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Posted by: dawgmama, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 3:50pm
During our GTD measuring(which was fun, kind of like a science lab/CSI project) we discovered that my son(an O Hunter) and I(an A Teacher) both have a lot of white lines through our fingerprints. Both my son and I are quite compliant, although we did cheat a bit over Christmas, and we have both been on strong antibiotics recently. My daughter(an O Explorer),is somewhat compliant due to being in college, and pressed for time etc., hardly had any white lines.

My son's lines were horizontal, and mine were both vertical and horizontal, sort of tic-tac-toe like. I thought I might have a lot of lines because my hands are quite rough because I am outside a lot and in and out of water. I don't use a lot of lotion because it feels "icky". :B

According to the GTD book, white lines are a sign of a digestive problem or of gluten intolerance. Both of those could apply to us being that I am a nonnie and he is an O. Neither of us eat much wheat(except for recently in those Christmas cookies ;)) so I am guessing the antibiotics messed up our guts.

So... finally my question :), I am still on antibiotics(for my lousey abcessed tooth), so when should I eat my yogurt or take my probiotics? Before my antibiotics, after?
Posted by: Don, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 8:33pm; Reply: 1
Best to take the probiotics as far awar from the antibiotics as possible. In other words, take the probiotics in between the antibiotic times.

Continue with the probiotics for awhile after you finish the antibiotics.
Posted by: dawgmama, Monday, December 31, 2007, 4:20am; Reply: 2
Thanks so much Don! :)
Posted by: italybound, Monday, December 31, 2007, 4:25am; Reply: 3
Quoted from Don
... take the probiotics in between the antibiotic times..


As close to half way between if possible. If anti-b's are every 8 hours, take pro-b's at the 4 hour mark. I've read they should be taken for a long time after a round of anti-b's. Don't know what the truth on that is tho.  ;)
Posted by: dawgmama, Monday, December 31, 2007, 4:34am; Reply: 4
Thanks IB, I think I will take them for a long time, judging by all  the white lines in my fingerprints.

I know you are anxiously awaiting the GTD book, ;) you will enjoy it, it is worth the wait!
Posted by: Molly, Friday, January 4, 2008, 10:29pm; Reply: 5
I noticed a lot of white lines in my finger prints too but now I'm over 60 and the book says "...the number of white lines increases with age as gut integrity continues to deteriorate."  But then too I've had some of those white flour Christmas Cookies.   I had a friend who baked with Amaranth flour but she moved away this past year, I miss her.
Posted by: Melissa_J, Friday, January 4, 2008, 11:09pm; Reply: 6
Amaranth flour makes great cookies, I use that with sweet rice flour and get almost identical results to wheat flour in most cookie recipes.

I can't have the sweet rice flour as a gatherer, for a few months, I'll try GF/WF oat flour instead.  By Christmas, I should be able to start using the sweet rice flour again (if I don't prefer the oat).

The GTD should help your white lines, in any case.
Posted by: medavida, Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 11:52pm; Reply: 7
You may want to try some Myrrh essential (1 drop diluted in olive oil) and applie it to the gums around your absessed tooth, when you feel the myrrh workin, spit the saliva out, don't swallow.  Don't worry if you do swallow a small amount there is no risk.
Posted by: dawgmama, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 5:21am; Reply: 8
Thanks medavida, for the Myrrh advice. My tooth seems to have calmed down, for the moment ::), but I will get some to have on hand. I have lousey, nonnie teeth. ;)

I use a product called MiraCell on burns, and scars and as a moisturizer, it contains Myrrh, and I just love it.
Posted by: kate4975, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 8:39pm; Reply: 9
Speaking of probiotics, can anyone speak to whether they would be helpful for my husband's looooooonnng-lasting fungal/yeast infection over most of his torso and upper legs? He not so compliant on the diet and, while I work on him there, I want to find something that will help clear up that problem. Only thing a doctor has ever recommended is steroid cream which we are NOT going to do.
Posted by: Squirrel, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 1:05am; Reply: 10
Kate4975 - my hubbie has a loooooooooong-lasting athlete's foot infection despite nearly a year of being on the BTD but like yours, not too compliant. We're also facing the skin "specialists'" threat of sending in the heavy artillery. So I know where you folks are coming from, and I sympathise. Help anyone?
Posted by: Don, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 2:12am; Reply: 11
Clean up the diet!
Posted by: dawgmama, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 3:11am; Reply: 12
One of the "moms" on this site(I'm sorry, I don't remember her name), said coconut oil cleared up her son's raging athletes foot. It soaks in very nicely, and probably wouldn't do any harm, and may do a lot of good.
Posted by: kate4975, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 6:59pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Don
Clean up the diet!


Well, Don, if YOU can convince him, I would be eternally grateful! Unfortunately, I can't watch him 24 hours a day.  :-/

Posted by: Squirrel, Friday, January 18, 2008, 3:33pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from kate4975
Well, Don, if YOU can convince him, I would be eternally grateful! Unfortunately, I can't watch him 24 hours a day.  :-/

Haha! Mine thinks he's being compliant, that's the trouble. He's from the "a little bit now and then won't do any harm" school of thinking. The trouble is, his definition of "little" (KFC or Burger King :P :P every Friday) is different from mine (soy sauce as an ingredient in flavouring once in a blue moon) ::) ::) Aw gotta love 'em! :K)

ETA: coconut oil? I hadn't thought of that one. Just rub it in, right? Once a day? Twice?
Posted by: TJ, Friday, January 18, 2008, 6:15pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from Don
Clean up the diet!


Agreed.  I have had a bit of athlete's foot on my left foot for years, isolated to my little toe and next toe to it.  It wasn't a big problem, just annoying.  I tried various sprays and creams (perhaps not as consistently as needed), but it never cleared up.  However, I noticed a couple weeks ago that it was gone except for the bit in the toenails.  I have to guess that it's simply because of the BTD/GTD!
Posted by: kate4975, Friday, January 18, 2008, 6:28pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from TJ


Agreed.  I have had a bit of athlete's foot on my left foot for years, isolated to my little toe and next toe to it.  It wasn't a big problem, just annoying.  I tried various sprays and creams (perhaps not as consistently as needed), but it never cleared up.  However, I noticed a couple weeks ago that it was gone except for the bit in the toenails.  I have to guess that it's simply because of the BTD/GTD!


I think he had an epiphany last night! He actually said that he thinks following the diet would help the infection (dance)! Of course, I think the fact that I have to wait for his secretor status before I know his GTD emboldened him because he thinks he doesn't have to follow the A diet anymore. He thinks he can eat the way he wants until I know his GTD, which he's probably sure will be Hunter or Nomad (but I'd settle for Explorer (pray) ). Anyway, I told him it would probably help his prostatitis too but he poo-pooed that idea. Don't know why he's already limiting in his mind the potential this diet holds. I'm hoping for a fairly quick, tangible result to help him commit. Still need that secretor status though!
Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, January 18, 2008, 9:59pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from Don
Clean up the diet!


I have had ungoing problems with athletes foot. Adhering to the A nonsecretor diet seemed to have brought it under control. However, now that I have moved to the explorer diet the problems with athletes foot have returned.

Posted by: drgnwng1, Friday, January 18, 2008, 10:26pm; Reply: 18
Hi,
My son is the one that used the coconut oil to clear up his athletes foot. All his toes had huge flaps of ragged skin between them. Nothing the doctors gave him worked. They even had us use Original Listerine (guarenteed to work they said).
His toes no longer have the ragged skin but they are scarred and pink. They are fading out but no signs of any recurring infection. We started seeing healing within the week of using the coconut oil 2 times a day rubber between the toes and across the nails.
We used the "Garden of Life" Extra Virgin Coconut oil. 100% Organic No GMO's Vegetarian
Posted by: Squirrel, Saturday, January 19, 2008, 4:49pm; Reply: 19
Thank you Drgnwng1 - I've just read out your reply to hubbie and we're going to see what we can find in the HFS tomorrow.

(clap)(dance)(pray)
Posted by: Mercedes, Saturday, January 19, 2008, 11:34pm; Reply: 20
you may want to try diluting a little bit of lavender or tea tree oil in the coconut oil. Both tend to be anti-bacterial/fungal, and may be an added kick to the coconut oil.
Posted by: +Aan, Tuesday, January 22, 2008, 2:53pm; Reply: 21
Good Morning, I have so many lines on my fingertips it looks like I've been a slasher victim. Does this mean no wheat for me? What suppliments do I need to take? I read that it probably takes up to two years to fix. Even though I have fat all over I have very little on my hands. Please help!...Aani
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Tuesday, January 22, 2008, 5:03pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from +Aan
Good Morning, I have so many lines on my fingertips it looks like I've been a slasher victim. Does this mean no wheat for me? What suppliments do I need to take? I read that it probably takes up to two years to fix. Even though I have fat all over I have very little on my hands. Please help!...Aani


Yes "No Wheat for you!" ( I hope someone remembers the Seinfield episode).

I have them too so don't feel to bad about it.
You will feel good without the gluten in your diet.

Intrinsia by NAP is helpful. Add some ghee to your diet as well.
The small intestines will heal, it is an amazing organ. It may take some time but be confident that your efforts will not be in vain.

I am a Nurse and sometimes work in the Endoscopy unit, lots of celiacs come through the door. I now can spot them very quickly.
They have no fingerprint  (or they are very low ) and white lines  are visible with the naked eye.
I tell them, you must have celiac disease.. they all look surprised.
I guess I can also tell how compliant they are as well. ;D






Posted by: +Aan, Tuesday, January 22, 2008, 5:38pm; Reply: 23
Thanks, Dottie. Now when I check out the veggie hot dogs and burgers and such they list gluten as an ingredient. Is this the same thing and I need to avoid this as well? I would assume so. Soy cheese list casein as an ingredient. As far as I know this is bad as well? So much to absorb....Aani
Posted by: drgnwng1, Wednesday, January 23, 2008, 2:09am; Reply: 24
My finger have that slasher look to them too. They also hurt if I try to turn a lot of pages. LOL I have a hard time getting pages to turn. I have no ridges to grip them with. I am assuming it hurts to turn pages because my ridges are so low that my finger tip skin gets sore.
Jean
(so can I lead a criminal life now that I have not prints?)
Posted by: italybound, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 4:00am; Reply: 25
Quoted from dawgmama
TI know you are anxiously awaiting the GTD book, ;) you will enjoy it, it is worth the wait!


I got the book, did the measurements and did the fingerprints, but think I'll have to do those again. Never knew it was that hard to get good fingerprints. I'm thinking of going to the local police station and having them do it. You know they can get it right. LOL......then again, maybe I have low ridges....????  Now to get the figuring out done. :-)

Quoted from kate4975
Speaking of probiotics, can anyone speak to whether they would be helpful for my husband's looooooonnng-lasting fungal/yeast infection over most of his torso and upper legs?


I had a friend who had skin yeast infections, she used a lotion that I swear by for many thing. It contains grapeseed extract and some other good things, tho it does contain parabens. As I only use it when I need it, I pretend they're not in there LOL
It is a bit expensive, so it's not like I'll be slathering it on every day.  ;) this comes in a plastic bottle now....same amount, different shape
http://www.greatamericanproducts.com/pages/Home/Shopping/Skin_Care/Master_Cell_Protector_Cream

Posted by: purlgirl, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 8:40am; Reply: 26
Dottie do the finger print ridges heal/grow back and do the white lines go away?

Like to know how much recovery you have seen.
Posted by: Chanur, Saturday, February 2, 2008, 3:23pm; Reply: 27
I finally got around to finding glossy style paper and did my husbands and my own fingerprints. His are white lined just like in the book, but he's an O who still likes to eat spelt 4 times a week. The quiz that Dr. D. put in his blog a few days ago says that he should stay on BTD and not switch to GTD.

Here's my confusion & question: Mine have white lines, too, but they don't look anything like his or the example in the book or the video. Instead of horizontal (left to right) most of them run vertically (up & down).

The book says: "Low ridges often indicate disruption in the lining of your intestinal tract or some other type of digestive problem. They could also indicate intolerance to gluten or sensitivities to grains...and "leaky gut"..." and "...you will certainly want to follow the carbohydrate prescriptions in your GenoType Diet, which can make a world of difference in correcting digestive problems..."

Does this mean that I need to stay away from gluten or since they are different in direction, that they are likely being caused by other things I have been eating that I should not have been (my quiz did say I should switch to GTD).

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Posted by: 312 (Guest), Saturday, February 2, 2008, 8:53pm; Reply: 28
Chanur,
Don't know the answer, but my white lines go both ways also.  Mostly
vertical, but horizontal on paper with ink......
Posted by: mikeo, Saturday, February 2, 2008, 9:01pm; Reply: 29
the lines will go away with the help of food that have Butyric Acid in them like ghee or you could help yourself if you have some extra cash with http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP054

Also...stay away from the lectins in your diet and gluten
Posted by: Chanur, Sunday, February 3, 2008, 12:06am; Reply: 30
Reading that others of us have the same vertical striping and about the Intrinsia (hope I spelled it correctly) helped some...guess what's goin' in my "basket" for my next NAP order...

Thank you paulam and mikeo! :)

Posted by: Chanur, Thursday, April 3, 2008, 8:06pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from drgnwng1
Hi,
My son is the one that used the coconut oil to clear up his athletes foot. All his toes had huge flaps of ragged skin between them. Nothing the doctors gave him worked. They even had us use Original Listerine (guarenteed to work they said).
His toes no longer have the ragged skin but they are scarred and pink. They are fading out but no signs of any recurring infection. We started seeing healing within the week of using the coconut oil 2 times a day rubber between the toes and across the nails.
We used the "Garden of Life" Extra Virgin Coconut oil. 100% Organic No GMO's Vegetarian


I tried this for mine - nothing had been working (compliant to the diet to the point my husband was double checking me and I was driving him nuts I think, straight tea tree oil, straight lavendar oil, sunlight, sandals all the time, etc.). Well, it sorta helped for a little while and then quit...but I did not give up. Something about the coconut oil seemed like it should work, if only because its a GT3 Superfood.

I started eating it (about 1 Tab. a day) and putting it on my foot to keep it moisturised (not something that you're told to do with athlete's foot) and guess what! It started going away. I thought maybe it had just run it's course and was a coincidence so I stopped eating it. And it started creeping back. So I started eating it again and now it's pretty much gone.

I never would have even thought to try it on my feet or in myself were it not for this thread. Thanks everyone! :)
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