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Posted by: Devora, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 8:50am
I posted this on the GTD boards, but I thought I woud put it here too.  While it applies to my own case fo going from A to Teacher, I think it will help everyone face the real changes that the GTD asks of us!

When I first looked at the Teacher diet, I thought there weren't that many changes.  I was taking the black dotted toxins to be basically neutrals.  It appears though, that they are, however, not neutrals, but kind of occational cheating avoids for future use. This makes the diet a big change.

Instead of trying to hold on to my old eating patterns, I think I am going to just "let go" and "Superfood it" for a while!  It won't be easy!

Ok.  I am giving in to Don, and for the meantime, I will look at those lovely black dot avoids as AVOIDS!!!

It's hard to stomach!  There are many of my HB and Neutral favorites and that are now avoids or black dot avoids: SOY MILK!!!, cherries, apricots, techina, chicken, CELERY!!!, CUCUMBER!, Kohlrabi, lettuce!, apples, GRAPES!, peaches, pomegranites, raisins, strawberries, rye flour, 100% sprouted wheat!!!

These foods have been the backbone of my diet for 8 BTDing years!!! I often wake up in the morning and have for breakfast either a protein soy milk shake with frozen strawberries and peaches or else I have some yogurt with fruit sweetened apricot or cherry jam!  No longer to be! Frozen nectarines are not available!!! How will I make a shake? YOW!  I used to drink pomigranite juice ALL THE TIME! I often have salads for lunch with lots of lettuce (I realize that Romaine lettuce might be a neutral - it is a bit hard not to have those neutrals listed!!!)  celery, kohlrabi, cucumber and raisins (plus other still permitted things). Eeek! I love to make apple crumble with apples and peaches (topped with oats and spelt in a crumble mix which is still ok).  I can still have my crumble topping, but what fruit can I put in!!!  There are almost no good cookable fruits on the Superfoods list!!!  Even pears are a black dot avoid!!!

I must admit, I always fel that too much fruit was bad for me. I have terrible candida problems, and I always had to watch my fruit consumption (I don't eat sugar ever.) If I ate too much fruit, I would throw myself into a terrible state.  Perhaps now I can see why!  Let's look at that fruit list.  Of the commonly available fresh fruits for eating, there aren't many AT ALL!  We can have blueberries (not available in Israel), grapefruit, kiwi, nectarine (seasonal!), persimmon (these are readily available in the winter in Israel), pineapple, and rasberries (also not to be found in Israel).  This is a total of 7 fruits!!!  And of these 2 are not availble. I have 5 fruits to eat and some of them are seasonal!!!  Donna Gates will be happy when she sees this list!  In her candida book, she is very pro BTD but limits the fruit!  Quite similar to what she said to eat in terms of fruit!

This will mean a total revamping of my eating lifestyle! I am going to have to find a recipient for all the soy milk I have stored in my cabinet, not to mention the apricot jam!!! I have to calm down and return to the tablula rasa (blank slate). We're starting anew, guys.  And it's gonna be fun! I always thought it would be fun to make a major dietary change after 8 years of re-programming myself to think according to the A diet, and now Dr. D. has given all of us the opportunity.  I must remember to think: "this is fun!"

Just now I ate my first superfood breakfast: Tuna and tofu salad with dried cranberries and made with Almond based olive oil  mayo, mashed avocado with lemon, homemade coslaw made with the above mentioned Almondaise mayo and sweetened with pineapple juice concentrate, and decaf mint green tea.  I ate a lot, but I feel great! (I assume that us A's still need to eat like kings int he morning! - haven't received my book yet!)

I think I am going to make myself some new shopping lists by studiying the food list.  What is neutral???  Peas.  What else?????

More later!

Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 9:29am; Reply: 1
Hi Devora,
I can relate as I am organizing my same transition; spinach, beet greens, celery become avoids; why (probably oxalic acid ?) ????. I have not still the book, so I wait to implement really GTD, but I found lamb on the market in Italy and not mutton or goat, organic turkey is a rare goody expensive as organic beef ( best cuts price !).
I preferred the warrior diet to which my A sec BTD was similar, beside corn, but probably I am not a Warrior.
Fruit is for me a summer treat, only some kiwis, grapefruit and plums and a rare avoid tangerines in this period.
Are not our eggs too much 6/9 a week; I ate 3/4 eggs a week with A sec BTD.
Have a nice start with Teacher diet !

Maria Giovanna
Posted by: Dr. D, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 1:39pm; Reply: 2
Change your attitude, change your gene function!
Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 2:08pm; Reply: 3
Thank you Dr. D I had a yummy Teacher lunch today !
I need to tell that the GTD calculator did not accept my real torso length of 32,5 inches and entered only the minimum length of 35 inches. Can this be fixed for my torso measures, also if probably I cannot become a warrior on just this data !

Best regards and a wonderful New year
Maria Giovanna
Posted by: 294 (Guest), Sunday, January 6, 2008, 8:07pm; Reply: 4
Posted by Sue G.

I am questioning why watermelon and pineapple have been added as beneficial for gatherers since they have a high glycemic index? Also, I want to know WHY blueberries and brocolli are limited. Is there a quick rationale someone can give me?
Posted by: Lloyd, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 11:00pm; Reply: 5
It comes down to addressing genetic based needs, which is always a multiple part question. Some foods may serve a function so well that other negatives about the food have to be overlooked, other foods may have negatives so large that benefits have to be overlooked. In the case of black-dots, that would be temporary.
Posted by: Linda, Monday, January 7, 2008, 1:02am; Reply: 6
This may seem obvious, but what will determine if it's 3 or 6 months before we can have a sniff at the black dots?  Do followers of BTD have an advantage over rank GTD beginners?  It seems that most of my GTD black dots were staples on BTD.  
Posted by: Lloyd, Monday, January 7, 2008, 2:03am; Reply: 7
I suggest you determine that for yourself based on your health, weight and other issues. Dr D did not give explicit instructions so it looks like there's some Individuality.  ;)
Posted by: Devora, Monday, January 7, 2008, 7:15am; Reply: 8
OK, Dr. D.  I changed my attitude, but something is still a miss!!! I have for years been intolerant of honey, reacting to it like white sugar (even organic honey, etc.) But, I thought, honey is a superfood.  Perhaps I will give it a try in a small amount, and see how I do with it. I made some almond milk with honey and carob in it yesterday.  I started feeling bad about 10 minutes after having only a few sips. I was sure that I owuld do fine with it, but I started gettignthat woozy, unbalanced feeling that tells me I ate something too sweet (and it wasn't all that sweet).  I usually try to combat a sugar OD with a few salty olives, but now they too have to be avoided.  I had some tofu dip and crackers instead.  

Maybe it's not my genes, but some kind of individual imbalance in my system.

Posted by: 521 (Guest), Monday, January 7, 2008, 11:27am; Reply: 9
I personally am really loving the Hunter diet.  

Have I said yet how much I love lamb?

I vow to eat mysef stupid on some lamb.  Hoo, chile', yes I do.
Posted by: TJ, Monday, January 7, 2008, 1:12pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Devora
I have for years been intolerant of honey, reacting to it like white sugar (even organic honey, etc.) But, I thought, honey is a superfood.  Perhaps I will give it a try in a small amount, and see how I do with it. I made some almond milk with honey and carob in it yesterday.  I started feeling bad about 10 minutes after having only a few sips....

Maybe it's not my genes, but some kind of individual imbalance in my system.


Maybe some more time on the GTD will help.  Perhaps you should consider honey a black dot for the moment, and not have it until you've been on the diet 3-6 months?  I'm hoping for the same with eggs: they are a superfood for me, but I can only tolerate of small amount of egg at a time.  With luck, a few months on GTD will level out whatever imbalances are causing our sensitivities, and we can then indulge in eggs/honey!
Posted by: Devora, Monday, January 7, 2008, 1:45pm; Reply: 11
Thanks for that tip drive 55!  I have driven through Richmond.  My Teacher's craving for nature makes me dream of living in Virginia!  I love mountains, Appalatchain style!

I have been feeling kind of bad with my new diet.  However, I remember my first month on the BTD: I felt awful!  But after that I felt great and didn't even get a single cold for an entire year (before that I got sick all the time.)

Just had lunch: fish (Israeli fish aren't on the list - so I assume they are OK), green beans, a can of refried pintos (YUCK - from now on I'll make them from dried pintos) with Quince juice  and dried cranberries.  


I ren out to the grocery store.  Picked kup:persimmons, kiwi, quince juice (would you believe!) blueberry jam, lots of beans, pumpkin, grapefruit, and some tuna.

I am trying to get used to this!!!
Posted by: Gumby, Monday, January 7, 2008, 2:44pm; Reply: 12
Devora, I think of honey as more of an ingredient than a food.  So if I am making something that calls for a bit of sweetness, I use honey now.  It is just not something I enjoy on its own...too sweet for me.  But nice to have a superfood sweetener when I need it as an ingredient in something else!  ;D

Now maple syrup on the other hand...*sigh*...but gotta leave that alone for a while now. :D
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 7, 2008, 4:39pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Devora
I posted this on the GTD boards, but I thought I woud put it here too.  While it applies to my own case fo going from A to Teacher, I think it will help everyone face the real changes that the GTD asks of us!

When I first looked at the Teacher diet, I thought there weren't that many changes.  I was taking the black dotted toxins to be basically neutrals.  It appears though, that they are, however, not neutrals, but kind of occational cheating avoids for future use. This makes the diet a big change.

Instead of trying to hold on to my old eating patterns, I think I am going to just "let go" and "Superfood it" for a while!  It won't be easy!

Ok.  I am giving in to Don, and for the meantime, I will look at those lovely black dot avoids as AVOIDS!!!

Hi, fellow BTD vet, Devvie baby!

The toxins to avoid (artists previously known as "avoids") are the foods you will want to try to avoid on an ongoing, consistent basis.  The black-dot toxins to avoid, however, are ones that you will ideally want to avoid for 3 to 6 months, during the initial "detox" period (which for you will only be about 3 months, because you are a healthy individual at a healthy weight with even the added benefit of having been on the right diet for your blood type for years), but then you can look at them as occasional neutrals.  Foods that you can enjoy and that will add variety and spice to your diet, but not foods you want to focus on (which are your superfoods) or even eat freely (which are all the neutral foods that are not listed either as superfoods or toxins).

In other words, as a healthy person at her ideal weight, jumpstart your genotype diet by eating only superfoods and neutrals.  But then, 3 months down the road, if you want a black-dot "toxin to avoid", go for it.  Not often, but once in a while.  I know that personally, I shall be black-dotting myself some SUNFLOWER SEEDS (oh, happy day!), but not even in 3 to 6 months, only once I finally get to my ideal weight.  Which I have a renewed serious hope of doing with my new G2 diet, as it seems so "twist-specific"!

Quoted from Devora
It's hard to stomach!  There are many of my HB and Neutral favorites and that are now avoids or black dot avoids: SOY MILK!!!, cherries, apricots, techina, chicken, CELERY!!!, CUCUMBER!, Kohlrabi, lettuce!, apples, GRAPES!, peaches, pomegranites, raisins, strawberries, rye flour, 100% sprouted wheat!!!

These foods have been the backbone of my diet for 8 BTDing years!!! I often wake up in the morning and have for breakfast either a protein soy milk shake with frozen strawberries and peaches or else I have some yogurt with fruit sweetened apricot or cherry jam!  No longer to be! Frozen nectarines are not available!!! How will I make a shake? YOW!  I used to drink pomigranite juice ALL THE TIME! I often have salads for lunch with lots of lettuce (I realize that Romaine lettuce might be a neutral - it is a bit hard not to have those neutrals listed!!!)  celery, kohlrabi, cucumber and raisins (plus other still permitted things). Eeek! I love to make apple crumble with apples and peaches (topped with oats and spelt in a crumble mix which is still ok).  I can still have my crumble topping, but what fruit can I put in!!!  There are almost no good cookable fruits on the Superfoods list!!!  Even pears are a black dot avoid!!!

I must admit, I always fel that too much fruit was bad for me. I have terrible candida problems, and I always had to watch my fruit consumption (I don't eat sugar ever.) If I ate too much fruit, I would throw myself into a terrible state.  Perhaps now I can see why!

Exactly/bidiyuk!  Now we can see why!  "I can see clearly now the rain is gone!  I can see all obstacles in my way!  I think I can make it now the pain is gone!  Gonna be a bright, bright, bright sunshiney day!"

Giiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirl, what I am marveling about in these first few halcyon days of my G2 diet is the seeming paradox that it is at once far more flexible, relaxed and lenient than my O non diet (hello, only the strictest of all the BTDs), yet somehow, as I went on a major G2 shopping spree this weekend, it seems uncannily designed EXACTLY for me.  It is more relaxed, yet more specific at the same time!  How did Dr. D. do that?  I don't know, but I am opting to revel in it versus questioning it *lol*!

Give it a shot.  It is a big change in some ways.  But, as all the presidential candidates keep mantra-ing out at us:  change is good.  I am the candidate of change!   ;D  ...Oh, wait, you are in Israel, you aren't being bombarded with that lot.  Well, count yourself lucky in that regard and just jump joyously into the GTD, trust Dr. D. because has he ever let us down, and if something really doesn't feel right, then you can always choose for yourself and not do that particular thing, ya know?  But give it a chance, so far I'm finding it is AWESOME!  Like, at the store, the whole time I wanted to shout out loud as I put items like cottage cheese into my cart:  I knew it, I missed you, come to momma!

;D

And all weekend I was eating superfoods virtually exclusively, and it came so easily, it wasn't even like I had to consciously work at focusing on superfoods (of course, it helped that I had stocked up my kitchen with basically nothing but, yet again, THAT part was easy and natural, too).

This feels so reminiscent, so much like, when I first discovered ER4YT.  There are just so many moments that feel like, yes, yes, YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS:  this is RIGHT.

I think my new mantra de jour is:

The BTD was right for me.  The GTD is even righter.   ;D
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Monday, January 7, 2008, 4:47pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Dr. D
Change your attitude, change your gene function!


I was just going to tell Devora she has to move... :D LOL!
Posted by: Cheryl_O_Blogger, Monday, January 7, 2008, 4:55pm; Reply: 15
I'm doing Weight Watcher's again, which means I'm journaling what I eat.  I'll use the same approach as when I started BTD.  Look at a typical week.  What Superfoods am I lacking and What Toxic foods am I eating too much of?  I'll target those and let things balance out.  I don't plan to throw away foods that don't fit my gatherer plan.  I'll just use them up and not buy more or save them if not perishable and on the black dot list.
Posted by: BuzyBee, Monday, January 7, 2008, 5:19pm; Reply: 16
I haven't had a chance to read the book yet with the holidays being so busy. You guys are scaring me a little. I'm always open to change but I'm not sure I am ready. Hopefully it want be a drastic change but just lots of small changes. Tweaks maybe.

I haven't been doing BTD as long as some of you but after a couple of years your mind is set a certain way. Now we have to bring out the cheat sheet again. It's like going back to school which is a good thing.
Posted by: cindyt, Monday, January 7, 2008, 5:23pm; Reply: 17
I've been thinking that the temporary Avoids might be to give us a period to reset some of our genes, which could lead to good things happening after that.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I see it that way, rather than as doing a detox.  This makes it quite exciting and cutting edge as an application of epigenetics.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Monday, January 7, 2008, 8:48pm; Reply: 18
My diet isn't much different. Still no meat.  I can live without chicken. I get sick of it anyway. As long as I can have my PB, I'm good.  :)
Posted by: SquarePeg, Monday, January 7, 2008, 10:34pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from Maria Giovanna
I need to tell that the GTD calculator did not accept my real torso length of 32,5 inches and entered only the minimum length of 35 inches. Can this be fixed for my torso measures, also if probably I cannot become a warrior on just this data !

Best regards and a wonderful New year
Maria Giovanna
Try using a dot as the decimal separator instead of comma: 32.5 .  It's the US convention.

Posted by: SquarePeg, Monday, January 7, 2008, 10:44pm; Reply: 20
Oh, and I'm waiting for an errata to be published before making major dietary changes.  ;)
Posted by: ErinDarri, Monday, January 7, 2008, 11:37pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from Maria Giovanna

I need to tell that the GTD calculator did not accept my real torso length of 32,5 inches and entered only the minimum length of 35 inches. Can this be fixed for my torso measures, also if probably I cannot become a warrior on just this data !


I think that you have to give the total height of you sitting in the chair, and then give the height of the chair, and it will calculate how long your torso is.  
Posted by: mikeo, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 12:30am; Reply: 22
I'm in love with millet grits with ghee and a bit of agave syrup...my new morning comfort food and all superbene
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 2:23am; Reply: 23
Soft cooked millet grits and ghee are great with a couple of eggs over easy on the top.  Reminds me of southern grits (corn) which I have not eaten in forever.
Posted by: Devora, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 8:14am; Reply: 24
Mayflowers!  
What do you mean, I have to move???

Edna!

Thanks for the great response!  I am willowing in the sea of uncertainty, trying to part with my beloved habits!  I don't want to eat another persimmon, but rather: an apple!  (Gasp!) I think I will like being on the black dot diet.  But, if I don't SF it for a while, I will be on a black dot diet and not a SF diet.  

Today I made index cards for the servings of each group.  Each time I eat something I will take a card.  I am going to try to see if I can eat just according to what the cards allow me.  It's a big challenge in the fruit and veg area.  There aren't so many raw veggies that are superfoods that I can snack on!!!

I feel like my system is definitely going wacko!  I hope this is just a detox type transition to a new state of health.


Nice to see you Cheryl O Blogger! Perhps my newly designed card system would work for you in place of WW.

Another stress for me: I can't eat Turkey because it is the custon of our Hasidic sect not to eat turkey.  This leaves me with no animal products (except eggs!)  Boooooo!
Posted by: yaeli, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 10:22am; Reply: 25
Quoted from Devora
Of the commonly available fresh fruits for eating, there aren't many AT ALL!  We can have blueberries (not available in Israel)... and rasberries (also not to be found in Israel).

For someone who loves fruits this really borders nothing at all.

Fresh blueberries and raspberries are certainly available in Israel in season, but their price hits the roof. A small plastic box of 100 g (I hope not less than that...) costs the equivalent of US$ 4 - 6.5.

(I've just received my first shipment of ARA6, which I must take daily after 60 years of having been abusing my intestines. For 100 g I paid US$67- incl. shipping and fees. It really arrived swiftly, 8 days altogether (Dec 26 - Jan 3)  I'm on cloud 9!  :D)

Posted by: Devora, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 12:24pm; Reply: 26
Oh Yael!  Where do you find these fresh blueberries?  

I just bought soem frozen blackcurrants and quince juice!  I put them together in the blender and the result was clensing and refreshing!

Had pumpkin onion dried cranberries and tofu for lunch with peanut sauce (tamari, garlic, lemon, water).

Wild dietary changes!!!
Posted by: yaeli, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 1:30pm; Reply: 27
In poche vegetable 'boutiques', like Yom Tov in Gaza St. and the like.
Posted by: Olerica, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 6:26pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from Victoria
Soft cooked millet grits and ghee are great with a couple of eggs over easy on the top.  Reminds me of southern grits (corn) which I have not eaten in forever.


Ooooh!  Do you think that this would work instead of all grits/polenta?  Mmmmm... roasted veggies over millet grits!!!

I'm having an easier time with the changes than I was.  I had no idea how many options there are out there now!

Thanks for the cheese, Dr. D!!
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 6:40pm; Reply: 29
Devora, I was kidding. You can't find the GTD foods there where you are.  :)
Sorry if you didn't get my joke. I was trying to lighten things up.
Posted by: Olerica, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 7:07pm; Reply: 30
I'm sure that this is a question that has been asked before somewhere, but here goes.  

I'm a 'new' Teacher and now Mutton is on my Super-de-Duper list.  (Yea, I think).  I've been cooking lamb for years for DH as he is a B/Nomad, and all of that time I NEVER see mutton, just lamb.

Can anyone tell me what the difference is?
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 7:15pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from Devora
Edna!

Thanks for the great response!

For you?  Anytime!  You need to post more, that's your prob right there, girlie.  Post and ye shall find!  ...Responses, that is!   ;D
Quoted from Devora
Today I made index cards for the servings of each group.  Each time I eat something I will take a card.

:D  ::) You, my friend, are such a Type A!!!   ;D

Index cards!

Quoted from Devora
I am willowing in the sea of uncertainty, trying to part with my beloved habits!

Giiirl, I thought of the most fabulous analogy/metaphor last night, and I was going to post this fantabulous thread about it, but today I find myself fried emotionally and physically from a morning at the veterinarian, plus fighting some sort of bug off, so instead of attempting a fantabulous post, I will just insert my incoherent thoughts here, buried in this post, and hope they help someone:

I was thinking last night, upon reflecting on the posts about transitioning from BTD to GTD, and how some people are basically freaking out, about how much I HATED and resisted changing from my beloved WordPerfect for DOS to MS Word for Windows.  Why?  Because in WordPerfect 5.0 for DOS (long may it wave in my heart!), I could figure out anything and everything, I could understand the logic of EVERYTHING, by simply using a feature called "reveal codes".  You could see every single code in the document and you could figure out the WHY of EVERYTHING if you were really gooooooooooooooooood (and, day-uuuum, I was gooooooooooooooood).  With Word for Windows, by contrast, there is no reveal codes.  You are flying blind half the time.  I used to blame this on Bill Gates (my view is that I can blame anything in the world on either Reagan, Bill Gates, or shrub), but then I started to grudgingly realize that the newer versions, the Windows versions, of Word and even WordPerfect, are FAR more complex, programming-wise, than my dear old WordPerfect for DOS.  Even WordPerfect, which still has reveal codes, or did with the last version I ever used, which was a Windows version, does not show you ALL your codes anymore, as it did in the DOS versions.  It is simply too complex, too many things going on, programming-wise, for the end user to possibly be "shown" it all.

Now, the BTD is a lot like WordPerfect for DOS (follow me here):  It was based on basically one classic thing, the lectin and blood type reaction.  Peanuts = positive agglutination for blood type A.  Wheat = harmful agglutination for blood type O.  I understand.  I understand it ALL.

But the GTD is based on far more than just blood type.  There are so many other variables that go into your complete genotype profile.  Look at a constellation of stars, like the Big Dipper.  If it represented your genotype within the GTD, you could look at blood type as one particularly bright, large star in the constellation.  But there are so many other stars making up the Big Dipper, not just one bright one!  Too many for the specific logic of how each one interacts with the recommended foods alone or in combination with the other stars to be presented to the "end users", ya know?

With WordPerfect for DOS, I could pop open the hood and figure out EXACTLY what was going on with the car.  With Word, I have to trust that the program knows what it is doing in many situations.  And since I'm not a Word or Windows fan, that ain't happnin'.  I still basically pine for WordPerfect *lol*!  Although I must grudgingly admit that what I can do with the newer versions of Word for Windows these days far eclipse anything that even I, advanced WordPerfect Goddess though I was, could accomplish with WordPerfect for DOS.  Similarly, the GTD, while not as clear-cut and understandable for the "end user", probably runs circles around the BTD.  And I think the reason I'm having a far easier time transitioning from the BTD to the GTD than I did from WordPerfect to Word, is that unlike how I feel about Bill Gates (or felt--he has gone and turned into quite a philanthropist, making it impossible to totally loathe him, dang it!), I totally trust Dr. D.  Think about it:  has he EVER led us astray, diet-wise?  So, I'm going with the flow, even though I don't have "reveal codes" for each and every bit of logic in the new diet.

Come on in, the water is fine!

Posted by: Cheryl_O_Blogger, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 7:22pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from Devora
Mayflowers!  

Today I made index cards for the servings of each group.  Each time I eat something I will take a card.  I am going to try to see if I can eat just according to what the cards allow me.  It's a big challenge in the fruit and veg area.  There aren't so many raw veggies that are superfoods that I can snack on!!!

Nice to see you Cheryl O Blogger! Perhps my newly designed card system would work for you in place of WW.



That would probably work.  Weight Watchers at one time had bracelets with beads that you moved around to indicate that you had eaten a point.

It is a challenge to get in all those fruits and veggies.  I'll probably have half a grapefruit (they're huge) and a cup of pineapple chunks on most days, then one other fruit of some kind.  I'll probably make a soup most weeks with great northern beans, canned tomatoes, beef stock and various veggies.  I bought spinach, green beans and green peas this week and just use the portions I need.  Throw in a big salad here and there and I should be done.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 8:00pm; Reply: 33
Dang, you peeps are getting me into soup mode, BIG TIME!

Too bad I am now officially in whatever one moves to when the po' house kicks one out, due to veterinarian visits, or I would rush out tonight and buy a fabulous soup pot or stock pot or whatever they are called.

I had this HUGE aluminum one at one point, but I don't want to cook in aluminum, especially soups.  Us Gatherers are prone enough to Alzheimer's as it is, apparently.  I think maybe that is why my soups never turned out.*  I would cook and cook and cook (simmer and simmer and simmer...Brig hates when people say "cook" instead of the specific type of cooking they are doing, but what stresses me out about that is, usually I have no idea what the name of the specific type of cooking I'm doing is *lol*) for hours and....still tastes like hot water, not a delicious broth or stock.

I need to get a reasonably sized, non-aluminum soup pot.  Because y'all keep talking about SOUP!  Exactly how cold is it right now north of Florida?!
;D

* edited to add:  not because I'm prone to Alzheimer's but because my stock pot was too huge!
;D
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 9:56pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from Olerica


Ooooh!  Do you think that this would work instead of all grits/polenta?  Mmmmm... roasted veggies over millet grits!!!


Corn grits/polenta are somewhat sticky, which does not happen in the same way with millet.  But in many recipes, you should be able to cross over to millet.  Try using more or less water in cooking, depending on whether you want it soft or grainy.

Also, try rinsing the grains and very lightly toasting in a dry skillet until the grains make little popping sounds and jump around.  Don't let them burn.  It improves the taste in my opinion.
Posted by: Mercedes, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 10:53pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from Peppermint Twist

... I could figure out anything and everything, I could understand the logic of EVERYTHING, by simply using a feature called "reveal codes". ... It is simply too complex, too many things going on, programming-wise, for the end user to possibly be "shown" it all.

Now, the BTD is a lot like WordPerfect for DOS (follow me here):  It was based on basically one classic thing, the lectin and blood type reaction.  Peanuts = positive agglutination for blood type A.  Wheat = harmful agglutination for blood type O.  I understand.  I understand it ALL.

But the GTD is based on far more than just blood type.  There are so many other ... Too many for the specific logic of how each one interacts with the recommended foods alone or in combination with the other stars to be presented to the "end users", ya know?

...
Similarly, the GTD, while not as clear-cut and understandable for the "end user", probably runs circles around the BTD.  And I think the reason I'm having a far easier time transitioning from the BTD to the GTD [is because] I totally trust Dr. D.  Think about it:  has he EVER led us astray, diet-wise?  So, I'm going with the flow, even though I don't have "reveal codes" for each and every bit of logic in the new diet.

Come on in, the water is fine!



See, this is what I'm still really really REALLY struggling with...

Arguably, Dr D had led me astray because about 70% of the food I used to eat, based on his recommendations, are now some kind of toxin to me.

I want those reveal codes for GTD!!!!!! I admit, I haven't been to the site yet (on my way as soon as I post this!). I want a GTD typebase that says WHY a food is bad for me. I want to be able to make the choice that I'm not worried about "precipitating serum flocculation" when having dairy.

Moreover, I struggle that THE SOLE determiner of my gt is th lenght of my fingers. (For my blood type, the ONLY measurement that matters is finger length). I don't fit any O gt better than the other. I feel at home and peace with every O characterization from ER/LR4YT, but cannot come to grips with any gt. Isa and her feeling explomad is nothing compared to my expluntherer dilemna. (No offense to Isa- I just with I only had to struggle with feeling like I'm torn between 2, instead of 3 gts).

I'll admit, BTD didn't make me my dream size, however, I got derailed by something I couldn't control, and didn't let me do BTD for about 4 months, and that seems to be where everything went wrong. Moreover, I usually ate too many grains and too much sugar (being a great baker with spelt is not such a good thing for a waistline...), and never really gave up dairy. It fixed every other possible "problem" I had that I could be aware of. So a part of me wonders if I need to make such a dramatic change from my BTD to the GTD, or simply really do the BTD properly.

I'm personally going to try to do GTD as best as I can for a month. And then I'll evaluate how well this is going. Who knows, I may become the biggest fan/advocate of GTD, I might say I feel like an O not a gatherer and go back to BTD guidelines, or I might mix the two for my own individualised, but perhaps bastardized diet for optimal health.

I've noticed a lot of O non's loving the gatherer diet because it's less restrictive. I find GTD the opposite based upon my food preferences. And I've seen many who read the gatherer profile and are having "Eureka!!!" moments. I read all O possibilities and just start worrying that if I furrough my brow any longer I'm gonna get wrinkles...
Posted by: Cheryl_O_Blogger, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 11:08pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from 294
Posted by Sue G.

I am questioning why watermelon and pineapple have been added as beneficial for gatherers since they have a high glycemic index? Also, I want to know WHY blueberries and brocolli are limited. Is there a quick rationale someone can give me?


Watermelon along with grapefruit and tomatoes are high in lycopene.  Many melons have a mold issue.  He may be trying to give us the best available melon choice.  Pineapple has enzymes that are very beneficial.  Blueberries have me stumped.  Brocolli and most of the cruciferous vegetables probably have too much of a compound that is inhibitory to the thyroid.  Cauliflower is probably the worst.  We do get brocolli and other crucifers back when weight and other issues are under control.  Those are just speculations I have, but I think Dr.D tries to give each group a representative of each type of food, selecting the best for each type and balancing lots of pluses and minuses for each.
Posted by: Cheryl_O_Blogger, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 11:13pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from Linda
This may seem obvious, but what will determine if it's 3 or 6 months before we can have a sniff at the black dots?  Do followers of BTD have an advantage over rank GTD beginners?  It seems that most of my GTD black dots were staples on BTD.  


I've wondered about that too.  I think I'd look at my recent diet and see how far it is from the GTD recommendations.  Some people may have intuitively been eating very close to the recommendations and need less time to balance even thought they are newer to BTD/GTD.  Then you would consider weight and health issues.  If things seem to be stabilizing, try some black dot items, but listen to your body and take them out if symptoms and pounds return.

I think variety is really important, so I won't be afraid at all to begin using black dot foods down the line, I just will probably never emphasize them.
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 3:44am; Reply: 38
Quoted from SquarePeg
Try using a dot as the decimal separator instead of comma: 32.5 .  It's the US convention.

The problem that MG was having is that the Sitting Height in the Basics section only provides measurements down to 35.000 inches. MG needed to input a smaller number.

The workaround I gave her was to up both her Sitting Height and Chair Height numbers by 2.3", that way she could input the numbers and the difference remains the same.

The problem was reported to WFM.


Posted by: teri, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 5:08am; Reply: 39
Quoted from Cheryl_O_Blogger
Watermelon along with grapefruit and tomatoes are high in lycopene.  Many melons have a mold issue.  He may be trying to give us the best available melon choice.  Pineapple has enzymes that are very beneficial.  Blueberries have me stumped.  Brocolli and most of the cruciferous vegetables probably have too much of a compound that is inhibitory to the thyroid.  Cauliflower is probably the worst.  We do get brocolli and other crucifers back when weight and other issues are under control.  Those are just speculations I have, but I think Dr.D tries to give each group a representative of each type of food, selecting the best for each type and balancing lots of pluses and minuses for each.


I think you're right on with this, all the diets appear to be very well balanced nutritionally. So the foods have changed, so you find what you need in another food. It all works. I checked nutritiondata.com for their analysis of blueberries, they are not rated very high for weight loss. There are about 139 fruit choices ahead of blueberries that work better for weight loss. So this may be the reasoning behind making it a black dot.
Posted by: Curious, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 5:20am; Reply: 40
Quoted from teri

I checked nutritiondata.com for their analysis of blueberries, they are not rated very high for weight loss. There are about 139 fruit choices ahead of blueberries that work better for weight loss. So this may be the reasoning behind making it a black dot.

If you are right with this assumption, teri, it would mean that the GTD is purely a weightloss diet. For someone like me who is not interested in loosing weight, but in improving her health, the GTD and the food choices would then be inappropriate.

Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 5:45am; Reply: 41
curious...If I were you I would ask myself how is my health, how is my weight, and then just go ahead and eat the black dot foods if those are both optimal already. (don't tell Dr. D I said that) ;)
seriously, I have a real strong trust in the gatherer diet....but then I need to lose weight. I see that as a health issue, not a fashion issue. I cannot be ultimately healthy while carrying too much fat and storing toxins. And I need all my thyroid function for this.
Posted by: teri, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 6:08am; Reply: 42
Quoted from Curious

If you are right with this assumption, teri, it would mean that the GTD is purely a weightloss diet. For someone like me who is not interested in loosing weight, but in improving her health, the GTD and the food choices would then be inappropriate.



I am like you, not in it for weight loss, but to optimize health and to remain disease free for the rest of my life! I don't think of the GTD as a weight loss diet even if I think I'm right about my assumption(s). Blueberries are only a black dot food for the initial detox period, then they become neutral. So I assume then that a lot of toxins must be stored in fat tissues, so the goal may be to reduce fat tissues during the detox period. If you are someone with little or no fat this might not be an issue for you. Again, just speculating. I am hoping that one day Dr. D will reveal the detailed mechanics of the relationships between specific foods and each genotype. Maybe a GTD Encyclopedia is next! In the meantime, I've ordered a book called 'Nutritional Genomics: Impact on Health & Disease", which is one of the recommended readings at the end of the GTD book.
Posted by: Devora, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 7:30am; Reply: 43
Good metaphor, Oceangirl, but I must say that what I am uncertain about is not trusting Dr. D.  I DO trust Dr. D (reveal codes or not) and that is why I am doing this!  I think I didn't mean what I said.  I think that I am only feel ing uncertain that my body is responding to these changes positively, from the feeling sense of things, but just as I wallowed through the first month of the BTD not feeling too good at all, so too will I trudge through these waters to where Dr. D. is bringing me!!

In the meantime: big SF breakfast: A full package of shredded cabbage (made into coslaw with my olive oil almondaise) plus a can of black beans (I have got to prepare these fresh!  Canned food is rotten!) and now I ate a few carob/spelt cookies and some peppermint tea.  

After checking my cards last night (and I think you ought to say that I am such a TEACHER now and not an A!!! - Get out of that old fashioned typing P.Twisti!!!) and I discovered that I am not eating enough grains!!!  4 servings a day of grains!!!  I eat about 3 servings a week (plus Shabbas, when I eat, in my opinion, far too much spelt bread (1 roll Friday night and 3 on Saturday) and then I have to go into grain recovery.  Well, now I have to reprogram myself to eat 4 servings a day - whoh Nellie!  True, i ate tofu and veggies yesterday, and it didn't oocur to me to prepare some rice to go with it.  I just got used to being very grain-free.  I am also eating way too much yogurt and fruit.  EVEN with the VERY limited fruits on the Teacher SF list, I can easily eat 7 servings a day (including juices and jams and dried fruits).

One Yummy SF I can reccomend for Teachers: quiche with half spelt and half oat crust, made with SF cheese and sauteed kale and onion and zucchini.  Add eggs and some SF spices and put in the blender and then in the crust.  I could live on this quiche!!!

Cheryl,

Yes, I like those cards!  At the end of the day, I can see where I am off.  Yesterday, I had a stack of grain cards left, and I ODed on the fruit and yogurt.  I think that I just need to consult my cards before I eat, and I can always look at the cards in order to decide what I can still eat that day!!! It is hard for me to pass up fruit for a GRAIN!!!
Posted by: yaeli, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 8:10am; Reply: 44
Quoted from Peppermint Twist


Now, the BTD is a lot like WordPerfect for DOS
....
It was based on basically one classic thing, the lectin and blood type reaction.  Peanuts = positive agglutination for blood type A.  Wheat = harmful agglutination for blood type O.  I understand.  I understand it ALL.
What (in the world) is "positive agglutination"???  :o
Can somebody help me here?
Thank you.

Posted by: 758 (Guest), Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 10:12am; Reply: 45
Positive agglutination means agglutinating "sick" cells like cancer cells.

Betul
Posted by: Curious, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 10:40am; Reply: 46
Quoted from teri
I am hoping that one day Dr. D will reveal the detailed mechanics of the relationships between specific foods and each genotype. Maybe a GTD Encyclopedia is next! In the meantime, I've ordered a book called 'Nutritional Genomics: Impact on Health & Disease", which is one of the recommended readings at the end of the GTD book.

Teri, yes an explanation of the relationship between specific foods and each genotype would help a lot. I feel confused at the moment and unsure what to do. I followed the 0-nonsecretor diet religiously and it turns out that a lot of the food I ate is now toxic. I am unsure whether it is only toxic if I want to loose weight (which I don't - I am very slim) or if it is toxic in general.
Yayneeo - my weight is perfect, but I try to get rid of my backpain.
I like to understand things and even though the Genotype book is a great read and makes intuitive sense, I would like to know more about how the research was conducted and why exactly some foods are black dot avoids (in particular the ones that were previously beneficials). This would enable me to make a more informed decision of whether I should give the Genotype diet a go or whether I should look somewhere else.
The book Nutritional Genomics sounds great. I checked and it is available in Australia. I'll try to get it.

Posted by: Gumby, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 2:32pm; Reply: 47
Quoted from Devora

I discovered that I am not eating enough grains!!!  4 servings a day of grains!!!  I eat about 3 servings a week (plus Shabbas, when I eat, in my opinion, far too much spelt bread (1 roll Friday night and 3 on Saturday) and then I have to go into grain recovery.  Well, now I have to reprogram myself to eat 4 servings a day - whoh Nellie!  


Devora, if you are used to not eating grains, why not start at the lower end of the recommended frequency for carbs?  The range is 2 - 5 servings daily.  Starting with 2 per day would be way less pressure! :)  And since the servings are so small, that should not be too hard.  

Thanks for the quiche idea...it sounds so good!  Will try it for sure. ;D
Posted by: judy_clau, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 4:16pm; Reply: 48
I'm with you, Curious.  I was saying the same thing to my walking buddy this am.  I would love to know why and where he, (Dr.D,) got some of the info in the Genotype book. I'm looking forward to reading his "Suggested Reading List," if I can find them. My library doesn't have them all.) I find it all fascinating and very interesting.  

I want to measure everyone I run into..(just kidding.)
I'd also want to thank Dr. D for his wonderful mind, and work, and books, not to mention his gift for computer technology.  Where would we all be without it?  Judy O0oš so grateful for Dr. D!
Posted by: Lloyd, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 4:53pm; Reply: 49
I would encourage anyone interested in knowing more about the mechanics of the diet to see what is available at genotypediet.com, where Dr D is answering questions and providing explanations. There will be more information there as time goes on and already there is some that I have found useful.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 6:22pm; Reply: 50
Oh, goodness.  I had THE single best post of my or anyone else's lifetime done this morning, in response to mercedes, and because our dang internet connection keeps going off today, it was lost to posterity.  I pressed "post" and got "the page cannot be displayed", and after that it is all a blurr but the bottom line is:  post GONE.  I am not even going to attempt to recreate that particular masterpiece.  I wonder if this is how Michael Angelo felt if he worked on a sculpture for ten years and then tripped and dropped it on the way to where he wanted to display it!

;D

I will just move on to Devora.
Quoted from Devora
I trudge through these waters to where Dr. D. is bringing me!!

Okay, I have identified your prob:  trudging is not an effective way of traversing through water!  One must dive headfirst underwater and do not emerge again until you are at the other end of the pool and have dazzled everyone with how long you can hold your breath!  Seriously, you don't need to trudge.  What about skipping, sashaying, skateboarding?* The trick is to ENJOY the ride, baby!  No trudging!  Trudging is for those on the "cabbage diet" or the "no fat, just pasta" diet.  You are on the GTD, Dr. D.'s magnum opus!  Commence skipping!

*Just, please, do me a solid and don't skateboard past my house!  I've just about got my sanity back from the departed skateboard gang, don't blow it for me!

Quoted from Devora Devora bo bora, banana fana fo fora!
In the meantime: big SF breakfast: A full package of shredded cabbage (made into coslaw with my olive oil almondaise) plus a can of black beans (I have got to prepare these fresh!  Canned food is rotten!) and now I ate a few carob/spelt cookies and some peppermint tea.
  
There you go!  I detect some joy going on already!
Quoted from Devoraroo
After checking my cards last night (and I think you ought to say that I am such a TEACHER now and not an A!!! - Get out of that old fashioned typing P.Twisti!!!)

Actually, that index card thing was a pretty dang GREAT idea!  Yet I just had to tease you about it!  I kid the A's!  Yet I love them.  And, face it, you are still an A, missy!  Just as I am still a mischevious little tease-prone O!  ...Gotta love me?
Quoted from Devora
...and I discovered that I am not eating enough grains!!!

Huh.  Never had that problem, myself!  I can't relate!
Quoted from Devora
Yes, I like those cards!  At the end of the day, I can see where I am off.

Okay, already, I admit it:  the cards are a stroke of brilliance!  Too Type A for me, like measuring, weighing, counting points, baking, following a recipe, coloring within the lines, but a stroke of brilliance nonetheless!  I applaud all those who have the discipline to implement the Devora Method!

(woot) (clap) (dance)  :K)
Posted by: SquarePeg, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 10:13pm; Reply: 51
Quoted from Olerica
I'm sure that this is a question that has been asked before somewhere, but here goes.  

I'm a 'new' Teacher and now Mutton is on my Super-de-Duper list.  (Yea, I think).  I've been cooking lamb for years for DH as he is a B/Nomad, and all of that time I NEVER see mutton, just lamb.

Can anyone tell me what the difference is?
I didn't see this answered yet, and I think I know the answer.  Mutton is from a grown up lamb or a sheep.  Mutton is to Lamb as Beef is to Veal.  I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

Posted by: Curious, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 1:02am; Reply: 52
Quoted from Lloyd
I would encourage anyone interested in knowing more about the mechanics of the diet to see what is available at genotypediet.com, where Dr D is answering questions and providing explanations. There will be more information there as time goes on and already there is some that I have found useful.

That is a good suggestion Lloyd, but I think this is the type of information that should be available for free on the genotype site.
I am a researcher myself (although in a different field) and talking about how the research was done is a standard in any published material such as articles etc. It would have been ideal if the methodology information had been in Dr. D.'s book, but it would also be fine if it was on the part of the genotype site which you can access without having to pay for it.
Posted by: Lloyd, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 2:01am; Reply: 53
Quoted from Curious

That is a good suggestion Lloyd, but I think this is the type of information that should be available for free on the genotype site.
I am a researcher myself (although in a different field) and talking about how the research was done is a standard in any published material such as articles etc. It would have been ideal if the methodology information had been in Dr. D.'s book, but it would also be fine if it was on the part of the genotype site which you can access without having to pay for it.


You are clearly entitled to an opinion!  :)

If you have not done so, reading this thread may give you some insight into the reasons that it is the way it is:

$5.00/week a bit expensive for me

Posted by: Devora, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 7:04am; Reply: 54
Oceanworshipper,

Sorry to hear about the loss of your mammoth superpost.  May he rest in peace.  Thanks again for your lovely tap-dance response.

I don't know how long I will hold out with the cards, but they are good to check myself.

I think all this pressure on eating is making me over eat (too big of portions).  Normally, my weight goes down from Shabbat from 134-5 to 133.  I am now back at 135.  I think it is that I am forcing myself, non-hungy , to eat grains.  Eating when not hungry is always a mistake!

Today, again , I superbreakfasted it.  Salad with tuna, cranberries (dried), almonds, sprouts, plus yogurt and jam...too much food!  I'd better watch it.
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 7:11am; Reply: 55
Devora, I tried to make the cards....it was hilarious because I have never been in WW and do not know how they are used, tried to make it up.  It seems like a good idea....I'll let ya know if it works out. 8)
Posted by: Mercedes, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 7:43am; Reply: 56
Quoted from Devora


I think all this pressure on eating is making me over eat (too big of portions).  Normally, my weight goes down from Shabbat from 134-5 to 133.  I am now back at 135.  I think it is that I am forcing myself, non-hungy , to eat grains.  Eating when not hungry is always a mistake


See and this dramatic change in what I can eat has made me lose 5lbs, because I have no desire to eat what I'm supposed to and am undereating. (The undereating is a common problem that I'm pretty sure is partially responsible for my weight... I have to be the only person who loses weight when I go on vacation...)

Posted by: Devora, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 1:44pm; Reply: 57
Went out and got some puffed Quinoa flavored with olive oil and Zatar (middle Eastern spice).  Had that for lunch along with sprouted mung beans and dried pineapple.  I also bought some OAT milk to replace the soy milk.  Tastes rather nice.  Sweet.

I bought some Quinces.  They are big and hard.  I wonder if they are ripe.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 1:47pm; Reply: 58
Quoted from Devora
I think all this pressure on eating is making me over eat (too big of portions).  Normally, my weight goes down from Shabbat from 134-5 to 133.  I am now back at 135.  I think it is that I am forcing myself, non-hungy , to eat grains.

Why are you forcing yourself to eat grains when you aren't hungry?

Posted by: ruthie, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 2:06pm; Reply: 59
The Warrior diet will be a snap for me.
Basically it eliminates red meat which I did not eat more than couple of times per year; and giving up poultry is no big deal either.
It is pretty much vegetarian with eggs, cheese, cottage cheese and fish being available.  Having more egs than was recommended before is a plus, cause I missed them.
And Chocolate is a diamond...oh boy!
Changing some of the fruits, grains and legumes is no big deal either.
namaste
ruthie
Posted by: SquarePeg, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 6:05pm; Reply: 60
Quoted from ruthie
And Chocolate is a diamond...oh boy!
namaste
ruthie
Hmm, I wonder if that means chocolate bars are beneficial, or just cocoa?  For example, carob is a benny for type O on the BTD.  But carob chips are nasty things with sweetener and palm kernel oil, and they made me sick.
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 11:16pm; Reply: 61
If we're considering eating any prepared food, such as a chocolate bar, we need to read the ingredient list.  Each ingredient is important.  Just because chocolate may be a superfood, the other ingredients may be toxins.  You could always go with unsweetened chocolate, melt it down and add a compliant sweetener.  Or try unsweetened cocoa in many different ways.
Posted by: Cheryl_O_Blogger, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 11:52pm; Reply: 62
Quoted from teri


I think you're right on with this, all the diets appear to be very well balanced nutritionally. So the foods have changed, so you find what you need in another food. It all works. I checked nutritiondata.com for their analysis of blueberries, they are not rated very high for weight loss. There are about 139 fruit choices ahead of blueberries that work better for weight loss. So this may be the reasoning behind making it a black dot.


One thing I notice in Typebase is that blueberries are pretty much 100% carbohydrate.  Raspberries have 6% protein, not a big difference, but possibly part of the reason blueberries are black dot.  Blueberries are also about 10 times higher in Vitamin K than raspberries.  I'm noticing that a lot of the black dot veggies are high in vitamin K.  I could understand why it might be better to keep the balance toward thinner blood for heavier out of balance gatherers, but then when back to normal, beef up the clotting factors.  I know Type O is prone to thinner blood, easy bruising, I'm not sure where that would fit in with other blood types that are also gatherers.

There are also plenty of other sources of antioxidants and fruit fiber in the gatherer diet.
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Friday, January 11, 2008, 2:38am; Reply: 63
Cheryl,
those are interesting observations you found.  I am thinking that also, the low glycemic of let's say
raspberries are the most important if one is trying to lose weight and bring the body back into
"glycemic balance".....very interesting.  I hope I can become more compliant as I go with the diet.
I tried on some  clothes today, I really need to lose weight in my upper body, at least 20 lbs. I think
then I might feel healthier.... :-/
Posted by: kipperkid, Friday, January 11, 2008, 11:39am; Reply: 64
Quoted from Peppermint Twist

I was thinking last night, upon reflecting on the posts about transitioning from BTD to GTD, and how some people are basically freaking out, about how much I HATED and resisted changing from my beloved WordPerfect for DOS to MS Word for Windows.  Why?  Because in WordPerfect 5.0 for DOS (long may it wave in my heart!), I could figure out anything and everything, I could understand the logic of EVERYTHING, by simply using a feature called "reveal codes".  You could see every single code in the document and you could figure out the WHY of EVERYTHING if you were really gooooooooooooooooood (and, day-uuuum, I was gooooooooooooooood).  With Word for Windows, by contrast, there is no reveal codes.  You are flying blind half the time.

With WordPerfect for DOS, I could pop open the hood and figure out EXACTLY what was going on with the car.  With Word, I have to trust that the program knows what it is doing in many situations.  And since I'm not a Word or Windows fan, that ain't happnin'.  I still basically pine for WordPerfect *lol*!


Aaaah! A girl after my own heart!  I still mourn the loss of Word Perfect 5.....  :(  So easy to work out what had gone wrong (if it did) with reveal codes, now it's impossible.

I'm with you all the way there!
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Friday, January 11, 2008, 3:15pm; Reply: 65
Quoted from Devora
I bought some Quinces.  They are big and hard.  I wonder if they are ripe.


You canīt eat quinces raw -they should be cooked.
Here is a list with different recipes
http://www.elise.com/recipes/archives/004155quince.php

Posted by: 312 (Guest), Friday, January 11, 2008, 3:45pm; Reply: 66
We had a french couple as guests a year or two ago.  They told me about "coing" or quince and how
it's usually made into a paste or confection in Southern France.  It is delicious.  I have found the paste at Whole Foods, near the specialty cheeses.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Friday, January 11, 2008, 5:14pm; Reply: 67
Quoted from 312
We had a french couple as guests a year or two ago.  They told me about "coing" or quince and how
it's usually made into a paste or confection in Southern France.  It is delicious.  I have found the paste at Whole Foods, near the specialty cheeses.


Yes you boil them quince until it resembles as dry reddish jello/paste - it taste very good with dry cheese or one its own - you can see it here: http://www.elise.com/recipes/archives/006144membrillo_quince_paste.php
Posted by: Lisalea, Friday, January 11, 2008, 5:58pm; Reply: 68
I was wondering about the black dot items since Dr. D says that we can eat them in moderation after 3-6 months ...

What's the consensus on how many times per week that would amount to, ESPECIALLY if u don't have a weight problem ... does it make a difference or NOT  ??)

Hoping everybody's eating for their Genotype and loving it  ;)
I'm trying  :)

Thanks folks  ;D ;) :)

Posted by: Olerica, Saturday, January 12, 2008, 5:45am; Reply: 69
Quoted from SquarePeg
I didn't see this answered yet, and I think I know the answer.  Mutton is from a grown up lamb or a sheep.  Mutton is to Lamb as Beef is to Veal.  I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.



Yep, I guess I knew that part.  What I was wondering is: Does anyone know what the difference is between the benefits of mutton over lamb with regards to status change from the Superfood of Mutton to the black dot avoid of lamb.  Anyone?
Posted by: Lloyd, Saturday, January 12, 2008, 6:42am; Reply: 70
Looks more clear to me after having considered the respective nutrient breakdowns. Nutritiondata.com works, or ask at genotypediet.com is another alternative.  ;)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 14, 2008, 5:10pm; Reply: 71
Quoted from kipperkid
Aaaah! A girl after my own heart!  I still mourn the loss of Word Perfect 5.....  :(  So easy to work out what had gone wrong (if it did) with reveal codes, now it's impossible.

I'm with you all the way there!

WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS FOREVER!  It was my true love.

Now I'm stuck in Microsoft pergatory.   :(

I always say that using Microsoft Word (or any of the Microsoft programs, except for the lovely Visio...which was created by someone else and then bought by Microsoft, which explains why it is an exception to the rule) is like operating on a patient while blindfolded.  It's like:  okay, let's try this.  Can't really tell what's wrong, so let's troubleshoot through 50 things to try to--aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!  Why is blood pouring out of the patient?  Looks like I hit a major artery.  I hate when that happens.

Oh, WP 5.1, WP 5.1.  Long may you continue revealing your codes in word processing heaven!

...Meanwhile, down here on earth, we are stuck with Microsoft.

::)   :(   >:(

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 14, 2008, 5:14pm; Reply: 72
P.S.  That said, I'm still the one they all come to when they can't figure out WHAT is going ON with their Word document.  Why?  Well, because I possess those two key Gatherer traits, necessary to triumphing over MS Word:

1.  "phenomenal capacity for prolonged and concentrated brain work"

and

2.  "algorithmic mindset:  natural born problem solver"

Seriously, I hear this at least once per day:

"Ednaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!  Come look at my document!  WHY is it doing this?!"

::) Step aside, people, return to your homes and let the Word doctor through...okay, let's see what we've got...

;D
Posted by: jayneeo, Monday, January 14, 2008, 6:21pm; Reply: 73
OMG I wish I had someone like you in my world ...I can't figure out the smallest stuff....
Posted by: teri, Monday, January 14, 2008, 6:35pm; Reply: 74
Quoted from Peppermint Twist
WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS FOREVER!


ditto that!, the best word processing program ever written, was unassuming and so "revealing". Plus, the macro's feature that allowed you to do anything! I too went kicking and screaming to Word, which assumed everything and allowed nothing.


Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 2:48pm; Reply: 75
Quoted from teri


ditto that!, the best word processing program ever written, was unassuming and so "revealing". Plus, the macro's feature that allowed you to do anything! I too went kicking and screaming to Word, which assumed everything and allowed nothing.

Sing it, sister!

I miss macros!  I don't even bother trying to do anything similar in Word.

I can't even talk about WP5.1 for DOS anymore  :'(.  In the immortal words of Linda Richman, "I'm a little verclempt!  Tawk amongst yourselves.  I'll give you a topic:  Microsoft is neither micro, nor soft:  DISCUSS!"

Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 3:42pm; Reply: 76
Quoted from Lisalea
I was wondering about the black dot items since Dr. D says that we can eat them in moderation after 3-6 months ...

What's the consensus on how many times per week that would amount to, ESPECIALLY if u don't have a weight problem ... does it make a difference or NOT  ??)

Hoping everybody's eating for their Genotype and loving it  ;)
I'm trying  :)

Thanks folks  ;D ;) :)



Yes I'm wondering about this myself....

Posted by: Drea, Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 3:54pm; Reply: 77
I don't have my book with me, but I'm going to approach the black dot foods (in 3-6 months) as 0-2 times per week. Just because I can (eat a food), doesn't mean I should.
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 8:16pm; Reply: 78
I feel like they are occasional neutrals, instead of staple foods.  But it's nice to know that we have a bit of flexibility for variety here and there.
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