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Posted by: 1493 (Guest), Saturday, January 12, 2008, 4:32am
the book says that fertility is a strength that Gatherers can count on.

which is so frustrating to read when I am so very a gatherer, and have been unable to have children.

I know I know they're just generalizations, but still...

any other gatherers out there who can't count on the strength of their fertlity?
Posted by: Whimsical, Saturday, January 12, 2008, 4:47am; Reply: 1
Well, nothing is absolute.  

It might be more useful to use information from the book in a wholistic manner.  Ie: these are the typical strengths and susceptibilities of your genotype, here is some information on how to AMPLIFY your strengths (one of which is fertility) and MUTE your weaknesses.  It is possible that by using the Gatherer recommendations you can improve your fertility.  

In your particular case, perhaps in addition to the information in the book, you need more personalized attention from a natural health practitioner, either Dr. D himself or someone else.  Even so, there is no guarantee that you will be able to carry and deliver a child, which is definitely frustrating.   :-/
Posted by: 1493 (Guest), Saturday, January 12, 2008, 5:55am; Reply: 2
I know all that, like I said that stuff is generalizations.  

I was just looking to connect with other gatherers in my same boat.  It refines the boat a little you know, I'm likely to have more in common with gatherers than warriors in terms of specific no baby woes.

and of course I've tried "personal attention"
I've seen naturopaths, homeopaths, dr's of TCM, accupuncturists, energy workers, nutritionists and western model fertility docs.

believe me
no one needs to remind me that I'm not likely to ever carry a pregnancy to term
Posted by: Squirrel, Saturday, January 19, 2008, 3:14am; Reply: 3
Me too, and I'm sure I read that part with the same frustration and confusion.

We've been trying for over 7 years. Nothing medically wrong has been found, but 3 IUIs, 5 IVFs and 1 miscarriage later we're no further forward. With basically good health all round, this is the main reason we're trying the BTD and now the GTD.

PM me if you want to share experiences? {{{{{hugs}}}}}
Posted by: 796 (Guest), Monday, January 21, 2008, 3:22pm; Reply: 4
coming out of the woodwork for that one, haven't posted yet since English is not my native language and I was too scared to make too many mistakes  ;D

I was wondering about that fertility part too, since we are trying for years now. Just found out last august that I have pco-syndrome and that is not uncommon but rarely diagnosed because of uninformed doctors. Go figure - at least I have a name to put on the condition. Hope the gatherer diet helps though.  
Posted by: Lloyd, Monday, January 21, 2008, 5:30pm; Reply: 5
Hi Wanda, welcome.

Your English is better than many native speakers.  ;D Hope you feel free to post more frequently!

Lloyd
Posted by: jayneeo, Monday, January 21, 2008, 5:38pm; Reply: 6
Wanda, I believe the GTD will help address your condition, there are a number of women on this board who have PCOS and are seeking improvement (and getting some, I believe)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 21, 2008, 8:54pm; Reply: 7
allthingsintime, how long (if at all) were you on the BTD before starting the GTD?  I just ask because my own experience (and I may have PCOS, too, I'm not sure, but I fit the profile and have had an OB/Gyn years ago make a comment to me that now makes me think that is what she was referring to--long story) was that, upon getting onto the BTD, my periods normalized whereas before they could get irregular and sometimes disappear altogether.  You might find that the GTD really helps balance your PCOS issues and address that situation.  I hope it does and that you will be able to conceive a child one day!

As for that aspect of your genotype not seeming to "fit", remember that every single thing about our types may not seem to hit home with us, as they are generalizations that apply to most folks in the type, but there will be exceptions to the rule.  For example, if you are highly sensitive to caffeine, it is supposed to be almost certain that you're an Explorer, yet I'm a Gatherer and I am HIGHLY sensitive to caffeine.  So, we can all find something about another genotype that applies to us, and something about our own type that doesn't ring true, but don't you find that, in general, you "recognize" yourself in the majority of the Gatherer description?  I sure do.  I knew that would be my type before I got the book *lol*!  Just from the snippets I read on line!  I mean, I knew it could come out something else, but I was sure it wouldn't!  Similarly, I knew from ER4YT that I was a non-secretor, knew it as sure as I know it snows in Vermont in winter, yet until a few years later when LR4YT came out and I got a secretor test, it wasn't confirmed.

Anyway...it is possible for a Gatherer to have PCOS, especially given our hormone issues.  The generalization applies to a Gatherer body in perfect balance, then she or he would be a model of fertility.  And I'm hoping that this diet will help you get into better hormonal balance, and become fertile.  It may not work for you enough in that specific area to make a difference, but I think there is a very decent shot!!!  Give it a few months and see if anything changes.

Good luck, I can tell how much you want to conceive.  I hope it happens for you one day.
Posted by: 796 (Guest), Monday, January 21, 2008, 9:48pm; Reply: 8
Thanks for the welcome. I feel pretty much at home already since I have been reading the forum for a while. Even all the old archives, so I know most of you pretty well already.  ;D

Well have been living in the US for a while, but I'm starting to forget things since I don't have much opportunity to speak English here.

In regards to diet I have been on the BTD for a year now, having only the occasional avoid. Have been doing the BTD halfheartedly for a while before that.
The PCOS has probably never been diagnosed before because I have a regular cycle and so I am not a typical case. Just the other symptoms fit like the weight issue and the glucose intolerance.

Otherwise everything about the GT2 fits - I strength test for Gatherer with 17 points - so I knew before I got my copy of the book that I'm a Gatherer. Did the wrong measuring on hubby though. Thought he is an Explorer (nothing fits him there at all) so we did it again and he is a Nomad. (thats what I first thought anyway) lol

But since I'm feeling better already, ok its in my mind since I started yesterday  ;D  ;D, and my OB/Gyn is sending us to a Fertility Center, we will have a bit more help with the issue; so I'm still pretty confident we will succeed.
Posted by: Squirrel, Tuesday, January 22, 2008, 4:05am; Reply: 9
Good luck to you Wanda - I hope the Fertility Centre can help you.  :)
Posted by: famlovpc, Tuesday, January 22, 2008, 1:28pm; Reply: 10
Hello! I am a brand new member, as of a few minutes ago. I have been following the Diet for years. I am very much a dinosaur, I see, compared to most folks here. I have a question: What in the world are Gatherers? I see there are fertility issues with them????? What's a Teacher? I never had fertility issues, unless you think if my husband's pants were hungon the line, I would get pregnant....that's how it is in my family-we're a liiiiitttle bit TOO fertile. Anyway, would anyonecare t educate me just a tad? Thanks!
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, January 22, 2008, 2:59pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from famlovpc
Hello! I am a brand new member, as of a few minutes ago.

Well, a hearty welcome to you!
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I have been following the Diet for years. I am very much a dinosaur, I see, compared to most folks here. I have a question: What in the world are Gatherers? I see there are fertility issues with them????? What's a Teacher? I never had fertility issues, unless you think if my husband's pants were hungon the line, I would get pregnant....that's how it is in my family-we're a liiiiitttle bit TOO fertile. Anyway, would anyonecare t educate me just a tad? Thanks!

The types of Gatherer and Teacher are two of six human genotypes that Dr. D. has identified through his continuing research into what I call nutrigenomics but I think he really looks at it as part of a field called "epigenetics", namely, how do our genes interact with our environment?  Each of the six genotypes responds to and interacts with the environment in different ways.  We have evolved with different coping strategies, if you will, and these very much affect what our ideal diet should be.  Basically, the blood type diet that you are on is in a league of its own compared to other diets out there, mainly in terms of how customized it is to the individual.  But the GTD takes this customization even further in the sense of using an entire profile of "you", versus just one very important aspect of your entire profile (namely, blood type).  For a great deal more information about this, get Dr. D.'s newest book, The Genotype Diet.  There is also a new website that is apparently run by the publisher of the book, and it is the official website of the Genotype Diet, so you might want to check it out, and it is called http://www.genotypediet.com.  This site here that you just joined is Dr. D.'s own site and it has been the home of the blood type diet community for years, and will continue to be.  We also have this coolio new forum that you posted your post in, which is for informal discussion of the Genotype Diet, and a place for us to support each other on the Genotype Diet journey.

Many people in our community are still following the BTD, some of us are "graduating", if you will, to the GTD, some are exploring combining the two (like our Cheryl is following the BTD but incorporating some of the new Gatherer superfoods into it, as she types out as a Gatherer).

Anyway, welcome again, and enjoy exploring this site, it is very "substance dense" and fun to trek around!  And you cannot beat the support, information and camaraderie you will find here.

Posted by: famlovpc, Tuesday, January 22, 2008, 6:13pm; Reply: 12
Kyosha, Thank you so much for your hearty welcome, and support! I clicked on the link you rovidied. I can't swing buying the book now, though. It looks like I'm a warrior, but a nice one, at that. :). It says Hunters are type O. I guess an A can't be a Hunter. I am tall and lean, and at my best, leanmuscular. I don't know what video they're talking about. I believe my upper legs are longer than my lower. I don't know exactly how to measure. I'm long-leged and have a relatively shorter trunk. I don't fit any other description except Hunter or Warrior, but again, supposedly only O's can be Hunters. I will say, I am an A1O. I have sooo much O o all sides...I'm an A, but Mom was half O, and her father was, and My Dad and his 2 parents were. Don't kno if this means much. Thanks.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, January 22, 2008, 6:37pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from famlovpc
Kyosha, Thank you so much for your hearty welcome, and support!

You're welcome.  And, fyi, "kyosha nim" is my "belt title" (see:  http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-ref/m-1097503925/), not my name, which is "Peppermint Twist"...actually, my name is Edna, but Peppermint Twist is what I go by in these here parts.  I answer to Peppermint Twist, Twisty, Twist, Edna, pretty much anything you can dream up, I'll come running!
Quoted from famlovpc
I clicked on the link you rovidied. I can't swing buying the book now, though. It looks like I'm a warrior, but a nice one, at that. :). It says Hunters are type O. I guess an A can't be a Hunter. I am tall and lean, and at my best, leanmuscular. I don't know what video they're talking about. I believe my upper legs are longer than my lower. I don't know exactly how to measure. I'm long-leged and have a relatively shorter trunk. I don't fit any other description except Hunter or Warrior, but again, supposedly only O's can be Hunters. I will say, I am an A1O. I have sooo much O o all sides...I'm an A, but Mom was half O, and her father was, and My Dad and his 2 parents were. Don't kno if this means much. Thanks.

Well, I totally understand the no money thing, but if you can possibly swing the book, I'd go for it.  It is pretty cheap via Amazon.com (looks like it is on sale right now for $16.47, which is a bargain as it is a nice hardcover edition).  The book really goes into detail on doing all the measurements, etc.  The videos people are talking about are ones that Dr. D. has up on youtube that really help you with detailed instructions on how to do the measurements, plus he has some other videos on there, discussing the Genotype Diet, etc.  To find the videos, go here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/GenoTypeDiet

Then scroll down and click on whichever one you wish to view.

Well, have we overloaded you with too much information yet?  No worries, mate, just hang out here a while and you will absorb a lot.  And, since you are already on the BTD, no need to worry about not having the GTD yet, you are already in good shape with what was, until a few weeks ago, the greatest diet plan on earth!  The GTD just takes things to, as Emeril would say, "Notches unknown!", so eventually you will probably want to get it, but no rush.  No worries, mate!

:)
Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, January 23, 2008, 2:26am; Reply: 14
famlov, you could be a teacher.........? And welcome!
Posted by: 1493 (Guest), Wednesday, January 23, 2008, 5:27am; Reply: 15
I've only been doing hte BTD since september. In June I went gluten free for the celiac disease and then we got pregnant, 8 and a half years after deciding to start a family, almost 5 years after our 3rd miscarriage.  Aug 31 we lost the baby and I picked up eat right for your baby right after that. (we are both type Os so the book was not as helpful there as I might have hoped)

I am currently transitioning to GTD, normally I would jump in iwth both feet, but my cupboards are currently full of organic O compliant food that aren't gatherer foods.  So I'm trying to use them up!

I'm believing really, really hard that this is going to finally make a difference.

every year that goes by it just gets so much harder.

I actually find the gather fertility stuff kind of odd.  On the one hand it says we are likely to have estrogen issues and reproductive cancers (huge estrogen issues here and major reproductive cancer risks).  these things go hand in hand with ferlity issues and yet it says we should be fertile.
duh.

anyhow I started a new yoga class on sunday, a class for infertility.
If nothing else I think it will be very nice.

Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, January 23, 2008, 1:56pm; Reply: 16
Have you tried acupuncture?
Posted by: 1493 (Guest), Friday, January 25, 2008, 6:22pm; Reply: 17
I haven't seen my accupuncturist in quite awhile
when I first started seeing him I went 3 times a week, then 2 then 1 then every 2 weeks etc etc etc
haven't been in long enought aht I was surprised to see he's at a new practice now, goignt o make an appointment for next week
if nothing else it's SOO relaxing
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