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Posted by: TypeOSecretor, Monday, January 7, 2008, 3:10am
I will drive myself crazy if I don't ask this question, even if I don't get an answer.  I will not be joining the genotype web site now, nor will I be taking a free week currently.

p. 183 of the Genotype book discusses the benefits of not combining starches and proteins.  I realize this is not always possible.

However, given an ideal scenario, how many minutes in between feedings should one allow?  Example if I eat a fruit, how many minutes/hours should I allow before eating another food?  If I eat vegetables, how many minutes/hours should I allow before eating another food?  If I eat dairy, such as cottage cheese, how many minutes/hours should I allow before eating another food?  If I eat meat, how many minutes/hours should I allow before eating another food?

I was ready to cry tonight because it is 7PM and I haven't had enough time to even come close to eating everything I should eat today, and the book recommends cutting off eating at 7PM.  There are not enough hours in the day to plan, cook, eat.  If anyone knows, it will help me to schedule.  
Posted by: HigherGround247, Monday, January 7, 2008, 3:43am; Reply: 1
these are just rough guesses but... wait 30 minutes after fruit. 2-3 hours after meat and bread. that's what i've always done, and it's worked for me but everyone's different. dairy, not sure, i don't eat dairy, but i'd say 30 minutes.
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Monday, January 7, 2008, 5:22am; Reply: 2
Hey 'TOS':
How about ammending the 7 PM rule to no HEAVY food after that time. I'm sure the time varies.  My aunt stays up all night, so it may be 4AM for her.
Maybe on the days I have to get up at 2 AM, it should be 3 PM, but that isn't always possible.  Some of us with various blood sugar problems may need to eat a small amount later. Just look at this as a general rule.
Enjoy the BTD/GTD
Cheers,
Mrs "T"     O+
Posted by: Brighid45, Monday, January 7, 2008, 1:07pm; Reply: 3
I think the 7 pm deadline is a general rule. You might want to do some experimenting and see what works for you. You might be able to eat a bit later into the evening, or need to stop earlier than that time.

As for when to eat fruits etc--I usually save starches and sugars for snacks--in other words, having trail mix or some bread and almond butter or all-fruit jam, dried apricots etc.--and keeping meals to protein and veggies. That's worked out well so far.
Posted by: TJ, Monday, January 7, 2008, 1:19pm; Reply: 4
The 7 pm rule doesn't work for me either.  If I don't eat after 7 pm, I wake up hungry in the wee hours of the morning, and can't go back to sleep until I eat something!
Posted by: lakes-lady68, Monday, January 7, 2008, 2:20pm; Reply: 5
Hi I found this link if it helps.   But my lamb or beef steak needs fat for frying IMO

http://www.internethealthlibrary.com/DietandLifestyle/Food_combining.htm
Posted by: lakes-lady68, Monday, January 7, 2008, 2:23pm; Reply: 6
If I had a brain I'd be dangerous, I meant to paste this link too lol.    Working from home today and trying to multitask  :)

http://www.internethealthlibrary.com/DietandLifestyle/food-combining-detailed-chart-b.htm

Hope it helps
Posted by: lblackbu, Monday, January 7, 2008, 9:41pm; Reply: 7
Interesting comment on carbs and protein - what's the difference in Somercise - Suzanne Sommers of not combinine starch and protein... I wonder...

I have had the book since Dec 27 and will start reading it... I got it for my boyfriend... he is having a fit over the name.  He says that GenoTypes can not be Hunter, Gatherers, Teachers.. etc.

Don't worry.. he promises to read it even if he has already made up his mind...
Posted by: HigherGround247, Monday, January 7, 2008, 11:23pm; Reply: 8
lakes-lady..thank you, that site helps a lot. i book marked it for sure1
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 12:32am; Reply: 9
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He says that GenoTypes can not be Hunter, Gatherers, Teachers.. etc.

Dr D explains how he came about to name these, 'genotypes' in the book..... ;)
Posted by: TypeOSecretor, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 4:03am; Reply: 10
Thanks everyone for the replies, especially the links.  

A lot more was going on last night than that.  I went into absolute meltdown.  I went to bed after my post - had to get quiet but was having quite bizarre reactions.  The night before I thought I was sleeping better.  I had to start praying to figure out what to do.

I can't totally explain how I was guided, but I had to get up and get a glass of water and have about 1/16 tsp or less of Real Salt.  After I did that I quieted down a lot and was able to relax - had to get up and do the same about 4 or 5 hours later.  I quieted down again.  Not every time I have a glass of water - but several times, I lick the tip of my finger and dip it into some Real salt I have placed on a dish - so I only get a few grains of salt at a time.

I remembered about a class put on by a former chiropractor about incorporating salt when drinking water (this over simplifies things) - I remembered him describing the electrical processes carried out in the body by salt.  He recommended Real Salt.

I remembered a few years ago when I started on Eating Right.  I was into it a few months, and for various reasons (a lady was trying to convince me meats were not good for me) unrelated to Eating Right, I started drinking grapefruit juice for a few days.  I was walking home from work, tripped and fell.  I thought I broke my toe, so I went to the doctor.  Being quite astute, he became more curious as to why I fell and wanted to do some tests on my electrolytes - as well as electrocardiogram.  My toe wasn't broken, but I walked out of there convinced I needed to eat my proteins.  I also couldn't work for awhile.

Anyhow, the Real salt and the test for electrolytes connected in my mind.

Also, I have had 4 or 5 grand mal seizures in my lifetime - diagnosed idopathic - no reason could be found.  Well, last night I remembered one of them.  I was going to go on a diet and had eaten cottage cheese that day.  (I didn't eat cottage cheese yesterday).  Some of my seizures I had a stuttering aura - but with that one I just went out.  With one of my seizures,I ended up being hospitalized.  The doctor couldn't find anything, but the blood tests indicated borderline hypoglycemia, and he recommended eating small, frequent meals.


None of this will make sense to you - but it all interconnected last night and I figured that either I was having a reaction from toxins in my body or I was having a hypoglycemic reaction from the change in the diet (I was assuming I was a gatherer and started eating that way).  

No one could have told me what to do, and any advice would have been confusing, but this morning, I was up at 5:30 AM drinking a cup of Yerba Mate tea.  And at 6AM, I cooked an egg - I was going to make sure protein was the first thing in -not cereal.  I ate small, frequent meals today, trying to incorporate a variety of proteins, grains, and a little fruit.  I remember when I used to be on anti-seizure medication, one of my doctors asking me at every visit - have you been feeling light-headed and dizzy?  Well, that was me all day today - so I'm staying quiet.

I could go for blood tests - I will be going in a few months anyhow - and I can tell you the results will be OK, except for cholesterol.

I could go look for a sauna, but it would drive me crazy to try to do that and non-affordable right now- so I'll depend on mother nature to help me through whatever phase I have to go through.  

I had to resign myself today, that all I had the ability to do was to try to eat small frequent meals - I feel quite weak.  I went outside for little bits at a time to start pruning my roses in between rain showers.  My garden is crying for help now too.

I have lived through far worse than this before many times. I just wanted to explain why I went bonkers with my post last night.
Posted by: MyraBee, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 5:38am; Reply: 11
Hi, Type-O Secretor--

Just wanted to stop in and give you a (((Hug)))!  I have difficulty with night eating, too--you can check out the main Hunter thread for my thoughts on the subject!  Anyway, be sweet to yourself--we're going to be just fine!   :K)
Posted by: yaeli, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 4:38pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from TypeOSecretor
However, given an ideal scenario, how many minutes in between feedings should one allow?  Example if I eat a fruit, how many minutes/hours should I allow before eating another food?  If I eat vegetables, how many minutes/hours should I allow before eating another food?  If I eat dairy, such as cottage cheese, how many minutes/hours should I allow before eating another food?  If I eat meat, how many minutes/hours should I allow before eating another food?

What usually happens after you eat a full balanced, beneficial meal? How soon do you become hungry again?

About fruit before meal, I think you allow 20-30 minutes after having a fresh fruit, depends on which fruit.

There's vast literature on food combinations.

I keep these two:

Food Combining for Health by Doris Grant and Jean Joice
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Food-Combining-Health-John-Mills/dp/0722525060

Food Combining Made Easy by Herbert Shelton
http://www.amazon.com/Food-Combining-Made-Herbert-Shelton/dp/0960694803
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 4:52pm; Reply: 13
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I was ready to cry tonight because it is 7PM and I haven't had enough time to even come close to eating everything I should eat today, and the book recommends cutting off eating at 7PM.  There are not enough hours in the day to plan, cook, eat.  If anyone knows, it will help me to schedule.


You should never take anything this seriously, I have to say.  I mean, the GTD is to be taken seriously, but the whole point is to make you happier and healthier, not to stress you out and make you cry.   :o

My prescription?  Take two measured teaspoons of apathy, and call me in the morning.  Care just less enough so that you're not making yourself sick.  The word "apathy", after all, breaks down into "a-pathy", meaning "absence of sickness".  So, in measured doses, caring somewhat less in certain situations is actually the path to wellness.

Realize that you're in a good place with all of this GTD/BTD business and that the validity of it is always there for you, no matter what... the validity and potency of it will not vanish altogether if you blur the boundaries of punctuality a bit.  I find that life works and thrives precisely because it is hard-wired with a measured degree of randomness and imperfection, thus allowing room for growth.  

The Japanese have a concept called "wabi-sabi" that you may or may not be familiar with.  In recent months, I find myself recovering from a mindset of neurotic (and often psychotic) perfectionism, as mandated by the American culture frenzy, and the idea of wabi-sabi has helped me a lot:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi-sabi
Posted by: TJ, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 6:37pm; Reply: 14
TOS,

Have you been under a lot of stress lately?  Sometimes, if you have, a little thing like needing to make a dietary change can be the last straw for your nerves.  Also, have you been craving salt?

I suggest you do a little reading on adrenal fatigue.  I am in self-treatment for this condition currently, and I can identify with some of what you are going through, though not the seizures.  In adrenal fatigue, it's typical for you to have little to no stress tolerance, salt cravings (which you should indulge!), and fatigue.  I am reading Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome by James L. Wilson (thanks to other BTDers who recommended it to me), and it has been an informative work thus far.
Posted by: TypeOSecretor, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 7:46am; Reply: 15
Quoted from yaeli

What usually happens after you eat a full balanced, beneficial meal? How soon do you become hungry again?

About fruit before meal, I think you allow 20-30 minutes after having a fresh fruit, depends on which fruit.

There's vast literature on food combinations.

I keep these two:

Food Combining for Health by Doris Grant and Jean Joice
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Food-Combining-Health-John-Mills/dp/0722525060

Food Combining Made Easy by Herbert Shelton
http://www.amazon.com/Food-Combining-Made-Herbert-Shelton/dp/0960694803



Thanks - I found the two books on our USA site - got one used, very good for 75 cents plus shipping; the other was new $4.99 and shipping.  

I think for now, I may have to eat things separately.  I'm using the excellent site suggested by lakes-lady68 until I get my books.  

When I was on regular Eating Right, I did not have the problems I am having now on Genotype - I'm assuming this will be temporary.  Since I ate my main meal at noon, I think about 5PM and later I would get the crazies for nibbles, but it was easy to nibble on blood type.

Until my books arrive, do you happen to know what foods are OK to combine with onions and mushrooms (raw and cooked)?

I am experiencing lots of light-headedness, mucous almost immediately when I eat anything,headaches, and often gastric distress and foods lumping up on me, even though I'm eating everything superbeneficial.  I think eating my foods separately and combining will help.

Thanks for your help.


Posted by: TypeOSecretor, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 7:54am; Reply: 16
Quoted from TJ
TOS,

Have you been under a lot of stress lately?  Sometimes, if you have, a little thing like needing to make a dietary change can be the last straw for your nerves.  Also, have you been craving salt?

I suggest you do a little reading on adrenal fatigue.  I am in self-treatment for this condition currently, and I can identify with some of what you are going through, though not the seizures.  In adrenal fatigue, it's typical for you to have little to no stress tolerance, salt cravings (which you should indulge!), and fatigue.  I am reading Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome by James L. Wilson (thanks to other BTDers who recommended it to me), and it has been an informative work thus far.


I haven't been craving salt, but I do often get thirsty for water.  The few grains of salt with water really calmed me down - I just thought it would help the electrical conductivity in my body.  It put me to sleep. I have a reverse osmosis water system in my home, and I seem to recall the doctor mentioning this depletes the natural minerals in the water.  Whatever....it worked - I wouldn't recommend it to everyone, but it seemed to be right for me at the time.

I may check into the adrenal fatigue book you mention.

Thank you.

Posted by: TypeOSecretor, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 8:05am; Reply: 17
Quoted from 521



My prescription?  Take two measured teaspoons of apathy, and call me in the morning.  


The Japanese have a concept called "wabi-sabi" that you may or may not be familiar with.  In recent months, I find myself recovering from a mindset of neurotic (and often psychotic) perfectionism, as mandated by the American culture frenzy, and the idea of wabi-sabi has helped me a lot:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi-sabi


As prescribed....better than any pill...worked wonders...put a smile on my face.

I have never heard of "wabi-sabi."  I went all over the map with that.  Will have to process it on another day when my mind isn't stuck.

Thanks.  I always enjoy..for fun and for free.  

Posted by: Mrs T O+, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 12:43pm; Reply: 18
You can combine other veggies w/ onions & mushrooms;
You can combine starches w/ same; or
You can combine proteins w/ them.
Do not mix different types of protein like beans & flesh.
You may mix fish, poultry, & red meat all together as they are flesh. You may make 15 bean soup also.
Some of us are very sensitive to mixes; some are not.
I'm sure that BTD in the long term will help moderate this.
Cheers,
Mrs "T"
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Thursday, January 10, 2008, 1:40pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from Mrs T O+
You can combine other veggies w/ onions & mushrooms;
You can combine starches w/ same; or
You can combine proteins w/ them.
Do not mix different types of protein like beans & flesh.
You may mix fish, poultry, & red meat all together as they are flesh. You may make 15 bean soup also.
Some of us are very sensitive to mixes; some are not.
I'm sure that BTD in the long term will help moderate this.
Cheers,
Mrs "T"


Boy... am I glad to hear this!  Cause I really don't want to stop adding Basmati rice to my beef stew!!! I've never had any sensitivity to adding fruit with protein or starch with protein or all three together.  99% of my recpies would disappear if I had to do that.  

I think the bottom line is to know your  GT and follow how your body responds.  

But what about beef chili?  I love that and I use black beens and hamburger meat with vegies???
Posted by: kate4975, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 5:50pm; Reply: 20
TOS, you say that you think you are a Gatherer. What is causing you to have doubts? I have read posts from several people who measured themselves incorrectly and followed the wrong diet for a few days--had minor to major negative reactions so they measured themselves again and realized their errors. You may want to call a friend to help you with your measurements (and maybe help cheer you up a bit!).
Posted by: dirrty_blonde_mp, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 7:40pm; Reply: 21
so i had heard from my aunt about this whole "not mixing" different food types before - in the morning i often have a substantial breakfast which usually includes at least 1 serving of fruit, an egg, navy beans with a little butter, and yogurt, sometimes even a piece of cheese or nuts :S i never realized how much i would mix -> but the thing is i have class all morning so i like to have a big breakfast, and i usually cut off eating at like 3:00 (ish) LOL because then im busy busy busy again... this makes me rele rele hungry in the morning.

today i tried to have so gouda cheese as i believe i am a nomad, and i wanted to substitute my regular mozzerela. that was the only thing i changed from my normal routine - and wow i had a stomach ache and couldnt go to the bathroom, rele rele weird because i havent had hardly any problems since starting BTD over 6 months ago...
is it all my food combining :S!?!?!?!?
i think i need to eat smaller meals less frequently, instead of my my huge mega breakfast/ dinner at 7am and 3pm...
what does everyone think? it hasnt rele caused me problems other than that??
Posted by: TJ, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 10:30pm; Reply: 22
Could be the kind of Gouda--check the ingredients!  Eating several smaller meals is the ideal over even few large ones.
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 11:10pm; Reply: 23
I realized early on that I was not going to stress about the GTD.  When I found myself fretting over finger length for 4 days, I did an attitude adjust on myself and decided to take a deep breath, relax, and take it slowly.  

I am not personally worrying about food combining or portions/frequencies yet.  It's important for me to just get used to the food classifications and note what changes from good to bad and bad to good.  I'm making changes in my diet little by little;  otherwise, I get stressed, which is bad for my health.  This is not Dr. D's intention, I'm sure.  :-)
Posted by: 260 (Guest), Thursday, January 10, 2008, 11:16pm; Reply: 24
Victoria..your post made me feel so much better and reminded me not to stress over the gtd..finding out yesterday I'm a gatherer and not a nomad stressed me out to the max and I was so upset and crying because so many of the foods are unfamiliar to me and I felt so overwhelmed..I had to remind myself that this is not meant to stress me out and its to improve my health
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