the last time I went I really sucked wind. We'll see how things go. I just want to be in better shape and fit some of the really nice clothing I have in my closet.
Posted by: Curious, Sunday, January 20, 2008, 5:11am; Reply: 2
Great question, I am happy with my weight and I have never ever had weight issues.
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Sunday, January 20, 2008, 5:13am; Reply: 3
No, I am about 15-20lbs more than comfortable.   After I had my 5 children, I started having thyroid problems, then had it worked on through conventional medicine.   After that the weight steadily
increased.  Could be the thyroid problem, or menopausal issues.  But I'd really like to lose this.
I must say that most of my family of origin have weight problems, and it settles around our waists,
including my dad, my sisters, and 2 of my brothers.  Only my mom and my brother, a retired marine, seemed to stay at a reasonable weight most of their lives.  I believe we have blood sugar problems, and depression problems.  So anyway, trying to follow this diet to see if I can make some headway..... ;)
Posted by: jayneeo, Sunday, January 20, 2008, 6:23am; Reply: 4
ok, I have been overweight ever since I had children....pregnancy weight never went all the way down...maybe would've happened anyway....was never overweight as a child. have lost some on various diets, but here I am needing to lose 30 lbs. Again.
Posted by: lakes-lady68, Sunday, January 20, 2008, 8:52am; Reply: 5
I'm carrying around 30lbs, post baby weight that I struggled to lose, it's moving now I'm on GTD, and I feel a lot better.  The allergies are subsiding and I feel less 'bloated' which has got to help.

  
Posted by: kipperkid, Sunday, January 20, 2008, 9:42am; Reply: 6
basically been overweight since mid childhood  :(  Did once get down to the very top of the so-called 'normal' range but couldn't maintain it.  I wonder now how much damage I did myself getting there  :-/
Posted by: 2240 (Guest), Sunday, January 20, 2008, 9:43am; Reply: 7
This is an interesting poll.

I have always been overweight - since about 22yrs of age anyway.  My direct family on mums side also struggle with weight issues.

I started with the BTD diet about a month ago and saw some improvements, however I have now been doing GTD for less than a week and have already seen the backache I have had for 3 months disappear almost overnight!!

I too am now not bloated and I have loads more energy - and now my back ache has gone I can get back to the gym too.
:)

Jo
Posted by: geminisue, Sunday, January 20, 2008, 1:59pm; Reply: 8
I have been over weight since about six years old. I was always the heaviest girl in the school. At graduation I was 170, looked good to older men, but young adults my own age, I was the biggest. Through many things that went on in my life, birth of three children, marriage ending, health going bad, I have to admit that BTD is the food plan that made my weight come off, and know I'm moving on the the GTD been on it 100%since Friday morning, on Saturday when I weighed- I lost three pounds, on Sunday, today 7 more pounds = 10 lbs in 48 hours.  I did hurt for a few days when I was introducing dairy back in, but if I skip a day or two between I am fine.  I am excited about all of this, learning and remembering what I need to know to successfully lose all the weight I need to.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 20, 2008, 10:14pm; Reply: 9
All O's are posting here and I find that interesting.  Any B Gatherers?
Posted by: Brighid45, Sunday, January 20, 2008, 10:24pm; Reply: 10
I've been overweight (and now obese) for most of my life, with a few periods of lower weight due to various reasons. The BTD has worked for me, helped me lose weight very slowly and steadily, but more important, it's helped me find healing--a process still in progress, but taking another step forward with the GTD.
Posted by: drgnwng1, Sunday, January 20, 2008, 10:39pm; Reply: 11
As an Adult I have been under a 100 pounds and over 200lbs.
Currently the higher  :'(
Posted by: jayneeo, Monday, January 21, 2008, 12:05am; Reply: 12
drgnwng.....what an amazing polarity...!
I know if I followed the portions I could lose.
Posted by: meribelle, Monday, January 21, 2008, 2:11am; Reply: 13
I am happy with my size, but I would like to be smaller (loose about 10 pounds).  I was about 20 pounds heavier but I started on the candida diet, done by my blood type, and I lost a lot of weight.  It is wonderful to be this size.  It is a gift from God which came from sores in my mouth!  Go figure!  
Posted by: Drea, Monday, January 21, 2008, 4:17pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Victoria
All O's are posting here and I find that interesting.  Any B Gatherers?


Looks like you're in the minority, Victoria! I didn't vote (I'm not a gatherer), but it sure is interesting that the ones who did vote overwhelmingly have had weight issues for some time. It's all so fascinating!

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 21, 2008, 4:42pm; Reply: 15
I definitely have a very challenging weight issue.

I was not fat as a child.  In fact, I was a premie and only weighed five lbs and change at birth, and I never was fat as a little 'un.  However, the weight issue did begin pretty young, as a senior in high school.  I shot up, but was able to shoot myself back down again (ah, the metabolism of the young!) via a totally ignorant, unhealthy crash-type diet that I made up, consisting of eating no breakfast (bad, especially since my lunch period wasn't until something like 1:30 p.m.), and for lunch I would buy this totally unhealthy school lunch of tuna (hey, at least that turns out to be a Gatherer superfood!) on white bread (!) with potato chips (!) and lemonade.  Then I would eat as much as I wanted at dinner, which of course would be way too much by that point in the day, as I'd be starving, and then I could drink as many beverages as I wanted, usually consisting of about five thousand V8's *lol*.  So funny that I remember this, even now.  Anyway, I did lose the weight, about 20 lbs.

Then, when I got to college, it happened to be a very progressive, sort of avante-garde type of place and we were all into vegetarianism, basically, which was the beginning of the end for me, weight-wise.  It wasn't bad at all for the first half of college because I was so active, but then the second half I started going up, and when I left college, that is when I really shot up, as I wasn't eating right for an O Gatherer at ALL.  omg.  Basically all I ate was pasta, popcorn and fat.

Once I got on the BTD, finally, in 1997, I did lose all the weight, but it took about two years to do it.  Then again, I lost about 55 lbs, so that makes sense, considering how slooooooooooooooooooowly my body lets go of weight.  Unfortunately, I then kinda sorta went off the diet for a SHORT time and the weight shot back on so fast it would make your head spin.  It is amazing how perfect I have to be, discipline-wise, to lose weight, yet how easy it is for the weight to fly back on if I even look sideways at the wrong food, or don't exercise, or both.  So then I lost all the weight AGAIN, which brings us to 2004 or 5.  Somehow, just from one summer and fall of getting off track SOMEWHAT, it all came roaring back on.  And I've been working diligently to get it off ever since, which not much success because I kept getting off track, it seems.  If I am even slightly off track, the weight comes back.  This is why the idea of Gatherers being a thrifty genotype that holds onto weight for dear life rings so true to me.  My body will not release weight without Herculean effort on my part, period.  H*ll no, it won't go.  "Whoever dies with the most, wins" indeed.

I have very high hopes now, though, higher than I've had in many a moon, for getting the weight off and keeping it off.  I was actually doing well for a while (until the holidays!) before the GTD came into the picture, and now that I'm on the GTD, I hope to burn through these remaining...53 (just went and used our NEW doctor's scale in the 2nd floor Ladies Room at work...it says I weigh 7 lbs more than the dog scale at the vet's, but I think the vet's is calibrated incorrectly, as we weighed a bag of dry food and it registered 7 oz less than it really weighed) lbs to my goal and stay there or even go farther...but getting and staying there would be just fine with me!

I lost the first 13 or 14 lbs of that on the BTD since September 17th, when I really re-dedicated myself to the weight loss effort with a white-hot focus.  Unfortunately, the holidays at work cooled that white-hot focus and I lost some ground, which is why the net total loss was 13 or 14 lbs, and now I'm up to a net total of 16 lbs lost since September 17th, which only averages to 4 lbs per month, but I'm telling you, that is how slowly I tend to lose on average over the long haul.  Sad, no?  But I think the Gatherer plan is going to kick this thing into high gear.  We didn't have our scale when I started, or for the month or so before, but I know I've lost a few pounds just since starting the Gatherer plan, even with all the stress I was under with a dying kitty and even with not exercising much.  Speaking of which, I'm about to go out and do my lunch-time 1/2-hour walk, which I haven't done in a few months.  The holidays really felled me.  But I'm back, baby, I'm back!

53 more lbs and then, the big trick, maintaining it.  The GTD is the ticket, I can feel it!
Posted by: Squirrel, Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 2:26pm; Reply: 16
Thanks for all your replies folks. I think that's a pretty overwhelming result so far but only 27 votes.

Any more for any more?
Posted by: Kathleen, Wednesday, January 30, 2008, 11:45pm; Reply: 17
I am happy with my weight.  However, over the past couple of months I've gained about 5 pounds, most of it in my tummy area.  This Gatherer way of eating is a big change, quinoa flakes and pineapple for breakfast and Quark Cheese with fruit and pecans for lunch!!  I'm used to beef and veggies.
Posted by: focused, Wednesday, January 30, 2008, 11:46pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from Victoria
All O's are posting here and I find that interesting.  Any B Gatherers?


I do believe I am a Gatherer after retaking my finger measurements. Initially I was thought to be Explorer but had equal finger lengths in the online calculator. I have been on Explorer but wondered why I have had headaches and dropping blood sugar.
Posted by: SheriBerry, Thursday, January 31, 2008, 3:42am; Reply: 19
My weight is  fine, but I sure work on it and struggle to keep it down.  I am so hoping that by following the Gatherer  plan I can  not watch every bite so closely!
Posted by: focused, Thursday, January 31, 2008, 6:16pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from focused


I do believe I am a Gatherer after retaking my finger measurements. Initially I was thought to be Explorer but had equal finger lengths in the online calculator. I have been on Explorer but wondered why I have had headaches and dropping blood sugar.


I had the same experience with finger lengths and was doing the Explorer for a while. I really feel the Gatherer diet is the right fit for me.
Posted by: 2547 (Guest), Thursday, January 31, 2008, 7:14pm; Reply: 21
While I think I need to lose about 10lbs I've never been overweight and the weight I want to lose is more about shape and tone.  I'm 5'8 and a size 2-4 but I tend to carry my weight around my middle so I probably need to lose a few lbs just to get that waist/hip ratio down!!  I will say though, that it is insanely hard for me to lose even 1lb.  Initially I really doubted my Gatherer status because I'm not endomorphic, do not look padded, I have smallish bones, but after seemingly endless measuring and trying the Explorer diet for a few weeks (and being very unhappy) I've decided I'm 80%-85% sure I'm a Gatherer.
Posted by: JoanneO, Thursday, January 31, 2008, 7:38pm; Reply: 22
My weight wasn't an issue until I hit 50 and decided to go vegetarian.  I was really a startch-i-tarian and then the pounds came on and I had a 7 year battle.  But I thought I was eating "healthy".  Luckily, I learned and practiced the BTD 3 years ago and the weight came off rather quickly.  Now practicing GT2 and my focus is detoxing.  I have been delightedly eating the benny grains and have a wonderful quick bread recipe that hubby and both love, but I feel like I'm putting pounds back on. Must be more diligent in consuming just the right amount of quinoa, millet, rice and sprouted spelt flour.  I love the new genotyping research now that I have decided I'm a gatherer and hot the hunter I thought I was.  
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, January 31, 2008, 8:46pm; Reply: 23
Two of my favorite local Naturopaths have just concluded that they are Gatherers.  She is an O and he is a B.  Neither have been overweight in the years that I have known them, however they have been on the BTD and regular exercisers.  She told me yesterday that she realizes that she would most likely be very overweight had she continued eating the way she did when she was younger.

It seems to me that Gatherers may be about tendencies, even if weight appears normal at this time.
Posted by: meribelle, Friday, February 22, 2008, 10:40am; Reply: 24
I really am 'padded' even when I am at my lowest weight, which is now, thanks to the btd and the gtd.  This program has been good for my self esteem because now I realize that no matter what I do or do not eat, I will still have some 'padding'.  That fact helps me accept myself more.
Posted by: Ellie, Friday, February 22, 2008, 8:36pm; Reply: 25
I felt fat when I was in primary school (I started putting on weight when I was 7 - when i started developing) but when i see the odd picture of myself now, i feel i was smaller than i thought (just bigger than others maybe, & compared myself to my younger sister, who seemed dainty & elegant - daft I know). My weight has fluctuated over the years, but BTD was about trying to be healthy for me. Now it seems the GTD may be helping my body shift a bit of weight naturally. last night i realised my bra strap was loose when i took it off, & today i have been able to do it up on the tightest setting instead of the loosest (and it's still comfortable) I shall be seeing if it applies to my other bras too. For me it is about feeling healthy, i would like mainly to lose some weight around my stomach. I have been able to do more walking in the last few weeks which helps too. I would hope I can maintain the weight loss & keep on losing more. Oestregen dominance definitely a factor for me.
Posted by: Caz B, Sunday, March 23, 2008, 9:58am; Reply: 26
I was very slim as a child, also very active.  When I hit puberty around 14yrs I filled out slightly but in all the right places, still very active.  When I was 17 I put on about 10-12kgs I think due to the fact I was starting work and very inactive.  Then started exercising again and lost weight but have struggled a little to keep it down ever since.  After having children have remained unfit and inactive and am close to 20kg overweight.  

I am sure that if I can start to exercise and follow at least the basic principles of the GTD that I will start to lose the weight.  It's just the sometimes overwhelming fatigue and embarrassment that are holding me back (I love to swim but dread being seen in a swimsuit)

I am also not used to taking the time for myself, have been an at-home mum for 13yrs and used to putting the children and housework first  :-/  Hope this site will motivate me enough to get cracking  :)
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, March 23, 2008, 5:25pm; Reply: 27
I d register in the GTD site to get a kick start! ;)
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, October 25, 2009, 3:40am; Reply: 28
Quoted from Caz B
I was very slim as a child, also very active.  When I hit puberty around 14yrs I filled out slightly but in all the right places, still very active.  When I was 17 I put on about 10-12kgs I think due to the fact I was starting work and very inactive.  Then started exercising again and lost weight but have struggled a little to keep it down ever since.  After having children have remained unfit and inactive and am close to 20kg overweight.  
I am sure that if I can start to exercise and follow at least the basic principles of the GTD that I will start to lose the weight.  It's just the sometimes overwhelming fatigue and embarrassment that are holding me back (I love to swim but dread being seen in a swimsuit) Understand how you feel..maybe if you could start some exercises at home - walking with the kids, after school ??!! :-/ Or get together with a friend & walk - nothing like the motivation of not letting a buddy down, to get you out there... ;) Goodluck!! :)
I am also not used to taking the time for myself, have been an at-home mum for 13yrs and used to putting the children and housework first  :-/  Hope this site will motivate me enough to get cracking  :) It's sure to!! Lots of support here :) Have you seen the thread on weight loss? Also, I found doing an active job, I had no choice but to lose weight as I was on the move so much...(I put some back on once I stopped:() Is that an option for you?? Merchandiser's jobs (putting out stock in supermarkets) are usually easy to pick up
Posted by: Mohairandsilk, Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 6:18am; Reply: 29
Weight is not the main problem for me, but I could feel better with less kilog on my legs of course ! (even when a child, I had big legs... so I am used to...)
Posted by: diffy, Monday, November 9, 2009, 8:08pm; Reply: 30
Photos of myself as a kid reveal a balanced view of my body, but then as I hit puberty at around 14 I began gaining weight. I'm five ft, four and a half inches. I was a size 10 at most;
When my first child was born I topped the scales (post-pregnancy) at about 150-160 and dress size 14! That was a bit too much for me to bear. If I recall correctly (going back 15-16 years ago) I made a deliberate attempt to cut out sugar from my diet and I believe I did cut out much of it, but not all.
Breastfeeding my baby helped me lose a lot of weight.
After the next baby I ate a ton of food and still managed to lose weight. Seems there was a metabolic shift within me...
After my third baby was born, same thing....nursed him for 3 years and the weight kept falling off of me...I couldn't keep up...I was consuming a jarful of peanut butter a week just to keep myself from losing more weight....

Since then, the only time I've gained a lot of weight was  when I got onto psychiatric drugs. The weight came on very rapidly and took forever to lose....

I only began to lose it when I got onto thyroid meds. However, because the dose was too high I lost a lot of weight. I am now on a lower dose and hopefully the weight will come back on.

I feel so ridiculous saying that I want to gain weight when so many people out there are desperately wanting to lose it...

Posted by: geminisue, Thursday, November 12, 2009, 5:16am; Reply: 31
Diffy- we all individuals- don't feel bad because you don't have the same battle as some of us do-we each have our own-plus we all have one thing in common-the desire to improve our health. Enjoy the journey.
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, November 12, 2009, 6:32am; Reply: 32
Diffy - as I was reading your "I was consuming a jarful of peanut butter a week just to keep myself from losing more weight...." I'm thinking... thyroid condition..." :o ??)
And ditto to sue's comments... ;)
Posted by: battle dwarf, Friday, April 15, 2011, 4:16pm; Reply: 33
i was never a then kid but i was never over weight ether. i was what most people around here call "stocky" dinamite comes in small pakages also seemed to cover it. i was a very active kid. as soon as i had my bowl of wheaties (i never like suger) i was off for the day into the woods, i would be back at dinner time for beef strfry on white rice.
when i hit puberty i went from stocky boy to "you'll never pass for a boy with that shape" overnight. so fast i even had strech marks from the new hour glass but i never had that nice flat tummy.
when i got married i gained forty pounds the first year and ten more each year after. he wanted to eat out alot and there was more more corn, wheat, dairy, and shellfish than i had ever eaten in my life. from an 8 to a 16 practicly over night was horrifying, i was twice the woman i used to be and it was not a good thing. there were emotional facters to that merrage that did not help eather becuse i could not go outside any more. i changed my life in more than one way when i got rid of him and found bt almost the same year. lost 25 pounds the first year. lost a dress size last year and i hope to do so again this year. my goal is that size 8 i started at. i was happy there even if i never had that nice flat tummy  :)
Posted by: EquiPro, Friday, April 15, 2011, 4:37pm; Reply: 34
Interesting:  the majority of Gatherer's who are either OK with their weight or are trying to gain weight are NON-SECRETORS~

I wonder if there is something there....
Posted by: jetsgirl15, Saturday, April 16, 2011, 2:24pm; Reply: 35
This poll is very interesting. Myself, I have struggled with my weight since I was 14.  Came from a big italian family: lots of pasta, bread and cheese!  Wish I had kinown then what I know now!  Who knew I was eating myself fat?? Anyway I reached my heaviest point last year at 240. (yikes!) Then I went vegan and getting rid of the dairy really helped. I lost about 50 pounds, but never felt really great. then the weight loss just stopped.  Recently came across GTD and everything fell into place.  Since starting the gatherer diet 8 weeks ago I have lost 17 more pounds and now weigh 173 and still losing!  Feel so much better without the wheat and corn and with the addition of meat back into my diet.! No more bloating, gas, cramping etc. It's like you finally figure out who you really are! Can't thank Dr. D enough!  Am really enjoying this journey! Next up, getting tested for secretor status.  
Posted by: dancergirl, Sunday, April 17, 2011, 7:46pm; Reply: 36
I am trying to working on, losing 60 lbs.  I am 5'10"  and weighed 125lbs until I had my first child at 32.
I just found out I am a gatherer and have to say I am pretty disappointed that I have thrifty genes. I feel like it is going to make it so much harder. Trying not to focus on that. I really resonated with where he says appetite control can be an issue for gatherers. I have had a pretty ravenous appetite my entire life, which was fine when I weighed 125, but not fine at 190. In college in my first nutrition class, we did a diet diary and plugged everything into a software program and I was eating around 3500 calories a day and almost 40% of it was fat.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, April 17, 2011, 9:52pm; Reply: 37
Someone that I'm close to is a Gatherer.  He was a slim man until he reached mid 50's.  Then suddenly weight became somewhat of a problem.  A very stressful period in his life triggered a quick weight gain of 20 pounds or so, that is coming off more slowly.
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Monday, May 9, 2011, 7:28pm; Reply: 38
I'm an ectomorphic skinny-fat:  5'1", body fat never goes below 17% no matter how much I exercise.  I was a tiny kid, like many of you the weight stuff started at 13-14; I weighed 97, then 110, then by the time I was a freshman in highschool 120.  Ive been exercising & dieting since 1987 trying to deal with it.  Was a vegan in college, total disaster.  Since 2001 have done some bt O stuff, more meat, less wheat etc.  In mid 2000s I started exercising more but underate......have never been willing to do what Dr. D says---- always so afraid of weight gain.  I burned o a few years ago & started to develop insulin resistance again.  This past Feb. I added dairy foods & oat bran, more meat & raw vwgetables& voila, I started losing body fat.  I just checked back on btd board about 10 days ago & saw genotype so of course I had to figure mine out.  Im an O & too short to be a Hunter, Explorer does not describe me.  Whoa kind of blown away.  I'm.40 & in perimenopause, was all prepared to get fat.  Guess Im not going to.  Happy!  What a genius Dr. D is. ;D
Posted by: Lola, Monday, May 9, 2011, 7:31pm; Reply: 39
welcome!
Posted by: SandrAruba, Wednesday, July 27, 2011, 2:38pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from diffy
I only began to lose it when I got onto thyroid meds. However, because the dose was too high I lost a lot of weight. I am now on a lower dose and hopefully the weight will come back on.


Gosh, I wish I could go on a higher dosage and drop the weight and when it's gone go back to the normal dosage. Unfortunately I get a lot of other issues when I am to high in dosage, like no sleeping...  8)

Wanna trade? I'll give you some of my overweight to compensate your underweight.  ;D

But seriously, don't feel bad about wanting to gain weight. It's a struggle no matter which way you want to go, up or down. Too much is not healthy, but not enough isn't either.
Posted by: Patty H, Wednesday, July 27, 2011, 3:07pm; Reply: 41
Ok, so I'm kind of confused here.  I thought the poll was for Gatherers, but I see a lot of Hunters responding and a lot of people who do not know their genotype or they have not put it on their avatar and a lot of people who have Hunter in their avatar but say they are following the Gatherer diet.  ??)  I did not respond to the poll because I am a Hunter, not a Gatherer.  Maybe I am wrong?  Either way, it has been good for me to see the difference in some of the O's and adding the B's into the mix.

Diffy, you sound more like a hunter.  Sahara, hunters can be short.  I am a hunter, as is Lola.  We are both very short.  My genotype was done at Dr. D's clinic in Wilton, CT, by Dr. Nash, so I know for sure that Hunters can be short.  I don't have a weight problem, but I did for 7 years, from age 18 -25.  Terrible time in my life  :-/  I do work hard to keep the weight off, though!

The reason this thread interests me so much is that my daughter is a gatherer.  She is 23 and is not on the diet, and refuses to even try it.  She has struggled with weight since just before puberty.  Although she struggles with weight, she has a great body image and I am grateful for that!  :)

I think my husband must be a gatherer, too, although his legs are more andric than gynic.  He is a bit of a puzzle.  He works out all the time, hard, so maybe that changes his body.  My husband has struggled with weight his entire life.  If he did not work out hard, he would definitely be much heavier than he is now.  He could lose some weight, but maybe 5 - 15 pounds.  He has a very stocky build - short and stocky.  Back a few years, his mother made a comment about him being overweight and I went to his defense.  He does have a stocky build, but he works out and is very muscular and has a pretty flat stomach, particularly compared to most men his age.  He will never look like an ectomorph or skinny.  He looks short, stocky and muscular.  Her image of him was the fat, little boy he was and I think that is often his body image, too.

I find it really interesting that my husband is in much better shape than my daughter, yet he has a bad body image and she has a good body image.  I try to help him with his body image, but old habits and beliefs die hard.  He and she both fit the Gatherer motto, too!
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, July 27, 2011, 5:44pm; Reply: 42
Patty, this thread has been here for a while. A lot of people have changed Genotype over time, especially since the advent of SWAMI software. People re-measured and found out they'd been following the wrong genotype, or SWAMI labeled them something else even though the Advanced Calculator in the GTD book said Gatherer.

A lot of people may have posted on this thread when they thought they were Gatherers, then later discovered that they're Hunters or Nomads or gave up on GTD and are just following BTD, etc. When you change your shield, it changes it for ALL your posts on the board, even the ones you made years ago.
Posted by: Patty H, Wednesday, July 27, 2011, 5:47pm; Reply: 43
Quoted from ruthiegirl
Patty, this thread has been here for a while. A lot of people have changed Genotype over time, especially since the advent of SWAMI software. People re-measured and found out they'd been following the wrong genotype, or SWAMI labeled them something else even though the Advanced Calculator in the GTD book said Gatherer.

A lot of people may have posted on this thread when they thought they were Gatherers, then later discovered that they're Hunters or Nomads or gave up on GTD and are just following BTD, etc. When you change your shield, it changes it for ALL your posts on the board, even the ones you made years ago.


Got it!  I got really confused . . . thanks for the explanation  ;D  It is really a great thread and helped me a lot, now that I am pretty sure I am living with two Gatherers.
Posted by: gardengirl, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 3:35pm; Reply: 44
From the book, I am a Gatherer. But, checking out this thread makes me question it. I do have to do the secretor test as I am assuming that I am a non-secretor as I fit the description to a tee. I sound very much like Diffy - small boned, thin (too thin right now and should post on how to put on a bit of weight). I think I may look thinner than what I am as my upper body is rather slight and lower body is rather average but the skinny arms make people think I am starving myself which is far from it. I have to say, I haven't tried the GTD as I am afraid to leave the BTD as I am using the arthritis edition and I think I will mess myself up since I question that I am true Gatherer as I didn't fit the physical type according to description. Even before my diet I could eat a lot (not healthy either) and keep the weight down to a comfortable size (6-8).
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, August 21, 2011, 3:14am; Reply: 45
If you're doing well on BTD, then I'd suggest sticking with that. If you want to fine-tune things later, consider getting SWAMI (computer program that calculates a diet just for you, taking into account blood type,  genotype, and your health history.)  The GTD book is a wonderful resource and explains things in much greater detail than the SWAMI printout does, but you may not benefit from following the diet straight from the book.

When you let SWAMI calculate your genotype (you enter in all the measuremetns and such you needed for the calculators in the book) it often comes up with something other than what the book says. And then, whatever genotype label it starts with, it will further customize the diet, incorporating some BTD values as well.
Posted by: Seraffa, Tuesday, May 8, 2012, 3:12am; Reply: 46
I'm finally getting SWAMI-ed by a friend this week. I wouldn't be surprised if I turn out to be a mix of "Explatherer" given my current weight; 197. I like collecting things (even if it's just written articles of stuff on the internet) bucolically relaxing, cocooning in my own home,  just as much as I like traveling and exploring. My skinniest was 118 when I was anorexic.(age 23)
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, May 17, 2012, 6:51am; Reply: 47
How tall are you Seraffa? I just checked out what 118 was in stones/kilos & realised my lightest at 21 was 126 lbs (9 stone) or 57 kgs!!
I got back down to 66kg's (145.5) at age 38 by living at the gym & barely eating, but it was unsustainable & once I stopped working out 24/7 I never stayed that low ::)
I had gradually crept back to 78kgs (171.6lbs or around 12 stone) by 10 years ago!! At 5'5" I'd actually be happy at 12 stone 170lbs again (having always been solid even as a kid - 11 stone in yr 4 high school) but like you I am a little (well a good) way off that atm :( ??)
Posted by: deblynn3, Monday, August 13, 2012, 9:24pm; Reply: 48
At 5'2" I'd be happy back down to 150lb and really felt good at that weight.  I'll never have a barbie doll body and realize that now.
Posted by: aisling, Monday, August 13, 2012, 10:16pm; Reply: 49
I went to the doctor today and my thyroid (I'm hypo) is off again, so maybe when medication is adjusted that will help me out.  I  have been working out and following diet about 85% compliant and haven't lost any weight in two months.  Doctor thinks maybe b/c of my thyroid being off again.  We'll see, here's to hoping and keeping up the work!
Posted by: 19994 (Guest), Sunday, September 2, 2012, 11:05am; Reply: 50
Hi. I am a 56% Gatherer by SWAMI and am about 25 kilograms (about 55 pounds) overweight.
I am a typical gatherer in that I have yo-yo dieted for almost 15 years.
I recently found the GTD and it makes alot of sense to me... but I am wondering how many other gatherers have had success losing weight on the diet... and for those that have, how strict you were? and what kind of exercise you did? And how you managed that line between not eating TOO much to add calories but not eating nothing and messing with your metabolism? I would also love to know how much you lost over what time frame too...... just a bit of motivation ;)
I am new to the forums here, and would really appreciate some help and support as I begin this journey......
Cheers
Selina.
Posted by: jeanb, Sunday, September 2, 2012, 12:06pm; Reply: 51
HI Selina:

I find that I watch my portion control through Swami and I exercise at least 6 x per week.  If I want to eat more, the exercise will take care of the food.  

I bike 20 - 30 minutes every day and then I will exercise with http://www.cathe.com videos.  In the summer I will golf 2 x per week (walk 18 holes) and in winter I will usually ski 2 x and walk/run every day.  

I inched up in weight in August (travel and eating).  This week I watched my portion control and followed my Swami exactly and exercised every day.  5 lbs came off.  I am supposed to hike about 12 km today, so I will see what happens tomorrow on the scale.

Weight mysteriously goes on at 3 times the rate that fat is lost on my body.
Posted by: Averno, Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 2:54pm; Reply: 52
Quoted from 19994
?..how strict you were? and what kind of exercise you did? And how you managed that line between not eating TOO much to add calories but not eating nothing and messing with your metabolism?


Hello Selina,

Well, these are the right questions. It sounds like you are on the right track.

My wife is a gatherer, and we are both "thrifty", having the genes that hoard calories. What we've learned in the 18 months that we've been following our respective plans is that a good, steady approach is best for both the excercise routine and the diet, since the body overreacts towards swings and spikes by not metabolizing food so that it may be used later should a state of famine occur. Being as compliant as possible will take some focus, but pays off with an even, steady weight drop and just as importantly, better health. Just don't try for rapid loss through deprevation, as this will trigger those genes to hoard calories. Follow the portion recommendations.

The Activator and Catalyst supplements will help enormously in helping to calm down those thrifty genes.

Good luck!
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, September 8, 2012, 5:52am; Reply: 53
http://www.genotypediet.com/gatherer.shtml
Posted by: finding sunshine, Friday, September 14, 2012, 4:26am; Reply: 54
Quoted from Lola


i have read some comments here for infrared sauna. i am a gatherer and following the diet. havent yet started the exercise part. although i am into exercising on and off.  :) i have had some positive changes with diet alone. now i am beginning the exercise part- soon!  ;)
i want to know if anybody has had ADDITIONAL benefits from sauna, seperate from the benefits of diet and exercise changes to lifestyle that was made for genotype diet.
i now want to focus on weight loss. so am thinking about buying the sauna. any thing to say?

anybody and everybody share your experience please.
Thankyou
Posted by: Lola, Friday, September 14, 2012, 5:02am; Reply: 55
have you tried this
http://www.4yourtype.com/WLP_BTD.asp
Posted by: EquiPro, Monday, September 17, 2012, 4:54pm; Reply: 56
I've found that taking a sauna regularly (not infrared for me)is really helpful in losing weight AND it makes me feel great.  I'm not in a place where I can take one regularly now, but they are opening a new YMCA right near me next spring, so I hope to get back to them ASAP.
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, September 20, 2012, 1:46am; Reply: 57
Good to know EQ  ;)
Posted by: RAW0+, Sunday, September 23, 2012, 12:10pm; Reply: 58
Quoted from 19994
Hi. I am a 56% Gatherer by SWAMI and am about 25 kilograms (about 55 pounds) overweight.
I am a typical gatherer in that I have yo-yo dieted for almost 15 years.
I recently found the GTD and it makes alot of sense to me... but I am wondering how many other gatherers have had success losing weight on the diet... and for those that have, how strict you were? and what kind of exercise you did? And how you managed that line between not eating TOO much to add calories but not eating nothing and messing with your metabolism? I would also love to know how much you lost over what time frame too...... just a bit of motivation ;)
I am new to the forums here, and would really appreciate some help and support as I begin this journey......
Cheers
Selina.

First off all try with kelp if you don't have Hyperthyroidism. You get rid of the water between cells, even 1 kg per a day.

Posted by: Lola, Sunday, December 9, 2012, 4:24pm; Reply: 59
Quoted Text
try with kelp if you don't have Hyperthyroidism. You get rid of the water between cells, even 1 kg per a day.


http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP044
Posted by: Jacquie, Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 7:58am; Reply: 60
My husband is a type O Gatherer (non-secretor) and he currently feels ugly because he is 50 lbs. overweight (6'1" - 230 lbs.). He had lost 30 lbs. last year by sticking to the diet and doing Jillian Michaels 30 Day Shred but then he gained it all back (even though he was still sticking to the diet) because he stopped exercising due to starting a new job. Now that he has been made permanent he has full access (for free) to the gym at work and uses it every day after work for 30 min. but he's still worried that he won't be able to keep the weight off and he's ruined himself some how.  He was in great shape when he was younger because he wanted to join the military (that changed). I wish I could make him feel better about himself. It's hard for me to relate because I've never had trouble with weight gain. I've always had a super fast metabolism. I try to do what I can to encourage him but sometimes I feel helpless when he feels this way.  I'm sure some of it is due to stress as well and I do understand how hard it can be to motivate yourself to workout and eat healthy when you feel down in the dumps. He struggles with feeling sad a lot too. But he's lost both is parents. He's been through a lot.  Anyway, just thought I'd share.
Posted by: 28401 (Guest), Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 6:12pm; Reply: 61
Does anyone know if you can drink Whey Protein if you are an A positive blood type?
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 7:14pm; Reply: 62
welcome!
find out how it rates for you through SWAMI

More information on SWAMI diets can be found at:
http://www.4yourtype.com/swamixp_video.asp
http://www.dadamo.com/media/swami.htm
http://www.dadamo.com/media/gtd.htm
Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 8:08pm; Reply: 63
Jacquie,
you are a sweet, supportive spouse...hubby is fortunate. ((hug))
Posted by: Jacquie, Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 10:59pm; Reply: 64
Thank you, jayneeo. Was thinking about getting him Fucus Plus and/or Glycoscia to help him out. Hmm might also go with CLA. I told him about the different supps. He is very eager to try them.
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, January 31, 2013, 7:32am; Reply: 65
those sound good....keeping carbs low will help (gatherers' downfall).
Posted by: yaeli, Thursday, January 31, 2013, 9:28am; Reply: 66
Quoted from 19994
Hi. I am a 56% Gatherer by SWAMI and am about 25 kilograms (about 55 pounds) overweight.
I am a typical gatherer in that I have yo-yo dieted for almost 15 years.
I recently found the GTD and it makes alot of sense to me... but I am wondering how many other gatherers have had success losing weight on the diet... and for those that have, how strict you were? and what kind of exercise you did? And how you managed that line between not eating TOO much to add calories but not eating nothing and messing with your metabolism? I would also love to know how much you lost over what time frame too...... just a bit of motivation ;)
I am new to the forums here, and would really appreciate some help and support as I begin this journey......
Cheers
Selina.
Hi Selina,
I've been on BTD/GTD/Swami for almost 7 years, lost around 20 kilos, and still carry 3-4 kilos overweight. Right now I do light gymnastics. When I was frequenting the gym (half a year in 2007) I worked out mainly on the multi-trainer and loved it. I NEVER count calories. I've found it better to train myself to eat only when I am hungry. The hardest thing was to give up wheat 'cold turkey'. My first solution were Wasa rye crackers. I ate them all the time, tons of them, and I still lost lots of weight quite rapidly. Right now my carbs are basmati rice, rice noodles (organic) and rice cakes. If you follow Swami's quantities recommendations, don't worry! Your metabolism is safe and you are safe. I can't tell how strict I've been. Quite strict. I don't touch avoids. I train myself to stay away from black dots I used to love. It takes time, but it's possible. The fact that this diet is soooo right makes it not just possible, but eventually very easy. It makes you happy. What more would one ask for? It sounds such an absurd, for an Israeli to avoid tomatoes and cucumbers, the basic Israeli ("Arabic style") salad ingredients. These two are avoids for me and I don't miss them one bit. But the avoids thing becomes minute and negligible, as a whole new fascinating world of wondrous knowledge unfolds before your amazed eyes.
I wish you lots of success and lot of fun!  :)
Posted by: Averno, Thursday, January 31, 2013, 12:42pm; Reply: 67
Quoted from yaeli
...The fact that this diet is soooo right makes it not just possible, but eventually very easy. It makes you happy. What more would one ask for?

...the avoids thing becomes minute and negligible, as a whole new fascinating world of wondrous knowledge unfolds before your amazed eyes.
I wish you lots of success and lot of fun!  :)


So true, Yaeli, so true! (clap)(clap)(clap)
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, January 31, 2013, 8:02pm; Reply: 68
Quoted from Averno


So true, Yaeli, so true! (clap)(clap)(clap)


I strongly agree!!  Thanks for saying this so clearly, Yaeli!
Posted by: yaeli, Friday, February 1, 2013, 10:03am; Reply: 69
Thanks dear friends!  :K)
Posted by: kiki13, Saturday, February 2, 2013, 6:42am; Reply: 70
Hi everyone, I'm new here and have just recently done my SWAMI!  In my heart I knew I was a gatherer, although I thought I could be a hunter.  Growing up I was a healthy chubby baby, and always called muscular, or stocky as a kid.  I was an athlete in middle/high school and maintained a muscular shape although I became curvy.  I was a very picky eater growing up and mainly ate vegetarian, but would eat chicken now and then.  I was a slow eater and never was part of the "clean plate club".
Then I joined the military.  In basic training I was forced to eat very rapidly and you know the food was terrible!  I found myself piling food in my face, and not caring what it was that I ate.  After basic training the weight started to come on.  I had lost the ability to sense fullness to stop eating, and wasn't required to exercise as strenuously.
Over the years I have gained and lost, but mostly gained, and recently have reached an all time high on the scale.  I have tried nearly every diet under the sun.  I am a nurse, and have had the food pyramid shoved down my throat for soooooo long.  About 5 years ago I gave up MOST processed foods, after finding a very large beetle in a can of progresso soup.  GAG!  So I then mainly focused on vegetables and whole grains, and only ate meat when dining out.  Then I tried going gluten free, and then I dabbled in the paleo  diet.  I could never quite stick to either and now I am really feeling the effects of my weight gain.  Shaping up to hit rock bottom.  I am very sure that I am insulin resistant.  I can eat 1300 calories a day and exercise regularly and still gain weight.  So here I am at the recommendation of my acupuncturist.
I have been following my SWAMI for a few weeks now, although it's a transitioning process.  I have tried my best to eat as many beneficials as possible, and cut out avoids.  So far it's been pretty good.  I have less bloating and gas, and I think I'm starting to feel the fullness sensation again.  It is a challenge as well.  The hardest avoids for me are vinegars, avocado, and cauliflower, and cheese!  So sad!  It's also been a challenge to eat the red meat.  Thankfully I can have lots of fish!  I have been experiencing headaches almost daily since starting.  My acupuncturist thinks it's from the detoxifying my body is doing.  I haven't had too many cravings, but with the headaches and my very physical job, some evenings I feel like eating comfort foods. (which for me are things like thai food)  
Anyway, it's good to be here!  Cheers!  
Posted by: ApplesCarrotsnGrain, Saturday, February 2, 2013, 7:37am; Reply: 71
Kiki, I totally know the struggle! My body rebelled after I had my first kid. I tried everything the "right way" (I'm a born and raised vegetarian, so always ate lots of veggies, fruits, whole grain products). Over the last 8 yrs. I spent 4 of them religiously keeping a diet and exercise journal, counting calories, etc. I was walking 7 miles a day and had dropped my calories to 600-900 a day and even had days when it was as low as 400 calories a day. I did manage to lose 35 lbs doing that but I hit a brick wall and the weight came on no matter that I exercised harder, added the gym to it, etc. Blood tests came back "normal" and the Drs all acted like I was lying and they didn't have answers. One told me to up my calorie intake to 1200. I did and promptly gained 10 lbs. in 2 months. After I added the gym to it all I gained 20 lbs in 3 months. Mentally that's when I hit rock bottom.

Saw an endocrinologist and I am insulin resistant. It took another couple of yrs but they also discovered I have lupus, sjogren's and a thyroid problem.

See, you're not alone in the stubborn weight that won't budge. On a plus note, with the meat and slowly getting my diet adjusted to the Gatherer (still working on potatoes and corn), the synthroid being increased (they're still playing with doses) I've lost 11 lbs. It's been slow but it's gaining speed.
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, February 2, 2013, 2:59pm; Reply: 72
I really wonder IF  Gatherers ought all be on Thyroid meds..

Not that we are sick according to the measurements by modern medicine, but that we just are different and OUR NUMBERS ought to be measured differently?????!!!!!

I think just like the docs suggested higher numbers for cholesterol for years and then they changed them, could it not be that WE Gatherers are a different BREED and we need our own numbers? as in different test results???


I am coming to the conclusion that DR D can NOT tell us what to do that is outside what is the current Medical NORM, as then he is going against whatever ..

BUT we as a group, could we decide to do something different?  I MEAN we are the ones suffering and we are the ones getting sick from the NORM.. Could we do a study of our own and just try to support the THYROID in some way?

Would any of you have experiences of some sort that would help this?

I wonder if WE do not deserve better?

We would not have to start out with a full dose of something, but maybe a smaller amount at first and then build up on it? I wonder why we could not be recognized by US at least that WE deserve better...  

What do you think?
  


Posted by: kiki13, Saturday, February 2, 2013, 5:24pm; Reply: 73
If only, Goldie!  I can't see the AMA, FDA, or any insurance company going for that!  Maybe I am wrong, but I dont' get the sense that western medicine has any room for the BTD/GTD.   :(
A few years ago I was sure that my thyroid was burned out due to weight gain and constantly feeling fatigued.  I had read that sometimes your thyroid can be on the fritz even if your TSH and free T4 are normal. Previously my TSH and free T4 were in the normal range but at the top and bottom of normal.  So I asked for a full thyroid panel as per the article i had read.  Everything still came back normal and my doctor and her nurse said, "just keep on dieting and exercising and it will come off eventually!"  >:(
I am choosing to work with my acupuncturist to get my body back in tune internally and hopefully things will change externally too!  I used to wish that there was something wrong with me (like hypothyroid)  so that I would know why my body seems to gain weight just by looking at food! But alas, nothing is. I even have wonderful cholesterol levels depite being overweight.  I am happy in my life in every other way, and have accepted that this is my life's challenge.  So I'll just keep on battling!
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, February 3, 2013, 5:28pm; Reply: 74
I am now researching Thyroid Foods.. to support OUR thyroid HEALTH which I think is way different from all others.  Just look at the poll above.. I had to laugh out loud when i looked at it.


In this video they talk about DR Leo Gallant.. A old time doc who has studied many things.. I might trust him..

The video is ridiqulously long and I found it very annoying.. but the doctor is underlining nthat certain hormones and thyroid issues are a key..

I am not yet looking to order this but it might be interesting..

also I am looking at foods list that are supportive of thyroid issues..


Here is a link that is really interesting about different Magnesium for Thyroid testing..

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2010/05/19/magnesium/


Foods to avoid list for thyrpid function..

http://www.thyrophoenix.com/bad_foods.htm

I am now less wondering why I should not have more then 5 eggs a week.. finally on answer to why not 2 a day!
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 7:16pm; Reply: 75
Welcome Kiki!! I suggest you get your secretor status tested. If it turns out that you're a non-secretor, you'll probably be able to eat avocado again.

I usually use lemon or lime juice in place of vinegar in any recipe.
Posted by: kiki13, Thursday, February 7, 2013, 12:42am; Reply: 76
Quoted from ruthiegirl
Welcome Kiki!! I suggest you get your secretor status tested. If it turns out that you're a non-secretor, you'll probably be able to eat avocado again.

I usually use lemon or lime juice in place of vinegar in any recipe.



Thanks for the welcome!!!!  I will have to get the test done!  Do non-secretors get more foods in general or less?  I have been using lemon and lime in place of white vinegars, but I LOVE balsalmic, and I will try to eventually phase it out.... ;)

Posted by: Goldie, Monday, February 11, 2013, 1:00pm; Reply: 77
It will not be about more foods but more foods good for your type..

all is a step in the right direction..

Geno still changes again what we know but all makes some sense..  

Those items that where avoid always in all books, they ought to be off limit, but if avocado is good sometimes and avoid at other times then I would cheat with those items rather then the total avoids.

I got oranges and apples as a neutral.. shocking after decades of them being avoid..   I still will avoid them, unless it is a real urgent food to need at all coast!
Posted by: aussielady582, Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 1:40am; Reply: 78
To lose weight, incorporate more fresh raw vegetable juices esp first thing in the morning, fresh raw salad, fresh fruit; in other words, the foods which are living and contain enzymes which our body needs - also some sunflower sprouts, mung bean sprouts, broccoli sprouts.  Also, exercise is best between 5 and 7am which in Chinese philosophy is 'Time of Transformation' or between 6am and 10am which is kapha time (Ayurvedic philopshy). the weight should come off easily.  Try not to eat after around 5 or 6pm, this allows digestive organs and glands to rest and regenerate at night during sleep.
The body needs greens, as we share most of the same genes with the chimpanzee - what do they eat? lots of fresh leafy greens, fresh fruit and a small amount of insects/bark.  Humans may have lost their way thanks to misinformation, too much cooked/baked foods esp the starches, flour products, sweeteners, process and packaged product, and the dreaded legumes and soy products.
Keep it simple, eat fresh living foods, moderate portions and maybe do a regular 24 hour fast, juice fast for a few weeks, then a water fast.  supplements not necessary if you make your own vegetable juices at  home which are live with enzymes, and easy to digest.
Posted by: kitari, Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 2:28am; Reply: 79
So aussielady do you eat meat, poultry, and fish raw? Are you on the BTD or GTD?
Posted by: aussielady582, Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 2:38am; Reply: 80
Hello Kitari,  at present, I am not eating meat, poultry and fish at all.  I used to eat a little raw salmon in a sushi roll occasionaly, but these days, I am a type O, who is mostly raw vegetarian eater - focusing more on live fresh foods and juices; this means fresh lemon juice in water around 6am, a fresh vegetable juice first thing for breaky with soaked seeds and or nuts;  lunch is a salad with land vegetables like spinach and other root vegetables, a little sea veg and some whole food fat like tahini, almond butter, avocado or olives.  I may make a small fresh veg juice just before the salad.  Last meal of the day is another fresh juice of say - beet juice/fennel/cucumber/apple/celery to support the kidneys and other organs/glands followed by some fresh fruit.  I will either have some grain like oats or sprouted break at this time or some raw organic goat milk. Maybe some fresh cream over my fruit with a sprinkle of spice like ground cumin, cardamom, cinnamon, tumeric. and a little honey is my sweetener used, I have reduced my intake of other sweeteners, after some thought and reading. I hardly eat any cooked or baked foods, nor desserts/sweets at present as am trying to improve my health and digestive function.
Posted by: Possum, Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 8:23pm; Reply: 81
So - eating as an A then?
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 8:43pm; Reply: 82
The key is to figure out what works best for you personally. Some do best with intermittent fasting (IF)which basically means eating only one or two meals a day and fasting for several hours every single day. I've tried that and felt weak and miserable. I'm doing much better eating frequent, small meals- and when I'm energized, I'm able to exercise. Time will tell if I lose weight this way.

The raw juicing is working well for aussielady, but I know it wouldn't work for me.
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:54pm; Reply: 83
I was told for years to eat more oils, and it made no difference...

Then.. finally... I read to take a spoon of oil and feel satisfied for 3 hours.  I am able to chose the oil or food or a snack the way I read about it in the  Shangri-la diet and found my key to my satisfaction I never had before. 'I' stop the constant wanting, the pain under my left rib, and the decades long straining in the bathroom. (took 2 month)

I talk here of 'choosing' every day.. current time-frame.

Nothing food wise needed to change, just exchanging the oil for snacks. The rules are simple, yet if I do not take the oil I quickly succumb to 'hunger'pangs, or cravings for avoids and lose 'satisfaction and quiet peace in my head.. The missing piece in the BTD puzzle for me.

As for other means to nourish a body.. to each his or her own..  so long as we have good info, we can make choices. So long as we are willing to try and be truthful about the choices we make - what more would you wish for?  



Posted by: DebInOH, Thursday, June 13, 2013, 3:38pm; Reply: 84
Exactly !  I started 4 weeks ago with the premise to take Cod Liver Oil everytime I was hungry.  I did this 2x a day then ate a nutritional meal.  

It worked !! ( for me ) It gave me the push I needed to get on track.  I am an O+ gatherer and got every book written by Dr. D.  It fits me perfectly.  

I still take the CLO in the a.m. then 3 very simple meals throughout the day.  I also worked in 30 minutes a day on the treadmill..I feel absolutely great ! ;D
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, June 13, 2013, 5:00pm; Reply: 85
LOL..
Posted by: walk_the_walk, Thursday, June 13, 2013, 10:38pm; Reply: 86
Hello Everyone!

This is my first post! ::) I decided to post now because I saw DebinOH made her first post earlier today, and decided it was time for me to speak up too!  :B -  I am 40lb overweight.


I'm an out and out Gatherer - what I mean by that is that on page 90 of GTD, penultimate paragraph, Dr D. says,

..."Unlike the Basic Calculator, which asks you to strength-test four possible GT's, the Intermediate Calculator narrows the possible choices down to two candidates, and in special circumstances will even specify a single, winning GT"....

Me = Gatherer at page 90 - hooray! -  Fling myself immediately and totally into wheat, corn, potato, coffee, sugar, milk, candy, soy-free zone over the past 3 weeks - I feel FANTASTIC and I've lost 10lb, I'm SO pleased.

Yes, I've had mild "Low carb flu" symptoms as my body adjusts, mostly in the afternoons and evenings - I embrace it as part of the healing.

I've stuck to the book as Lola's signature says, I've treadmilled my 2-3 miles brisk walking everyday bar 2. I've made sure to do my warm-up and down lengthening stretches. I also do the Hunter nostril breathing technique for cortisol levels. Everyday it gets easier and therefore more enjoyable...

I treadmill listening to Audiobooks or music (depending on my mood), for me, it's best in the early morning, AFTER I've had a cup of tea, slice of watermelon or grapefruit segments, had a bowel movement and welcomed the day!

I'm so energised then, that I can have my breakfast and supplements - here's my favourite breakfast recipe: -

Quinoa (diamond) - I cup of cooked (has to be al dente, not soggy, overcooked, water-logged)
Raw RED onion (superfood) - up to 1 cup chopped finely (test for pungency -  can be very strong)
Raw ripe, washed, room temp tomatoes seeds in (diamond)  - 1 cup (or more) diced small
Handful chopped fresh parsley (diamond) - don't be mean a good handful!
Toasted pumpkin seeds (diamond) - generous sprinkle
EVOO (diamond) - liberal drizzle all over
Balsamic vinegar (neutral) - carefully balanced drizzle
Sea Salt (superfood) - liberal sprinkle

To me, this is sunshine in a bowl, SO yummy, great colours, great flavours...

That's me for now, will post again soon and look forward to replies / comments / questions etc

Ta Ta for now :K)

Carla
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, June 14, 2013, 12:21am; Reply: 87
Very AWESOME, Carla...  
It is good to see new people embrace this lifestyle for their good health.
As you've seen, it isn't always roses, but the results are wonderful - and keep getting better.
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, June 14, 2013, 12:26am; Reply: 88
Quoted from aussielady582
Hello Kitari,  at present, I am not eating meat, poultry and fish at all.  I used to eat a little raw salmon in a sushi roll occasionaly, but these days, I am a type O, who is mostly raw vegetarian eater - focusing more on live fresh foods and juices;...

While this may feel great and be doing well for you at the moment, only rarely can a Type O eat vegetarian long-term without negative health consequences...
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, June 18, 2013, 5:18am; Reply: 89
welcome carla! :)
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, June 18, 2013, 6:37am; Reply: 90
Quoted Text
Quinoa (diamond) - I cup of cooked (has to be al dente, not soggy, overcooked, water-logged)
Raw RED onion (superfood) - up to 1 cup chopped finely (test for pungency -  can be very strong)
Raw ripe, washed, room temp tomatoes seeds in (diamond)  - 1 cup (or more) diced small
Handful chopped fresh parsley (diamond) - don't be mean a good handful!
Toasted pumpkin seeds (diamond) - generous sprinkle
EVOO (diamond) - liberal drizzle all over
Balsamic vinegar (neutral) - carefully balanced drizzle
Sea Salt (superfood) - liberal sprinkle


I am blown away..  Not making judgement, yet asking , this is every morning?

Welcome.. and keep up whatever works to drop the extra pounds.  go to the end. do not stop.. fab!
Posted by: walk_the_walk, Monday, June 24, 2013, 12:18pm; Reply: 91
Thanks ABJoe, Lola and Goldie for the warm welcome ;D

I thought I had set up the RSS feed to alert me when new posts were made here, but clearly not, so sorry for the delay in responding..

Goldie - yes, I do if the sun is shining and I fancy a cold breakfast.  - For the past two days the weather has been cold and rainy, so instead I had basmati rice cooked with the indian curry spices, onions, currants, toasted flaked almonds and toasted pumpkin seeds with fresh cilantro and sea salt - YUMMY! I don't have a sweet tooth at all, and prior to 1 month ago, if you had shown me a pack of potato chips, I would've shown you an empty packet!! Oh yes...

I now eat the grain carbs ONLY at breakfast, and I now do so BEFORE I do my 4 mile walk on the treadmill - I'm working on the principles of (a) metabolic cooking and (b) food combining.

(a) The first is to immediately work of the carbs just consumed, rather than burn lean muscle tissue by exercising on a relatively empty stomach.

(b) I know Dr D doesn't really advocate food combining as the BTD/GTD does that intrinsically. But I AM a fat pig who needs to lose weight and at the top of GTD page 183 (I love you Lola  :K) ) :-

..."8. Try not to combine starches and proteins. Good food combining (eating meats with high-fibre veg and carbs by themselves) enhances the transit time of the meal through the gut, which lowers the demands on the immune cells that line the digestive tract. Decreasing the workload of the immune system in the gut increases its ability to function efficiently, which decreases inflammation. Don't stress over it, but if your plate looks like good food combining, smile and pat yourself on the back." ;)

What do you think guys?...

Carla :)
Posted by: Lola, Monday, June 24, 2013, 3:13pm; Reply: 92
Carla, above all, love and respect yourself.....never forget you are the most important part in your life....

That said, take it one day at a time, plan ahead, stay focused, let go off your burden.....
practice positive reinforcement

have you done the initial test?

http://www.4yourtype.com/WLP_BTD.asp
Posted by: walk_the_walk, Monday, June 24, 2013, 4:23pm; Reply: 93
Hi Lola,

Thanks for your wise words - please let me re-assure you that I do really love and respect myself - it must have been my British tongue-in-cheek sense of humour getting the better of me when I referred to myself as a fat pig!!! (tee hee) Ooops, I did it again!!

I mentioned you after the comment because every time I feel a waiver coming on, I think of your auto-signature, which is a quote from Dr. D...and it helps...

Yes I have done the initial test, and it says GTD, and I am an out-and-out Gatherer - and am REALLY enjoying the diet. On Weds it'll be 4 weeks, and so far I have lost 12lbs, so I'm not complaining...far from it.

On 13th August I am donating blood for the first time, so will find out my Rh+/- status. When I hit a plateau after that I'll do the Secretor test, and the plateau after that, I'll do a SWAMI express. I'm doing 4 of the Supplements already and want to try the O Deflect next time I order - I don't want to do it all at the starting line because I won't be able to tell which has the most impact for me.

I've also been doing a lot of reading on the site, and I have a couple of questions, but I'll post those in the relevant Threads soon (One is about Transdermal Magnesium and the other about Mackerel).

Thanks again for your support (I'm being rushed to take the dogs on their afternoon hike so must dash for now).

Carla :)
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, June 29, 2013, 5:30am; Reply: 94
good to know! :)

here are past threads on TM http://www.bing.com/search?cp=1252&FORM=FREESS&q=Transdermal+Magnesium&q1=site%3Adadamo.com
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