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Posted by: OSuzanna, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 7:57pm
I have officially lost my mind over these goll-danged finger measurements. Because I'm pretty sure I'm a Gatherer now. ::) :B
I don't believe me anymore.
Actually, I suppose it's because I just couldn't wrap my mind around leaving behind so much of what "feels" beneficial to me, and having mild but noticeable symptoms I didn't like when I tried living on the Explorer diet. Granted, it's only been a few days, but ....
I went back and measured those fingies again, and came up with index fingers longer (in may case, equal or longer) on both, or different on both, both of which leaves me a Gatherer. Lotta "boths" in that sentence...
I'm gonna re-organize my foods for Gatherer, try to swallow my pride and beg a place at the Gatherer's camp. I feel like it should be easy for me to get this finger thing resolved, but it was surprisingly difficult.  Where did I read (paraphrasing) 'if the fingers come out +/- equal, default goes to index fingers.'
I wonder if there should be a thread for BTD'ers who just can't figure their genotypes out yet. On a gemstone website I visit, they have an area for people trying to identify gemstones, where they have a lot of information about particular stones, but still need experts' help identifying them. That's kind of how I feel, and perhaps others may feel that way, too.
I'm going to go ring the Gatherers' doorbell, now. :B
Posted by: Brighid45, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 8:11pm; Reply: 1
You will be more than welcome in our clan, Suzanna! *hug* :)

When I first did the measurements they drove me nuts too, particularly the finger lengths. My initial finding was for Hunter, which did not feel right at ALL for me. So I did the strength testing again and came out very strongly Gatherer, just as before. I asked my housemate to re-measure my fingers for me and the measurements indicated Gatherer--a very borderline Gatherer, but there all the same.

This process was crazymaking to a large extent, but fascinating too.  
Posted by: OSuzanna, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 8:39pm; Reply: 2
Thank you, I hate feeling stupid like this. Hug ya back, Brig.
Hey, the days are getting longer! What's not to love!!!??? ;D
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 9:38pm; Reply: 3
Ditto about the frustration. I'm waiting for the kit & the measuring ruler.  I was getting used to the idea of Hunter.
Who knows at this point? The hunter diet is easier to access & there will only be a few frequent things to cut out.
I'm sorry there are not enough beneficial fish, but I keep hearing the seas are polluted beyond repair. I kind of doubt that, but it may take a few years for things to settle down.
Meanwhile, here we are, anxiously awaiting the verdict!
  BTW, is there a blood test to confirm GT? I'm sure it would be expensive, but worth it to save one's health.
Sea Salt & Light (very compliant things!),
Mrs "T"     O+  [transgened again, but wanting to be a hunter
after wanting to be the others!  Confusion!!!]
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Saturday, January 5, 2008, 9:43pm; Reply: 4
Man your heading had me laughing out loud since I was up at midnight last night once again doing these measurements over and over and over!!! HAAAA!!!

:o ::) :B :-/ ??)

But I finally got it right...  ;D
Posted by: Brighid45, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 9:48pm; Reply: 5
Here's my advice, for what it's worth: if you're confused about your measurements or are being driven crazy by conflicting results, set everything aside for a day. Then come back to it, but bring a friend or mate with you to help you measure, if possible. If you can, watch the videos on how to do the measuring. Go slowly and carefully and keep your mind blank--no 'gee I hope I'm a Hunter/Gatherer/etc!' thoughts. Once you get the measurements done again, do the strength testing and answer the questions as honestly and accurately as you can. This should give you the answer.

This is the procedure I followed after my first bout of measuring gave me conflicting results. I waited 24 hours and tried again, and found I was indeed a Gatherer. Some of my traits are atypical for a Gatherer, but that's what I am.

Hope this is helpful to you. :)
Posted by: Don, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 10:07pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from Mrs T O+
BTW, is there a blood test to confirm GT? I'm sure it would be expensive, but worth it to save one's health.

Having your blood type, Rh, and secretor status makes determining you GT more accurate.

If you have that data I think in some cases a single measurement is all that is needed to determine your GT.

However, it can also go the other way, if you have some or all of the measurements you may find that your GT is determined without knowing your secretor status. In other words, you would be the same GT if you were either secretor or non-secretor.

In my case I only need 2 out of the 3 measurement data points to absolutely determine my GT.
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 10:47pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from OSuzanna
I have officially lost my mind over these goll-danged finger measurements.

I don't believe me anymore.

That's kind of how I feel, and perhaps others may feel that way, too.
I'm going to go ring the Gatherers' doorbell, now. :B


OSusanna, that's exactly how I feel.  The finger measurements are not believable to me.  I don't believe me, or my husband, either one!!   They just seem too close to call.  :o :o :-/

Posted by: 312 (Guest), Saturday, January 5, 2008, 11:11pm; Reply: 8
Hi all,
I was resisting the idea of gatherer, as I have very many white lines.  So I thought maybe hunter.
But actually I am a gatherer.  I did the measurements with the help of one of my sons and entered them into the book.  Then I entered them into the genotype site.  Definitely gatherer.  So I am finally
convinced.  Now with the addition of cottage cheeses, I was not convinced, but I think it will take a while to get the diet down to feeling good.  I get sleepy after some dairy, like cottage.  But again,
until I figure out the food, it's not a biggie.  Most of the other foods seem agreeable to me, like most of the fish and turkey.  I should be ok.  
As for the white lines, I am probably an undiagnosed celiac.  That I am convinced of also.  So the works of Dr. D have really helped me to find a decent diet/regime to follow.  Now to get consistent....(Making a lasagna with rice noodles, ricottta, wanted turkey sausage, but couldn't get it yesterday, longer story...but actually pretty compliant!)
Posted by: Brighid45, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 11:47pm; Reply: 9
Welcome Paula! :)

I have white lines too, so you're not alone. My strength testing was strongly Gatherer, the physical measurements were more borderline but still G2.

I'll definitely have to dig out that pasta-less veggie lasagna. You can make it with any unripened cheese and add in ground meat or sausage if you like. I've had non-BTDers try it and be agreeably surprised by how tasty it is. Let me go through my old cookbooks and see if I can find it.
Posted by: Melissa_J, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 11:58pm; Reply: 10
I've been there with the measurements too.  It kept coming up as gatherer, then I'd start analyzing it (I have white lines and lots of hunter characteristics, but strength tested pretty high on both).  Then I'd have to remeasure, and maybe, just maybe...  Finally I decided if it's too close to call, then they're equal.  The gatherer diet feels great to me, and tastes great, so I'm happy.  It's already resolved most of the digestive trouble I've been having the last few months.

I'd love that lasagna recipe, giving up most rice for a few months is going to get hard.
Posted by: Rex, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 12:33am; Reply: 11
I laughed so hard my side hurt over your experiences with this finger measuring issue.  I stayed up until 11:30 PM last night measuring & remeasuring my fingers.  I just couldn't go to sleep until I got it right.  Finally, I did get it right...I'm definitely a Hunter. Whew...the frustration is over & I can get on with my life.  
Posted by: Brighid45, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 12:41am; Reply: 12
Recipe is posted in the CR forum as a new thread titled (strangely enough ;) ) 'pasta-free veggie lasagna'. Enjoy!

I really struggled with the categories too. I have a lot of atypical characteristics for a Gatherer--my lower legs are longer than my upper, my fingerprints are symmetrical (I have whorls on ALL my fingers),I'm caffeine-sensitive, white lines on my fingerprints, etc. But when I did the strength testing I kept coming up strongly Gatherer--17 of 20 points, and none of the other categories came close to that. And the measurements, while very, very close to Hunter, are still listed as Gatherer in the jump table. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, as my grandpa would say! ;)

Gatherer feels right for me. Just in the two days since I started eating the food plan, I feel better--lighter, if that makes sense--always a sign for me that I'm on the right track.
Posted by: Kristin, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 12:51am; Reply: 13
I had fretted over the measurements too, but for me it was upper and lower leg length as it turns out they are almost equal, and a determining factor in my typing. I'm still not convinced which one is shorter and which is one is longer, but I think they are close enough to be called equal in length.

My thoughts on figuring out your genotype when it is a close call between two is to go with the one that makes you the happiest. Experiencing joy is a big part of health and wellness that I think is often forgotten. If it turns out to be the wrong genotype for you, trust that your body will give you signs to point you in the right direction.

And if it makes you happy, you're more likely to stick with it too.  ;)
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 1:13am; Reply: 14
I struggled with my finger length measurements for days, until I accepted that I am a Nomad.  Now, every time I measure my fingers, they are consistently Nomad-like.  :-)

Maybe I just figured out how to do it consistently every time.
Posted by: Lisalea, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 1:56am; Reply: 15
Quoted from Victoria
  Now, every time I measure my fingers, they are consistently Nomad-like.  :-)

Hi Victoria hope this message finds u well  ;) ;D
Can u describe consistently Nomad-like. ?? ;) :) :P ;D :K)
Thank-u  :K)

Posted by: OSuzanna, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 5:38am; Reply: 16
Quoted from Kristin
My thoughts on figuring out your genotype when it is a close call between two is to go with the one that makes you the happiest. Experiencing joy is a big part of health and wellness that I think is often forgotten. If it turns out to be the wrong genotype for you, trust that your body will give you signs to point you in the right direction.

And if it makes you happy, you're more likely to stick with it too.  ;)


Beautifully said. :)
Posted by: lakes-lady68, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 5:54am; Reply: 17
Quoted from Brighid45
Recipe is posted in the CR forum as a new thread titled (strangely enough ;) ) 'pasta-free veggie lasagna'. Enjoy!

I really struggled with the categories too. I have a lot of atypical characteristics for a Gatherer--my lower legs are longer than my upper, my fingerprints are symmetrical (I have whorls on ALL my fingers),I'm caffeine-sensitive, white lines on my fingerprints, etc. But when I did the strength testing I kept coming up strongly Gatherer--17 of 20 points, and none of the other categories came close to that. And the measurements, while very, very close to Hunter, are still listed as Gatherer in the jump table. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, as my grandpa would say! ;)

Gatherer feels right for me. Just in the two days since I started eating the food plan, I feel better--lighter, if that makes sense--always a sign for me that I'm on the right track.


Hi Brighid

I had the same issues over being a Gatherer, the symetrical fingerprint patterns, lower legs longer than the upper, I just didn't feel it fit me at all.  On the strength test I was 14 points for both Gatherer and Explorer, the advanced table says I'm a Gatherer whether I'm a nonnie or a secretor.  So I've embraced it and I already feel better even after a few days. Oh, and I've lost a few lbs already as my just washed jeans are loose!  ;D
It was scary finding out that I'd been eating so many 'toxins' which were either beneficials or neutrals before and emptying cupboards, fridge and freezer of anything really bad lol   ;D
I can't wait to try the lasagne recipe, thanks so much.
Posted by: Susana, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 10:31am; Reply: 18
OSuzanna, you are not alone. I measured myself endlessly and went to see another forum member that lives by me (took the rulers along). She is also measuring and remeasuring and we are having a blast with our constant measuring. ::)

I have decided I will stop it today. No more measuring. Have not done so for two days. I know I will turn out a hunter as that is what it always was but... just in case :-/

I have lots of white lines as well.

:K)
Posted by: RedLilac, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 6:43pm; Reply: 19
I drew an outline of my fingers on a sheet of paper and measured that.
Posted by: lakes-lady68, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 6:48pm; Reply: 20
good idea RedLilac  :)
Posted by: Kristin, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 6:52pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from OSuzanna


Beautifully said. :)


:K)

Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 7:33pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from Lisalea

Hi Victoria hope this message finds u well  ;) ;D
Can u describe consistently Nomad-like. ?? ;) :) :P ;D :K)
Thank-u  :K)



Hello LisaLea, Yes, I am very well today!  Well, maybe the consistency for Nomads is that we are not consistent!!   ;D

Anyway, the technique I use is to turn my hand more sideways, instead of palm down.  I straighten my fingers, and use a transparent ruler.  I don't press too hard on the web between the fingers, making sure that the pressure is consistent each time I do a measurement.  Also, I put the ruler in the center between each finger, and not closer to one finger or another.
Posted by: kate4975, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 7:43pm; Reply: 23
I've also been struggling. I think I'm a Nomad but I've read that "neck and neck" finger lengths should still go to the index. The Nomad profile really fits me. I completed everything on the on-line calculator except secretor status (hope to have my results any day now) and taster status. But if I change my finger lengths from the ring finger being 1 mm longer on each hand (as it is every time I measure and strength tests me only Nomad) to the fingers being equal, I flip to Gatherer (with no points on Nomad). Since my status truly does seem to hinge on this one measurement, I'm having a hard time. When I measure my fingers from the joint, the ring finger is 1/4" longer and it is visibly longer so I really feel I should just stick with Nomad but I'm hung up on the +/- references I've read :-/.
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, January 7, 2008, 3:05am; Reply: 24
I feel for you, Kate. It's hard to ignore all the traits that associate us with a particular type, when our measurements direct us toward a different one.  It will certainly become clearer to you in time.
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Monday, January 7, 2008, 3:10am; Reply: 25
What's this about 1-2 mm difference in finger lengths?
If my ring finger is 1 mm longer, doesn't that mean it's longer? Duh? What were they talking about on some other thread?
Or if the lengths are so close, does that cast doubt on what is the GT?
Thanks,
Mrs "T"    O+ [hoping for hunter, but it may be by a whisker!]
Posted by: HigherGround247, Monday, January 7, 2008, 3:46am; Reply: 26
Quoted from OSuzanna


Beautifully said. :)


i second that.  :)
Posted by: Lisalea, Monday, January 7, 2008, 4:09am; Reply: 27
Quoted from Victoria


Hello LisaLea, Yes, I am very well today!  Well, maybe the consistency for Nomads is that we are not consistent!!   ;D

Anyway, the technique I use is to turn my hand more sideways, instead of palm down.  I straighten my fingers, and use a transparent ruler.  I don't press too hard on the web between the fingers, making sure that the pressure is consistent each time I do a measurement.  Also, I put the ruler in the center between each finger, and not closer to one finger or another.


I truly beleive that I'm a Nomad Victoria !!!  :K) ;D :P ;) :) :K)
Thank-u again and u're a moderator now ??
Wow ... congratulations !! ... I just noticed actually  ;D ;) !!
Cheers

Posted by: Victoria, Monday, January 7, 2008, 5:22am; Reply: 28
Thanks LisaLea, :-) but I've been a moderator for almost 2 years.   ;)
Posted by: Novelia, Monday, January 7, 2008, 5:40am; Reply: 29
Quoted from Mrs T O+
What's this about 1-2 mm difference in finger lengths?
If my ring finger is 1 mm longer, doesn't that mean it's longer? Duh? What were they talking about on some other thread?
Or if the lengths are so close, does that cast doubt on what is the GT?
Thanks,
Mrs "T"    O+ [hoping for hunter, but it may be by a whisker!]


I don't have the answer but need it! I'm having the same problem. My fingers are so close in measurement (by 1 mm on one hand, 2 mm on the other hand) that sometimes they look like they're the exact same size. I've measured so many times!



Posted by: Lisalea, Monday, January 7, 2008, 5:43am; Reply: 30
Quoted from Victoria
Thanks LisaLea, :-) but I've been a moderator for almost 2 years.   ;)


:o :o :o :B :B :B
Posted by: kate4975, Monday, January 7, 2008, 6:19am; Reply: 31
There's a thread called finger lengths where Dr. D is quoted. I read his post as meaning that a person who's measurement is off +/- 2-3 mm on one finger will likely be off by the same amount on the other measurements so the comparison will still be accurate. But a moderator made it sound like a difference of 2-3 mm should be considered too small to count and the index should be considered longer.

Honestly, I expected to be a Gatherer, since I'm full-figured even though I'm not overweight (well, maybe 10 lbs but nothing major).

The part I'm struggling with, and can't seem to get an answer on, is should I really consider the index equal or longer even though I have no doubt it's shorter? I mean, how much longer does the ring finger have to be in order to be considered longer? When I put my measurements in exactly as taken (over and over again), I'm a Nomad, but if I'm supposed to adding or subtracting 2-3 mm for some reason, why doesn't the calculator do that for me or tell me to do it? Maybe I should just pretend I never read the posts about the "neck and neck" measurements and stick with what the calculator tells me with the measurements as they are. As you and others have said, my body will eventually tell me if it's not right. It's just frustrating that such a difficult to determine factor could be the very thing onto which a lifestyle choice you're making hinges.
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Monday, January 7, 2008, 12:31pm; Reply: 32
This may sound like an idiotic question but, when measuring the length of my ring finger, I find that it's a bit more padded on the tip than the index finger, which is much less padded on the end.  

Does the padding count?
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, January 7, 2008, 6:39pm; Reply: 33
If it's flesh, it counts.  Just don't count your fingernail.  :-)
Posted by: Lisalea, Monday, January 7, 2008, 9:34pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from kate4975
As you and others have said, my body will eventually tell me if it's not right. It's just frustrating that such a difficult to determine factor could be the very thing onto which a lifestyle choice you're making hinges.

Amen.
My feelings exact, a simple blood test would have been much easier  ;) :P :) :D

Posted by: Lisalea, Monday, January 7, 2008, 9:34pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from Victoria
If it's flesh, it counts.  Just don't count your fingernail.  :-)
:D :D :D

Posted by: mikeo, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 2:33am; Reply: 36
I was lucky the the differences are noticeable...ratio of .92 index to ring
Posted by: vandelam, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 2:45am; Reply: 37
Quoted from Victoria

I don't press too hard on the web between the fingers, making sure that the pressure is consistent each time I do a measurement.  Also, I put the ruler in the center between each finger, and not closer to one finger or another.


I also wondered how hard to press on the web. However, in the book, it specifically states to measure from the lowest crease, the line between finger and palm. No problems after that  :)

It made the difference between being a Hunter or an Explorer for me.

Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 4:05am; Reply: 38
I remeasured and remeasured too and just by a hair....a hair! I seem to be a gatherrer instead of hunter...but so close! what if I'm really a hunter? the only thing is no one in my family has had the hunter diseases, and there's lots of gatherer diseases represented.....
Posted by: purlgirl, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 4:14am; Reply: 39
Hi all!

My sis was having a hard time too - so we got a "6" Combination Square" . It's a 6" metal ruler with a sliding guage on it. Very simple to use and definately worth a trip to the Hardware Store. (dance)
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