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Posted by: Constantine, Monday, December 31, 2007, 8:44pm
I've always known about my having shoveled incisors, and I believe this is a Nomad trait, but how many of you out there have shoveling as well?  I've heard that this trait is rare in Caucasians (or at least Northern Europeans) and that Northern Euros tend to have the cusp of Carabelli.
Posted by: drgnwng1, Monday, December 31, 2007, 9:46pm; Reply: 1
All 4 of us in my house have shoveling.
Jean
Posted by: sluggerbean, Monday, December 31, 2007, 9:53pm; Reply: 2
I have shoveling.
Posted by: HarmonyKitty, Monday, December 31, 2007, 9:57pm; Reply: 3
OK, I hate sounding dumb, but what is "shoveling?"
Posted by: TJ, Monday, December 31, 2007, 9:57pm; Reply: 4
I have it too, but no cusp.
Posted by: OSuzanna, Monday, December 31, 2007, 9:59pm; Reply: 5
I thought everyone's teeth were shaped like that til I read the GTD book! Yup, I've got 'm. That Carabelli's cusp sounded so familiar, but dental work has rendered it a mystery for the ages... ::)

Oh, wow, look at all the different Types that it occurs in! :)
Posted by: OSuzanna, Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:01pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from HarmonyKitty
OK, I hate sounding dumb, but what is "shoveling?"


Where your top front incisors have a slight scooping-out on the inside.
Posted by: HarmonyKitty, Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:44pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from OSuzanna


Where your top front incisors have a slight scooping-out on the inside.


Thank you.  I definitely have a scoop!  In fact this is the area the hygienist tells me my green tea stains usually occur!
Posted by: Lloyd, Monday, December 31, 2007, 11:27pm; Reply: 8
All 8 front teeth (4 upper, 4 lower) deeply shoveled. Pass the meat.  ;D
Posted by: OSuzanna, Monday, December 31, 2007, 11:33pm; Reply: 9
;D
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Monday, December 31, 2007, 11:37pm; Reply: 10
I have shoveling on both of the upper incisors and the two lower. No cusps.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Monday, December 31, 2007, 11:48pm; Reply: 11
My mother (type 0) and I both have shoveling.
Posted by: Lloyd, Monday, December 31, 2007, 11:49pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from wikipedia

In humans
Humans normally have eight ( 8 ) incisors, two of each type. The types of incisors are:

maxillary central incisor
maxillary lateral incisor
mandibular central incisor
mandibular lateral incisor


The central incisors are what everyone is refering to, but there are 8 total.
Posted by: kate4975, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 12:19am; Reply: 13
Mine are shoveled and I think I have the cusp too. Either way, I'm a Nomad!
Posted by: 1534 (Guest), Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 12:37am; Reply: 14
I have shoveling and no cusps.
Posted by: Gumby, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 12:43am; Reply: 15
No shovels.  No cusps.  

how boring!!! :D
Posted by: OSuzanna, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 12:48am; Reply: 16
Hey, you're an A, not so much meat for you, anyway...
Posted by: medavida, Monday, January 14, 2008, 12:34am; Reply: 17
I also have 4 front shoveling teeth, don't know about the cusp of Carabelli yet, I would guess no though.
Posted by: Carol the Dabbler, Monday, January 14, 2008, 1:14am; Reply: 18
When I first read the term "shoveling," I assumed that I knew what it meant, until I looked at the illustration in the book.

I first thought that it meant teeth where the back surface was shaped like you'd hold your fingers if you had to use them to scrabble in the dirt (i.e., curved about a horizontal axis).  But the illustration looks like the curvature is the other way, as though you took that hand with the partly-curled fingers and held it as though you were about to bang your fist on the table (i.e., curved about a vertical axis).

If that second take is correct (and please let me know if it isn't!), then I have no shoveling and, in any case, no extra cusps.

I had an extra-easy time of it, by the way, getting a look at my teeth.  Years back, the dentist made full plaster models of my teeth, and Hubby's too, then when he had no further use for them, gave them to us.  So I just opened up the box and looked!  (Hubby doesn't have shoveling or extra cusps either.)
Posted by: eh, Monday, January 14, 2008, 5:15am; Reply: 19
yes..I am a beshovelled nomad, too.
Posted by: Drea, Monday, January 14, 2008, 2:48pm; Reply: 20
I have shoveling on my upper front teeth; and I don't do well with meat.
Posted by: Gale D., Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:40pm; Reply: 21
I have shoveling, and most all the other Melungeon traits. I'm a A, not sure if secretor, not sure yet of Genotype. From descriptions, I sound like a Teacher, but will do all the tests to be sure.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Friday, July 17, 2009, 11:17pm; Reply: 22
I have shovelings on all 8  :o  (and small teeth in general)
- I am a B nomad that do well on meat and dairy
no cusps
Posted by: Ribbit, Saturday, July 18, 2009, 12:52pm; Reply: 23
I have shoveling on all the front top ones, and cusps on the wrong teeth (the very back molars on top).
Posted by: Plucky, Saturday, July 18, 2009, 7:53pm; Reply: 24
I always assumed that shovel-shaped was how everyone's teeth were...that that was just the natural shape of them  :)
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Saturday, July 18, 2009, 7:57pm; Reply: 25
Explorer here with shoveled teeth. I do not have the carabelli cusp though, which is common in caucasians. Shoveling is common in the Native American Indians.
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, July 19, 2009, 7:10am; Reply: 26
(smarty)seems to proof that I might be a nomad :D...cusps were gone by dental workouts... :P :(.....I always was proud of my little teeth.... and when they were replaced by crowns....(huh)(huh)(huh)(eek)(goofy)(scared)they new teeth were nearly the double of my own.... :-/ :o :B
but that was  nearly 25 years ago......(shrug) and now I am lurking for some new modalities.....or model's ??).... :X :D :D ;D
Posted by: Chandon, Sunday, July 19, 2009, 2:20pm; Reply: 27
I am finding it's really hard to tell visually! When feeling with my finger I have thought, yes, there is some shoveling, and so when I thought I was an Explorer that made sense. Then I figured out I'm a Teacher, but I thought I would take another look in my mouth. I just used my husband's reading glasses and 2 mirrors, 1 that is a dental mirror, and sat in a sunny window, backlit from the sun. I get some staining on the back of my teeth that perhaps can help in figuring this out. I do see some shoveling, but I don't think it is as pronounced as what's in the book. But, I must say, it really does look like it's there! As for the cusp, I don't really  understand where this extra cusp is supposed to be from that picture. Are they saying it is in the center of the tooth surface or simply another outer cusp? I can't tell. It seems like a lot is going on with that tooth, so I might also have the cusp.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, July 19, 2009, 4:44pm; Reply: 28
cusps might have been removed through past dental work, we ll never know!! :)
Posted by: Chandon, Monday, July 20, 2009, 3:51am; Reply: 29
I saw a photo of shoveling on the web and my teeth don't look like that. I guess I should say I don't have shoveling. I really am not sure about the cusp issue. I used to grind my teeth. If I have the cusp, it is perhaps a somewhat worn away. Or maybe I just don't have it. I guess I could ask my hygienist about it. I saw a picture of a rather distinct cusp. If that is how it usually is, then I probably do not have it.
Posted by: Katsy, Monday, July 20, 2009, 5:55pm; Reply: 30
I've got a ridge at the bottom of my incisors, so I guess I've got shovel teeth. Plus I have the cusp. I always wondered what that was, before reading the GTD book...
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, July 20, 2009, 6:20pm; Reply: 31
I have shoveling on the backs of my 4 upper teeth...but no shoveling on the bottom.

Dental work wrecked my chances of seeing if I have Carabelli's cusps..but I seem
to remember feeling those little bumps with my tongue against my teeth many decades ago.

Posted by: Chloe, Monday, July 20, 2009, 6:24pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from Chandon
I am finding it's really hard to tell visually! When feeling with my finger I have thought, yes, there is some shoveling, and so when I thought I was an Explorer that made sense. Then I figured out I'm a Teacher, but I thought I would take another look in my mouth. I just used my husband's reading glasses and 2 mirrors, 1 that is a dental mirror, and sat in a sunny window, backlit from the sun. I get some staining on the back of my teeth that perhaps can help in figuring this out. I do see some shoveling, but I don't think it is as pronounced as what's in the book. But, I must say, it really does look like it's there! As for the cusp, I don't really  understand where this extra cusp is supposed to be from that picture. Are they saying it is in the center of the tooth surface or simply another outer cusp? I can't tell. It seems like a lot is going on with that tooth, so I might also have the cusp.


I thought the cusp was where you could run your tongue along the insides of
your molars and feel that a little bump was raised that your tongue could feel..

Or was it on the outside of the molar closer to the cheek?  I remember feeling
a bump but can' t remember if was on the inside of my tooth or the outside?
(inside meaning closer to the side of the tongue and outside meaning closer to
the cheek)

Posted by: Gale D., Monday, July 20, 2009, 6:44pm; Reply: 33
Can you have shoveling and be something besides a Nomad?
Posted by: nowishow, Monday, July 20, 2009, 8:40pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from Gale D.
Can you have shoveling and be something besides a Nomad?


Yes, but I don't know which ones.
I have shoveling and I'm an Explorer
Posted by: Ffantazsia, Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 5:47am; Reply: 35
Quoted from Carol the Dabbler

I first thought that it meant teeth where the back surface was shaped like you'd hold your fingers if you had to use them to scrabble in the dirt (i.e., curved about a horizontal axis).  But the illustration looks like the curvature is the other way, as though you took that hand with the partly-curled fingers and held it as though you were about to bang your fist on the table (i.e., curved about a vertical axis).


i'm sorry, but i find this even more confusing...

what are the back of teeth like for those who do NOT have the shoveling?

Posted by: shells, Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 7:11am; Reply: 36
Yeah, another Explorer with shoveling also.  An image:

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://img2.allposters.com/images/NGSPOD/124037-FB.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.allposters.co.uk/-sp/Close-View-of-Shovel-Shaped-Neanderthal-Incisors-Posters_i3997663_.htm&h=300&w=400&sz=31&tbnid=-os2vOFDPOQQkM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dincisor%2Bshoveling%2Bimage&hl=en&usg=__eaeDqBDpdjWOTIpHlWGYkOOVTjk=&ei=jWllStaBCIGsswO_-PXdDg&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=2&ct=image
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 2:18pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from shells


Neanderthal man drank a lot of tea! LOL
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