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Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, December 27, 2007, 5:14pm
gatherers, unite!
so what do you gatherers think bout the new foods? I am very pleased with them, although surprised at a few.....I mean...cottage cheese????? :o    what th'??? but on the other hand, occasional  avocado, mmmmm! (my dream came true!) No chicken????? for awhile, anyway....????
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, December 27, 2007, 6:10pm; Reply: 1
too soon for this thread? ok, I'll wait for the gatherers to gather..... ;)
come all ye!
Posted by: Gumby, Thursday, December 27, 2007, 6:33pm; Reply: 2
My hubby is a gatherer.  I am a bit envious of that diamond beside 'chocolate'!  There are lots of differences in the veggies too, which we find interesting...it was our common ground and now we are going to have to change a few things.

So interesting, isn't it?  He does not have the look of a gatherer...a mesomorph for sure...but in other ways I guess it fits.  You guys get spinach too!  He's happy about the odd bit of avocado too. :)
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Friday, December 28, 2007, 3:03pm; Reply: 3
I am pretty sure I am a gatherer.  I am also thinking my hubby is one too, without testing him.
He's a B, I'm an O....this would make our weight loss together so much easier.  I am quite excited right now!  He's a little sceptical.  So I think I will just start following the diet plan and see what happens for us both.  I understand the no chicken if B's can be gatherers....I am happy to have some
cottage cheese now and then, I loved it as a kid.....this is looking interesting.  I decided to join the
genotype site for a while to get started.  Will see if it is worth it, but I think for starting out and recipes it will be.   Wonder if a cookbook will follow?
Also, from my own experience lately, when I eat more fish, I lose more weight.  The gatherer diet is heavier on fish for dinner......think it's going to be the ticket! ;D
Posted by: jayneeo, Friday, December 28, 2007, 5:57pm; Reply: 4
Cool, Paulam. At least one other person who admits to being a gatherer! We can share recipes.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, December 28, 2007, 6:11pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from jayneeo
gatherers, unite!
so what do you gatherers think bout the new foods? I am very pleased with them, although surprised at a few.....I mean...cottage cheese????? :o    what th'??? but on the other hand, occasional  avocado, mmmmm! (my dream came true!) No chicken????? for awhile, anyway....????

Cottage cheese?  Gatherers do well on cottage cheese?  How FAB!  I was just thinking that this amazing very chunky and tomato-laden marinara that my HFS makes, which is more like a chunky tomato soup or stew than a marinara, would be great dabbed into a little cottage cheese for a quick breakfast or lunch sometimes...you mean I could go for it?!  That is, IF I'm a Gatherer...which I so am.  I already know I am, just from the two syllables I've seen of book excerpts (drool).

Okay, liking what I'm hearing outta you, post-book-receipt, Jayney:  sunflower seeds = check, occasionally; cottage cheese = check, sounds like it is actually RECOMMENDED (?), avocado = check, but who cares because I'm a nonnie and they were already a go for me.

(woot)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, December 28, 2007, 6:12pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from Gumby
My hubby is a gatherer.  I am a bit envious of that diamond beside 'chocolate'!

Chocolate?   ::)  I know it's a crowd pleaser but, come on, give me something **I** can work with!  Chocolate, pfffffft!

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, December 28, 2007, 6:16pm; Reply: 7
Wait a minute, wait a minute, here.  What is this "no chicken" scenario you all are referring to?  When Jayney said it, I just somehow ignored it *lol* (nothing personal, Jayney, no matter who said it I think I would have decided it didn't compute and thus must be a mistake, and I would have continued on my merry way reading), but then you are mentioning it, too, paulam?  So it was not a typo in Jayney's post, then?  My eyes were not playing tricks on me?  No CHICKEN?

Welcome to my world, I can just see harmonykitty thinking as she reads this post *lol*, aren't you?!  But I mean, no FAIR, I'm an O!  I LIVE on the HFS' curried BLEEPED* walnut chicken salad, the Genotype Diet is gonna yank that away?  Oh, the humanity.

* apple...hey, there's not much in there!
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Friday, December 28, 2007, 6:55pm; Reply: 8
Maybe you could convince them to make it with turkey also?  I personally never seemed to have a prob with chicken, but avoid it for the family meals if I can use turkey in the recipe.....but we do
eat it sometimes....
Yes the food lists are interesting, sort of different, yet familiar to btd......I think it will come down
to trying it out for a while, see how it goes....chocolate is a bennie!  
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, December 28, 2007, 6:59pm; Reply: 9
Chocolate is a Gatherer bennie?  See, I knew it.  I'm some other type trapped in a Gatherer's body!  As Jack Lemmon said in his dying breath in The China Syndrome, "I can feel it!"

Chocolate.  ::)  Puh-leeez!  I'm holding out for some REAL food.

Wait until I get my book, I'll find the REAL Gatherer staples, because obviously you pups are too blinded and dazzled by the chocolate to proceed any further!   ;D ;D ;D (bunny)(woot)(evil)

edited to add:  I don't care what torture techniques you employ on me, you will NOT get me to ingest chocolate!  Eeeeeeeeew!

If anyone needs me, I and my copy of ER4YT will be at an undisclosed hiding place in the deep forest, never to emerge again!  And I'm taking all my chicken with me!

Gosh, now I know how B's have felt all these years!

Edited to add:  no I don't, I can't cry for B's with their dairy products and their ability to cope with wheat.  Chicken seems like a fair trade for all that.  But for an O non like me?  You are going to come for my chicken?  Stay back!
Posted by: Mary M., Saturday, December 29, 2007, 12:23am; Reply: 10
Hello Gatherers,

Even if I remeasure my fingers twenty more times it's never going to change my classification as a "Gatherer". If my legs are longer than my torso and my upper leg is longer than my lower leg,and they are, then no matter what my fingers measure, in all catogories, I am a "Gatherer".

Beef (steaks, stews) is a neutral because it is not even mentioned.

So, Peppermint Twist, here are some SUPERbeneficials for Gatherers:

(Sorry, but lists of foods are in violation of copyrights - Mod.)

This may be more than you wanted to read, but it helps bend my mind around this new diet by crunching over the list. There are more foods on the list, these are just the ones that I am concerned about. But I included all the diamonds as far as memory serves.

My DH bought some New York steaks yesterday and I ate some this A.M. but looks like lamb will be the order of the days to come.
Well, off to buy some cottage cheese, the stuff that would have done me in a few days ago....now time to dig in. Of course the frequency charts must be considered.

So "Gatherers Unite" will be our meeting place from now on?

Happy New GTD New Year!

Cordially,
Margaret
Posted by: jayneeo, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 12:35am; Reply: 11
Right, Margaret! How .....(in the world) did we lose red wine????? ??) ??) ??) The stuff is full of resveratrol (a bennie supp)

but I welcome cottage cheese! And I am overall happy with this new food list.
Posted by: Mary M., Saturday, December 29, 2007, 12:55am; Reply: 12
Hi jayneeo,

My daughter mentioned to me (she's very reluctantly, in fact not at all accepting she's a "Gatherer")that just last week she was actually getting used to drinking red wine and was eyeing different labels, thinking what an adventure in wine tasting lay before her when suddenly the thought occured to her that this meant she probably wouldn't be able to drink red wine anymore. And sure enough...
But in 3-6 months, a little white wine!

It's the superbeneficial Lamb that poses a thorn in my side. I have always been a big beef eater.....and now if I eat out, seldom as that is, it'll have to be someplace that serves lamb: patties, oso boco, lamb chops, leg of lamb, and that can be more expensive. But the adjustment will be made, as usual. Turkey burger or that Jamacan Restaurant that serves goat (w/o the sauce) maybe.

It is getting to feel like an adventure just at this moment.
The exercise regime is quite a bit more to my liking: stretching and lengthening exercises with resistance.

Cordially,
Margaret
Posted by: Mary M., Saturday, December 29, 2007, 1:13am; Reply: 13
Hello fellow Gatherers,

Is anyone out there a Blood Type 0, Rh-, Non-secretor who is also a "Gatherer"?

Can't remember ever seeing an 0, Rh-, Nonnie anywhere on the site.
Is there one?

Cordially,
Margaret
Posted by: misspudding, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 1:14am; Reply: 14
Hey ladies,

I'm new to the BTD forums, but, like you guys, am kind of scratching my head in regards to things like cottage cheese and chicken.  
Anyway, I was curious what you O Rh negative types were thinking about being gatherers?  I thought for sure I was an explorer...so many chemical sensitivities, I'm tall, super-taster, etc.  All of the "strength testing" points on the explorer list, I was like "Absolutely!" but the ones on gatherer, I was like, "Not really!".

I keep thinking that if I get remeasured by my husband, it'll make a difference...but my ring fingers and leg measurements don't agree.
Posted by: misspudding, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 1:16am; Reply: 15
Margaret, I'm pretty sure I'm a nonnie, though I haven't been tested.  I'm so prone to yeast and I've always just gone "amen!" to most of the nonnie problems.

I guess I won't know until I get tested...
Posted by: jayneeo, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 1:35am; Reply: 16
well I'm Rh-, but a sec.
Posted by: misspudding, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 1:48am; Reply: 17
Nope...turns out I'm actually an explorer.  Finger measurements were slightly off.

Have fun, guys!
Posted by: OSuzanna, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 2:04am; Reply: 18
Unless my eyes deceive me, gatherers can have chicken, just supposed to lay off it for 3-6 months in the beginning, especially if dealing with health issues. Don't panic, twisty, it's not so bad.
Posted by: Mary M., Saturday, December 29, 2007, 2:36am; Reply: 19

Thank you for your responses, jayneeo and misspudding.

According to the new Genotype book, it's relatively easy to correctly type yourself when you know your Blood type, Rh status and Secretor status because then all you need to measure is your Torso Length and Upper and Lower Leg Length and finger lengths.

In my case, with a Torso longer than my legs and my Upper leg longer than my Lower leg, I have no other choice than to be a "Gatherer". My finger lengths, no matter what they are, all lead to "gatherer".

My daughter (who has an identical profile) wants to desperately be a "hunter" or an "explorer". When she strenth tested, she also was strongly an "explorer". But her measurements put her in the "Gatherer" camp. She is re-measuring and probably will be doing so for the rest of the year.

Cordially,
Margaret
Posted by: 2078 (Guest), Saturday, December 29, 2007, 3:07am; Reply: 20
Jayneeo, I thought I read that avocado is a "limit or avoid" now?  It is one of the foods I'm in mourning over... ??)
Posted by: Mercedes, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 3:19am; Reply: 21
If my torso is longer than my legs and my lower leg is longer and my D2s are longer, I am a gatherer, right?

I'm Not happy... I've made bananas and kamut and canola oil diet staples. Now they're out. I LOVE beef... now Turkey is better for me than beef. This genotype stuff is CRAZY... Oh, and swimming is good for me? I was swimming for a year with little fitness results, added running to my regime and finally started slimming down.

I barely tested positive on the strength test... not sure what this means yet... (Still don't have the book, but perused half of it in the store...)
Posted by: 2078 (Guest), Saturday, December 29, 2007, 3:21am; Reply: 22
Mercedes, actually, if your legs are longer than your torso, and your upper leg is longer than your lower leg... I think you got it reversed...
Posted by: Mercedes, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 3:59am; Reply: 23
hehe, Christine, you tell me. What I posted is what I am. I'm going with memory as to what it means, but my torso is longer, and my lower leg is longer and my d2s are longer...

I'll laugh if I'm not a gatherer because thats what I spent the time reading after the tests. I knew in advance my d2s are larger, I know my lower leg is longer (confirmed when I got home) I thought my legs would be longer than my torso (in the t-tapp world I'm a combo bordering short torso- but that doesn't take into account neck and head...)

Given what I stated, am I or am I not a gatherer?
Posted by: 2078 (Guest), Saturday, December 29, 2007, 4:06am; Reply: 24
Hi Mercedes, just looked your stats up in the book and it appears you are a gatherer... :)
Posted by: Mercedes, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 4:19am; Reply: 25
Thanks Christine, my memory was that no matter what, if my d2s were longer I'm a gatherer. As mentioned, I'm not too happy about it right now :) Too many thing I like or have made staples (made staples to be compliant with BTD I might add!!!) are now on my avoid list. I'm really reeling from the no banana bit. My morning smoothie was mango banana strawberry... no more banana??? No more mozzerella? I HATE cottage cheese. No more kamut??? No more sugar???

I'm kinda happy about the turkey thing... I eat turkey bacon, and turkey kulbassa a bit...obviously not organic,so I don't konw if that makes it neutral or avoid simply because of the additives. But now I feel less guilty because it's turkey ;)

But I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE my canola mayo. My mom laughed really hard at me when I said I'm not supposed to have it...

It's odd. BTD was exciting and I adapted to all the change pretty well. GTD has me shaking my head asking if it's worth it...

And swimming? Does nothing for me. I love swimming, but all it ever did was make me a 36D instead of a 34D. Running? Now that slims me down.

Obviously, my measurments make me gatherer, and yes I'm a great problem solver, but there's a LOT of things that are supposed to be typical of gatherers that don't apply to me... I now know how people who are vegetarians feel when told they're O and need meat...
Posted by: jayneeo, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 6:03am; Reply: 26
Mercedes, the shock of change is affecting you,.... you may come to love it.
Christine, you lost avocado, I gained it, as a secretor I could never have  it, now I can have it sometmes. I'm happy.
But for the love of all that is good why did we lose red wine???? ??)
Posted by: yaeli, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 9:12am; Reply: 27
Quoted from jayneeo
But for the love of all that is good why did we lose red wine???? ??)
The plot thickens!!! No red wine???  If I'm the gatherer that I look and am measured - fingers and legs - and probably am (the book isn't here yet, but it already looks 99%), this will be my foremost sin! Once a week, once a fortnight, once a month even - I'm afraid I can never, never give this one up. And about the bananas, my everyday delight, I can only shut up, the blow is too hard.  :X :X :X  So, I'll be quiet and wait patiently for B&N to be so kind and ship already.
Posted by: 2151 (Guest), Saturday, December 29, 2007, 9:24am; Reply: 28
To my astonishment, I am also a Gatherer.  I am more ectomorphic than endomorphic, have longer lower leg than upper legs, and have not had trouble maintaining my weight over the years (with the BTD).  I'm also a super-taster, and I'm 5'10".... and the results are very, very clear that I'm a Gatherer.

Although information is good, I'm none too pleased about some of the food changes!  Chicken, blueberries, cherries, and bananas in particular!  And as happy as I am to have cottage cheese back*, it is small consolation!

In other ways I'm so grateful to have the information - as an O+, I felt bad that I could not do more strenuous exercise like running.  I prefer yoga and swimming and always felt a bit exhausted by running and the like.

I'm sure that I will adapt to the changes over time, and it is my hope that the GTD will explain why I saw vast improvement in my health with ER4YT, but not complete improvement!




* potentially, I'll have to see if it makes my eczema come back like most dairy does
Posted by: yaeli, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 10:11am; Reply: 29
Now a new theory has popped in my mind as to why I chose to be vegetarian in the first place: My father grew chickens (for eggs) in our tiny farm, and in the hard times (50's) we had chicken in abundance, so I actually grew on chicken meat. No wonder I had always been so restless (if you saw chickens in cages you know what I mean). In my childhood we could afford very little beef and had it very seldom. Anyway the beef here was of a very poor quality to put it mildly (it still is) and I just disliked it. When I was twenty I "knew" meat was bad for me, but of course there was no way I could figure out that it was the chicken and not meat in general. I thought it was best to discard meat altogether. Voila.  (book2) (think)
Posted by: yaeli, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 11:53am; Reply: 30
Quoted from yaeli
So, I'll be quiet and wait patiently for B&N to be so kind and ship already.
It's been shipped!  (clap) (dance) Halleluya... *sigh of relief*  :D   What a joy!..  What a present for sweet sixty Geburtstag! (whistle)(pray)
Posted by: jayneeo, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 5:43pm; Reply: 31
yael, I can live with everything but the red wine restriction.......yeah, white wine could make up for it but red wine, well, its the blood of the earth.
Posted by: Mary M., Sunday, December 30, 2007, 6:59am; Reply: 32
Hi Fellow Gatherers,

The book arrived this afternoon and yes, both my daughter and I are "Gatherers". Oh, the joy of certainty! Stepping out in faith that that was our classification, both of us ate a compliant breakfast and neither of us was hungry 7 hours later. Now maybe it's just the newness of the scene...time will tell.

Here's a question: Dr. D. highly recommends an infrared sauna for effective detox and to soothe us. Can anyone recommend a good one that doesn't cost an arm and a leg?
Also any feedback from anyone who has used one?
Thank you.

Cordially,
Margaret
Posted by: yaeli, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 9:55am; Reply: 33
Quoted from jayneeo
yael, I can live with everything but the red wine restriction.......

red wine, well, its the blood of the earth.
:D  ;) I agree!!!

Until the book arrives, I'll better  :X  :X... and not speculate.

Posted by: LarryC., Sunday, December 30, 2007, 11:31am; Reply: 34
My book has arrived and I am a gather, It is about the same as my Swami has been for the last 6 months, no big change.
Posted by: 178 (Guest), Sunday, December 30, 2007, 12:39pm; Reply: 35
It's been a long time since I contributed to these forums, but this new book has rekindled my interest in BTD/GTD  :)

I have rather reluctantly discovered that I, too, am a gatherer - kinda wanted to be something more exciting! O+, sec, longer torso than leg, longer upper leg than lower, longer index fingers.

It does make some sense of my "problem areas" with BTD. I am relieved to find that the exercise component is less vigorous - vigorous exercise never really suited me, no matter how hard I tried; although I felt fantastic on the BTD, I didn't lose weight, in fact the only way I could lose weight was to cut out grain completely, which I found virtually impossible. I now realise that on the BTD, I was eating a lot of foods with a high glycemic index, which have been relegated to the toxic list, such as sweet potato, carrots, parsnip, banana (a banana every day!), prunes, raisins. I always felt slightly uncomfortable about eating so much beef - so I'm quite happy that the meat options have opened up a little more, even though I've never tried ostrich and emu!

Should be fun to play with this new way of eating, and look forward to being part of this community again  :K)
Posted by: jayneeo, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 5:16pm; Reply: 36
OK, I have had halibut, turkey, salmon, and lamb, all this week. I used to never eat fish (once or twice a yr) and same with lamb, but I am going to change that! I really like the fish I made, and the lamb chops my husband grilled! I don't see ostrich or emu on the menu for a while.....
Posted by: Mary M., Sunday, December 30, 2007, 6:42pm; Reply: 37
Hello Gatherers,

I feel funny on this new diet. This morning I wasn't hungry to speak of. Now after a light breakfast, I don't feel well. It could be the addition of cottage cheese after a year of no diary. My body is in shock.

Steady as she goes.
Any feedback on an infrared sauna...where to buy one and has anyone used one?

Cordially,
Margaret
Posted by: HarmonyKitty, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 7:17pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from Peppermint Twist

Welcome to my world, I can just see harmonykitty thinking as she reads this post *lol*, aren't you?!  But I mean, no FAIR, I'm an O!  I LIVE on the HFS' curried BLEEPED* walnut chicken salad, the Genotype Diet is gonna yank that away?  Oh, the humanity.

* apple...hey, there's not much in there!


Oh, but if I turn out to be a Nomad, it seems like chicken is allowable????  I don't know if I'm brave enough to try it!  But maybe I'm a gatherer too and we can convince said HFS to come up with a curried TURKEY walnut salad!  :)
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 7:51pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from Mercedes

It's odd. BTD was exciting and I adapted to all the change pretty well. GTD has me shaking my head asking if it's worth it...


Mercedes,
It can be a confusing transition when you have gotten established in a system that is working for you.  No doubt, the BTD is powerful and healing, and I think you should continue with your current path if you are more comfortable with that approach.

The Genotype diet is just the next evolutionary step in further refining the individualized path.  It is not required that you make a change if you like the results you are getting from your present eating plan.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 7:54pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from HarmonyKitty


Oh, but if I turn out to be a Nomad, it seems like chicken is allowable????  I don't know if I'm brave enough to try it!  But maybe I'm a gatherer too and we can convince said HFS to come up with a curried TURKEY walnut salad!  :)


For a nomad, chicken is a black dot food, which is still to be avoided if a person is trying to lose weight or deal with a health problem.  I see it as more of an occasional neutral, and definitely not a staple food.
Posted by: HarmonyKitty, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 7:59pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from Victoria


For a nomad, chicken is a black dot food, which is still to be avoided if a person is trying to lose weight or deal with a health problem.  I see it as more of an occasional neutral, and definitely not a staple food.


That is good, because I'm very reluctant to try it.  If, in fact, I am a Nomad.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 8:36pm; Reply: 42
Keeping in mind that I'm not a GTD expert at this time!   ;D

I'm still working on getting educated on all the aspects of this exciting new level of a wellness approach.
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Sunday, December 30, 2007, 8:51pm; Reply: 43
I am thrilled about white wine being preferred on the gatherer list.   I always loved a good sauv blanc, didn't give it up while doing the btd.  I have tried many more reds with the dh, but I just don't love them.  So happy!  Is champagne like white wine?  Assuming it's neutral, for the New Year...... ;)
Posted by: jayneeo, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 9:26pm; Reply: 44
right on, Paulam. Go with the bubbly... ;)   (I love a good sauv blanc too)
Posted by: Don, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 9:27pm; Reply: 45
Quoted from Mary M.
Here's a question: Dr. D. highly recommends an infrared sauna for effective detox and to soothe us. Can anyone recommend a good one that doesn't cost an arm and a leg?
Also any feedback from anyone who has used one?

My concern with recommending the use of infrared saunas is the high amount of EMF exposure from the electric heating elements.
Posted by: Whimsical, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 9:41pm; Reply: 46
Hey Don, do you know your GenoType yet?
Posted by: Joan, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 9:43pm; Reply: 47
Fellow gatherers,

I had just done a major Whole Foods shopping yesterday morning, then received my book in the afternoon.  I sure wouldn't have bought the 5 lb bag of carrots, and would have stocked up on plain oat cakes.  This afternoon I went to see what the local grocery store could provide--no turkey without self basting, no cottage cheese without food starch, guar gum or caraganeen, but they had tilapia, perch, and some dark green celery.  My husband thinks the Gatherer label is just right for me, and he actually is a Teacher.  It is amazing how closely he has come to his plan.  I just stuck all of the chicken in the bottom of the chest freezer, along with the cherries, blueberries and bananas.  Thank goodness grapefruit is good for both of us--we went in on a seven month order with friends.  I guess that we all will be on the lookout for where to find our new beneficials, acting like good gatherers!

Joan
Posted by: Whimsical, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 9:54pm; Reply: 48
Lovely!  Chocolate, walnuts, quinoa, flaxseed, and vegetable glycerine are all beneficial!  With butter as neutral, my homemade chocolate is good for me!

OMG, and I can make oatmeal cookies again!  I have a great rolled oat cocoa cookie recipe to bring back.  

Cheese will be interesting.  That was the easiest thing to give up when I started the O diet.  I found a recipe online for a ricotta cheesecake!  If I can make it with rice flour and agave syrup instead of wheat flour and sugar, it looks like a go!  Unbelievable.
Posted by: Don, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 9:56pm; Reply: 49
Quoted from Whimsical
Hey Don, do you know your GenoType yet?

Yes, I am a Gatherer, that strength tests weakly as a gatherer and strong as a hunter.

Posted by: Whimsical, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 10:07pm; Reply: 50
Quoted from Don

Yes, I am a Gatherer, that strength tests weakly as a gatherer and strong as a hunter.



I'm a Gatherer that strength tests weak for Gatherer, and a bit better for Explorer.  But I'm actually happier with the Gatherer foods lists than Explorer - a bit less exotic, chocolate (my favourite food ever), and higher protein/lower sugars.
Posted by: Molly, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 10:26pm; Reply: 51
Hi Gatherers,  I'm another O, Rh -, nonnie, gatherer.  I danced and found out my legs weren't long enough a long time ago. BUT I've never really had the padded look in fact my wrist test was where the fingers overlaped, my waist to hip is the ideal type and my index and ring fingers were the same lenght.  However I do believe my system is "metabolism-based".  I am willing to change the things that I eat one at a time.  I look back on some of the avoid food that really helped from the BTD diet and find they are not on the new list either. Two avoid foods are a surprise :o - brown rice and sweet potatoes.  Neither have never really given me any problems.  Is there an improvement that will come about when I do stop these two items ::)
Posted by: Don, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 10:31pm; Reply: 52
Quoted from Molly
Two avoid foods are a surprise :o - brown rice and sweet potatoes.  Neither have never really given me any problems.  Is there an improvement that will come about when I do stop these two items ::)

Those are probably both high glycemic foods, see page 135 Gatherer Diet Don'ts.

Posted by: Molly, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 10:52pm; Reply: 53
Hi,  Sweet potato has Glycemic Index around 59 and Yam 51.  Which seem in the same range.   I found an internet site which gives the difference http://members.aol.com/Wstnhouse/diff.htm
Posted by: jayneeo, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 10:56pm; Reply: 54
don't get too excited about yam....there aren't any in the U.S.....they are from Africa, and maybe other tropical places...
Posted by: Don, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 11:05pm; Reply: 55
Quoted from jayneeo
don't get too excited about yam....there aren't any in the U.S.....they are from Africa, and maybe other tropical places...

I can get true yams in at least one store I shop at.

Posted by: Whimsical, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 11:08pm; Reply: 56
How do you know when a yam is a "true" yam?  Eg: I've bought garnet yams in the past - are they yams or sweet potatoes?  
Posted by: jayneeo, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 11:14pm; Reply: 57
we use the words interchangeably, but shouldn't...they are different. Garnet yams are sweet potatoes, ironically enough....I've not seen yams, true yams.
Posted by: Molly, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 11:26pm; Reply: 58
Those on the "Toxins to limit or Avoid" list with the black dot can be reintroduced after 3-6 months.  So its not like sweet potatoes are out forever or brown rice.  Servings are either weekly or daily, I didn't notice with my first reading of the food listings.  Fruits are at least 3 servings daily which is more than I ever ate(with no bananas and blueberries for 3 to 6 months.)  I never could eat grapefruits and its on the superfood list.
Posted by: drgnwng1, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 11:39pm; Reply: 59
Being as how I have to cook for Explorers and Me (the gatherer) I decided to try the recipe posted at the genotype site for Explorer. The turkey and rice pasta one. I changed out the cilantro for spinach (I can't have cilantro) and skipped the pine nuts because we have nut allergies. I think it was to high a GI for me. My face majorly flushed. I will have to play with it some more. I know I need to wait to add some of these foods until after 6 months but as a quicky meal I was hopoing it would work for all of us.  ::)
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, December 30, 2007, 11:48pm; Reply: 60
Quoted from Mary M.


My daughter (who has an identical profile) wants to desperately be a "hunter" or an "explorer". When she strength tested, she also was strongly an "explorer". But her measurements put her in the "Gatherer" camp. She is re-measuring and probably will be doing so for the rest of the year.

Cordially,
Margaret


Hi  Margaret and hello everyone... this is exactly my position.  I strength test strong as an Explorer and the weakest as a Gatherer but in the Advanced Calculator based on my measurements, I'm a Gatherer.  I am excited about cottage cheese but not excited about the 'EXTREMELY LIMITED' amount of grain type foods we can have a week.  Only 2 - 3 servings a week!  At first I was like - oh boy white rice!  and then I saw how limited it was.  sigh.  I mean as an O Secretor on the old lists, I was having a piece of bread or two per day... compliant of course, and now?!  (sadness).

And about the chocolate... it is in the 'spice' category, not the chocolate cake or candy bar category!  I'm sure if you made a nice oat flour chocolate cake with Stevia you could have your small serving per week, but the rest of the week you  might suffer since again, we only get grain type items on a very limtied basis.

So maybe chocolate rice milk ? Using stevia and dark choc. powder with no additives.  
Posted by: Whimsical, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 11:53pm; Reply: 61
Quoted from 1323

I am excited about cottage cheese but not excited about the 'EXTREMELY LIMITED' amount of grain type foods we can have a week.  Only 2 - 3 servings a week!  At first I was like - oh boy white rice!  and then I saw how limited it was.  sigh.  I mean as an O Secretor on the old lists, I was having a piece of bread or two per day... compliant of course, and now?!  (sadness).


The carbohydrate frequency for Gatherers is 2-3 times DAILY, not WEEKLY.  What seems to have changed from BTD is that the portions are smaller (about half of what they used to be), and the TYPE of carbs you eat is very important.  So for us Gatherers, it is best to have small servings of low GI carbs.  
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, December 30, 2007, 11:56pm; Reply: 62
Quoted from Whimsical


The carbohydrate frequency for Gatherers is 2-3 times DAILY, not WEEKLY.  What seems to have changed from BTD is that the portions are smaller (about half of what they used to be), and the TYPE of carbs you eat is very important.  So for us Gatherers, it is best to have small servings of low GI carbs.  


Oh wow.. thank God!  Thank God!  I was like... jeeezzz how do I get through the day without a little grain here and there!   :-/
Posted by: Whimsical, Monday, December 31, 2007, 12:00am; Reply: 63
Quoted from 1323


Oh wow.. thank God!  Thank God!  I was like... jeeezzz how do I get through the day without a little grain here and there!   :-/


So, for an O-sec, it is not much of a change in carbs...  LR4YT says up to 1 serving daily (if I remember correctly), but the serving size was 2 slices of bread I think...  Now it is 2-3 servings, but the servings are smaller, like 1 slice.  Doesn't this make so much more sense for a type O - have the same amount, but maybe spread it out more?

As an O-non, I get lots more carbs!  This makes my life a bit easier, since I was previously limited to 3 servings WEEKLY.  And I really like quinoa and rice (just have to be basmati now, which I love!).
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Monday, December 31, 2007, 12:06am; Reply: 64
Ok.. so is anyone going to sign up for the $5 per week genotype diet program?
Posted by: Whimsical, Monday, December 31, 2007, 12:08am; Reply: 65
I'm already on that website on a free trial.
Posted by: Whimsical, Monday, December 31, 2007, 12:20am; Reply: 66
So who else is thrilled to have eggs as superfoods?  I LOVE eggs and was always eating more than LR4YT advised...
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Monday, December 31, 2007, 12:30am; Reply: 67
I'm thrilled about this as well.

BUT what about the new 1 tsp 4 times a week on ghee?!  My heart is broken!  I use ghee ALL THE TIME and not just a measly tsp...

what about this? :-/

Also.. why does it say in the Portion Size:

Milk: 6 ounces

when it does not list milk as a food to ingest?  He must mean Goat Milk which has the infamous black dot!  Yes?

I'm assuming cottage cheese would be considered in the cheese catagory here?
Posted by: jayneeo, Monday, December 31, 2007, 12:59am; Reply: 68
My take on this is that he just has these categories, dairy, milk, cheese, and whatever, for each type even though our type doesn't get any milk! So its zero for milk. thats what I think but I could certainly be wrong.
Posted by: Mary M., Monday, December 31, 2007, 8:57am; Reply: 69
Happy New Year, Fellow Gatherers!

Hi Molly, you are the first other0, Rh-, Nonnie, Gatherer that I have noticed on this site. Hooray! My daughter is also one. Is it just me or is our combination rare on this site? Anyone?

Hi Funkymouse, my daughter and I are getting comfortable with our "Gatherer" status. Actually she insisted on re-measuring everything tonight and has finally given up. It's the cottage cheese that really rings my bell...after no dairy ever for a year.
Full speed ahead....

Cordially,
Margaret
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:47am; Reply: 70
Can the calculator be used on a 13.5 year old girl???? or is she not ready yet ???

I put my daughter info in and it says gather to my HUGE surprise :o

We are talking about
O rh - , secretor
a very tall girl ( already 1.72) and will grow atleast 5-10 cm more)-  VERY lean and lanky typically ecto...and very low BMI but no eating disorder
her fingers are almost the same length on both hands except that right hands fingers are longer than left hands gingers
Her torso is a bit longer than her legs and her upper leg longer than the lower.
She has absolutely no padding- but was a sumo baby until the age of 2 years or so. BUT NOT FAT- very physically strong ...
Her jaw is almond shaped and she has spade like incisors
and her face especially is very asymmetrical
I havnīt done the prop or the fingerprint test ... but I must say I would never ever have put her in the gather family...
She loves the cheese and chocolate though ;D
Posted by: LarryC., Monday, December 31, 2007, 11:40am; Reply: 71
Try looking at this web site about Sweet Potato's and Yams.http://www.ncsweetpotatoes.com:80/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=89&Itemid=231
Posted by: Don, Monday, December 31, 2007, 4:35pm; Reply: 72
Quoted from Henriette Bsec
Can the calculator be used on a 13.5 year old girl???? or is she not ready yet ???

I put my daughter info in and it says gather to my HUGE surprise :o

We are talking about
O rh - , secretor

The absolute best way to determine your GT is to have your blood type, Rh, and secretor status along with your torso, leg and finger length measurements.

If you have those, then the other data doesn't matter.

However, I thought that Dr. C posted that the tables applied at 15. I think Dr. D hopes to provide some tables for younger children sometime.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 1:04pm; Reply: 73
Quoted from Don

The absolute best way to determine your GT is to have your blood type, Rh, and secretor status along with your torso, leg and finger length measurements.

If you have those, then the other data doesn't matter.

However, I thought that Dr. C posted that the tables applied at 15. I think Dr. D hopes to provide some tables for younger children sometime.


Thanks Don...  :D I didnīt see the 15 years
we will wait and see what happends.... she just doesnīt really sound like a  gather  ??)
Posted by: Chris, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 1:43pm; Reply: 74
Quoted Text
edited to add:  I don't care what torture techniques you employ on me, you will NOT get me to ingest chocolate!  Eeeeeeeeew!



Wow, PT, I can relate.

Although, I've been meaning to try just cocoa to see if it's any different by itself.  Who knows, might be just as nasty.
Posted by: drgnwng1, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 1:53pm; Reply: 75
I love Cocoa Nibs. I am hoping they are considered chocolate and not an occasional neutral.I may have to explore adding cocoa powder to some things like Ricotta and cottage cheese   ;D
Posted by: Don, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 3:47pm; Reply: 76
Quoted from Henriette Bsec
Thanks Don...  :D I didnīt see the 15 years
we will wait and see what happends.... she just doesnīt really sound like a  gather  ??)

I am not 100% sure about that information since I couldn't find the post to confirm.

Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 3:57pm; Reply: 77
Quoted from Don

I am not 100% sure about that information since I couldn't find the post to confirm.



Ok... maybe I can ask Dr D himself on the new board  Ithink it is important to know
Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 4:00pm; Reply: 78
Quoted from Peppermint Twist
Chocolate is a Gatherer bennie?  See, I knew it.  I'm some other type trapped in a Gatherer's body!  As Jack Lemmon said in his dying breath in The China Syndrome, "I can feel it!"

Chocolate.  ::)  Puh-leeez!  I'm holding out for some REAL food.

Wait until I get my book, I'll find the REAL Gatherer staples, because obviously you pups are too blinded and dazzled by the chocolate to proceed any further!   ;D ;D ;D (bunny)(woot)(evil)

edited to add:  I don't care what torture techniques you employ on me, you will NOT get me to ingest chocolate!  Eeeeeeeeew!

If anyone needs me, I and my copy of ER4YT will be at an undisclosed hiding place in the deep forest, never to emerge again!  And I'm taking all my chicken with me!

Gosh, now I know how B's have felt all these years!

Edited to add:  no I don't, I can't cry for B's with their dairy products and their ability to cope with wheat.  Chicken seems like a fair trade for all that.  But for an O non like me?  You are going to come for my chicken?  Stay back!




U ro so very funny Peppytwist  ;) ;) ;) :K) ;D :P ;) :)
Posted by: Don, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 4:42pm; Reply: 79
Quoted from Don

I am not 100% sure about that information since I couldn't find the post to confirm.

I didn't find the question or Dr. C's response, but I did find Dr. D's.

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-alttreat/m-1197971832/s-25/


Posted by: Melissa_J, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 9:21pm; Reply: 80
Hello Everyone!  I'm officially with you now.  Thanks to Don for pointing me in the right direction on my measurements, I'm now done re-measuring.

I think GTD will be easier than BTD O-non.  There are some adjustments to make, of course.

Anybody notice that the only green teas that are beneficial are kombucha and kukicha?  

I enjoyed some Nancy's Cottage Cheese last night, as well as some kombucha, and felt a bit more energy afterward, so I'm excited about all these changes.
Posted by: Whimsical, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 9:37pm; Reply: 81
Quoted from Melissa_J

Anybody notice that the only green teas that are beneficial are kombucha and kukicha?  


Oh, I read that to mean that green tea is beneficial, including kukicha which is made from the bark and stems of the tea plant.  I notice that for some other types the listing says "Tea, green, kukicha, bancha", which makes it seem like if there is a comma, it is part of a list?  Not sure now...  Anyway, I'm thrilled since kukicha is by far my favourite kind of tea!

I'm not very familiar with kombucha, but I don't think it is a green tea (since it doesn't come from the tea plant, camellia sinensis).  Isn't it made from seaweed or a mushroom?  Will have to track some down...

Posted by: Don, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 9:39pm; Reply: 82
Maybe it is supposed to be interpreted as green tea and kukicha.
Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 9:41pm; Reply: 83
yes, both, I think.......kukicha is also called twig tea.
Posted by: Mercedes, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 9:44pm; Reply: 84
I *think* kombucha is made with a mushroom. Myself, I'm a yerba mate addict, so quite glad to still have it as a benny.
Posted by: Melissa_J, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 9:46pm; Reply: 85
Kombucha is cultured green tea, from what I understand.  You can only buy it in a refrigerated bottle.

I too love yerba mate, and have noticed that it gives me more stable/lasting energy than green tea (which I also love).  I have yet to try kukicha, but bought some last night (along with cottage cheese, GF oat flour, and basmati rice.)

I was also happy to see all the beneficial mushrooms, and asparagus!  There seem to be a lot more beneficial vegetables than for O-nons, even though a few of the old beneficials are now avoids or black dots.
Posted by: Whimsical, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 10:19pm; Reply: 86
Ah, I have now learned that kombucha is NOT a mushroom, but it looks like one...  Apparently the bacteria cultured in the tea looks kind of like a pancake.

I remember when I was young I watched some talk show one day and they were espousing the miraculous benefits of this tea that you could grow in a closet that had this pancake-like thing on top.  Apparently it cures cancer!  

The name is a bit confusing, because kombu is a type of seaweed and cha is the word for tea in Cantonese.

Yogi Tea makes a nice Green Tea Kombucha that I plan to pick up tomorrow...  They have an AMAZING website, BTW, worth a visit just to admire the creativity...
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 10:45pm; Reply: 87
Kombucha cah be made with either black or green tea and sweetened with sugar, honey, maple syrup, or ?? . .

My daughter used to make her own, using a starter, green tea and maple sugar (I think any high glycemic sweetener could be used) to feed the culture.  It sat in gallon jars for a couple of weeks, covered with cloth over the opening of the jar.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 11:46pm; Reply: 88
I've got Chocolate Kisses listed as a snack for Wed!!!

wow....
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 11:48pm; Reply: 89
Love this thread!  I'm so glad Don and Lola are here.  For you you guys/gals were part of the backbone of the BTD thread and it's nice to have a couple of the many long timers here in the Gatherer section!

I'm slowly accepting my place in the world as a Gatherer.  I'm an Meso-Ectomorph type and a super taster and I'm tall.  So I also do not fit the other profile aspects.

I do fit the O pos secretor descriptions to the T.

So like I mentioned on one of the threads on the other site... I think your GT is what you are born with like your blood type.  You can't change it, it is what it is and it is the basis of who you are.

The only thing is that I still believe the ER4YT science holds true for my blood type so I can still know that as an "O," Gatherer who is an individual,  for instance, that I need to tweek the GT science to fit me personally.

I hate (I know harsh word), but I do... I cannot stand most of the vegies now on the Gatherer list but there are a couple that were Superbenies for me on the O diet that I like and so I will enjoy those.

I think like in dealing with chronic or constant pain, we learn to adapt to things that arn't good for us sometimes, not even knowing the disease process that is in action due to what we are eating or how we are exercising and so we teach our bodies and minds to believe that we do well on certain things when in reality these things are slowly tearing us down.

I am going to embrace the GT Gatherer thing because it is the latest and greatest science and it's got to be the next best thing for me and my  health.

It certainly doesn't hurt to give this new science a test run to see how one does.  And remember, we all have individual senstivies and allergies - I have an allergy to Tumeric.  And it's supposed to be a superbeni for O's and Gatherers.. but I cannot touch the stuff as it cause me chronic bowel problems.

So listening to your body during this time of acceptance and change is crucial.

Cheers on this New Years Day of 2008!  A new GT beginning!  And chocolate ricotta pudding every other day!!!! YUMMMMMMMM!!!   And eventually beef or bison cabbage rolls!!! YUMMMMMM!!! and eventually an orange!!!! oh boy!!!!
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 12:02am; Reply: 90
If you are having a hard time accepting your Gatherer status see Melissa Jones Blog of 1/1/08.  It's excellent!
Posted by: Melissa_J, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 12:33am; Reply: 91
Quoted from Don
Maybe it is supposed to be interpreted as green tea and kukicha.


I think you're right, it says "tea, green, kukicha" so I think that means both.

I just tried my kukicha, and it is lovely, reminds me of white tea, just a bit less subtle.

Kate's blog today is good too, I think I went through the same stages of waiting for the book and obsessing about the measurements, etc.  I must get that ricotta cheesecake recipe!  In Italy, in 1998, I had a ricotta/spinach pie that was in a pastry crust, I think that sans crust, that could be a good gatherer food. I never thought I'd see the day!  In a few months, once I get feta back, I used to make a spinach/red pepper/feta quiche, that with the right crust would also be compliant.  

How to do without any rice flour at all?  I relied heavily on sweet rice, but now must move it down to the freezer for later (or only feed those goodies to the kids).

Today I'm making quinoa tortillas (Brighid posted a recipe to recipebase, they're great), and I need to make some flax crackers (I keep reaching for my rice crackers), and some flax bread. http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/breads/r/flaxbasicfoc.htm?p=1
I was relying to heavily on a not-completely-compliant rice bread, but knew I needed to give it up.  

I think it's so nice to have some foods you can add in later.  I was always kind of stumped once I reached my weight goal and got pretty healthy/energetic on BTD, because I knew I could tolerate a few avoids at that time, but never knew which ones to choose.  It also helps me in my resolve, since I know that if I'm good, I'll be rewarded with new foods.
Posted by: drgnwng1, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 3:04am; Reply: 92
Quoted from 1323
I've got Chocolate Kisses listed as a snack for Wed!!!

wow....


But don't they have sugar? Isn't sugar an avoid?
And Chocolate is not the same as Cocoa. And it doesn't say what % chocolate. Besides if I bought a bag to have 6 I would eat the whole bag  :o best not to have it at all  :'(
Jean
Posted by: Melissa_J, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 3:08am; Reply: 93
There are still a few bugs in the gtd website.  Perhaps substitute a more compliant chocolate?  I wish there were a truly compliant one on the market, but melting unsweetened chocolate and adding compliant sweetener is still the only way to go.

I'm happy to see that cashews are a black dot avoid, so I may add them in in a few months...yum. Pistachios are too, but not an option for me as they are one of my true allergies. (may want to double check me, I'm going from memory on those, though I don't think any of us are jumping into any black dot avoids just yet.)
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 3:31am; Reply: 94
Melissa,
I bought a compliant deli fritatta yesterday and thought of you because it had no crust at all.  It's a wonderful way to incorporate eggs and vegetables without fighting with the grains.
Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 4:01am; Reply: 95
let's face it, the GTD site is reaching out to the mainstream...lucky for them...so a few things have a bit of compromise...as in the kisses....I'll not be having any...(but I know how to make a cocoa tea with agave or stevia and a bit of butter that just would not fly with the public.)
Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 4:08am; Reply: 96
Oh, yeah, funkymuse, you may not like these veggies at first, but my dinner was delicious: "beneficial ratatouille":
1 1/2 zucchini, sliced
half an onion, sliced
half a jalapeno, chopped small
half a fennel bulb, sliced fine
stirfry in olive oil in wok on med. heat until done
sprinkle with lime juice, sea salt and grated cheese (I used manchego...not a bennie)
this made one whole meal or two sides.


Posted by: Mary M., Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 4:09am; Reply: 97
Hi Gatherers,

OK, I signed on for the GTD Website one week free trial about 20 minutes ago and I can't process after I enter my measurments and ID icon and name. It just sits on that page and I tried on both our computers.

What a shame as I was looking forward to perusing the site.
What is the problem, I wonder?
Wish I knew how to holler help to someone who could fix it.
My free week should start when the site actually works.

Time to try again.
Anyone else have this problem?

Cordially,
Margaret
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 4:12am; Reply: 98
Here is the GTD site support email address: Support@genotypediet.com.

Quoted Text
Member Support and Customer Service
You can e-mail our customer care team at Support@genotypediet.com. Or you can call us toll-free at 866-225-2393 from 9 a.m. – 8 p.m. ET, Monday through Friday. Please note that you may need to provide the following info:

1) Are you using a PC or Mac?
2) What is your operating system? e.g.: Windows XP, Windows 2000, Mac OS X
3) What is your browser? e.g.: Explorer, Firefox, Safari
4) Which browser version?
5) Are you using AOL? If so, what version?

Please provide as much detailed information as you can about the problem, including an exact description of any error messages you receive.
Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 4:12am; Reply: 99
I had some problems, but now am on....you should call the help number tomorrow.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, January 3, 2008, 5:16am; Reply: 100
I m still turning those volume switches up or down gradually......lots to read and learn yet.
Posted by: Brighid45, Friday, January 4, 2008, 12:10am; Reply: 101
Did some measurements tonight, and while they were a bit rough, they were accurate enough to let me know I'm more than likely a Gatherer! No surprises there, when I first read the descriptions of the types I knew instinctively Gatherer was mine.

The food list is interesting. For the last year or so I've been craving turkey and lamb more than beef! Shocking admission for an O secretor, but not a Gatherer! :) Temporarily losing blueberries, cherries and kale is sad, but gaining cottage and ricotta cheese, sardines, oat flour and bran and CHOCOLATE (!!!)among other foods, is so cool! I can't wait to try turnip greens, flax-millet bread and cherimoya! This is going to be a wonderful adventure.

It's going to be a bit of a job learning bennies/avoids all over again, but I'm willing to give it a try! This is so exciting! :)
Posted by: jayneeo, Friday, January 4, 2008, 12:29am; Reply: 102
Yayyyyy!!! another one! ;D
dontcha just love the food list? I do, even though the veggies and fruits are reduced....still there's some goodes...I love zucchini and celery and onion!!!
Posted by: Melissa_J, Friday, January 4, 2008, 12:39am; Reply: 103
Brighid, you'll have to post any recipes you have for millet flax bread, or oat bread, or any of the like...without rice flour, we're getting a bit desperate :)  Your tortillas have saved me more than a few times tis week though.
Posted by: Brighid45, Friday, January 4, 2008, 12:51am; Reply: 104
Will do. I'll have to experiment some--boy, what a hardship! Fortunately there's a wonderful store just down the street from us where you can get all kinds of specialty flours, and they do carry oat flour and bran, as well as flaxseed and millet flour. So we'll see what can be done.

Just off the top of my excited little head, I'd say that a yeasted batter bread would probably be a good bet for a workable recipe. No kneading, just mix up the batter, let it proof, stir it down a bit and bake. Batter breads are usually fairly sturdy but tender and good for toasting or sandwiches. Adding in ground flaxseed would stabilize the batter and add some structure from the lignan 'goop', as we know well.  

We get oat flour! We get oat flour! Yaaaaaay! (I'm part Scots, I've missed my oats! LOL)Now to find some GF flour!

Btw, glad the quinoa tortillas have come in handy! I need to make a batch myself. Who knew they would be so good for us? ;)
Posted by: Brighid45, Friday, January 4, 2008, 12:59am; Reply: 105
jaynee--YES, I love the food list! There are so many new things to try, I can't wait to go shopping and have fun experimenting! About a half hour from our house is a turkey farm that has a storefront. You can buy all kinds of range-free, natural-diet turkey products there, including some really terrific sausage. I plan to splurge this week. Hehheh.

We get turkey! We get turkey! Yaaaaay!

Yes, I'm a little excited. Why do you ask? ;)
Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Friday, January 4, 2008, 1:10am; Reply: 106
Bridgid, I you read the almond-oat meal pie crust thread I posted you'll see that all you have to do is grind oatmeal in a food processor using the chopping blade. Oh if you can figure out how to make the Faux Graham Cracker crust version chocolate for some people who want my old White Chocolate Cheesecake recipe you get bonus point. I can't use it as chocolate is a black dot for me. More bonus points if you come up with a flax-millet bread, that I can use.
Posted by: Brighid45, Friday, January 4, 2008, 1:25am; Reply: 107
I'll look over the Nomad food lists and see what I can do to make a flax millet bread you can have, GCG. :)

I'd bet you could substitute pinhead oats for oat flour as well, if you can't grind your own. (Pinhead or finely ground oats are what some Scots use to make oatmeal. You sprinkle the meal over boiling water and stir with a wooden spoon. Most HFS or natural foods stores should carry it.)

Hmm . . .the faux chocolate 'graham cracker' crust is a poser. I'd have to work on that one for a bit.
Posted by: geminisue, Friday, January 4, 2008, 3:05pm; Reply: 108
I need some verification I think I am a gatherer  
Here are my measurements
index finger longer than ring finger on both hands
height 63"
hip to knee 10.5
knee to ankle 12
torso length 35.5
leg length   18.5
circumference of wrist thumb surpasses forefinger by 1/4 "
thanks
Posted by: Brighid45, Friday, January 4, 2008, 3:21pm; Reply: 109
GSue--according to the second jump table in the Appendix, with the stats you posted it looks like you are indeed a Gatherer. :)
Posted by: geminisue, Friday, January 4, 2008, 3:29pm; Reply: 110
Wow! Thanks for verifying, will be getting my book soon.
Posted by: 1586 (Guest), Friday, January 4, 2008, 4:11pm; Reply: 111
I'm beginning to hope I'm not a gatherer.  I can't stand cottage cheese (although, having said that, I wonder if I might find it more acceptable having got used to goats cheese) chicken is a staple food and lamb is so much more expensive than beef, here, that it is a special treat only.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Friday, January 4, 2008, 4:37pm; Reply: 112
Quoted from 1586
I'm beginning to hope I'm not a gatherer.  I can't stand cottage cheese (although, having said that, I wonder if I might find it more acceptable having got used to goats cheese) chicken is a staple food and lamb is so much more expensive than beef, here, that it is a special treat only.


Hi there... you don't have to eat cottage cheese! I'm certainly not going to eat Asparagas!  I HATE it!!!  :P  Choose the things you really enjoy and try the things you haven't...  :D
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Friday, January 4, 2008, 4:39pm; Reply: 113
Hey Don or Dr. C or any of you more GT knowledgeable experinced great ones residing in our presence!   :)

What about Gymnema for us Gatherers?  I wonder if that would help with the sugar issues and the tendency toward insulin problems and diabeties?
Posted by: Brighid45, Friday, January 4, 2008, 5:48pm; Reply: 114
If anyone is interested, I posted a millet flaxseed quickbread recipe in the 'baking with millet flour?' thread. Be warned--it's experimental, I haven't even tried it myself yet, just made some modifications based on my own baking experience. But anyway, it's there if you'd like to try it. Should be okay for Nomads as well, GCG. :)
Posted by: jayneeo, Friday, January 4, 2008, 5:56pm; Reply: 115
funkymuse.....!!!! what an awesome idea! I even have some! Gymnema sylvestra.......wonder what Dr. D. thinks of this idea...? maybe its the big guns, too much...?
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Saturday, January 5, 2008, 2:46pm; Reply: 116
Quoted from jayneeo
funkymuse.....!!!! what an awesome idea! I even have some! Gymnema sylvestra.......wonder what Dr. D. thinks of this idea...? maybe its the big guns, too much...?


Yes I'd like to really know even though I've discovered I'm a Hunter after all!  But I take this stuff and hope it is doing something!  ha...
Posted by: jayneeo, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 5:07pm; Reply: 117
oh well... happy hunting!
Posted by: OSuzanna, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 9:03pm; Reply: 118
Knock, knock, no, it's not a joke, I got my backpack with me. I moved out of the Explorers' camp and believe I belong over here...Can anyone tell me where the Therapy Room is for Finger Measuring Trauma Therapy? :B
I remeasured and reconsidered.
I'm gonna go sit down in a corner, now, it's been a rough day.(sleeping) ;)
Posted by: Brighid45, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 9:23pm; Reply: 119
(woot) Welcome Suzanna! *BIG gentle hug* I'm sorry you got so traumatized. All that's over now and you're in the right place. We're glad to have you here! Gatherers rock! (dance)
Posted by: OSuzanna, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 9:58pm; Reply: 120
;D
Posted by: AmyH, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 10:50pm; Reply: 121
I'm glad I found this thread. I too am an O + nonnie Gatherer. I've been doing the GTD for a number of days now and do feel really good. It's hard adjusting, but fun at the same time trying new food combinations.

Has anybody trie the Mana bread? I ate it the other day, very yummy.

Wherehow do I find recipies for the Gatherer, do I have to join the GTD site?

Happy to be here amongst fellow GT Gatherers!!!!
Posted by: drgnwng1, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 11:49pm; Reply: 122
I can understand the finger measuring thingy. Mine is finger prints. I don't seem to have them. I have so many white lines I can't see the prints. The lines seem to stcik out further then the prints. Everyday my husband ciomes home to another sheet of paper with finger tip marks.
He laughs and says"trying to get your finger prints again I see". The thing is I can get his easily so I know it is not technique!
I tried after peeling lemons,after a bat, after lots of water. In the morning at night. HELP I need my identity!
Okay I am a Gatherer that is all I need to know. And I am happy as a Gatherer.
Posted by: Brighid45, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 11:51pm; Reply: 123
Hey Amy, nice to meet another Gatherer! :)

There are probably lots of recipes at the GT site, you might want to check and see. I'm sure we'll see people finding or creating recipes here as well on a casual basis.
Posted by: Gumby, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 12:12am; Reply: 124
drgnwng1, try the scanner trick that someone posted about.  That worked for me.  just scan your prints at 600dpi, and don't press too hard on the scanner or you can't see a thing lol.  
Posted by: TypeOSecretor, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 3:14am; Reply: 125
Quoted from Brighid45
If anyone is interested, I posted a millet flaxseed quickbread recipe in the 'baking with millet flour?' thread. Be warned--it's experimental, I haven't even tried it myself yet, just made some modifications based on my own baking experience. But anyway, it's there if you'd like to try it. Should be okay for Nomads as well, GCG. :)



I'm interested, but I can't find the link.  Can you post the link?  Thanks.
Posted by: Brighid45, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 3:51pm; Reply: 126
Go here:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1197330362/

I'm in the process of working out the bugs in the recipe (so to speak)and will post further results as they come in. I've got the second batch of flour soaking right now, to bake a loaf tonight. :)
Posted by: TypeOSecretor, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 5:26pm; Reply: 127
Thanks Brighid!  
Posted by: Poly, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 6:38pm; Reply: 128
Turns out I'm a Gatherer, too.

I'm looking forward to try out my new foods. I couldn't lose weight on BTD - maybe GTD is the fine tuning I need to do just that.

I'm thrilled about the cheeses - and black tea - yeah! :D
Posted by: jayneeo, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 6:44pm; Reply: 129
welcome, Poly!!  ;D.....I'm thinking this way of eating may make the difference too!!
Posted by: lakes-lady68, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 6:44pm; Reply: 130
Hi Poly, I was finding it so hard to give up black tea lol and I'm so pleased to realise it's good for me  ;D

I tried the Yerba Mate yesterday, a very smokey taste but I do like it.    
Posted by: jayneeo, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 6:48pm; Reply: 131
the yerba mate with a bit of stevia and a bit of cocoa.....yumm.
Posted by: lakes-lady68, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 7:15pm; Reply: 132
Thanks Jayneeo, I'll try that, would the Stevia powder be okay for that as the liquid is impossible to get in the UK?   I had to buy a case from Ireland last time I wanted any  :-/
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 7:28pm; Reply: 133
Mate can be found smoked, and unsmoked.  I like the unsmoked better.
Posted by: lakes-lady68, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 7:31pm; Reply: 134
Thanks Victoria, just found some unsmoked so ordering it now.  
Posted by: OSuzanna, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 7:48pm; Reply: 135
I would imagine the Stevia powder would be fine, I usually see it in the stores more often as a powder. 'scuse me, I gotta go, the dog's destroying something in the livingroom (I should probably rename it the "wreckroom")....
Posted by: drgnwng1, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 10:48pm; Reply: 136
I made the flaxseed bread
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/breads/r/flaxbasicfoc.htm?p=1

Very yummy hot. Will check how it holds up to sandwiches tomorrow. I used 2TBS Agave and removed 1 TBS water. I will try the pizza crust version next.
I used the organic golden flaxseed meal.
Thank you for the link.
Jean
Posted by: 1035 (Guest), Sunday, January 6, 2008, 11:00pm; Reply: 137
Hello everyone, pretty new here, I have the genotype book but have gone online to get recipes and it looks like I have to pay to join the site! Is this true? I am a gatherer and went out today and spent a fortune in groceries to revamp my kitchen but now I am trying to think of different dishes I could make.
I LOVE cottage cheese and have been eating it sporadically and I am very happy to find out it is great for me being a gatherer.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 11:08pm; Reply: 138
yes welcome!
join the site, it s a great place to get ideas and recipes as well as meal plans according to your needs!
you ll love it!
see you there! ;)
Posted by: meribelle, Monday, January 7, 2008, 2:16am; Reply: 139
Hey Guys.... I just found out I am not a Hunter.  I am a Gatherer.  I was reading everyone's posts and it just came to me that I should remeasure and sure enough... All my digits are the same.  So I wanted to be a Hunter, but I can't change what I am.  Please welcome me into your flock!
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Monday, January 7, 2008, 2:50am; Reply: 140
Welcome, Meribelle, as a Gatherer.  I'm a Gatherer with a Teacher husband, too.(sunny)
Posted by: Gumby, Monday, January 7, 2008, 3:55am; Reply: 141
And I am a teacher with a gatherer husband!  ;D  Same thing, only backwards. 8)  

So I lurk here with you gatherers to see what I can learn.  We are pretty good about cooking our own stuff, but at least there are a few things we can share. ;D
Posted by: OSuzanna, Monday, January 7, 2008, 4:13am; Reply: 142
Meribelle, welcome from another Gatherer-come-lately! ;)
Posted by: 9 (Guest), Monday, January 7, 2008, 8:19am; Reply: 143
I am a gatherer too.  I made the flax bread the other day.  Very good, but freaked me out when I figured all the calories. It also made my stomach very grumbly... millet, brown basmati rice and barley did also.  My body does not like grains in any way.  After I eat them I feel sluggish and hungry again soon after, not to mention the bathroom problems. Is anyone else carb sensitive?

Norma
Posted by: lakes-lady68, Monday, January 7, 2008, 10:45am; Reply: 144
Quoted from 9
I am a gatherer too.  I made the flax bread the other day.  Very good, but freaked me out when I figured all the calories. It also made my stomach very grumbly... millet, brown basmati rice and barley did also.  My body does not like grains in any way.  After I eat them I feel sluggish and hungry again soon after, not to mention the bathroom problems. Is anyone else carb sensitive?

Norma


Hi Norma

I have to be careful with grains too, but that might be due to other 'toxins' I've been eating for the BTD O diet.   Best to go slowly on the grains, make a note of which you're eating, with what and when.  Then you'll see a pattern.   I find if I eat grains with proteins that I my belly grumbles and squeaks for hours lol, my friends call it the 'singing stomach' so I food combine and eat grains with veggies, veggies with proteins and it works for me.

Good luck with the plan and the exercise, I'm not a natural exerciser but I do walk a lot with our labrador which helps, and I find pilates to be really helpful, and non-sweaty lol.

Loraine

Posted by: Curious, Monday, January 7, 2008, 11:38am; Reply: 145
My book arrived this morning - earlier than predicted and after reading it and measuring it turns out that I am a Gatherer. The profile fits me very well, except for the fact that I am tall, slim and have never been on a weightloss diet.
I like the food-list, interestingly the 2 things I cheated occasionally on the 0-nonsecretor diet were black tea and cinnamon - and both are superfoods now.
I put together a shopping list for tomorrow, maybe the Gatherer diet will help me overcome my backpain/sciatica. The 0-nonsecretor diet helped initially, but the pain is still there. Maybe because I was eating quite a bit of red meat (now neutral), lots of broccoli (now black dot avoid) and lots of cherries and blueberries (now black dot avoids). Will be interesting.
Posted by: lakes-lady68, Monday, January 7, 2008, 11:41am; Reply: 146
Hi Curious, I also have a back problem (hypermobility of the SI joints), I really struggled to give up black tea so I'm relieved it's now good for us.

I'm making an indian rice pudding (with almond milk and almond paste mixed into the basmati rice), and it's soooo good to be able to add cinnamon with the other spices  :)

I don't know my secretor status yet, but I'll take then test next month, when I'll also be testing my seven year old son's BT.

Let me know how you get on?

Loraine
Posted by: 1035 (Guest), Monday, January 7, 2008, 11:57am; Reply: 147
I have been doing the gatherer diet for about 4 days now and I have lost 4 pounds and I am eating all the time...I didn't seem to have the same results on the BTD...hope this continues...will keep you posted!
Posted by: lakes-lady68, Monday, January 7, 2008, 12:02pm; Reply: 148
Wow Lori, that's fantastic.   Well done you!    ;D
Posted by: Brighid45, Monday, January 7, 2008, 12:44pm; Reply: 149
Welcome all new Gatherers! It's so interesting to see the range of body types within the clan.

I'm taking it easy on grains also, since I'm starch-sensitive. I have noticed that the millet-oat-flaxseed bread I made is not giving me bloated tummy/rumbly stomach/brain fog, somewhat surprising but very pleasant! Still, I'll be cautious and add in grains very sparingly at first.
Posted by: 178 (Guest), Monday, January 7, 2008, 4:46pm; Reply: 150
Quoted from lakes-lady68
I'm making an indian rice pudding (with almond milk and almond paste mixed into the basmati rice), and it's soooo good to be able to add cinnamon with the other spices  :)

Loraine



That sounds wonderful! (drool)
Would you mind sharing the recipe? Thanks!

(sunny)
Posted by: Brighid45, Monday, January 7, 2008, 8:09pm; Reply: 151
I'll second that! Share please? :)
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Monday, January 7, 2008, 8:20pm; Reply: 152
Quoted from 1035
I have been doing the gatherer diet for about 4 days now and I have lost 4 pounds and I am eating all the time...I didn't seem to have the same results on the BTD...hope this continues...will keep you posted!


Lori, that's wonderful!  Keep us posted. (sunny)
Posted by: Lisalea, Monday, January 7, 2008, 9:24pm; Reply: 153
Quoted from 1035
I have been doing the gatherer diet for about 4 days now and I have lost 4 pounds and I am eating all the time...I didn't seem to have the same results on the BTD...hope this continues...will keep you posted!


Wow, that's amazing !! ... such positive feedback ... hope it continues !!!  :K) ;D :P ;) :)
Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 12:22am; Reply: 154
Lori, what are you doing? Actually following the diet??  OMG, what a radical idea!! lol!!  ;D ;D
awesome results...inspiring.
Posted by: AmyH, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 3:27am; Reply: 155
I too am complying almost 100%, have lost a few lbs and feel amazing. I tried Mana bread for the first time in ages the other day. Toasted it up nice and crispy, it was heaven. Best of all no neg effects. Yeah!

I really thought I'd miss some of my old type 0+non beneficials, but the new superfoods are quickly becoming favorites.

Glad to be here amognst other gatherers, gathering new info, and gathering new ideas!
Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 5:32pm; Reply: 156
Quoted from AmyH
I too am complying almost 100%, have lost a few lbs and feel amazing. I tried Mana bread for the first time in ages the other day. Toasted it up nice and crispy, it was heaven. Best of all no neg effects. Yeah!

I really thought I'd miss some of my old type 0+non beneficials, but the new superfoods are quickly becoming favorites.

Glad to be here amognst other gatherers, gathering new info, and gathering new ideas!


U can toast manna bread ???!!!  :o :o :o
I was under the impression that it was a live food, hence couldn't stay on the countertop (room temperature)  for more than an hour and had to be eaten in it's natural state ... ??)

Posted by: Mary M., Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 8:47pm; Reply: 157
Quoted from Lisalea


U can toast manna bread ???!!!  :o :o :o
I was under the impression that it was a live food, hence couldn't stay on the countertop (room temperature)  for more than an hour and had to be eaten in it's natural state ... ??)



Hi Lisalea,
The manna bread is very good toasted under the broiler. It is raw before it is toasted but Dr. D. doesn't frown on cooking food. At least that is my assumption since I do cook asparagus, yams, zucchini, etc.

Cordially,
Margaret
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 8:50pm; Reply: 158
Quoted from jayneeo
Lori, what are you doing? Actually following the diet??  OMG, what a radical idea!! lol!!  ;D ;D
awesome results...inspiring.

Hey, guess what?  According to the dog scale (!) at the vet's, I have lost 23 lbs since "buckling down" on the BTD a while back--and now, just think, with the GTD:  notches unknown!

Posted by: lakes-lady68, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 9:05pm; Reply: 159
Quoted from 178



That sounds wonderful! (drool)
Would you mind sharing the recipe? Thanks!

(sunny)


Hi everyone
here it goes:

Almond Rice Pudding (Indian Rice Pudding)

150g of basmati rice, white or brown
1.5L of milk, I used almond, but whichever you prefer
agave syrup to taste, or stevia
1 tsp cinnamon
1 tsp ground fennel seeds
1 tsp ghee or oil
2 tbspn almond paste

melt the ghee and cook the rice in it gently for five mins to coat the rice.
then add the milk (I used almond milk and added the 'meal' from when I made the milk at this point), heat up and cook on a low heat for an hour.
now ladies and gents, you MUST keep an eye on it and stir it regularly cos it sticks like nothing on earth when it's in the last 20 mins of cooking.  

The rice cooks down into the thickened milk until you can't tell it's rice anymore mmmmm, the nut paste goes in and cook very gently for another ten mins, add the spices and sweetener to suit your taste.   I either chill to eat later (yeah right) or eat warm - I loved it!

Hope you like it.  Play around with the spices
Posted by: 178 (Guest), Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 9:59pm; Reply: 160
Thank you so much! Looks fabulous! (woot)

Two little questions:
Approx how much agave did you use, and what is almond paste? Is it marzipan? I'd have thought that might be a little hard to mix into the, erm, mix. I've got to try this at the weekend!   8)
Posted by: AmyH, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 11:05pm; Reply: 161
Quoted from Lisalea


U can toast manna bread ???!!!  :o :o :o
I was under the impression that it was a live food, hence couldn't stay on the countertop (room temperature)  for more than an hour and had to be eaten in it's natural state ... ??)



I have that Manna Bread is listed under Carbohydrates. I get it in the Freezer at the HFS and put it in my fridge and my family usually eats it within a few days.

I'm assuming that all the other foods in that catagory are able to be cooked, so guessing so should the bread??
Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 11:32pm; Reply: 162
P.T....fantastic!! You've lost 23 lbs? Really great! (the dog scale!!lol)
Posted by: meribelle, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 1:31am; Reply: 163
Quoted from 9
I am a gatherer too.  I made the flax bread the other day.  Very good, but freaked me out when I figured all the calories. It also made my stomach very grumbly... millet, brown basmati rice and barley did also.  My body does not like grains in any way.  After I eat them I feel sluggish and hungry again soon after, not to mention the bathroom problems. Is anyone else carb sensitive?

Norma


I ate Ezekiel bread for lunch back when I was an O nonnie and I about went to sleep.  I love carbs, but they but me to sleep in a bad way.  
Posted by: meribelle, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 2:00am; Reply: 164
Ezekiel bread is sprouted wheat, right?  So that means Gatherers cannot eat it, right again?

I tasted cottage cheese today.  It did not kill me.  

I could not find canned peaches in the grocery that did not have sugar, so I bought Gerber baby peaches.  I love pureed food anyway, and I can mix it with cottage cheese for a quick snack.

People at work think I am crazy because I am changing what foods I can and cannot eat.  Oh well, I cannot explain it, except to say that Dr. D has done more research and now these are better choices.  How does that sound?
Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 2:30am; Reply: 165
sounds ok....how bout: science doesn't stand still....new research, tweak your diet.
I, for one, think that that shows scientific integrity....
and it is paying off for me.....(I'll say more in another thread)
Posted by: accidental_chef, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 3:33am; Reply: 166
Quoted from lakes-lady68


Hi everyone
here it goes:

Almond Rice Pudding (Indian Rice Pudding)

150g of basmati rice, white or brown
1.5L of milk, I used almond, but whichever you prefer
agave syrup to taste, or stevia
1 tsp cinnamon
1 tsp ground fennel seeds
1 tsp ghee or oil
2 tbspn almond paste

melt the ghee and cook the rice in it gently for five mins to coat the rice.
then add the milk (I used almond milk and added the 'meal' from when I made the milk at this point), heat up and cook on a low heat for an hour.
now ladies and gents, you MUST keep an eye on it and stir it regularly cos it sticks like nothing on earth when it's in the last 20 mins of cooking.  

The rice cooks down into the thickened milk until you can't tell it's rice anymore mmmmm, the nut paste goes in and cook very gently for another ten mins, add the spices and sweetener to suit your taste.   I either chill to eat later (yeah right) or eat warm - I loved it!

Hope you like it.  Play around with the spices


Erm... :Bsorry :B...but cinnamon is never added to sweet rice pudding. It's usually cardamom. Cinnamon is a meat tendarizer...and usually used in savoury dishes.
Posted by: Gumby, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 4:40am; Reply: 167
That's interesting, accidental chef!  Here in North America, cinnamon is much more commonly associated with desserts and baked goods and sweet things than with savoury dishes.  We use it in savoury too...but not as much.
Posted by: Curious, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 5:06am; Reply: 168
I add cinnamon to my rice porridge. It tastes great!
Posted by: accidental_chef, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 5:11am; Reply: 169
Quoted from Gumby
That's interesting, accidental chef!  Here in North America, cinnamon is much more commonly associated with desserts and baked goods and sweet things than with savoury dishes.  We use it in savoury too...but not as much.


Yes Gumby, I agree with you. It's a little quirk of Indian desserts to have cinnamon :)If you have an opportunity to use carmamom instead of cinnamon for Indian sweet dishes you'll really taste the difference.

Clove, cinnamon, fennel etc are spices which are normally *associated* with non veg dishes, in India. So much so that older generation Orthodox Hindus will not eat vegetarian dishes like veg kurma/korma and veg biriyani/pilaf coz these spices are used.

Yes...interesting indeed!
Posted by: meribelle, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 11:16am; Reply: 170
Quoted from jayneeo
sounds ok....how bout: science doesn't stand still....new research, tweak your diet.
I, for one, think that that shows scientific integrity....
and it is paying off for me.....(I'll say more in another thread)


I can't wait to hear what you have to say.  I look forward to hearing from other gatherers because it gives me support both emotionally and physically.
Posted by: lakes-lady68, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 11:24am; Reply: 171
Quoted from 178
Thank you so much! Looks fabulous! (woot)

Two little questions:
Approx how much agave did you use, and what is almond paste? Is it marzipan? I'd have thought that might be a little hard to mix into the, erm, mix. I've got to try this at the weekend!   8)


Hi Rochelle,

I ground some almonds in a pestle and mortar to make a smooth paste, like a nut butter I suppose, but less sticky.  

I used a dessertspoon of agave, but again that's down to taste, I was in dire need of something sweet and comforting lol.

Hope you enjoy it.

Loraine
Posted by: lakes-lady68, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 11:29am; Reply: 172
Hi, I swap between Green Cardamom seeds and Cinnamon, depending on my mood, both are delicious.  But Cinnamon is a diamond food so it won on this occasion.   Go with whichever you like best.

The cooking method is based on indian rice pudding but as for flavour you can go mad and add what you like, I sometimes add flaked almonds for the last ten mins of cooking, and at a friends house they decorated it with gold leaf, dried fruit and flaked nuts.   Looks fabulous and tastes it too.

I just love the texture, it's like a warm hug  ;D
Posted by: Brighid45, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 5:38pm; Reply: 173
When we get more basmati rice this weekend, I'm going to make this recipe. It just sounds too good!

Cardamom does give a totally different flavor, I agree. It's not as warm and 'sweet' as cinnamon, but very aromatic and deliciously spicy in its own way. I would happily use either spice in this pudding.

Interesting information about the Indian use of spices in non-vegetarian dishes, accidental chef. Thanks for sharing that with us. I've just found a new Indian restaurant not too far from us here, and haven't had a chance to talk much with the manager or the wait staff, so this knowledge will come in handy when asking questions. :)
Posted by: JoanneO, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 7:29pm; Reply: 174
So, all that is keeping me from being a Hunter is lots of adrenaline and long index fingers?   Bummmer.  I must have remeasured myself a dozen times and no matter how I push the fingers around, the index are longer on both hands and I can't claim hair tigger reactions on adrenaline.  It looks like long or short torso and long or short leg bones don't matter much it's those index fingers and being O that really determine Hunter status.  Oh, well  gather I must.  
I do like the cottege cheese back and chocolate.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 7:34pm; Reply: 175
Quoted from Mercedes
...I am a gatherer, right?  I'm Not happy... I LOVE beef... now Turkey is better for me than beef. This genotype stuff is CRAZY

Take heart!  Number one, beef is a neutral that you may eat freely.  But secondly and more importantly, bison (buffalo) is a superfood.  Last night, I made ground bison, green beans, chunky marinara, pesto, ...that's it, but I should have thrown in some onion and once I run out of frozen pre-GTD veggies, I will use a superfood live food v. the green beans, which are neutral, such as asparagus, bell pepper, or turnip greens.  ANYWAY, this turned out so fabulously, you can't believe it.  The bison is basically just like beef, only a little leaner.  Try it, you'll love it!

Posted by: lakes-lady68, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 7:38pm; Reply: 176
I'm with you on that one, I missed chocolate and cheese mmmmmm
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 7:39pm; Reply: 177
Quoted from Mercedes
I'm really reeling from the no banana bit.

Yeah, that one IS a major blow.  A smoothie without banana?  Surely you jest.  They add such a creaminess and tropical flare.  That said, now that we CAN have ricotta cheese (I am one of the artists previously known as O, as in, virtually all dairy VERBOTEN), maybe we could experiment with ricotta in our smoothies for creaminess instead of banana, and for that tropical flare, we can go with pineapple, guava or papaya?

I think it is a matter of getting used to things.

...Still, granted, banana is a blow.  That one stings.

Posted by: lakes-lady68, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 7:45pm; Reply: 178
I am missing the bananas, I used to eat two or three a day, in my morning smoothie with apple & mango juice mixed with soy yogurt.  Gatherer poison lol
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 7:47pm; Reply: 179
Quoted from HarmonyKitty


Oh, but if I turn out to be a Nomad, it seems like chicken is allowable????  I don't know if I'm brave enough to try it!  But maybe I'm a gatherer too and we can convince said HFS to come up with a curried TURKEY walnut salad!  :)

*Chuckle*  As I am reading this in what was the future when you wrote it (whoa--did that make sense?), I know that you are indeed a Nomad.  If I were a B Nomad, I think I would still eschew chicken.  This is the type of question that makes me wish I could afford the genotypediet.com site, as I wonder if, if one has BTD-specific knowledge about your own type and a specific food with a classic lectin contraindication, would that trump the GTD designation?  Because, thing is, both B's and O's can be Gatherers.  So perhaps he black-dotted chicken because really O's can have it but B's shouldn't, so he split the difference?  And similarly, maybe really us O Gatherers shouldn't have cottage cheese, but he had to throw you B Gatherers a dairy bone so your systems wouldn't be too sad over the long haul?  I would LOVE to ask such things!  Then again, maybe we should just ACCEPT our genotype diet as a whole entity and just all of us Gatherers, for example, whether O or B, embrace cottage cheese (DONE!) and eschew chicken (done for the moment, yet questioning it, as you can see *lol*).

I don't know, girl.  I know I plan to keep enjoying cottage cheese again.  But then again, I never did strictly adhere to the dairy avoids, although for some reason I never bought cottage cheese.  But B's and chicken, that thar was and is a lectin issue...so I just don't know what to tell ya.  I would stick to turkey all the way, if I were you.  How can you go wrong, with it being a superfood?  I will stick to it, too, even though on Jeopardy last night there was a question that said turkey is a member of the vulture family and, quote, "also enjoys carrion".  Eeeeeew, that put me off my feed, for some reason!

;D

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 7:48pm; Reply: 180
Quoted from Victoria


Mercedes,
It can be a confusing transition when you have gotten established in a system that is working for you.  No doubt, the BTD is powerful and healing, and I think you should continue with your current path if you are more comfortable with that approach.

The Genotype diet is just the next evolutionary step in further refining the individualized path.  It is not required that you make a change if you like the results you are getting from your present eating plan.

Great post, Victoria.  I tried to say the same thing earlier today in a post that got vaporized when our internet connection went down.  I thought my post was so brilliant and thus I was so sad that it was lost.  Yet now that I read yours, I realize that it says the same thing, more eloquently, and MUCH more succinctly!  Brava!

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 7:56pm; Reply: 181
Quoted from jayneeo
we use the words interchangeably, but shouldn't...they are different. Garnet yams are sweet potatoes

Okay, TOTAL bummer, maaaaaaaaaan.  Yet thanks for the 411.  I thought they were sweet potatoes, but was hoping against hope that they are really yams afterall.

:(

Well, at least they are a black dot.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 7:58pm; Reply: 182
Quoted from Whimsical
So who else is thrilled to have eggs as superfoods?

Hello!  Totally versatile food, high in quality protein and vitamin K, and looooow in PRICE (as are many foods on our Gatherer superfood list, I have been noticing with glee).  What's not to love?!

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 8:07pm; Reply: 183
Quoted from Chris


Wow, PT, I can relate.

Although, I've been meaning to try just cocoa to see if it's any different by itself.  Who knows, might be just as nasty.

Pure cocoa ain't bad.  But is that the same thing as "chocolate"?  I don't see cocoa listed as a superfood or an avoid, so is it neutral or is it a superfood like chocolate?  Me wonders...  Another thing that ain't bad is unsweetened chocolate, like baker's chocolate.  But then again, I'm weird.  Still, I have been thinking about TRYING--and not now, in the future, once I psych myself up for it somehow--some homemade, superfood hot chocolate, maybe with unsweetened chocolate, agave nectar, cinnamon?  But I dunno.  I'll have to give that one some thought.  I never did mind hot chocolate as much as I mind things like chocolate bars, fudge, chocolate cake, etc.  My prob seems to be with the combo of extreme fat and extreme sweetness.  Don't get me wrong, I am all about extreme fat, but it must be SALTY, not sweet.  Example:  While I LOVE sour cream (salted and/or with something salty such as POTATO CHIPS), I hate, and do not even see the point of, whipped cream.  What is the point of it?  Eeeeeew.

I've said this many times:  chocolate, by itself, is not a bad flavor.  On the contrary, it is complex, rich, interesting.  But it is always wrecked up by the fat and sugar with it.  Even just with sugar but no fat, I can handle it (hence I did used to have hot chocolate every so often as a kid, from one of those totally horrifying mixes like Nestle, which I think is just chocolate flavoring (maybe with some real cocoa) and sugar.  Not much fat in there.

Anyway...whatever.  The whole chocolate-as-superfood thing is weird, wild and wacky.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 8:11pm; Reply: 184
Quoted from Lisalea
U ro so very funny Peppytwist  ;) ;) ;) :K) ;D :P ;) :)



(woot)  Why, thank you!  I try!
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 8:16pm; Reply: 185
Quoted from Melissa_J
Anybody notice that the only green teas that are beneficial are kombucha and kukicha?

I'll tell ya what I did notice:  Upon trying the kukicha tea made by the same company that makes my beloved Hojicha roasted green (NOT a superfood--why, why, why, Lord?), I am thrilled to report that I have been wrong about something all these years:  there really IS something out there that tastes like coffee!  Kukicha tea really is coffee-esque!  I LOVE it!  I love it a little too much and, between it and rediscovering my beloved Twinings BLACK Earl Grey, I must constantly remind myself:  you only allow yourself a max of TWO black and/or green (two TOTAL) tea bags per day!  Otherwise you get withdrawal headaches on the weekends!  ...See, things like that make me still have a nagging wondering as to if I could possibly be an Explorer.  I simply MUST do the measurements soon.  But I digress.  Kukicha tea is FABULOUS if you miss coffee and/or like a REALLY strong, rich tea.  WOW.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 8:18pm; Reply: 186
Quoted from Whimsical
Oh, I read that to mean that green tea is beneficial, including kukicha which is made from the bark and stems of the tea plant.  I notice that for some other types the listing says "Tea, green, kukicha, bancha", which makes it seem like if there is a comma, it is part of a list?

Oooooooooh:  LOVING that take on the list!!!  That makes sense!  Thus maybe my Hojicha roasted green, made from the twigs and stems, IS a superfood afterall?  Hmm!  At any rate, it is at least a neutral that one can enjoy to one's heart's content.  But now that I've discovered the kukicha...I dunno.  I may have a new love!  Sorry, Hojicha...it's not you, it's me.

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 8:20pm; Reply: 187
Quoted from 1323
I've got Chocolate Kisses listed as a snack for Wed!!!

wow....

Sorry to be a buzz kill, but if you mean Hershey's chocolate kisses, those have sugar added and thus would be a toxin to avoid.  You would have to make your own chocolate sweetened with (gulp) veg glyc. or agave nectar...or stevia, if that would work.

Sorry!

Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 8:21pm; Reply: 188
P.T. You might have to make turkey mole with your chocolate. Its not sweet, just an ingredient in a rich, nutty chili sauce. There're lots of recipes on the net....each cook kind of does it his or her own way. (it also ain't lo cal)
Posted by: Mercedes, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 8:25pm; Reply: 189
Twist- whipping cream ew???? Are you crazy??? Whipping cream whipped up with DARK agave nectar and some vanilla? Paradise on a spoon...

Put that on top of some pineapple, mango, carrot juice jello (heat juice, mix with gelatin, set, ta-da!) heavenly!!

However, I do prefer sweet to salty. AND, I didn't see cream listed on the gatherer list at all... I'm thinking it's a typo or I'm blind, but might ride it out as a neutral for a while ;)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 8:25pm; Reply: 190
Quoted from 1323
Hi there... you don't have to eat cottage cheese! I'm certainly not going to eat Asparagas!  I HATE it!!!

See, I don't even think I'm human, let alone a member of any human genotype.  Case in point:  How can so many people love chocolate, yet hate asparagus, one of the most divine foods EVER?

Weird.  Wild.  Wacky.

Asparagus rules!!!!!!!

Well, here's what we'll do:  At any Gatherer and/or Genotype Diet gatherings (Gatherer gathering?), I will trade you all my chocolate for all your asparagus, and we'll both be happy!
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 8:28pm; Reply: 191
Quoted from Mercedes
Twist- whipping cream ew???? Are you crazy??? Whipping cream whipped up with DARK agave nectar and some vanilla? Paradise on a spoon...

Okay, see, now, I'm glad you posted this:  this is another example of why I constantly question if I am truly human:  most of your true humans seem to LOVE whipped cream.  Personally, I could never understand why someone would take a perfectly perfect dish of, say, FRESH, beautiful, awesome strawberries, and douse them in COOL WHIP!  Why, why, why?  Oh, the horror.

What is the point of that stuff, even the "good stuff", i.e., pure whipped cream?  It is just added poofy calories and sugar, far as I can tell.

But now, sour cream.  Aaaaah, THAT is the ticket.  You get you some pure sour cream, some Kettle potato chips and, well..."no one is available to take your call, please leave a message."

On the other hand...while I HATE plain chocolate cake, and also chocolate cake with whipped cream, if you add some vanilla ICE CREAM to chocolate cake, it isn't that it would tempt me, but if forced to eat it, it wouldn't totaly s*ck.

Still, I'd MUCH rather have asparagus!!!!

"I'm a complex guy, sweetheart."  - Sawyer, from LOST -
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 8:37pm; Reply: 192
Quoted from jayneeo
P.T....fantastic!! You've lost 23 lbs? Really great! (the dog scale!!lol)

I think so...only problem is, that scale usually comes in much lower than the poopy one at work, and the GOOD one at work was taken away, allegedly to be replaced by a new one, yet according to the head of maintenance, whom I keep asking about it, they are having massive "calibration problems" with it and are currently in talks with the manufacturer or something, so meanwhile, I'm going with the dog scale.  The gals at the vet's office insist it is accurate.  I am so psyched about the 23-lb loss.  Thanks for the pat on the back, Jayney!

Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 8:41pm; Reply: 193
Peppermint,

On the Ricotta:  I thought about you when I was reading about the ricotta and gatherers.  You have mentioned many times about wanting to drink more smoothies, and I have also noticed that you might have a tendency to neglect eating a healthy breakfast. :-)  So I thought that a ricotta/super fruit smoothie might be a wonderful thing for you.

Cocoa:  Unless someone has read something to the contrary, I don't see any reason why cocoa would not be considered chocolate.  It is, after all, just fat-free chocolate.  It's easy to incorporate into other foods, adding a rich and mysterious flavor.

Kukicha:  It has much less caffeine than other forms of green tea, and I agree with you that it is more coffee-like than even Hojicha.  I'm glad you have given it a try.  You might find that you have less withdrawals from drinking it than you did on the roasted green.  (Of course, now that black Earl Grey is back in the picture, all bets are off!)  :-)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 8:48pm; Reply: 194
Quoted from jayneeo
P.T. You might have to make turkey mole with your chocolate. Its not sweet, just an ingredient in a rich, nutty chili sauce. There're lots of recipes on the net....each cook kind of does it his or her own way. (it also ain't lo cal)

I've always been intrigued by, and wanted to try, mole.  Ever since I first heard of it by watching "The Frugal Gourmet", years ago.  I think it was on "the Frug" that I heard that...or was that the chicken dish he made using Coca-Cola in the sauce?  Anyway, suffice it to say that on some cooking show or another, I heard of the mole and have been intrigued by it ever since.  Finally:  a savory use of chocolate!  That would be a great way to incorporate the superfood of chocolate into your Gatherer diet, if you are a pup like me who doesn't really like sweets, let alone chocolate incorporated into them.  I'd rather go for a savory use.

It would also be okay in trail mix, if you could find a chip without sugar added.  I always found chocolate chips in trail mix to be an unnecessary intrusion into an otherwise fabulous trail mix...yet tolerable and somewhat interesting at times.  Now that it is a superfood for me, there would be a logic to adding it.

Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 9:02pm; Reply: 195
Twisty a little bakers chocolate or cocoa powder added at the end used to be one of my secret ingredients in making chili. Of course the other one was beer! Still don't know if I'll go back to drinking it since it is now a Nomad diamond beverage. It's been about 8 years. Of course now that beer is in chocolate is out!
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 9:08pm; Reply: 196
Quoted from Victoria
Peppermint,

On the Ricotta:  I thought about you when I was reading about the ricotta and gatherers.  You have mentioned many times about wanting to drink more smoothies, and I have also noticed that you might have a tendency to neglect eating a healthy breakfast. :-)  So I thought that a ricotta/super fruit smoothie might be a wonderful thing for you.

Exactly, I posted a similar thought earlier in another thread (or was it this thread...our internet connection keeps going down and I'm terribly confusigated!).  All the creaminess of the banana in the smoothie, yet none of the sugar, AND some added protein and calcium.  Wee!
Quoted Text
Cocoa:  Unless someone has read something to the contrary, I don't see any reason why cocoa would not be considered chocolate.  It is, after all, just fat-free chocolate.

Yeah, which I think is why I like it so much more than chocolate.  It is something about the combo of such rich fat with such intense sugar in chocolate that repulses me, not to put too fine a point on it.
Quoted Text
Kukicha:  It has much less caffeine than other forms of green tea, and I agree with you that it is more coffee-like than even Hojicha.  I'm glad you have given it a try.  You might find that you have less withdrawals from drinking it than you did on the roasted green.  (Of course, now that black Earl Grey is back in the picture, all bets are off!)  :-)

Oh, you got that straight.  Earl Grey!

Let me hurry and post this before our connection is lost again:  aaaand, POST!
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 9:09pm; Reply: 197
Quoted from gulfcoastguy
Twisty a little bakers chocolate or cocoa powder added at the end used to be one of my secret ingredients in making chili. Of course the other one was beer! Still don't know if I'll go back to drinking it since it is now a Nomad diamond beverage. It's been about 8 years. Of course now that beer is in chocolate is out!

Somehow, chili with a dab of chocolate and some beer added sounds very WONDERFUL right about now!

What time is dinner, gcg?

Posted by: 260 (Guest), Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 9:51pm; Reply: 198
ok i'm soooo confused...i was sure i was a nomad..now i got back my secretor status..and well i'm a nonsecretor!!! deep down i knew it but this makes me a gatherer then..and i have none of the characteristics?? so confused..so i'm remeasuring..a couple questions..for the lower leg measurement do I  measure up to the top of the bump on the outer knee or the bottom of the bump and the upper leg..the inner thigh crease or more towards the outer crease..i have so many of the nomad characteristics that now i need to be positive of my measurements
Posted by: 260 (Guest), Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 11:51pm; Reply: 199
well i read up on the measurements and i measure out as a gatherer..but what has me confused is I'm most definitely am an ectomorph..i've always had a very tiny frame..and I'm 5'9"..my upper leg is shorter than my lower..I don't even fit biometrics one bit...and I strength test for the nomad so high...I have white lines through my fingerprints...I have more than 8 ulnar loops fingerprint patterns ...I'm tall etc...deep breath...I'm obviously having a hard time accepting this.. :-/...I'm just a little worried about going with the gatherer now and really being a nomad..well I suppose I'll just have to see if I feel better..(positive thinking-I will feel better!!) eeek ??)
Posted by: Brighid45, Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 11:55pm; Reply: 200
You can indeed make a chocolate mole sauce. Unsweetened chocolate and chilis are a match made in heaven. Since chicken is out for us as of right now, you could try it over turkey.

As for whipped cream, do NOT even mention that garbage known as 'cool whip' in the same breath as real whipped cream. Cool Whip is one step away from being plastic--literally. Nasty horrible disgusting stuff. Real whipped cream, when made properly, is not fluffy tasteless calories. It's dense, rich, and subtle in flavor. I wouldn't want it all the time, but now and then it's delicious. I posted a recipe using cream and soft sharp cheese in the 'cooking with oat flour' thread. As anyone who has ever had cranachan knows, real whipped cream paired with crowdie (a type of soft savory cheese), fresh raspberries, toasted oats, a bit of malt whiskey and honey--food of the gods! :)
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 12:08am; Reply: 201
OMG!! Brighid, when my DH hears about that dish he will go ape! It sounds so good. I will go to that thread....now.
Posted by: Brighid45, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 12:15am; Reply: 202
It's delicious, believe me. Calories galore, but it's so rich you don't want much! And though it sounds strange, it's the oats that really make it taste so good.

And now that I'm a Gatherer, I can have it again! The Scots in me is doing a dance of utter joy, I can tell you. :)
Posted by: Lisalea, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 12:34am; Reply: 203
Quoted from 260
well i read up on the measurements and i measure out as a gatherer..but what has me confused is I'm most definitely am an ectomorph..i've always had a very tiny frame..and I'm 5'9"..my upper leg is shorter than my lower..I don't even fit biometrics one bit...and I strength test for the nomad so high...I have white lines through my fingerprints...I have more than 8 ulnar loops fingerprint patterns ...I'm tall etc...deep breath...I'm obviously having a hard time accepting this.. :-/...I'm just a little worried about going with the gatherer now and really being a nomad..well I suppose I'll just have to see if I feel better..(positive thinking-I will feel better!!) eeek ??)


Hi mm134684,
R u a B+ or a B- ??
If ur index fingers r longer than ur ring fingers perhaps u still have the chance of being a Nomad ??

I really wish it for u  :K) ;D :P ;) :)
Posted by: 260 (Guest), Thursday, January 10, 2008, 12:54am; Reply: 204
aw thanks lisalea..I'm B+..and my index and ring fingers are exactly the same..so I believe my index fingers win...and my torso is longer than my legs..but I'm pretty sure my lower leg is longer than my upper..and even if they are tied i think it still goes to the lower...I'm just afraid of being wrong..but I'm accepting that I'm a gatherer for now and hopefully I'll see an improvement..I guess how I feel will help determine if I'm right  :)
Posted by: 260 (Guest), Thursday, January 10, 2008, 1:58am; Reply: 205
has anyone found a compliant gatherer tomato sauce?
Posted by: Mercedes, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 2:12am; Reply: 206
for spaghetti sauce, I use safeway brand. It's tomato, salt, and "spices". Ok, perhaps it's not perfect. But it doesn't have sugar, corn starch or syrup, or the rest. I then just add my own bell pepper, oregano, basil, parsely, marjoram, garlic and onion mix...

Hypothetically, you could use tomato paste (easily available and avoid free) add water and crushed tomato and your own combination of the above mentioned spices. (Plus white pepper is neutral, I think, but I don't add it myself)
Posted by: Melissa_J, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 2:57am; Reply: 207
So you figured out the leg measurements?  The video is helpful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olnmUUVuVMA

I had my doubts as well, though not as many doubts as some of the gatherers who are super thin and tall (I'm not that tall, nor thin, but my waist/hip ratio is always good).  I have the white lines aplenty, and many Hunter problems, but I'm happy to be a gatherer, and it's working well for me.
Posted by: Lisalea, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 4:09am; Reply: 208
Quoted from 260
aw thanks lisalea..I'm B+..and my index and ring fingers are exactly the same..so I believe my index fingers win...and my torso is longer than my legs..but I'm pretty sure my lower leg is longer than my upper..and even if they are tied i think it still goes to the lower...I'm just afraid of being wrong..but I'm accepting that I'm a gatherer for now and hopefully I'll see an improvement..I guess how I feel will help determine if I'm right  :)


Hi again,
U're welcome  ;D

I was wondering .. how did u know deep down that u're a non secretor ??

Keep thinking positive and let's stick together 'cause I'm in the same boat ... sigh ... between Gatherer and Nomad; however, according to my measurements I'm leaning towards a Nomad until I too do my secretor test :-/

Cheers  :K) ;D ;) :)
Posted by: meribelle, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 11:39am; Reply: 209
Quoted from lakes-lady68


Hi Rochelle,

I ground some almonds in a pestle and mortar to make a smooth paste, like a nut butter I suppose, but less sticky.  

I used a dessertspoon of agave, but again that's down to taste, I was in dire need of something sweet and comforting lol.

Hope you enjoy it.

Loraine


What a good idea.  I can make a little at a time.  Thanks.
Posted by: meribelle, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 11:41am; Reply: 210
Quoted from JoanneO
I do like the cottege cheese back and chocolate.


But how do we get chocolate without sugar?
Posted by: Curious, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 11:43am; Reply: 211
Quoted from meribelle
But how do we get chocolate without sugar?

I buy chocolate powder (there is nothing added to it). It is organic and comes from Peru.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 3:01pm; Reply: 212
Quoted from 260
well i read up on the measurements and i measure out as a gatherer..but what has me confused is I'm most definitely am an ectomorph..i've always had a very tiny frame..and I'm 5'9"..my upper leg is shorter than my lower..I don't even fit biometrics one bit...and I strength test for the nomad so high...I have white lines through my fingerprints...I have more than 8 ulnar loops fingerprint patterns ...I'm tall etc...deep breath...I'm obviously having a hard time accepting this.. :-/...I'm just a little worried about going with the gatherer now and really being a nomad..well I suppose I'll just have to see if I feel better..(positive thinking-I will feel better!!) eeek ??)

Oh, man.  That sounds like a somewhat tricky case.  Are you a member of genotypediet.com?  If so, and you post your questions there, maybe someone really knowledgeable like, ideally, Dr. D., or one of the other support people there will be able to help you determine your correct genotype.

It certainly does sound strange that you typed out as G2 (Gatherer), yet you are clearly an ectomorph.

I don't know what to tell you, other than Dr. D. did say (in the book or somewhere) that your type is your type and basically, if you use the calculators, it can't come out wrong and you can't really be a hybrid of two or more types.

Still...I can see why you are wondering.  Ideally, you could ask on genotypediet.com.  Good luck!!!

edited to add:  Don't worry.  You will get it figured out one way or the other.  It just may take a while and some help, but you will figure out your type.

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 3:16pm; Reply: 213
Quoted from Brighid45
You can indeed make a chocolate mole sauce. Unsweetened chocolate and chilis are a match made in heaven. Since chicken is out for us as of right now, you could try it over turkey.

What's wrong with my new love, ground bison?  I could make (or a good cook could, anyway *lol*) a bison chili with chocolate in the chili sauce, no?  But you are saying that the mole is a different sauce altogether and traditionally served over chicken, so why not use turkey, right?  Gotcha (I think).

I find I'm starting to question the chicken thing for O G2's a bit.  I think (and I am basing this purely on my own twisty speculation) that maybe Dr. D. black-dotted chicken as opposed to it being neutral because G2's can be O's or B's, and while chicken is (or was, in ancient BTD times) a neutral for O's, it was a clear-n-classic BTD avoid for B's.  So why should us O's suffer a chicken-free existence now just because some B's have horned in our our G2 type?  Those darn B's!   ;)  :K)

Seriously, I don't want to give up chicken!  I'm not saying it should be a mainstay for an O on either the BTD or the GTD, but, dang it, I like it and it was neutral before and I have my theory of why it is black-dotted now and according to my theory, the black dot doesn't apply to ME.  I'm special!   ;D
Quoted from Brighid45
As for whipped cream, do NOT even mention that garbage known as 'cool whip' in the same breath as real whipped cream. Cool Whip is one step away from being plastic--literally.

So true.  Cool Whip is a faux food.  Real whipped cream is leagues better...yet still a pointless load of sugary fluff!
Quoted from Brighid45
Real whipped cream, when made properly, is not fluffy tasteless calories. It's dense, rich, and subtle in flavor.

::) Yeah, it's subtle all right.  So subtle that one must ask oneself:  what is the POINT?  Wouldn't I rather taste the pure, unadulterated strawberries or ice cream or pie or whatever this pure whipped cream is sitting on top of?  Why do I need this distraction?
Quoted from Brighid45
I wouldn't want it all the time, but now and then it's delicious.

Well, we are twins but fraternal, not identical.   ;)
Quoted from Brighid45
I posted a recipe using cream and soft sharp cheese in the 'cooking with oat flour' thread. As anyone who has ever had cranachan knows, real whipped cream paired with crowdie (a type of soft savory cheese), fresh raspberries, toasted oats, a bit of malt whiskey and honey--food of the gods! :)

Well, enjoy, and pass me the chips and sour cream dip, please!  Sour cream!  Now there is a cream with a point to it!  Anything you put it on can only be improved, be it chips, gcg's chili, nachos (omg, I'm getting into pre-BTD mode here--stop the madness *lol*), or whatever.

But whipped cream just seems like a pointless fluff addition to me.

And I HAVE had the pure, homemade stuff on fresh strawberries and I just thought:  WHY?  Why mask the strawberries in all this "white noise"?

...Yeah, I know:  I'm weird.  I freely accept that designation at this point in my life.

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 3:43pm; Reply: 214
Quoted from Curious
I buy chocolate powder (there is nothing added to it). It is organic and comes from Peru.

Okay, this is quite possibly a very stupid Q, but is there a diff between cocoa powder and chocolate powder?  If so, I would be interested in a brand name for that chocolate powder.  Thanks in advance!

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 3:53pm; Reply: 215
Quoted from Victoria
Kukicha:  It has much less caffeine than other forms of green tea...

Victoria, you are right!  This surprises me because it is even stronger than the Hojicha roasted green, or at least as strong and rich.  But I just checked Great Eastern Sun company's helpful caffeine comparison chart and, sure enough, the Hojicha roasted green has 9 mg per serving, while the Kukicha only has 7 mg!  This ROCKS!  Thank you for that information, I wouldn't have thunk it!  Perhaps I can occasionally sneak in a third bag of tea per day.*  Here's the comparison chart:

http://www.great-eastern-sun.com/shopnew/haikuteas.html

* wrong:  I just realized that adding the Twinings Earl Grey back into the picture has probably added a ton of caffeine back in *sigh*.  I mean, look on that chart at how much caffeine another brand of Earl Grey contains:  85 mgs!  The Twinings might be different, but probably not that different.  Still, some days maybe I'll just have kukicha and/or hojicha and on those days, perhaps 3 bags might be doable.

At any rate, thanks for the info about the relatively low caffeine content of the kukicha!

Posted by: EquiPro, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 3:56pm; Reply: 216
HI, PT!!!

I'm waiting for my GTD book to arrive, so I am VERY, VERY behind the 8-ball on all of this, and if I post something that makes you roll your eyes, please bear with me.

From looking at this last page, I am getting the idea that for some or all of us O's, chicken is now an avoid on some level, right?  Well, I think that's really interesting because I have ALWAYS and continue to generally dislike chicken.  I love the bones and the skin, so wings are generally the only point of eating chicken for me, and I can tolerate the dark-meat part, but, honestly, I see no point to eating chicken breasts in any form.  Chicken has always tasted "dirty" on some level to me, regardless of it being home-grown and hand slaughtered, free-range and organic, or just Costco packed.  The reality is that I just don't like chicken and never have.  I far prefer turkey, duck or the very best, wild goose.  

My daughter HATES chicken and always has.  She might choke down a chicken tender that deep-fat fried in fat and dipped in ketchup or cream gravy here or there, but she abhores the taste of chicken meat.  

Honestly, if neither of us ever ate another bite of chicken, life would be fine.

I'm betting, on this fact alone, that I am whatever genotype is supposed to be chicken-free!
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 4:51pm; Reply: 217
Quoted from EquiPro
HI, PT!!!

I'm waiting for my GTD book to arrive, so I am VERY, VERY behind the 8-ball on all of this, and if I post something that makes you roll your eyes, please bear with me.

I know how you feel when it seems everyone and his/her brother has the book but you, and you don't know what they are all going on about, measurement-wise, etc., but trust me:  you are NOT that "behind the eight-ball".  Once you read the book, you'll be all caught up!  Remember, none of us have had the book for more than a few weeks!  I still haven't completed the measurements (but I know what I am *lol* ...that said, it would be funny if I'm WRONG ...but I'm not).  You may think you are hopelessly "behind", but you aren't.  You will catch up very fast.  But I know how frustraligating it is before you get the book:  you want it, already!

I have to say, Equi, the Genotype Diet is the most exciting thing to come down the pike since ER4YT.  One gets the same feeling of "Yesssssssss!  I knew it!" all along whilst reading it.  I know with your keen and questioning mind, you will be fascinated by all the science.  It substantive, yet written in a style that makes it pretty easy to grasp.  Obviously, he couldn't go into everything, science-wise, or into the depth that I am sure he was tempted to go into, but he went into it as much as is possible in one book written for the general public.  Enough so that the "end user" of the diet will understand all the why's and wherefore's.  Or a remarkable number of them, anyway.  Again, no way could you fit it all in one book!

The diet itself follows in the great tradition of the SIMPLICITY of practice that ER4YT had.  There are "superfoods" (beneficials), "diamond superfoods" (superfoods with a little diamond symbol next to them, indicating that they are super-DUPER foods), neutrals (which are anything NOT listed, and which may be consumed freely, although one should focus on ingesting superfoods at every meal), "toxins to avoid" (avoids), and "black-dot toxins to avoid" (avoids with a black dot next to them, meaning you can add them back in after 3 to 6 months of initial detox, providing you are healthy and don't need to lose weight, in which case you should still leave them out).  Even the way I just described the categories makes them sound more complex than they are--it is basically two lists, beneficials and avoids, with diamonds next to some bennies and black dots next to some avoids--very CLEAR in how it is laid out and to be followed.

The part that is easiest to obsess over is the measurements.  I am a bit stressed about it to this day, yet if you know your ABO type and secretor status, you can use the "advanced genotype calculator" and you only need a few of the measurements the book describes.  I haven't done 'em yet *lol*, plus I plan to do them ALL and use each calculator, because that is the kind of insane nut I am.  But if I get conflicting results, I will go by the results of the advanced calculator.  I'm really not sweating it because I can tell what my type is.

It is like with ER4YT:  had you not told me my blood type and had I simply read the profiles of the types and the food lists, I would have known immediately:  ah, I'm a Type O.  I would have at least known I am NOT a Type A!  Vegetarian or semi-veggie?  Been there, done that, got the "I survived vegetarianism...but barely" T-shirt.

Anyway, I'm a G2 (Gatherer) and am currently sitting here ingesting my leftoever ground bison, green bean, chunky tomato marinara and pesto for lunch.  Life is good!

Quoted from EquiPro
From looking at this last page, I am getting the idea that for some or all of us O's, chicken is now an avoid on some level, right?

Don't get me started on THAT *lol*, because I seem to be in a bit of a twist over that at the moment.  The short answer is, it is a black-dot toxin to avoid, meaning if you are generally healthy and don't have weight to lose, you can add chicken back in after 3 to 6 months.  That is IF you are a "Gatherer", mind you.  You might be some other type.
Quoted from EquiPro
Well, I think that's really interesting because I have ALWAYS and continue to generally dislike chicken.  I love the bones and the skin, so wings are generally the only point of eating chicken for me, and I can tolerate the dark-meat part, but, honestly, I see no point to eating chicken breasts in any form.  Chicken has always tasted "dirty" on some level to me, regardless of it being home-grown and hand slaughtered, free-range and organic, or just Costco packed.  The reality is that I just don't like chicken and never have.  I far prefer turkey, duck or the very best, wild goose.

Wow, if you type out as a Gatherer, this could be one of those "YESSSSSSSS!" moments I was just referring to:  for Gatherers, chicken is a black-dot toxin to avoid, but turkey?  Well, my darling, turkey is a SUPERFOOD for you (if you are "one of us" *lol*).  And not just any old superfood, mind you, but a diamond superfood, as in, a kicked-up, super-duper superfood!

Quoted Text
My daughter HATES chicken and always has.  She might choke down a chicken tender that deep-fat fried in fat and dipped in ketchup or cream gravy here or there, but she abhores the taste of chicken meat.  

Honestly, if neither of us ever ate another bite of chicken, life would be fine.

I'm betting, on this fact alone, that I am whatever genotype is supposed to be chicken-free!

;D  Well, don't bet the farm on it.  But a gal can dream!
Posted by: Mercedes, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 4:56pm; Reply: 218
Rachel, if you are 0+ and have longer index fingrs than ring fingers, you are a gatherer. (all females with 0+ and longer ring fingers are gatherers; the other possible measurements don't matter.)
Posted by: Brighid45, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 5:42pm; Reply: 219
mm134684: go here:

http://www.edenfoods.com/store/index.php?cPath=23_41

Edenfoods is probably the best brand name I know for purity and quality--NO additives, preservatives, corn syrup or fillers, just high-quality organic or all-natural ingredients. They can be a bit pricey, but you're paying for really good food and imo, it's worth the extra price. You can order from them directly, or check with your local supermarket/natural foods/HFS to see if they carry Eden brand, or are willing to order it for you.

You might want to check out the rest of their offerings--there are many Gatherer-friendly goodies in their catalog, like umeboshi plum vinegar and sea vegetables. All in all, an excellent resource for any BTD- or GTDer!
Posted by: Brighid45, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 5:52pm; Reply: 220
Twin of mine, so you don't like whipped cream. That's cool. More for the rest of us. ;) Before you give up on it completely however, you might want to give creme fraiche a try. My whipped cream tastes more like the fraiche style--it is not fluffy or insipid, it's thick, dense, a bit sharp, and very satisfying--and NOT sweet at all. I know you'll blow me off on this, but just try it sometime.

As for unsweetened chocolate in chili--absolutely! Try it, especially with fresh chiles in the sauce. Chiles and chocolate are born mates, they compliment each other and create an incredibly intense, complex set of tastes you can get addicted to very quickly!

I'm actually thinking of going back to Lindt's 85% cocoa chocolate bar for chocolate pieces to put in my trail mix. Even the Ghirardelli chips taste too sweet to me now!

I do know Victoria and Lola make a hot drink from cocoa powder and boiling water. I tried it once and it took a little getting used to at first, but when my taste buds eventually quit expecting Swiss Miss cocoa, I liked it a lot! You get that velvety-sharp chocolate flavor without the interruption of sugar and faux milk. And a nice little hit of caffeine too, that doesn't jangle your nerves like coffee can do! Between it and Morning Thunder, my mornings are a lot more lively now! ;)
Posted by: Cheryl_O_Blogger, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 6:28pm; Reply: 221
Quoted from Peppermint Twist

I find I'm starting to question the chicken thing for O G2's a bit.  I think (and I am basing this purely on my own twisty speculation) that maybe Dr. D. black-dotted chicken as opposed to it being neutral because G2's can be O's or B's, and while chicken is (or was, in ancient BTD times) a neutral for O's, it was a clear-n-classic BTD avoid for B's.  So why should us O's suffer a chicken-free existence now just because some B's have horned in our our G2 type?  Those darn B's!   ;)  :K)

Seriously, I don't want to give up chicken!  I'm not saying it should be a mainstay for an O on either the BTD or the GTD, but, dang it, I like it and it was neutral before and I have my theory of why it is black-dotted now and according to my theory, the black dot doesn't apply to ME.  I'm special!   ;D



OK, so what are your thoughts on those Terra Red Bliss Chips we both love?  I got to thinking, white potatoes are listed on the toxin list for Gatherers.  What about red potatoes or yukon golds although I've never used yukon golds.  I do know that red potatoes have a lower glycemic index than regular white potatoes.  That is how I rationalized using them before.

The thing I probably miss the most is the possibility of roasted root vegetables.  Many of them are black dot foods, but none really on the SF list.
Posted by: Mary M., Thursday, January 10, 2008, 6:48pm; Reply: 222
Quoted from gulfcoastguy
Twisty a little bakers chocolate or cocoa powder added at the end used to be one of my secret ingredients in making chili. Of course the other one was beer! Still don't know if I'll go back to drinking it since it is now a Nomad diamond beverage. It's been about 8 years. Of course now that beer is in chocolate is out!


Hi gulfcoastguy,

That's a great addition to chili, never thought of it.
Would you please share your Chili Recipe with us? I'd like to make a compliant Gatherer's Chili from scratch.
Thank you.

Cordially,
Margaret
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 6:56pm; Reply: 223
Quoted from Brighid45
Twin of mine, so you don't like whipped cream. That's cool. More for the rest of us. ;) Before you give up on it completely however, you might want to give creme fraiche a try. My whipped cream tastes more like the fraiche style--it is not fluffy or insipid, it's thick, dense, a bit sharp, and very satisfying--and NOT sweet at all.

Creme fraiche is another story indeed.  Very lovely indeed.
Quoted from Briglet
As for unsweetened chocolate in chili--absolutely! Try it, especially with fresh chiles in the sauce. Chiles and chocolate are born mates

Interesting.  I feel that way about tomato marinara and basil pesto:  great, classic marraige.  And actually, chocolate and peppermint are lovely together, too, which is why I always loved the ORIGINAL Breyer's mint chip ice cream, which you can't get anymore.  It has been taken over by "Unilever" and is now a coconut-oil laden shadow of its former self.  What a loss to humanity, that!
Quoted from B-45
I'm actually thinking of going back to Lindt's 85% cocoa chocolate bar for chocolate pieces to put in my trail mix. Even the Ghirardelli chips taste too sweet to me now!

Wow, we are twins.  The first chocolate I ever actually liked was Lindt, which I tried at age 19 in a train station in Amsterdam or Germany.  I had never had GOOD chocolate before.

I notice now, though, that Lindt is here in the US, they have a lot of cr*ppy products, rife with junky ingredients.  On the rare occasions that I do buy chocolate (like, once every five years or so for myself, or recently to add to a holiday basket for my vet and his staff), I get Endangered Species.  BUT, and now we get to my point (thank goodness I have one, right?):  all of the above contain sugar, so me thinks you need to get UNSWEETENED chocolate for your trail mix, yes?  They have unsweetened chocolate chips, yes?  I wouldn't know.  I know you can't find unsweetened carob chips in this man's army, though.

I'm wanting to find out about the Peruvian pure chocolate powder mentioned somewhere or another around here.  Why do I get that?  The possibilities for using that are endless.  I really am going to try to open my mind and heart and tastebuds to approaching chocolate like something new.  Maybe I just have never chocolated right for my type before.  I am repulsed by it if it is locked together with cocoa butter or whatever, but maybe by its lonesome and in the right recipe, it would be LOVE.  Don we now our open-minded apparel!  ...Or words to that effect, you get my drift...I hope.  I am drifting today, that is for sure...it is the cold, yeah, that's what we'll blame it on...the head, she is fuzzy today!
Quoted from Brigadoon
I do know Victoria and Lola make a hot drink from cocoa powder and boiling water. I tried it once and it took a little getting used to at first, but when my taste buds eventually quit expecting Swiss Miss cocoa, I liked it a lot! You get that velvety-sharp chocolate flavor without the interruption of sugar and faux milk. And a nice little hit of caffeine too, that doesn't jangle your nerves like coffee can do!

I think I might have to add some agave syrup to that drink.  Just a tad.  OR--even better, because this is another perfect marraige, chocolate and pineapple--a little pineapple concentrate or juice.  Not that I've ever seen pineapple concentrate, but anyway.  I've heard tell of it.
;D

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 7:04pm; Reply: 224
Quoted from Cheryl_O_Blogger
OK, so what are your thoughts on those Terra Red Bliss Chips we both love?  I got to thinking, white potatoes are listed on the toxin list for Gatherers.  What about red potatoes or yukon golds although I've never used yukon golds.  I do know that red potatoes have a lower glycemic index than regular white potatoes.  That is how I rationalized using them before.

The thing I probably miss the most is the possibility of roasted root vegetables.  Many of them are black dot foods, but none really on the SF list.

Giiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirl!  Girl, girl, girl!  GIRL!  I have already been thinking about the whole "potato, white" situation!  First of all, I am not a huge fan of those Terra Bliss chips, although they will do in a pinch.  They are okay.  But have you ever tried the PURPLE potato chips?  Recently, although pre-GTD, we had a thread about them and the BTD, and we basically concluded sorrowfully that they are probably avoids because they still have the dratted potato lectin, just as white potatoes do, even though they have more coolio nutrients by virtue of their natural purple coloring...or, vice-versa.

But now?  I don't know!  It clearly says, potato, white!  WHITE!  Not purple!  Not Yukon gold!  WHITE!

My thought on this was:  don't post about it yet, Edna (although now that you did, I'm off to the races *lol*).  AFTER 3 to 6 months, or when you drop about 60 lbs, whichever comes LAST, THEN you can start considering the addition of purple chips to your diet.  Until then, calm down, pipe down, simmer down, down, down, down, rock lobster, ya know?  (Whoa--I am even too incoherent today to follow my own sentences *LOL*!  Well, grok what you can and leave the rest!)  Basically, I'm thinking that purple chips could be NEUTRAL...but that would be IF I didn't have my prior BTD knowledge, which I'm beginning to think of as a curse (just kidding--never would I think that!).  I mean, the stuuuu-pit lectin issue is still there.  So, the short answer to your Q is:  I dunno.  But I plan to have a hearty think on it in about a year, once the weight is jettisoned!
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 7:05pm; Reply: 225
Quoted from Mary M.
Hi gulfcoastguy, That's a great addition to chili, never thought of it. Would you please share your Chili Recipe with us? I'd like to make a compliant Gatherer's Chili from scratch.
Thank you.

Cordially,
Margaret

I second that request!  (woot)
Posted by: Cheryl_O_Blogger, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 7:30pm; Reply: 226
Quoted from Peppermint Twist

Giiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirl!  Girl, girl, girl!  GIRL!  I have already been thinking about the whole "potato, white" situation!  First of all, I am not a huge fan of those Terra Bliss chips, although they will do in a pinch.  They are okay.  But have you ever tried the PURPLE potato chips?  Recently, although pre-GTD, we had a thread about them and the BTD, and we basically concluded sorrowfully that they are probably avoids because they still have the dratted potato lectin, just as white potatoes do, even though they have more coolio nutrients by virtue of their natural purple coloring...or, vice-versa.

But now?  I don't know!  It clearly says, potato, white!  WHITE!  Not purple!  Not Yukon gold!  WHITE!

My thought on this was:  don't post about it yet, Edna (although now that you did, I'm off to the races *lol*).  AFTER 3 to 6 months, or when you drop about 60 lbs, whichever comes LAST, THEN you can start considering the addition of purple chips to your diet.  Until then, calm down, pipe down, simmer down, down, down, down, rock lobster, ya know?  (Whoa--I am even too incoherent today to follow my own sentences *LOL*!  Well, grok what you can and leave the rest!)  Basically, I'm thinking that purple chips could be NEUTRAL...but that would be IF I didn't have my prior BTD knowledge, which I'm beginning to think of as a curse (just kidding--never would I think that!).  I mean, the stuuuu-pit lectin issue is still there.  So, the short answer to your Q is:  I dunno.  But I plan to have a hearty think on it in about a year, once the weight is jettisoned!


You're right, love is too strong a word, just happy to find something with an acceptable oil and crunchy maybe better describes it for me.

On the 3 to 6 mo. or 60 pounds timetable, I'm thinking my target my be more toward, weight is in control (moving down) and few or no binges.  I actually had a great year last year, down 42 with a weight loss every month (0.5 pound low in February, 6 pound high in December, figure that one out, it should have been the reverse).  In 2006 in was a net gain of 8 pounds for the year, so I just put my foot down, drew a line in the sand, whatever.

I haven't tried the purple potatoes, but would agree that they probably have some nice antioxidants or something to go along with the purple.  Of course I could make the same argument for blue corn tortillas.

I do think the Gatherer diet is easier for me, but it is very hard to forget what I know about BTD.

One thing Dr. D said on one of the YouTube videos (or somewhere I'll never find again, maybe the intro to the book?) was that he wrote the GTD because he wanted to move past the inexorability of the Blood Type diet (and I apologize, because this is surely an inexact quote).  I wasn't exactly sure of that word choice, but I took him to mean the idea that a food was always and forever bad for a person.  I hope at some point there is some commentary on combining the two.

He gave the example that now Dean Ornish is recommending some fish in the diet.  That is recognized as progress, but the changes of GTD are taken as something less positive.  I can't think of a diet that hasn't morphed over the years, Weight Watchers being a very good example.

By the way, after intialing flipping quickly through the book to get to the what to dos, I took the time to read Tom Greenfield's Prologue.  It was really excellent.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 7:47pm; Reply: 227
Quoted from Cheryl_O_Blogger
On the 3 to 6 mo. or 60 pounds timetable, I'm thinking my target my be more toward, weight is in control (moving down) and few or no binges.  I actually had a great year last year, down 42 with a weight loss every month (0.5 pound low in February, 6 pound high in December, figure that one out, it should have been the reverse).

Hey, I'm proud of you!  Isn't it neat to realize WHY we are so "weight-challenged"?  Finding out that I am indeed a thrify genotype feels very validating, in terms of the weight. So EASY to gain, such a challenge to lose!  What aaaaaaaaaaaaup with that?  Well, now we know!
Quoted from Cheryl
I do think the Gatherer diet is easier for me, but it is very hard to forget what I know about BTD.

I feel you there, trust me.
Quoted Text
One thing Dr. D said on one of the YouTube videos (or somewhere I'll never find again, maybe the intro to the book?) was that he wrote the GTD because he wanted to move past the inexorability of the Blood Type diet (and I apologize, because this is surely an inexact quote).  I wasn't exactly sure of that word choice, but I took him to mean the idea that a food was always and forever bad for a person.  I hope at some point there is some commentary on combining the two.

I saw that, too...but where *lol*?!  Possibly in the Genotype Diet itself, me thinks.  Anyway...a lectin/blood type agglutinizing reaction is forever.  That said, can other parts of the total picture of YOU eclipse it's importance in determining a given food's status for you?  Apparently, yes.  Or, sometimes yes, sometimes no.

The answer to so many questions in life is:  sometimes yes, sometimes no.

;)
Posted by: Cheryl_O_Blogger, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 8:08pm; Reply: 228
He did say that ideally each person has a diet individualized just to him.  He's probably working on it. ;)
Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 9:34pm; Reply: 229
About my chile "recipe" a long time ago I had one from "Mens Health" that was vegetarian and used eggplant and zucchinni and beer. I lost it in the 2002 move. For various reason I haven't drunk beer in 8 years and now I can't have tomatos anymore "nomad nono Bnonnie be darned". I learned about the chocolate from my highschool spainish teacher who was of Mexican origin. Just use your favorite chile recipe and use one or two bottles of beer in cooking it and throw in one square of baker's chocolate right at the end as you turn off the heat. Don't forget that real chili has cumin in it.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Thursday, January 10, 2008, 9:53pm; Reply: 230
<<<funkymuse.....!!!! what an awesome idea! I even have some! Gymnema sylvestra.......wonder what Dr. D. thinks of this idea...? maybe its the big guns, too much...?>>>>

Anybody find out anything about this yet?
Posted by: 260 (Guest), Thursday, January 10, 2008, 11:28pm; Reply: 231
Quoted from Lisalea


Hi again,
U're welcome  ;D

I was wondering .. how did u know deep down that u're a non secretor ??

Keep thinking positive and let's stick together 'cause I'm in the same boat ... sigh ... between Gatherer and Nomad; however, according to my measurements I'm leaning towards a Nomad until I too do my secretor test :-/

Cheers  :K) ;D ;) :)



Yes positive thinking is a must!! I was so sure I was a nonsecretor because of all the health issues I suddenly had developed and because I had a candida problem and very sensitive to cheese and dairy and felt grains contributed to my hypoglycemia...I guess I just felt the description in the book and other peoples comments fit me pretty closely..but I'm so glad I did find out my status because I was following the nomad diet! oh and I found a compliant tomato sauce its called Nica's..and it comes in a variety of kinda..and also in Shaw's I found a hershey's and baker's unsweetened chocolate bar made of our just chocolate in one and chocolate and cocoa in the other :O) making progress
Posted by: Lisalea, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 11:43pm; Reply: 232
Quoted from 260



Yes positive thinking is a must!! I was so sure I was a nonsecretor because of all the health issues I suddenly had developed and because I had a candida problem and very sensitive to cheese and dairy and felt grains contributed to my hypoglycemia...I guess I just felt the description in the book and other peoples comments fit me pretty closely..but I'm so glad I did find out my status because I was following the nomad diet! oh and I found a compliant tomato sauce its called Nica's..and it comes in a variety of kinda..and also in Shaw's I found a hershey's and baker's unsweetened chocolate bar made of our just chocolate in one and chocolate and cocoa in the other :O) making progress


Yes, u r making progress ... PLEASE keep us posted  :K) ;D ;) :) :K)
Posted by: drgnwng1, Friday, January 11, 2008, 2:54am; Reply: 233
I use to buy Cocoa nibs. They are just Cocoa beans in pieces. They are great in trail mix and they don;t melt in your hand  ;D . I buy mine at Whole Foods. You can also grate them for fine powder over or in anything.
Check this recipe out http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/recipes/dessert/rawbananaicecream.html   YUM
Posted by: Brighid45, Friday, January 11, 2008, 12:38pm; Reply: 234
Cocoa nibs are awesome! They're great just to munch--you get that wonderful chocolatey taste without sugar or fat!

Mountain Rose Herbs sells nibs also.
Posted by: kipperkid, Friday, January 11, 2008, 9:08pm; Reply: 235
Quoted from Mercedes
Rachel, if you are 0+ and have longer index fingrs than ring fingers, you are a gatherer. (all females with 0+ and longer ring fingers are gatherers; the other possible measurements don't matter.)


Mercedes, I'm a bit confused by the above statement - should it be longer index or longer ring for a gatherer?
Posted by: Mercedes, Friday, January 11, 2008, 9:18pm; Reply: 236
longer index fingers and O+ blood and female = gatherer.
Posted by: kipperkid, Friday, January 11, 2008, 9:58pm; Reply: 237
Thanks Mercedes, my trouble is, I'm itching to know all the answers now!  ::)

My book was despatched yesterday but they reckon it won't reach me until the 16th :'(
Posted by: Lisalea, Friday, January 11, 2008, 10:55pm; Reply: 238
Quoted from Mercedes
longer index fingers and O+ blood and female = gatherer.


What about longer index fingers and B+ blood and female ??
Nomad or Gatherer  ;)

Thanks  ;D
Posted by: Lloyd, Saturday, January 12, 2008, 2:25am; Reply: 239
Nomad or gatherer. It depends on secretor status and/or other measurements.
Posted by: Lisalea, Saturday, January 12, 2008, 2:28am; Reply: 240
Quoted from Lloyd
Nomad or gatherer. It depends on secretor status and/or other measurements.

That's what I thought  ;D ;) :)
Thanks Lloyd  ;D
Posted by: Mercedes, Saturday, January 12, 2008, 3:52am; Reply: 241
Quoted from Lloyd
Nomad or gatherer. It depends on secretor status and/or other measurements.


BUT, not if you're a female with type O+ blood. The ONLY measurement that matters to O+ blood ladies, is the finger measurements. The rest don't matter at all... frustrating really...
Posted by: kipperkid, Saturday, January 12, 2008, 11:48am; Reply: 242
Way-hay, despite an anticipated delivery date of the 16th, my book landed on the doormat with a thud this morning (clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)

I think it is going to take some time getting used to what I can and can't eat - just got to grips with the O list, now its all change.  Lots of things that used to be beneficial are now avoids(dizzy) That's going to confuse the hell out of me and my shopping list!

And what the heck do I do with cottage cheese??? Never liked the stuff so need some recipes where the flavour gets blended in with other things, I think........ any offers?

Oatmeal I'm gonna enjoy, chocolate is a double-edged sword - I had enough trouble avoiding it when it was an infrequent neutral, tell me its a superfood and I'm done for - how the heck do I get chocolate without any avoids?????????

:'( :'( :'( And what about bananas and mangoes :'( :'( :'(
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Saturday, January 12, 2008, 12:47pm; Reply: 243
Mix unsweetened chocolate powder with ricotta cheese and a little stevia...

you will go to heaven!!!
Posted by: kipperkid, Saturday, January 12, 2008, 1:34pm; Reply: 244
Quoted from 1323
Mix unsweetened chocolate powder with ricotta cheese and a little stevia...


Not sure I can get stevia in UK, but I have unsweetened cocoa powder and ricotta cheese so I guess that is a start..... hmmm....
Posted by: Lisalea, Saturday, January 12, 2008, 1:41pm; Reply: 245
Quoted from 1323
Mix unsweetened chocolate powder with ricotta cheese and a little stevia...

you will go to heaven!!!


Did u ever try to mix carob with ricotta ??  ;)
Thanks  ;D :)

Posted by: Brighid45, Saturday, January 12, 2008, 1:44pm; Reply: 246
Kipperkid, you can dose cottage cheese or ricotta with some extra virgin olive oil, garlic and chives and hide it in things like veggie lasagna. I also just found a recipe for baked ricotta cakes (a bit like cheesecake but not nearly as sweet) that you serve hot from the oven with fruit preserves. I'm going to try that recipe this weekend and will post results.

As for chocolate . . . try the unsweetened stuff. You can melt down a bar of baking chocolate and add your own compliant sweetener if you like, along with toasted nuts and chopped dried fruits--sort of like a compliant version of Cadbury's Fruit and Nut or a Chunky bar, but without all that sugar. I have to take it easy with chocolate too, it can be a trigger for me to binge if I'm not careful.

I miss bananas too, they were a mainstay for me. :( But the good news is they're a black-dot food, so eventually you can try putting them back into your diet. I can live with that. Right now I'm doing more dried apricots. I'd forgotten how good they are!

It does take some getting used to the changes, but I'm really excited about them now. After a week on the Gatherer food plan, at about 75-80% compliancy, I'm beginning to feel better--lighter, if that makes any sense at all. Hang in there and take one step at a time. Be gentle with yourself. Change takes time--and the GTD will always be there, it's not going away :) You can always come here and comment or ask questions, many of us are going through the same period of confusion, consternation and excitement :)
Posted by: kipperkid, Saturday, January 12, 2008, 1:56pm; Reply: 247
Yes, I can see me doing a fair bit of searching for new recipes over the next few days/weeks/months!

I went for a walk over lunchtime, couldn't afford to waste such a gorgeous day - it's been seriously wet and dreary most of this week.  Spotted a shop selling fresh apricots so bought some and had one for a snack - have to admit I've always liked apricots so that wasn't exactly a hardship! ;)

Breakfast was porridge made with oats, quinoa and millet with some dried apricots added - looked absolutely disgusting I have to say, but tasted pretty good.

Now need to give some thought to lunch - back to the book for some inspiration I think.

Dinner is turkey in a tomato/herb sauce with courgettes, onions and mushrooms - must say I'm glad to have mushrooms back on the agenda.

I was interested to see Marmite as a superfood, too - always used to love that - just need to sort out what bread I'm allowed to have, and I could be back to Marmite sarnies. ;D
Posted by: drgnwng1, Saturday, January 12, 2008, 2:36pm; Reply: 248
Years ago I used cottage cheese in recipes that needed sauces. It melted down nicely in chicken veggie crepes. Now to come up with compliant recipes using the same. You never knew it was cottage cheese after all the flavors mixed into it.
Posted by: kipperkid, Saturday, January 12, 2008, 3:19pm; Reply: 249
Do the lumps melt down when you put it in a sauce like that?

I just been reading the section on beverages and I have to admit 2-4 times a day worries me - I drink loads more than that, 8 drinks minimum, mostly water :-/  I think that recommendation may be one that goes on hold for the moment......!
Posted by: geminisue, Saturday, January 12, 2008, 3:25pm; Reply: 250
I'm a little concerned about eating dairy as a gatherer.  This morning I had a half a cup with cinnamon sprinkled on it and mixed in.  Within five minutes mucus was running out of my nose like a water faucet for about two minutes.  Why?  Good or Bad.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Saturday, January 12, 2008, 3:48pm; Reply: 251
You can also get organic unsweetened chocolate powder and for me it's much easier than using the bar.  But if you have time.. go for it.

Also there are other sweetners you could use.  I don't know what is on the Gatherer list... vegi glycerin???
Posted by: Whimsical, Saturday, January 12, 2008, 4:04pm; Reply: 252
Veggie glycerine is a Gatherer superfood because in addition to sweetening, it helps to regulate blood sugar, unlike most other sweeteners.

I make a fudge-like chocolate that is OK for Gatherers, mostly superfoods, that can be found here.  Now that I know my Gatherer foods, I am using almond butter rather than tahini and I think I will mix both walnuts and pecans into it.
Posted by: Gumby, Saturday, January 12, 2008, 4:29pm; Reply: 253
Quoted from kipperkid
I just been reading the section on beverages and I have to admit 2-4 times a day worries me - I drink loads more than that, 8 drinks minimum, mostly water :-/  I think that recommendation may be one that goes on hold for the moment......!


Kipper, I don't think the beverages/day includes plain water.  I think it is talking about the number of servings of the listed beverages only.  We still need lots of water!  So no worries there.  ;D

(yes I am hovering in the gatherer thread again... :D )
Posted by: 260 (Guest), Saturday, January 12, 2008, 4:44pm; Reply: 254
I read the posts on yams somewhere in one of the threads..and it talked about how there aren't any true yams in the US..but is Dr. Dadamo referring to the so called "yams" in the supermarket when he posts them on the superfoods list
Posted by: jayneeo, Saturday, January 12, 2008, 5:22pm; Reply: 255
mm, we don't think so.....we think he's referring to true yams, for the sake of those who live in the tropics.
Kipperkid....no cottage cheese won't melt up smooth....it will be fine mixed with a bunch of stuff, but you'll have to try it and see....
And Geminisue, dairy may affect people differently...I am wondering about that one...I love it , but don't know yet.....
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Saturday, January 12, 2008, 6:27pm; Reply: 256
Quoted from Whimsical
Veggie glycerine is a Gatherer superfood because in addition to sweetening, it helps to regulate blood sugar, unlike most other sweeteners.

I make a fudge-like chocolate that is OK for Gatherers, mostly superfoods, that can be found here.  Now that I know my Gatherer foods, I am using almond butter rather than tahini and I think I will mix both walnuts and pecans into it.


Man!  I'm goin' for this!  I think everything is ok for the Hunter in this as well!!! thanks for sharing... yummmy!
Posted by: geminisue, Saturday, January 12, 2008, 7:34pm; Reply: 257
Thanks Jayneeo- I will check it out further another day and see what happens.
Posted by: Brighid45, Saturday, January 12, 2008, 8:41pm; Reply: 258
GSue--if you are eating cottage cheese bought from the supermarket, it could be the additives in the cheese that's causing trouble. I made a batch of farmer's cheese with organic 2% milk, lemon juice and a bit of salt, and it didn't bother me at all, whereas storebought cheese makes me stuffy and tired. You might try making your own cheese to see if it still gives you trouble. If you still have problems, then you can back off on dairy and try the other superfoods listed. We're individuals, after all :)
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, January 12, 2008, 9:11pm; Reply: 259
don t stop drinking your water!! ;)
Posted by: TypeOSecretor, Saturday, January 12, 2008, 9:56pm; Reply: 260
Geminisue - I'm not sure what the medical take is on mucous production; and I definitely don't know what is right for you, but I'd pay attention to additives.

In my case, for whatever reason, I have had excessive mucous production since starting Genotype with almost everything I am eating. I guess my explanation to myself is that mucous is doing its job; it's just removing "toxins."  I'm hoping it will taper off. That is my uneducated guess for me.  For another person, this could be a  reaction that needs a more specialized explanation.

I've had many bad reactions to the Genotype diet - but I'm planning to ride them through.  The other day I broke out in a bright red rash on my face and neck one hour after eating lamb and green beans.  I've been eating lamb since then. I've had other worse reactions - and some better experiences.

I hope you find the answer that is right for you.
Posted by: jayneeo, Sunday, January 13, 2008, 2:25am; Reply: 261
so....do they make a goat cottage cheese????
Posted by: 260 (Guest), Sunday, January 13, 2008, 5:13am; Reply: 262
I was just wondering how everyone is feeling on the gatherer diet so far? notice any changes? any new favorite foods?
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, January 13, 2008, 5:16am; Reply: 263
Quoted Text
goat cottage cheese?


might as well try finding goat milk and make your own, avoid free! ;)
Posted by: jayneeo, Sunday, January 13, 2008, 6:44am; Reply: 264
I am not alone in enjoying oatmeal! I put dried cranberries (yeah, I know they have fruit juice and/or sunflower oil... >:()....dried currants, pecans, ground flaxseeds, sometimes rice bran instead....and of course cinnamon and agave!
Posted by: Lisalea, Sunday, January 13, 2008, 3:20pm; Reply: 265
Quoted from jayneeo
I am not alone in enjoying oatmeal! I put dried cranberries (yeah, I know they have fruit juice and/or sunflower oil... >:()....dried currants, pecans, ground flaxseeds, sometimes rice bran instead....and of course cinnamon and agave!


YUM  ;D :P
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, January 14, 2008, 4:54pm; Reply: 266
Quoted from Cheryl_O_Blogger
He did say that ideally each person has a diet individualized just to him.  He's probably working on it. ;)

Mine had better include sunflower seeds, quinine/tonic water, Maine lobster tail, pumpkin seeds, cheeseburgers, Reubens (omg, I want a Reuben--too bad I still can't taste anything thanks to "Coldzilla" *lol*), French fries with roquefort dressing...okay--I'd better stop the madness right there.  That is my dream genotype.  A genotype that has yet to mutate...except in the darkest hideaways of my mind!

The Twistytype Genotype:  Motto - if it involves carbs, fat and salt together, its got to be good!
Posted by: Cheryl_O_Blogger, Monday, January 14, 2008, 5:23pm; Reply: 267
I was a little bummed out to see pecorino romano and roquefort on the toxin list.  I used them sometimes since they are at least sheep milk based.  Manchego is still there as an option so as well as ricotta.  Ricotta being a whey cheese I could never understand why it wasn't allowed.

I have some idea that I may continue to use some foods that were OK for me on BTD, if it looks like they are now toxins because of the Bs and nonnies in the gatherer clan.

For the most part the gatherer foods are a little easier to find, although ground lamb is not always available.  There was about 2/3 of a pound this weekend, so I mixed it in with ground buffalo and precooked several burgers for meals this week.  I usually crumble it into a big bowl of soup instead of doing the sandwich thing.  

So far as the mucus thing, it's cedar/juniper time here, and I think I have some pretty heavy allergy responses to that going, probably because of my long outdoor walks and airing out the apartment (letting in all the allergens?).  I've been cheating somewhat with dairy anyway, so I don't think I can blame the gatherer changes for that.  I'm still using up toxins like soymilk.  My pantry is overflowing, so I'm trying to thin it down.  If gatherer meant hoarder that would describe me.  I found tropical vruit with a use by date of 2005.  And I keep buying pastas that I never use, and now the kamut is a toxin.
Posted by: lakes-lady68, Monday, January 14, 2008, 6:54pm; Reply: 268
Quoted from Cheryl_O_Blogger
I was a little bummed out to see pecorino romano and roquefort on the toxin list.  I used them sometimes since they are at least sheep milk based.  Manchego is still there as an option so as well as ricotta.  Ricotta being a whey cheese I could never understand why it wasn't allowed.



I'd kill for some blue cheese right now lol and there is some Stilton in the fridge that I'll have to throw out as it's just begging to be melted on top of a fillet steak  :-/

Posted by: drgnwng1, Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 2:40am; Reply: 269
I had ricotta yesterday and I was uncomfortable all night. No milk today and I am expecting to sleep much better.
Posted by: Debra+, Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 4:11am; Reply: 270
Quoted from Cheryl_O_Blogger
and now the kamut is a toxin.


c**p...I did not see it under wheat, whole grain...I thought it was a neutral and have been eating a kamut/quinoa pasta.  My legs have been just a burning below the knee and to come down stairs is a real challenge.   Back to the drawing board.  Thanks Cheryl. ;)

Debra :)

Posted by: medavida, Tuesday, January 15, 2008, 11:11pm; Reply: 271
Well provided that all my measurements are Correct, I am a Gatherer, I am at my ideal weight, but that is probably because I have a gluten and dairy sensitivity and have almost complety cut it out of my diet.  I am glad that I can re introduce Oats into my diet, I have always done well on it.  Although i don't do well to eat to much of any kind of grain, so I will continue to keep the portions small.
  My favorite food as a toddler was cottage chees, but I have trouble eating it today, it depends on the brand I guess.  I like buffalo meat.
Consuming vegitable glycerin sounds fishy to me, I guess it's because when used as an ingredient in lotions, it can be drying to some.  But I suppose if it is compatable with my blood type I shouldn't worry about it.
Posted by: meribelle, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 12:43am; Reply: 272
Quoted from drgnwng1
I had ricotta yesterday and I was uncomfortable all night. No milk today and I am expecting to sleep much better.


I forced myself to eat some cottage cheese the other day. (I never did like the stuff.)  I had gas the next day.  I don't think I can digest dairy, even if I am a gatherer.  

I remeasured my fingers this morning, and I am still a gatherer.  What did I think would change overnight????
Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 1:03am; Reply: 273
yup, tried it several times....cottage cheese is not happening here for this O rh-.....I am ok on the manchego......haven't tried ricotta. goat cheese and sheep cheese do well with me.
Posted by: drgnwng1, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 1:18am; Reply: 274
Yes I do have dairy issues but figured. I forced them pre BTD and they gave me issues, I gave them up except for half and half for BTD so if I add the ricotta back on the GTD it should work right??? Guess that was wishful thinking.
Posted by: yaeli, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 11:26am; Reply: 275
Gatherer's breakfast today according to the genotype site: Strawberry smoothie with... YOGURT...  :o  :o  :B  ??) (naughty)(naughty) (evil)

"Baby steps"?
Posted by: yaeli, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 11:52am; Reply: 276
Shall I eat cottage cheese 3 times a week and my arthritis won't worsen?  ::)  :-/
It feels a bit awkward. I guess if I try just one week of superfoods and neutrals I'll have the answer.
Posted by: 178 (Guest), Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 12:03pm; Reply: 277
If you're lactose intolerant, you're lactose intolerant, irrespective of GT. Dr D said:

"The gene for lactose intolerance is separate from the GTD. You just have to know yourself."

:)


Posted by: yaeli, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 12:06pm; Reply: 278
Thanks Rochelle. This settles it.  :)
Posted by: Lisalea, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 1:50pm; Reply: 279
Quoted from yaeli
Gatherer's breakfast today according to the genotype site: Strawberry smoothie with... YOGURT...  :o  :o  :B  ??) (naughty)(naughty) (evil)

"Baby steps"?



Yogurt ??????  :o :o :o must be mistake :-/
Yogurt is toxic for a Gatherer ...
Cheers yael  ;D
Posted by: yaeli, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 2:04pm; Reply: 280
We're learning this together, I suppose. (book2)
Posted by: judy_clau, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 2:37pm; Reply: 281
I love vegetable glycerine; I was very grateful when Heidi M. introduced me to it, (on the ER BB, years ago.)I can't live without it (v.g., that is,)as a diabetic. Where is Heidi, anyway?  

The chocolate "fudge" recipe sound delish! Can't wait to try it.
I invented something fun..I make a serving of oatbran in the microwave, and add veg. glycerine..then I add a tsp. of plain cocoa powder, and some cinnamon.  Sometimes I add fruit and/or nuts.  To me, it's like candy, (although it's not...it's healthy for Gatherers, as you know.)

I also like to mix crushed pineapple with leftover Basmati rice, and add cinnamon, and maybe chopped nuts. mmmm-good!I love the Ricotta cheese; that's good mixed with fruit, (or do the same with the cottage cheese..that's one of my childhood favorites.)Judy O0o so grateful for Dr. D..
Posted by: judy_clau, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 2:40pm; Reply: 282
Maybe they mean goat or sheep's yogurt?  The same as Greek yogurt?  I think I saw it at Trader Joe's. Would it make sense that Gatherers could have that kind of Yogurt? (Although, I don't see it listed in the book.)
Posted by: yaeli, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 2:47pm; Reply: 283
It says plainly: Yogurt = Toxin. No black dot.
Posted by: judy_clau, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 2:52pm; Reply: 284
I love 'em, for the most part..but am missing my beef.  "Where's the Beef?" lol ;D

Oh, well I still have lamb and turkey, and maybe we can find some of the others at the butcher.

Love the Ricotta and c.c., especially with fruit.  I definitely won't miss the chicken..could never sleep that night, when I ate it.  

What about Ezekiel bread?  I know it's not on our list, but that makes it a neutral, right?  Someone posted that it has gluten; I looked at my bread wrapper, and no gluten! I buy the Ezekiel bread in the orange wrapper, (Ezekiel 4:9.)

Did we ever get the word on oatmeal, (since we're allowed oat bran and flour?)Judy 0Oo
Posted by: yaeli, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 2:58pm; Reply: 285
Quoted from judy_clau
Did we ever get the word on oatmeal, (since we're allowed oat bran and flour?)Judy 0Oo
Yes, how come the flour & bran are superfoods and the grains are not?
Posted by: judy_clau, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 3:02pm; Reply: 286
Quoted from Peppermint Twist

Chocolate?   ::)  I know it's a crowd pleaser but, come on, give me something **I** can work with!  Chocolate, pfffffft!


I'm very happy to have chocolate.  I take the Hershey's plain cocoa powder, and mix it with nuts and veg. glycerine...yum.  

Or a tsp of the plain cocoa in my oat bran with glycerine and nuts or stirred in to Basmatti rice, with fruit.  I put it on any of our grains, even Ezekiel bread..(now you know I'm missing my chocolate pudding.) But one day, maybe i'll figure how to make that with our foods.  Maybe rice or almond milk.  I'll go work on it.  Oh, I've got it! :o Cocoa powder, and glycerine in Ricotta Cheese!!  Judy

Posted by: 260 (Guest), Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 3:19pm; Reply: 287
Quoted from judy_clau

What about Ezekiel bread?  I know it's not on our list, but that makes it a neutral, right?  Someone posted that it has gluten; I looked at my bread wrapper, and no gluten! I buy the Ezekiel bread in the orange wrapper, (Ezekiel 4:9.)



Unfortunately, Ezekiel bread has 100% sprouted wheat in it, a block dot avoid, so is out for 3-6 months.  However, there's Manna Bread  :)

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 3:27pm; Reply: 288
Quoted from judy_clau
Did we ever get the word on oatmeal, (since we're allowed oat bran and flour?)Judy 0Oo

Just my own conclusion here, but I think it is at least neutral and possibly a superfood, since the bran is a superfood (but that could be because us thrifty genotypes need FIBER, baby) and the flour is a superfood.  Surely the whole oat would be super is the flour is...yes?  But it is at least neutral, meaning one can freely indulge.

I have thus far into the going had it twice, and I have to laugh because I had it Monday for breakfast, when I still couldn't taste ANYTHING due to coldzilla (I still cannot taste, although a tiny bit of taste is getting through now...but Monday I literally had no sense of taste at all).  I added agave nectar and so much cinnamon that, apparently, while I tasted NOTHING, you could pick up the fragrance quite a ways away, as someone came barrelling over and inquired as to where that lovely cinnamon scent was coming from!  When she saw how much I had in my oatmeal, she about died laughing!  Meanwhile, I couldn't taste anything!  It is scary how much cinnamon I consumed and how much sea salt I have also imbibed in the past few days, in a vain attempt to be able to taste.

Not sure if you can OD on cinnamon or what, but considering its beneficial effect on blood sugar, it is a good thing I used so much, as I also had enough agave nectar in there to lubricate a car engine.

Posted by: judy_clau, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 3:27pm; Reply: 289
Quoted from Mary M.
both of us ate a compliant breakfast and neither of us was hungry 7 hours later.Margaret

I, too experienced the same thing the first day I started the diet, (but I may have had a slice or 2 of Ezekiel Bread that day.)
Not hungry all day, (unlike before.)  I've found that the Green tea curbs my appetite, and keeps me calm, (even when I was on a low carb diet.) Judy O0o
Posted by: judy_clau, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 3:37pm; Reply: 290
Quoted from 260


Unfortunately, Ezekiel bread has 100% sprouted wheat in it, a block dot avoid, so is out for 3-6 months.  However, there's Manna Bread  :)


Bummer..I didn't think of that.  Oh, well, we've still got 2.5 loaves in the freezer to use up.  He said to do this gradually, right?  I did order Edna's Millet/Flax bread, (before I realized it has brown rice in it.) Hubby took it for lunch the other day..I didn't hear any comments, one way or the other. I must ask him what he thought.  Judy 0Oo so grateful for this website and friends like you.   :)
Posted by: yaeli, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 3:44pm; Reply: 291
Quoted from Peppermint Twist
Not sure if you can OD on cinnamon or what, but considering its beneficial effect on blood sugar, it is a good thing I used so much, as I also had enough agave nectar in there to lubricate a car engine.
And to think it used to be an avoid for O back in ER4YT times... brrrr... thank God those days are over, and rejoice!

Posted by: judy_clau, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 3:48pm; Reply: 292
Quoted from 2151
I'm so grateful to have the information - as an O+, I felt bad that I could not do more strenuous exercise like running.  I prefer yoga and swimming and always felt a bit exhausted by running and the like.


I'm with you!  My daughter, and O+ Sec. (probably Hunter,) started running in H.S., and got my hubby and I into it.  I really never looked forward to it ["Road Races" on weekends,] but my hubby, (Gatherer, non-believer,) is addicted to it.  

He's very thin, (although has the "spare tire,")and looks older than his age.

I, in fact broke my foot after running 5 days in a row.  That was the end of my running career, thank God I'm a Gatherer.
Judy 0Oo so grateful...
Posted by: judy_clau, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 3:51pm; Reply: 293
Quoted from yaeli
And to think it [cinnamon]used to be an avoid for O back in ER4YT times..


Always loved cinnamon..can't live without it on our grains, yams, or our cheese...oh, and fruit. Judy 0Oo so grateful...

Posted by: Lisalea, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 3:55pm; Reply: 294
Quoted from judy_clau


Always loved cinnamon..can't live without it on our grains, yams, or our cheese...oh, and fruit. Judy 0Oo so grateful...


Nutmeg's also delicious on yams/sweet potato ;)
Cheers  :K) ;D :)
Posted by: judy_clau, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 3:57pm; Reply: 295
Quoted from misspudding
I'm pretty sure I'm a nonnie, though I haven't been tested.  I'm so prone to yeast..


My family was prone to yeast, too, but we're all O-Secretors..who knows..?Judy 0Oo

P.S. Maybe mine are Lewis double negatives; I've read that they have similar problems as nonnies...Haven't been tested for that yet.  Anyone know who to contact for that? Cost?  

Posted by: judy_clau, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 4:02pm; Reply: 296
Quoted from Lisalea

Nutmeg's also delicious..

Are Gatherers allowed nutmeg now?  It was avoid for O+ Secretors before...I guess I haven't completely converted yet...Judy0Oo  Oh! :o I don't see it listed, so it must be neutral.  That's good, I've missed it in my pumpkin custard. OOh! May even be able to whip up a fake eggnog this year!  ;D Judy 0Oo so grateful for our compliant foods.

Posted by: Lisalea, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 4:15pm; Reply: 297
Quoted from judy_clau

:o I don't see it listed, so it must be neutral.  



Looks like it is :K) ;D  :) ;)
Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 5:09pm; Reply: 298
About the dairy thing...I am lactose intolerant....the cottage cheese isn't working out....will leave that out for awhile....it was good to hear that it is not connected to genotype...you just have to know yourself...
Posted by: 260 (Guest), Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 11:10pm; Reply: 299
hmm can anyone think of some neutral foods..anything I come up with is either on the superfood or toxin list..except for macadamia nuts  :)
Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 11:20pm; Reply: 300
beef.....collard greens.....off the top of my head
Posted by: Brighid45, Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 11:22pm; Reply: 301
Remember if it isn't listed as a superfood or a toxin, it's a neutral food and can be eaten as often as you wish. So we O Gatherers can still eat beef any time we want--it's just not a healing superfood like lamb or turkey.

As for cottage cheese, oat flour etc, if you were lactose intolerant or gluten sensitive before this, you still will be. Knowing your blood type, your secretor status and your genotype will give you the chance to personalize your diet to an even greater degree than before.

I'm finding this to be my time to experiment and try new things, to see what works best for me. My Gatherer food plan will be slightly different from yours--and that's exactly as it should be. :)
Posted by: 260 (Guest), Wednesday, January 16, 2008, 11:33pm; Reply: 302
Quoted from Brighid45

As for cottage cheese, oat flour etc, if you were lactose intolerant or gluten sensitive before this, you still will be. Knowing your blood type, your secretor status and your genotype will give you the chance to personalize your diet to an even greater degree than before.



So if I am a nonsecretor, are there foods on the superfood lists for gatherers I should avoid..how would this characteristic help me personalize the diet more? or does it not particularly matter
Posted by: TypeOSecretor, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 6:27am; Reply: 303
Quoted from judy_clau

..(now you know I'm missing my chocolate pudding.) But one day, maybe i'll figure how to make that with our foods.



??? Would whipped egg white, whipped unflavored gelatin - whipped together - later a little agave - later some cocoa powder work???  I think we experimented with this about a year ago on the forum.   Not too frequently with whipped egg whites - maybe once every 2 weeks.
Posted by: yaeli, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 10:57am; Reply: 304
Quoted from 260
So if I am a nonsecretor, are there foods on the superfood lists for gatherers I should avoid..how would this characteristic help me personalize the diet more? or does it not particularly matter
For example, as an O secretor I am not going to touch avocado. I believe nonnies still can barely tolerate grains. And so forth...  :-/ ::)

Posted by: geminisue, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 12:49pm; Reply: 305
Thanks for all your answers.  It was homemade cottage cheese made with 2% low fat milk.  I tried it a second time in an omelet, made the egg part spooned on one half, spread around with difficulty, put other half on and zapped in microwave for 15 seconds.  It was delicious and no effects at all.

Maybe our bodies need to adjust to these new foods were putting back into it, especially the AVOIDS. or Black Dot Avoids (later)
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Thursday, January 17, 2008, 1:37pm; Reply: 306
Quoted from judy_clau

(now you know I'm missing my chocolate pudding.) But one day, maybe i'll figure how to make that with our foods.  Maybe rice or almond milk.  I'll go work on it.  Oh, I've got it! :o Cocoa powder, and glycerine in Ricotta Cheese!!  Judy



it's delicious and tastes just like pudding!
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 1:50pm; Reply: 307
Quoted from Brighid45
As for oat flour, if you were gluten sensitive before this, you still will be.

FYI, oats do not contain gluten.  However, be aware of this (bolded emphasis added by me):

"Oats do not have gluten in them, but they may have gluten on them. If that sounds confusing then please let me explain.

For years oats have been mistakenly considered to contain gluten. Many people with a gluten allergy discovered that eating oats could result in the same symptoms known to be caused by eating wheat, barley or rye. However, recent research has shed some light on this problem and given everyone with a gluten allergy a reason to rejoice.

Oats do not contain gluten. However, because oats are a major agricultural product they are handled by the same mills, processing plants, and grain elevators that handle wheat, barley and rye. This results in enough contamination of the oats that they can readily trigger a gluten allergy when ingested.

The good news is that there are companies now providing non-contaminated oats. These can often be found in your local health food store or online at one of the many gluten free food retailers."

Source:  http://www.foodallergysolutions.com/food-allergy-news0204.html (scroll down to heading "Do Oats Contain Gluten?")

Isn't that interesting?  I am going to look for these gluten-free oats, and I wonder if they are labeled as such?  I have a high-quality brand of rolled oats in my desk here at work right now, Bob's Red Mill Brand "Old Fashioned Rolled Oats".  They are certified 100% organic.  Yet, sure enough, if I look at the fine print on the back, they do mention they are processed in a plant that also processes tree nuts, wheat, etc...  Many products carry this allergen disclaimer, though.  I'm not sure that necessarily means that there is gluten on my oats.

Still, interesting point that us Gatherers who try to avoid wheat and gluten might want to specifically look for oats that are labeled gluten-free, if there is such an animal...and the quote above seems to indicate that there is.

Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Thursday, January 17, 2008, 1:58pm; Reply: 308
Quoted from Peppermint Twist


Isn't that interesting?  I am going to look for these gluten-free oats, and I wonder if they are labeled as such?  



Hello PT... yes I've purchased them at Wild Oats and they were labled as such in the gluten free section.  However I recently searched searched at Whole Foods to no avail.   :-/

Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 5:53pm; Reply: 309
WF will respond if you write or email them...that you want this type of  product.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 6:12pm; Reply: 310
Quoted from 1323


Hello PT... yes I've purchased them at Wild Oats and they were labled as such in the gluten free section.

Wow, that Wild Oats has an entire gluten-free section.  Coolio.  We don't have that chain here.  We don't have any chain here.  However, I am very blessed because we do have an excellent, independent HFS here which is pretty small, yet recently expanded and really now is meeting all my grocery-shopping needs fantabulously.

:)
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Thursday, January 17, 2008, 6:26pm; Reply: 311
Quoted from Peppermint Twist

Wow, that Wild Oats has an entire gluten-free section.  Coolio.  We don't have that chain here.  We don't have any chain here.  However, I am very blessed because we do have an excellent, independent HFS here which is pretty small, yet recently expanded and really now is meeting all my grocery-shopping needs fantabulously.

:)


If they don't have it... they will probably order it, yes?

Also... I'm feeling rather envious of all you Gatherers over here!  You are so social!  Our poor Hunter threads suffer a bit... I guess we are all out Hunting!  ha Ha!! HAAA!!!  

Hope you all don't mind a Hunter comin' over and blabbin' from time to time...  :)
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 6:40pm; Reply: 312
come on down! after all, we go way back!
Posted by: Cheryl_O_Blogger, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 6:51pm; Reply: 313
Quoted from meribelle


I forced myself to eat some cottage cheese the other day. (I never did like the stuff.)  I had gas the next day.  I don't think I can digest dairy, even if I am a gatherer.  


One thing I remember about dairy and Bs.  Dr. D recommended that a lactose intolerant B use lactase and try to incorporate dairy since it was so beneficial for them.  Lactose intolerance is not related to blood type.  It's a separate consideration, like celiac disease or allergies.  If you're truly allergic to a superfood you would not eat it.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 6:54pm; Reply: 314
Quoted from 1323
I'm feeling rather envious of all you Gatherers over here!  You are so social!  Our poor Hunter threads suffer a bit... I guess we are all out Hunting!  ha Ha!! HAAA!!!

;D That's hilar!  The hunters are all out, in their tall, thin, intense way, hunting the big game, whilst us short, voluptuous gatherers are home picking wild berries and gossiping the day away!

The hunters need absolute silence in order to stalk their prey.  Us gatherers, meanwhile, are jawin' it up as we collect our fruit, nuts and seeds!

Posted by: Brighid45, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 6:57pm; Reply: 315
Hunters are welcome here, as far as I'm concerned--so are the other GTs :) We Gatherers appear to be the homemakers and hearth-keepers, so to speak, so having people over to chat is natural for us. ;)

Twinnie, you are absolutely spot on about the oats. My apologies if I implied the gluten is IN the oats--it is on the outside, as PT's post indicates.

If you don't have a store selling GF oats near you, try a google search and see if there isn't an online seller willing to ship to you. I plan to do this myself, since the bulk foods place near us is happy to sell organic oats, but isn't willing to do GF oats yet until demand increases (understandable, they have to sell things to make money!).

I've always had good results with McCann's, an Irish brand. They do not claim to be GF, but their oats never give me moderate gluten reactions the way Quaker or Mother's often do. Their steel-cut oats (steel-cut makes excellent overnight oatmeal!) come in a wonderful decorative metal tin. Their quick-cooking oats make excellent cookies too.
Posted by: Brighid45, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 6:59pm; Reply: 316
p.s. try roasted pumpkin seeds and dried raspberries in your oatmeal cookie recipe in place of walnuts and raisins. It's sooooo good! :)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 7:04pm; Reply: 317
Quoted from Brighid45
We Gatherers appear to be the homemakers and hearth-keepers, so to speak, so having people over to chat is natural for us. ;)

:D JINX:  buy me a Coke!  ...Or, make that:  JINX:  make me a homemade soda with seltzer, elderberry, grapefruit juice and lemon!

We just posted the same idea at virtually the same time!

Twin alert, yet again!

So many twin alerts, so little time to acknowledge them all...

Anyway, great minds think alike:  yes, we gatherers are the home and hearthbodies (hearthbody...now there is a new Twist word de jour!).  Like I posted, we are picking the berries in our social way, whilst the hunters are out stalking the big game in silence.  Once again, I'm glad I'm a gatherer!
:D

Posted by: Mercedes, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 7:05pm; Reply: 318
I tried using dried gooseberries as a sub for raisins in my oatmeal bar... man alive are those things SWEET. At some point I intend to soak them, puree them and try and make a syrup out of them...

I like using goji berries in place of raisins...
Posted by: Brighid45, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 7:13pm; Reply: 319
It's getting more and more like the Patty Duke show with us two. Except your legs are shorter than mine. ;)

Some GF oats suppliers online:

http://www.glutenfreeoats.com
http://www.giftsofnature.net
http://www.creamhillestates.com

Bob's Red Mill now offers GF steel-cut oats that are prepared in a dedicated facility, so you can check their website to learn more.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 7:38pm; Reply: 320
Quoted from Brighid45
It's getting more and more like the Patty Duke show with us two. Except your legs are shorter than mine. ;)

Some GF oats suppliers online:

http://www.glutenfreeoats.com
http://www.giftsofnature.net
http://www.creamhillestates.com

Bob's Red Mill now offers GF steel-cut oats that are prepared in a dedicated facility, so you can check their website to learn more.

Oh, you know what?  I'll bet I saw those when I bought the "old fashioned" variety I bought, because I saw some variety that was, like, twice as expensive (same brand, Bob's Red Mill), and I couldn't figure out what the diff was!  They were both organic, yet this one said "old fashioned" and I think that one did say "steel cut" and I vaguely recall thinking:  It better be cut with diamonds for that price!
;D

Seriously, they had several varieties of Bob's Red Mill oats, so I'm sure the GF variety was in the mix somewhere.  I sure hope it was, anyway.  I will check next time.

My HFS is awesome now!  ...Watch WF finally move into the area now that my HFS has expanded and become so fabulous that I no longer shiv a git about WF coming here.  Now that I don't care and even kinda sorta don't want them to come and compete with my beloved HFS, they probably will show up.
Posted by: 260 (Guest), Thursday, January 17, 2008, 9:53pm; Reply: 321
have any gatherers started feeling any positive results? I must be going through a little detox..so I'm hoping there's light at the end of the tunnel haha
Posted by: Melissa_J, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 10:00pm; Reply: 322
I'm going to start making the fresh cheeses (farmer, ricotta, cottage) with goat's milk, now that I know how.  I think it would help give them a bit more flavor :)  If only I could find sheep milk, I hear it makes awesome ricotta.

I figure it will be even more beneficial, since goat milk is healthier than cow milk, and I'll still get all the benefits of the cheese.

Not to mention, swooning over the pot of heating milk...too much temptation there as I always loved the flavor and smell of warm milk.  I don't think there will be any such temptation with goat milk.  
Posted by: Brighid45, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 10:20pm; Reply: 323
I'd like to try making ricotta/paneer with goat's or sheep's milk too, Melissa. If you're able to find some and make a batch, please let us know how it goes.

I might order some oats from the glutenfreeoats site, and replace my oats and oat flour (one of my coworkers makes a lot of cookies and she can put the flour and rolled oats to good use). My next purchase will have to be a home mill so I can grind my own flours. For example, I'd like to work with amaranth flour more and either no one carries it or they run out all the time--and making my own is better anyway, the fresh flour or meal has more vitamins and trace minerals than the storebought stuff.

My parents worked with a two-year food storage plan that included owning a little home-sized mill. It's really nice to make your own flours and blends, and maintaining the grinding stones is simple once you know how to do it. Our mill could be used either with electricity or by hand. We preferred electricity! ;)
Posted by: Melissa_J, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 10:35pm; Reply: 324
I'd love to get an electric grain mill.  I have a hand-crank one that I never use.  I also have a grain flaker that I haven't tried yet, that will be fun (once I get off this milk making kick) Most of the grains keep better in whole form, and it would save a lot of money to buy them in bulk.  I still have very little food storage, especially the grains.

I've been kind of on a grain rotation diet so far, since I'm the main one who eats the breads and such that I make.  So I make a batch of quinoa tortillas, when those run out I make a batch of something from oats, then when those run out I make a batch of teff injera, the flax bread, etc. I haven't experimented much with millet yet.  Each batch lasts a few days.  
Posted by: Brighid45, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 11:49pm; Reply: 325
Those hand-crank mills can be real knucklebreakers, especially with larger grains or whole berries. The flakers are pretty cool though. We got spoiled with our electric mill. I think once someone borrowed it and ground a bunch of soft wheat too fast and glazed the stones, but we just ran a couple of bags of plain popcorn through and it got rid of the glaze. Mom never loaned it out again without supervision, though :)You have to let the stones cool down or the steam from the grinding process will make the flour into a rock-hard crust and it will glaze up the rough surface of the stones.

I made an experimental all-millet quickbread the other day with carob molasses as the sweetener. It came out looking and tasting almost exactly like brown bread--a bit dryer and more crumbly, but really good. I've been putting salmon salad and some grilled onions on a slice of this bread for lunch, with some spring greens on the side--pretty tasty!

Millet tends to make very dense, dry bread. I find it to be better in combination with other flours to lighten it up a bit. It has a very subtle taste. It can be a little on the sandy side, sort of like brown rice flour, but soaking seems to take care of most of that problem.

So far I like oat flour the best, especially in combination with ground flaxseed, but that's probably my natural predilection for oats coming out :) We always had oatmeal for breakfast in the winter when I was a kid, and Mom put any leftovers into her bread batches, where it lent a wonderful moistness and chewy, nutty flavor.

It's snowing here right now, so I might soak some oats tonight to have for breakfast tomorrow. Yummmm!
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Thursday, January 17, 2008, 11:50pm; Reply: 326
Quoted from Peppermint Twist

;D That's hilar!  The hunters are all out, in their tall, thin, intense way, hunting the big game, whilst us short, voluptuous gatherers are home picking wild berries and gossiping the day away!

The hunters need absolute silence in order to stalk their prey.  Us gatherers, meanwhile, are jawin' it up as we collect our fruit, nuts and seeds!



HAAAAAA!!!!!  ;D  I love this!!!!
Posted by: TypeOSecretor, Friday, January 18, 2008, 3:37am; Reply: 327
Quoted from Melissa_J


  I make a batch of teff injera,  


This is my next thing to try.  I had never eaten teff until January 2 this year.  I ate it as a hot cereal.  I was glad to see that the leftovers firmed up like a polenta.  I used the leftover in stir fries with onion, bell pepper, zucchini.

I think I will grind my teff in an old coffee bean grinder I have to make the teff flour.  I hope it works.  It works when I put quinoa in it to make flour.  I found a recipe in The Whole Grain Cookbook.  After you posted about making injera, I found a similar recipe here on the boards.  The only difference is the recipe here uses equal parts teff flour and water; my book calls for 1 1/4 cups teff flour to 4 cups water.  The recipe in my book says to ferment the dough for 3-4 days.  Do you have any trouble getting your dough to ferment?  Do you grind your own flour?  Does it end up tasting like a sourdough?
Posted by: Melissa_J, Friday, January 18, 2008, 3:55am; Reply: 328
My first batch, a year ago, didn't ferment at all after a week.  This time I used yeast in it the first time (1-2 teaspoons).  Then I saved 2 tablespoons as starter, in the refrigerator.  The second batch turned out much better and fermented faster, no yeast, just the starter.

I just eyeball the water now, my first batch didn't have enough, so I added more after trying to make one with it. It should be quite thin so you can just tilt the pan to get it evenly coated.  I don't know if mine are authentic, since I've never seen them before, but they get a few bubbles in them as they cook, and the top kind of dries out and cracks, looking like a parched dried up lake bed.  They taste best with something spicy and saucy on top, definitely savory, never sweet.
Posted by: Melissa_J, Friday, January 18, 2008, 4:14am; Reply: 329
I don't think it's supposed to crack on top, but I can't tell if the pictures I'm seeing on google are injera made with teff and wheat, or just teff.

It looks like you could mix in some barley flour to experiment.  My all-teff ones probably wouldn't work to eat with your hands with anything on top, I use a fork.  Oh well, I like it.
Posted by: TypeOSecretor, Friday, January 18, 2008, 4:33am; Reply: 330
My cookbook says they aren't easy to make, so if it doesn't work to dissolve 1 T yeast and 1 tsp. honey into 1/4 cup lukewarm water and allow it to work until frothy.  Then mix and proceed as directed, so you did it right.

I have another book that talked about capturing wild yeasts, so tomorrow when it's warm outside, I'll mix the teff flour and water in a bowl, cover it with a very fine mesh cloth (to keep the bugs out) and put it outside to try and capture a wild yeast.  I'll bring it indoors at night.  I'll see if that works before I add commercial yeast.
Posted by: 260 (Guest), Wednesday, January 23, 2008, 11:04pm; Reply: 331
just out of curiosity..I got millet flour today..is that a superfood? or is just "millet" a superfood and its form changes its status?thnx!!
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