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Posted by: jeanb, Wednesday, December 19, 2007, 1:30pm
Believe it or not, I received the Genotype Book yesterday via mail from Chapters/Indigo.  WHAT AN INCREDIBLE BOOK!!!

Couldn't wait to read it and do the testing, it appears that I am an Explorer (O non +) ring fingers on both hands long (1 cm longers than index), longer torso, long upper legs in relation to lower legs),  my husband is a Warrior (A sec +) long ring fingers, short body, long legs.

I think my sons (still need to do measurements) are either Hunters or Explorers.  Oldest Son is O sec +, Youngest Son is 0 non + both have long ring fingers.  

Interesting how blood type slides quite nicely into Genotyping.  Hunters = 0's others are mixed.  

Really interesting information about in-utero conditions that set your footprint.  My mother smoked and drank right through her pregnancies.  She always said that she added exactly 12 lbs to her 100 lb frame with each of her pregnancies and she could slip into her prepregnancy clothes within 12 hours of giving birth.  My sister was a premie at just 5 lbs, and she started having weight problems while in elementary school, now she suffers from high blood pressure, early stage of diabetes, and high cholesteral.  She is only 49.  (A-).  

My brother and I have weight issues, but we fight it with exercise and food.  It gets more difficult every year.  Both of us have nasty allergies that can get out of control when we are not well fed.  

I always thought the weight/diabetes thing came through my father's side, but now I have an inkling, it might be related to my mother's "habits" during pregnancy.  

Haven't read up on the food choices thoroughly yet...Warrior looks similar to A sec, Explorer is really different, where in God's name am I going to find goose eggs!!!



Posted by: dirrty_blonde_mp, Wednesday, December 19, 2007, 2:59pm; Reply: 1
Im a little confused on this new book - is it mixing in with the blood type diet or is it completely new? sorry ive been away from the forums for a while since ive had insane school/exams lately, but now that im on holidays i came on was like what?? a new book???
Posted by: BuzyBee, Wednesday, December 19, 2007, 4:09pm; Reply: 2
From the little bit I have read it looks like I am a warrior.
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, December 19, 2007, 4:23pm; Reply: 3
While you are waiting for the book did you read Martha's blog: GenoTypes and Blood Types?
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, December 19, 2007, 10:07pm; Reply: 4
Quoted from jayneeo
wellllllll.........I am so jealous.. ::)....I checked out the genotype site and under recipes, I was surprised to find a vegetarian recipe for the gatherer...(me) and surprising as that was....I was thrilled, actually.

But did you notice that the Asian Vegetable Stir-Fry recipe was also listed as being OK for:

Hunter
Gatherer
Explorer
Nomad

Posted by: Don, Wednesday, December 19, 2007, 10:24pm; Reply: 5
Also note that the Grilled Steak with Red Onion recipe is OK for those same 4 blood types:

Hunter
Gatherer
Explorer
Nomad
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, December 19, 2007, 10:40pm; Reply: 6
::) huh....cornstarch and dark sesamoil for me ??) :P yiikes I think I've to go to the WC only of thinking about ;)......
and a grilled steak :o :o :o....hmmmm stopped eating beef since zillion of years....coz of the same problem named above (the quick kathrin :-/ )
have to look at this without feeling too (shrug)(huh)(think)(whistle)
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, December 19, 2007, 10:42pm; Reply: 7
That will be a major shock if it turns out that cornstarch is OK for Hunters, Gatherers, and Nomads since those should be primarily type O, B, and AB.

I suspect that is just an oversight or they ignored it. They may not be used to using the substitutes such as arrowroot that regular BTDers use.
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, December 19, 2007, 10:53pm; Reply: 8
The Barbecued Burgers recipe has bread crumbs, ground pepper, and hamburger buns, whole wheat. That can't be right.

It is listed as OK for Hunters (O), Gatherers (O,B), Explorers (any) and Nomads (B,AB).

Didn't I read that eDiets has similar problems with their BTD recipes?
Posted by: Dr. D, Wednesday, December 19, 2007, 11:58pm; Reply: 9
They are still working out some kinks. Give it a day or two.
Posted by: Dr. D, Thursday, December 20, 2007, 12:41am; Reply: 10
Hi all,

I loved seeing the posts about the book.  The real pub date is December 26, and we at NAP are prohibited from selling it until then.  We've been encouraging everyone to pre-order through Amazon and B&N online, as it really is the most efficient way to get the book asap, other than to head into the bookstores on the 26th.  Interesting about Chapters/Indigo...

I can address a lot of the issues about the menus/meal plans on the new genotypediet.com site.  The site has "soft-launched," meaning that it is up and running and we are finding out lots of programming issues that would result in Type A warriors getting a steak recipe!  I am collecting all of these issues and sending them on to our partners who are programming the site so that these can be corrected.

Bear with us on this, and please feel free to email me with any queries you have.  It's going to take a few days or so for us to get the kinks worked out, but I think it will be well worth it!

The book looks great!  It's been an incredible journey witnessing Peter's process as he researched this material as well as having the opportunity to participate in many aspects of the book and the website development.  We are hard at work at NAP, finalizing all the companion products, support materials, and establishing some new systems for GenoType.

Thanks for all your good wishes, for your enthusiasm and support, and for being part of this very special moment in time.

Wishing you a splendid holiday and many blessings in the new year!

Martha
Posted by: medavida, Thursday, December 20, 2007, 3:04am; Reply: 11
Quoted from jeanb
where in God's name am I going to find goose eggs!!!


Most cities have a china town, or some kind of asian market.  You may be able to find some there.  Or go to Asia, you are just as likely to get a goose egg as chicken egg when ordering out.  They usually do not differenitate between the two. :)
Posted by: jeanb, Thursday, December 20, 2007, 12:42pm; Reply: 12
I did my measurements over again last night (leg measurements) and found my lower leg is slightly longer than upper leg, so on a redo I am a Hunter.  

I am curious why a publisher would release a book on December 26 rather than before Christmas.  
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, December 20, 2007, 1:18pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Dr. D
Hi all,

I loved seeing the posts about the book...The [Genotypediet.com] site has "soft-launched," meaning that it is up and running and we are finding out lots of programming issues that would result in Type A warriors getting a steak recipe!  I am collecting all of these issues and sending them on to our partners who are programming the site so that these can be corrected.

Bear with us on this..It's going to take a few days or so for us to get the kinks worked out, but I think it will be well worth it!

:D Hi, Martha!!!  I love your narration of the youtube Genotype Diet learning modules!  I just want to respond to your post to say that a few days or so to work out the kinks of an entire new web site is totally understandable!  Where I work, we recently added a program to a suite of programs we have that are all part of one software company.  IMHO, both the software company (as in, their service/support) and the software itself (as in, the primative, poorly-designed programs) are horrible and anytime we even have an update to the software or a new version, chaos ensues.  But to implement this whole new program of the suite, we had to completely shut down the "production environment" for the entire suite, including the program that I work in, for MONTHS.  It took several (4) full-time people every working moment of those months, as well as several of us who were not involved in the project full-time to help out, in order to finally get the thing up and running a week ago, and the entire suite is now back up.  Again, I'm talking several MONTHS of downtime for the entire system.

So a few days to get an entire new site up, running and debugged/dekinked is totally understandable and admirable!!!  We can certainly bear with you, as the book isn't even out yet, but however long it takes to get the site worked out, we will be patient because we know how well this BTD site is programmed and run, so we're glad to give all the time and space needed to get the new site to follow in that legacy.

Have a great holiday!  Christmas should be interesting at Chez D'Adamo, because it is not only Christmas but also "Genotype Diet Eve"!!!

Merry Christmas to all, and to all a Happy Genotype Diet Eve!


Posted by: mikeo, Thursday, December 20, 2007, 4:10pm; Reply: 14
for children, you should wait till they have stop growing to figure out Genotype

Posted by: Vicki, Thursday, December 20, 2007, 5:39pm; Reply: 15
I think this belongs here:

Quoted from Dr. D
We'll have kid tables in due time. In the meantime, I'll publish a patch that uses blood type and the strength-testing components to let parents have some sort of insight.



Posted by: SquarePeg, Thursday, December 20, 2007, 7:19pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from jeanb
-snip-
I am curious why a publisher would release a book on December 26 rather than before Christmas.  
Maybe because no one in his right mind would decide to start a diet right before Christmas!  :)  It's timed perfectly for New Year's Resolutions Day.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, December 23, 2007, 4:52am; Reply: 17
Quoted from jeanb
I am curious why a publisher would release a book on December 26 rather than before Christmas.  


I cannot speak to why, but it is not an unusual date to release books on. On Amazon, I noted in the "diet" category alone there 21 books being released on December 26th.



Posted by: 547 (Guest), Monday, December 24, 2007, 11:58am; Reply: 18


I just received my copy of the GTD!!! Yess!!!!  ;D  ;D

Okay, I will start reading and measuring today!!!

Hhhmmm reading the chapter of Teacher, I think I am one...

Will tell you later, in case you are interested...  ;)  ;)

Cocky  8)
Posted by: Dr. D, Monday, December 24, 2007, 2:47pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from 1750
Did the Geno-type research directly refute any of the blood type research or did it fully support the blood type findings and simply further define those findings?

I know this is a 'duh' question, but I would like to hear the answer.


Very little 'direct refutation'. I think the filmed lectures get into it a bit...

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=GenoTypeDiet
Posted by: Lloyd, Monday, December 24, 2007, 5:10pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from 1323


Any chance an  A would be able to eat meat after he was tweaked into the correct geno type?


Teachers (GT3) get goat or mutton a couple times a week.  ;) Plus Emu and Ostrich, which are meat-like birds.

Explorers get a bit more. Warriors are mainly 'stuck with fish'.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Monday, December 24, 2007, 5:14pm; Reply: 21
Wow. An A eating goat or sheep. weird.  
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, December 24, 2007, 5:50pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from 815
Pepperminttwist, you're not leaving the BTD behind. Dr. D. said the BTD is still the most important part of his research.

:K) Yay!  It's just weird to think of making such a big changaroo after TEN years.  The BTD is in my blood, no pun intended.  I know sometimes I go haywire and plunge into avoids, but normally, when I'm on my game, you can't tear me away from the BTD.  What IF my genotype's diet per the new book is all WEIRD-like?  For example, on the Genotype Diet website, the sample dish for Gatherers is a vegetarian stir-fry with "lite soy sauce" added.   :o  Where to start, where to start?!  At least it didn't contain wheat or corn, although, wait, "lite" soy does usually contain wheat--but apparently they are still tweaking the recipes, the site is not officially ready for prime time.  And, anyway, I could add a little meat, leave out the soy sauce, and be fine.  ...But if that lite soy sauce isn't in there erroneously, I still won't choose to have it.  And what if there are a lot of things like that, a lot of differences between my BTD type's food recommendations and my GTD type's?  Not that I even know I am a Gatherer yet, but of course I'm already assuming *lol*!!!  What if I loathe my genotype?  What if I'm an "x" trapped in a "y"'s body?!  Hey, if it can happen to people with gender, why couldn't it happen with genotype?  And don't you just know I'd be the one it would happen to *lol*?

...I would make SUCH a terrible Buddhist.  I'm just not a big fan of change, in any way, shape or form.  I'm not good at dealing with it, let alone accepting it.
;D

What if I'm a Warrior trapped in a Gatherer's body?!  I've got some of the traits of Warriors.  And that's just one example of things on my list to worry about!

Oh my gosh, oh my gosh!

Chicken Little, OUT!
Posted by: C_Sharp, Monday, December 24, 2007, 5:52pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from 815
Wow. An A eating goat or sheep. weird.  


Goat, lamb, and mutton are all neutral for A nonsecretors on the blood type diet, have not looked at what happens with the genotype diet.

Posted by: northstar, Tuesday, December 25, 2007, 8:34am; Reply: 24
Hello everyone!

Guys, what are you complaining about?I have to wait till January 7th
to get my copy. Even then there is no guarantee it will arrive
in time. (dissappointed)

That's what comes from living in Tokyo!!!!!
After seeing the video and reading the sample chapter, I've
been dying to read this book.(angel)

Something to look forward to next year!
By the way, according to Chinese astrology, 2008 is the Year of
the Mouse/Rat.
Posted by: Lloyd, Tuesday, December 25, 2007, 5:08pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from Amazone I.
;D ;D ;D Lloyd...and what will happen for explomad's ??) I feel as I am a mix of explorer and nomade.....yummy foods here to be to expected......tirili..tirila..tiriloo..ooo (dance)(smarty)(cool)
(have to compare with lr4yt and my newest personal guyde for healthy nutrition )(ok)(ok)(happy_gangsta)


Isa, there are no 'mixes'. You will be what you are, not part one and part another.

Explorers can choose among calf liver, lamb, goat, mutton and rabbit 2-3 times/week. Beef is available as a neutral. Lots of poultry as well, including the red meat ostrich, and emu, 1-3 times/week.
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, December 25, 2007, 6:41pm; Reply: 26
thanx Lloyd, so I'll be an explorer with nomadic racines ;) ;D :K) ...ooooh yess I just love ostrich...but can't support any
beef :'(......and yep...here no doubt... I am realy assymetric :-/ (shhh)(think)(whistle)(sleep)

btw....2004 I measured my fitness and it came out: 82%.... oooh wew I never thought that this is possible....now the swami result is: drum rolls please at the age of 50: 82% (oh)(oh)(woot)(evil)(blush)(wiseman).....that's it what once upon the day Robert told me about my adrenal glands...loads of energy ;) ;D .......who wants to have a bit ??)...have something to share ......(happy)(hehe)(smarty)
Posted by: drgnwng1, Tuesday, December 25, 2007, 9:24pm; Reply: 27
Come on you are joking right? We don't really have to eat emu's and stuff right? I can eat beef and chicken and turkey but not goats and stuff.
Jean
Posted by: Vicki, Wednesday, December 26, 2007, 4:31pm; Reply: 28
Once you get the book, measure twice, think once :-)

Any one of us could squeeze into any of the 6 categories based on description alone.  The descriptions are just analogies.  The truth is in measuring and testing to find out your actual genotype.

Posted by: Lloyd, Wednesday, December 26, 2007, 4:44pm; Reply: 29
Reading the book will clarify alot of things, at least it is fairly clear to me.

I also wonder if Dr D will update any of the Health Series books at some point, that is a good question.
Posted by: 12 (Guest), Thursday, December 27, 2007, 4:01am; Reply: 30
I hope everyone is enjoying it as much as I did!!!!   ;D
Posted by: Rodney, Thursday, December 27, 2007, 4:23pm; Reply: 31
Has anyone noticed the big black dots behind some of the avoids in the food list chapter in the back of the book? I  missed reading what this means I guess ??)
Posted by: Lloyd, Thursday, December 27, 2007, 4:43pm; Reply: 32
Rodney, it is in the front of the chapter. They are foods that only need to be avoided for 3-6 months after starting the diet, or while trying to lose weight or solve health issues. Other than that they may be used in modest amounts. I would guess that to be no more than, say, once a week to once a month. It probably depends on the individual.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, December 27, 2007, 5:47pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from Lloyd
Rodney, it is in the front of the chapter. They are foods that only need to be avoided for 3-6 months after starting the diet, or while trying to lose weight or solve health issues. Other than that they may be used in modest amounts. I would guess that to be no more than, say, once a week to once a month. It probably depends on the individual.

Wow, what a great, helpful, user-friendly way to break down avoids, I love it!  I think it is meant to be like the tiers of yesteryear, only this way of categorizing things is much clearer and more user-friendly.

The more I hear about the Genotype Diet, the more I can't wait for mine to get here!

Posted by: 312 (Guest), Thursday, December 27, 2007, 6:01pm; Reply: 34
PT, if you truly are a gatherer, you would need to avoid sunflower seeds during weight loss, or intial diet of 3-6 mos.  Then they are allowed occasionally, like a neutral I believe.....but I really need to read some more.....I think I am a gatherer, almost positive.  But I haven't done all the calculations.
Posted by: Lloyd, Friday, December 28, 2007, 2:11am; Reply: 35
Quoted from 319
I question my results, It shows me as a hunter do to my torso being longer than my legs, my lower legs clearly longer than my upper legs, and my ring fingers  longer than my index and an o pos secreter, I cant possibly be a hunter  I am short very large boned heavy since day 1 and a clear endomorph, when I did  the strength testing the book advices i tested extemely low for hunter. I have an odd body shape with very short  upper legs which cause me to waddle like a duck, not very hunter like, what could be the problem? and which genotype should I try to follow? I am a bit dissapointed by the this THANKS!! Any suggestions appreciated.


Double check your ring finger measurement. If it is correct you are clearly a hunter from a GenoType standpoint, no matter how you may feel about it. O+ males with long ring fingers are default Hunters as it turns out.

Posted by: angel, Friday, December 28, 2007, 3:06am; Reply: 36
Question I asked earlier when I went the website yesterday, I did not see anything about a free trial. Anyway I had done most of the measurements anyway via the info videos through itunes. the others were not that hard to figure out. I came out as a gatherer, but is it true that I can have more grains and dairy, and giving up seet potatoes and plums( after I worked really hard tog et two jap. plums planted. I know the diamonds are super food for ideal wt and body mass. the dots are food temporarily given up for 3-6 months and added in slowly once a week or month. But help me understand why I may eventually be able to enjoy cucumbers, broccoli (I may have to give up??? I like broccoli and haven't had too many problems with the tatse unless it is bad.) and avacado .Does this supercede the LR4YT and the health series books what about the wheat in some of the meal plans offered, do allergies and reactions still precedence over super good and limited foods. My book is on back order like everyone elses from amazon.
FOr kids do we just apply LR4YT if we know BT/ RH and secretor status?
Posted by: OSuzanna, Friday, December 28, 2007, 3:22am; Reply: 37
angel, I believe allergies and bad reactions still should keep you away from particular foods, at least for a time, like a few months, after which maybe you could try the problematic things, one at a time, so the guilty parties are obvious..
Posted by: Lloyd, Friday, December 28, 2007, 4:09am; Reply: 38
It looks like Gatherer or Explorer from the advanced calculator, depending on finger lengths. You might strength test those two if you can't get a reliable finger measurement. If you want Explorer, root for longer ring fingers on both hands.
Posted by: OSuzanna, Friday, December 28, 2007, 5:43pm; Reply: 39
Okay, I'm up again, back on the trail of the elusive genotype. I'm either explorer or gatherer. I'm over the panic re: the food, once I remembered the unlisted ones are neutral. Whew.
Oh, and the whining was the same when I found out I was a nonnie, all crying & thumb-sucking ;) ::)
The oddest thing. The small ruler I found in a jar of paintbrushes, pencils, etc., has a heat-impressed notch at the exact length of my index fingers. Is that weird or what. I wonder what project caused it to be put there. Could have been me, for all I know. After all, it is in my art supplies.
The variation in finger lengths is coming from how firmly or gently I nestle the ruler into the webbing between my fingers. So I guess the trick would be to use the same pressure each time. Way to go, Captain Obvious.
I don't think I've ever bookmarked and underlined in a book as soon into ownership as I have with this one.
I'm also going to back off alot with the helpfully-meant advice, til I get my feet under me abit more vis a vis the new dietary info.
I like that Dr. D isn't shy about "talking science" in this new book. :) ;D
Posted by: jayneeo, Friday, December 28, 2007, 5:53pm; Reply: 40
AC....exp. and gath. don't get to have plums, but huns. can have infreq....you do have your book on order, don't you?
Posted by: 12 (Guest), Friday, December 28, 2007, 6:07pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from OSuzanna
Oy. If the clinic wasn't closed for the week I'd drive down there & insist on Dr. Natalie or somebody there measure me themselves & tell me, my brain hurts.
Back to the drawing-board. Sigh.


Awwww...  If your Torso > Total Leg Length; your Upper Leg > Lower Leg; and you are an O+ non-secretor - then you can only be either an Explorer or a Gatherer. The determination of you being an Explorer rather than a Gatherer is dependent on your ring fingers on both hands being longer than your pointer fingers.

Have someone help you with measuring your fingers.  Placing a piece of paper on top of your finger perpendicular to the ruler can help you determine the exact measurement....

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, December 28, 2007, 6:22pm; Reply: 42
Quoted from 12
Awwww...  If your Torso > Total Leg Length; your Upper Leg > Lower Leg; and you are an O+ non-secretor - then you can only be either an Explorer or a Gatherer.

:o  Sweet mother of pearl!  I can tell you right now, sans measuring anything that my body is like a fun-house mirror distorted reflection!  My torso is loooooooooooong and my legs are stuuuuuuuuuubby.  My upper leg is longer than my lower leg.  I haven't measured, but it is.  Heck, Howie Mandel's hair is longer than my lower legs.  Howie Mandel has no hair, you say?  Well, I rest my case!

The Gatherer Genotype is closing in all around me.  Everything is fading to black.  I'm melting, melting....what a world, what a world!
Posted by: 12 (Guest), Friday, December 28, 2007, 6:24pm; Reply: 43
LOL!!!!!!!!   :D
Posted by: Kristin, Friday, December 28, 2007, 6:40pm; Reply: 44
Quoted from Peppermint Twist

:o  Sweet mother of pearl!  I can tell you right now, sans measuring anything that my body is like a fun-house mirror distorted reflection!  My torso is loooooooooooong and my legs are stuuuuuuuuuubby.  My upper leg is longer than my lower leg.  I haven't measured, but it is.  Heck, Howie Mandel's hair is longer than my lower legs.  Howie Mandel has no hair, you say?  Well, I rest my case!

The Gatherer Genotype is closing in all around me.  Everything is fading to black.  I'm melting, melting....what a world, what a world!


You might be surprised when you do your own measurements. Since I have such long femur bones I thought there was no way that my lower leg would be longer than my upper. But it is. And... I thought that my torso would not be nearly as long as my leg length. Guess what... it's longer.  :o

The measurements are based on structural markers, such as the bony protuberance of the condyles which can be different than our general appearance makes it out to be. Rats... I'm not saying that very clearly, but you get the gist...
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, December 28, 2007, 6:53pm; Reply: 45
Quoted from Kristin
You might be surprised when you do your own measurements. Since I have such long femur bones I thought there was no way that my lower leg would be longer than my upper. But it is. And... I thought that my torso would not be nearly as long as my leg length. Guess what... it's longer.  :o

The measurements are based on structural markers, such as the bony protuberance of the condyles which can be different than our general appearance makes it out to be. Rats... I'm not saying that very clearly, but you get the gist...

I did think, as I posted my post, Edna, you don't know for SURE until you measure, because how you see your body is subjective and skewed somehow.

New prob:  what if you don't HAVE any bony protuberances, of the condyles or otherwise?!
Posted by: Gumby, Friday, December 28, 2007, 7:03pm; Reply: 46
Quoted from Peppermint Twist

New prob:  what if you don't HAVE any bony protuberances, of the condyles or otherwise?!


PT, you crack me up!  Every time you solve one problem, you sniff out a new one! LOL  (kind of remind me of me!)

As for the bumps...you'll find them, don't worry!  Might take a bit of firm palpating ;) here and there, but they will be there.  Even in places where there is no padding it might take copping a few serious feels before you are sure you have the right spot.  And, if you are like me, you will do said feeling and measuring a million times until you are SURE you have the right things.  (well ok most of my doubts.  maybe I will go measure again...LOL)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, December 28, 2007, 7:49pm; Reply: 47
Holy Highly Beneficial Foods, Batman, I think my book is gonna be at my house when I get home!!!!!!!!!!!

I just went to "track my package" and, while that whole thing remains WEIRD in terms of this order on Amazon (now the earlier info is gone and it only tracks it since yesterday), it was in Orlando, Florida as of 7:04 p.m. last night!  I'm only a few hours from there, in an undisclosed location in the Witness Protection Program (  ;D ) here in west central FL!  This means that, unless my book was sucked into the swirling vortex that is the gravitational field around Walt Disney World in Orlando, it should be at my house today, by my calculations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We'll get to the bottom of this chicken situation!*

* edited to add:  oh, I just realized I was referencing another thread there *lol*!  In another thread (I think it is "Gatherers Unite!"), they are tawkin' 'bout how Gatherers thrive on chocolate but should eschew chicken.

Meanwhile, chocolate repulses me and I subsist mainly on a curried chicken salad that my HFS makes.

It's a brave new world, starting as soon as I read that book, huh?

:o
Posted by: OSuzanna, Friday, December 28, 2007, 8:12pm; Reply: 48
Thank you, Dr. Natalie! :B
My love affair with minutiae (the measurements) got commingled with my conflicts over which diet I wanted to live with, I suppose. (No yellowtail? I'll die! :'()

I think I'm an Explorer.
How 'bout I "explore" the Gatherer diet? ;D :-/

I got stumped for a bit on exactly which bump below my kneecap was the right one. The video on utube helps alot. You do have to feel around for those bony protuberances, even when you CAN see them.

Hey at least I get to keep chocolate, and we know that's all I really care about, lol! ;D ::)
Posted by: 2151 (Guest), Friday, December 28, 2007, 8:40pm; Reply: 49
the website is asking for a card even for the "free" trial....

I signed up with my card and cancelled it within hours and I still have access to it for this week.  I'll still make sure my card is not charged at the end of the week, but everything looks fine so far.
Posted by: OSuzanna, Friday, December 28, 2007, 10:12pm; Reply: 50
Dr. D.'s genotype diets are rooted in the physical, proveable world, so by "abstract" I don't think he means disconnected from the material world....
Also, he developed the BTD further, not merely popularizing the diet.
I trust that he's not using us as guinea pigs - not in a bad way, anyway!
I wish I could help more!
Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, December 28, 2007, 11:25pm; Reply: 51
Quoted from OSuzanna
I wish I could help more!


This may not help either.

But at some point secretor status was added as refinement to the blood type diet. For me adding this refinement greatly increased the effectiveness of the blood type diet.  

I am looking forward to further refinements to my diet to enhance my health.  

If I did not feel that I need further improvements to my health I would just stick to the blood type diet.

Also if I do not find additional benefits from the Genotype diet after trying it for a few months, I will retrun to A nonsecretor which has greatly benefitted me(but not made 100% healthy).
Posted by: mikeo, Friday, December 28, 2007, 11:30pm; Reply: 52
here's my suggestion if you want to stay the course on your present non secretor or secretor BTD diets, you can but you have an added benefit with the Genotype diet.

If you bought the book and now know your genotype, I would look at any neutral foods on your BTD non secretor or secretor lists and see if they turn up on your Genotype super beneficial lists if they do, incorporate more of these foods in your diet...make sense?

it's like having best of both worlds
Posted by: Mercedes, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 2:42am; Reply: 53
I'm about 90% sure I'm a gatherer. And I'm not happy. I quite like BTD more than GTD. For Edna and other O gatherers... beef is now netural, turkey is beneficial. Canola and spelt and blueberries and kamut and mozza are out. Cottage cheese and goat are in. Pecans and almonds are better than walnuts. Mangos are neutral. My world has been turned all topsy turvy. I spent an hour perusing the book in Chapters.

As for th strength test of my gt, I only tested "positive" you can score between 6 & 20- the higher the score, the stronger your type. I scored a measely 6.

IF memory serves me right, any O with longer index fingers in a gatherer. My indexes are barely longer, but definitely longer, and I know I am O. Otherwise, my finger prints are virtually identical- on both hands, D's 1-3 are mirrorish loops, with 4&5 are mirrorish whorls. Apparently, my mom had a virtually strees free pregnancy with me. BUT, like I said, I BARELY passed positive. Does anyone know if that means I'll be better able to handle those infrequent neutrals??? What does being a weak type mean? (Like I said, I perused the book... and once I read the DRASTIC changes in diet, I put the book down, and actually walking half in a fog through the store for a while...)

Symmetry seemed to be for nomads, but my blood says I can't be a nomad... maybe I'm just a lucky to be symmetrical gatherer?

But my mom is definitely a gatherer, my brother likely is (be interesting to test him, because his pregnancy was terrible for mom) and Dad has obviously longer ring fingers than index. Plus before he got fat, he had much more chiseled facial features.

It's interesting stuff, but I'm scrunching up my nose at applying the diet changes....
Posted by: Don, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 2:44am; Reply: 54
I didn't say anything about the GTD not addressing weight loss, just that I didn't think that the GTD website would only be about weight loss.
Quoted from the above quote
...the right GenoType Diet will result in better health and vitality, at optimal weight.
Posted by: 12 (Guest), Saturday, December 29, 2007, 3:12am; Reply: 55
Quoted from 2151
...I have to wonder about the food lists Dr. D gave me this April when I went to see him again - for example, on my list it says that chicken was a superbeneficial, and the GTD book says it is an avoid.  What's a girl to do? Do I follow those, or do I now follow the ones in the book?   I know there are 7.5 billion different diets out there, and maybe chicken is superbennie for ME, but I would like to know what I should eat now!


Hi there.  The GenoType diet trumps the SWAMI you received at your last visit in April.  The GenoType diet is what we are now instituting with all of our clinic patients...   :)  Since you are pregnant your caloric intake needs change.  Also, since you are a clinic patient, please do not hesitate to call the clinic if you have a question we can help you with.   ;D
Posted by: Whimsical, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 3:32am; Reply: 56
I know for sure that my torso is longer than my legs and my upper legs are longer than lower, but...

I too have been extremely confused about my finger lengths!  At IfHI 2007, we measured by a slightly different method and my ring fingers came out clearly longer on both hands.  However, by following the method in the book, they are much closer in length to my index fingers, only about 1mm difference!  After measuring my fingers probably 100 times, it seems that my ring fingers are slightly longer, which would make me an Explorer.  I think the key is to relax your hand and to use your other hand (or someone else's hand) to do the measuring - this way you can avoid shoving the ruler down into the webbing, which I think might mess up the measurement.

Strength testing comes out very close between Explorer and Gatherer, but I think I am an Explorer.  This makes more sense for me considering I am definitely not an endomorph, rather ectomorph (at the most a meso-ecto).  I will have to remeasure and do some more reading tomorrow to be sure...
Posted by: Mary M., Saturday, December 29, 2007, 3:43am; Reply: 57
Hello Whimsical,

Are you Rh- or Rh+? I expect you are Rh+ as I am Rh- with all the same Torso/Leg measurments as yours and no matter what lengths my fingers are, it all comes out "Gatherers".

Cordially,
Margaret
Posted by: OSuzanna, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 3:43am; Reply: 58
Kate, glad to see another person who can relate to my 2,000 fingie measurements. I also had only a tiny difference & alot of Gatherer/Explorer mixed traits. I'm like you but I think I'm more muscular and probably shorter (& older & fatter).
This is gonna be one heck of a new adventure. ;)
Posted by: teri, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 3:48am; Reply: 59
Quoted from Don
I think the seemingly weight loss focus of the GTD website may end up being somewhat superficial and is an unfortunate result of Waterfront Media's (WF) diet website experience/history. However, be assured that Dr. D's focus is on health/disease avoidance and any and all Dr. D GTD shared knowledge, such as science articles and a GTD Ask Dr. D’Adamo section, will be on the GTD website. Therefore, the whole focus of the GTD website will not be on weight loss.

I think that WF has a learning curve to really understand the GTD/BTD way of thinking about diets and to understand the needs of the mix of types of people that will be attracted to it. Hopefully, they will learn and react quickly to input from Dr. D, Martha and her team, and the GTD website members


Thanks for your response, Don. Sounds awesome. I hope you're right and I look forward to seeing the website evolve over time to something less commercialized. I don't even mind the pay-per-week service for online genotyping and diet recommendations, etc., but for now it looks like it's only there for those who want to lose weight. I am going to give the online version a shot, though, and see what benefits there might be. Hoping that it's the next best thing to attending Dr. D's clinic personally.
Posted by: Whimsical, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 4:01am; Reply: 60
I'm Rh+, Margaret, but I don't see how with all the same measurements you can come out as a Gatherer unless your index fingers are definitely longer on both hands...

Yes, many measurements and many times watching the video...  I wish the technique were a bit more precise, since even the tiniest change in pressure or position makes it nearly impossible to tell which fingers are longer on me!  
Posted by: Mary M., Saturday, December 29, 2007, 4:10am; Reply: 61
Hi Whimsical,
I looked up the advanced tables in the back of the GTD book and being Rh- made the lock. No matter how long or short my index/ring fingers measured on either hand, according to the table I was a "Gatherer".

You being an Rh+ puts you on a different place on that table but you can still go to the advanced table/test and find out. It may be that the finger length may matter in your case.

Cordially,
Mary
Posted by: Vicki, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 5:03am; Reply: 62
Victoria, maybe you could simplify?  Instead of a ruler, try an index card and let me know how that goes for you!  :-)  Also, go from the crease at the base of the finger instead of trying to gauge how hard to prses down into the web.  One more, if they are both the same length, then the index finger wins.  
Posted by: jayneeo, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 6:20am; Reply: 63
get this: my left index finger is so crooked from arthritis that it seems shorter, but I think it wasn't  originally...... :o how's that for a dilemna????
Posted by: 2162 (Guest), Saturday, December 29, 2007, 6:44am; Reply: 64
Got my book today! I'm a Hunter. The finger print thing was the weirdest of all for me. I read the entire book in like an hour, then ran out to buy a stamp pad for finger prints. I've been doing ER4YT for years (not perfectly). I've tried from time to time to give up gluten. It's so hard! I go for weeks at a time and my body tells me it's not good when I eat bread. Anyway, this book comes and I start reading...I get to the finger print part and the white lines in your finger prints?? All 10 of my prints showed up with lots of white lines. So now I know and went shopping for rice flour. All in all, this is what I needed to kick me in the butt. I have to just say no to bread now.

Has anyone else noticed there are more food choices with genotype??
Posted by: Whimsical, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 2:42pm; Reply: 65
Quoted from Mary M.
Hi Whimsical,
I looked up the advanced tables in the back of the GTD book and being Rh- made the lock. No matter how long or short my index/ring fingers measured on either hand, according to the table I was a "Gatherer".

You being an Rh+ puts you on a different place on that table but you can still go to the advanced table/test and find out. It may be that the finger length may matter in your case.

Cordially,
Mary


That's the table I'm using...  So your torso is longer and your upper leg is longer?  And you are an O- non-secretor.  If so, and you used the tables on page 290/291, then I read that the only thing that puts you in the Gatherer category is that your index fingers are longer on both hands.  Any other finger length puts you as an Explorer.  I think we must be looking at different tables!

Posted by: Whimsical, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 2:50pm; Reply: 66
Quoted from Vicki
Victoria, maybe you could simplify?  Instead of a ruler, try an index card and let me know how that goes for you!  :-)  Also, go from the crease at the base of the finger instead of trying to gauge how hard to prses down into the web.  One more, if they are both the same length, then the index finger wins.  


Good idea about the index card - I held one between the fingers and just made marks where they came to and it does show that my ring finger is about 1mm (or less!) longer...  

At IfHI, we measured on the palm side of the hand from the crease, but I'm assuming the instructions were changed for a reason?  Maybe just to make things simpler.
Posted by: 260 (Guest), Saturday, December 29, 2007, 3:06pm; Reply: 67
Whimsical...so do you think going from the palm side where the finger creases is incorrect..because then my ring fingers are longer..or if I go between the fingers from the webbing like it shows in the book, my index fingers are longer...I'm so confused..and this is the determining factor for me  ??)
Posted by: Whimsical, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 3:17pm; Reply: 68
Quoted from 260
Whimsical...so do you think going from the palm side where the finger creases is incorrect..because then my ring fingers are longer..or if I go between the fingers from the webbing like it shows in the book, my index fingers are longer...I'm so confused..and this is the determining factor for me  ??)


I know, I am confused too...  Since the book and video both demonstrate going from between, I think that is more correct.  If you are in doubt, you can strength test each Genotype to see which fits you best and also read the descriptions.  

I strength test out pretty evenly between Gatherer and Explorer, but a bit higher for Explorer and reading the descriptions makes me think Explorer.  Combine all that with my ambiguous, possibly longer ring finger and I think I will settle on Explorer.
Posted by: Vicki, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 3:37pm; Reply: 69
I think you go from the side just like the book says and the video agrees, but make sure you go from the crease line when measuring from the side.  You can do both!

:-)

Include the rounded top of the finger.  I think that's one reason not to do it from the palm side...more likely to not count the whole tip.


Posted by: Gumby, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 4:56pm; Reply: 70
The way I have been measuring my fingers is with a see through 30cm ruler.  Makes it easy because I can hold my fingers together, slide it in between, hold my hand up to a window or other light, and just slightly move the middle finger to get it out of the way.  Then I can see the very tip right up against the little mm lines.  I found that when fingers are together, the webbing is not really a factor.  I just make sure the pressure is equal for each measurement.

Having said that this is a great method, it has not made me any less obsessive about measuring my fingers a million times! ;D  No matter what they measure though, the ratios are always the same.  So...I really need to stop measuring now. *lol*  Esp since the only I could be different is if I messed up my leg measurements too...and even then there is only ONE scenario that would make me something else.
Posted by: Kristin, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 5:48pm; Reply: 71
Quoted from 12


Hi there.  The GenoType diet trumps the SWAMI you received at your last visit in April.  The GenoType diet is what we are now instituting with all of our clinic patients...  


I think this is an important point. Are all past SWAMI reports no longer accurate? I thought SWAMI had been updated to include GenoType data......

??)

Posted by: Lloyd, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 5:51pm; Reply: 72
Quoted from Dr. D
SWAMI 1.6 (as is) was a junctional tool to span the gap between BTD and GTD. It also allowed us (in the clinic) to codify and analyze data from many individual cases. With other tools (the DDE; The Individualist; the ambrosial data tables) it was the bedrock behind the GTD.

As far as utility is concerned, I can only tell you what we are doing in the clinic, and that is, we are GenoTyping folks and supplying them with the GTD book. As Don said, there is a SWAMI GenoType about halfway complete (I'm looking at the code right now), so in time, we will migrate to that. However, the GTD book is a more powerful system than the current version of SWAMI.

However, the person who ran SWAMI on you will be supplied a code that will allow them to upgrade your printout to SWAMI GenoType when that is operational.

Posted by: sluggerbean, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 6:39pm; Reply: 73
I too am glad to see others who are still re-measuring the fingers.  I haven't been able to do the fingerprinting stuff yet. The finger length determines hunter/gatherer for me.  Just a couple of millimeter difference between the two.  :-/  Right now it looks like hunter, since most of the measurements lean that way.  My body type fits more with gatherer though as I am short and large-boned.
Posted by: 260 (Guest), Saturday, December 29, 2007, 6:44pm; Reply: 74
sluggerbean...are you planning on doing the fingerprinting because since your an O+ secretor and you already have done your other measurements...you can just flip to the back of the book to the advanced calculator
Posted by: sluggerbean, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 6:56pm; Reply: 75
I have done that.  Says that because ring fingers longer than index fingers I am hunter.  The differences between the lengths are only a couple of millimeters.  Just trying to be certain of the result.
Posted by: OSuzanna, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 6:58pm; Reply: 76
Yeah, if you have your torso/leg ratio, your fingers ratio and your blood type and secretor status, you're all set to look yourself up. From what I understand, the bone length ratios plus bt & secretor status are the deciding factors, with all that other stuff just human variations.

Who'd've thought we'd all be making ourselves crazy measuring our fingers?
Who'd've thought it would be this tricky?!!!
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 7:01pm; Reply: 77
I'm a type A positive secretor EXPLORER, I'm pretty sure I'm an explorer because of my lifelong intolerance to caffeine and the chemical sensitivity and detox issues I've always had..Many of the measurements lead me to Explorer, which now informs me that salmon (my high omega 3 protein staple) is an avoid for me and I must add calves liver, goat,lamb,rabbit and mutton as beneficial foods. Yes, I get to have turkey, but also emu, ostrich, partridge, pheasant, quail, squab.  I'm sorry to say this is going to be impossible to find these foods.

Most of the foods on the Explorer list don't appeal to me and I can't see myself obtaining foods that are so difficult to find....Here's my fish list ..bullhead butterfish, chub, croaker,cusk,drum, halfmoon, harvest,opaleye, sea beam, wolfish.. These are not common fish and not sure any fish monger around here sells them. I have high cholesterol...and I'm not so sure it's wise to eat calves liver nor does it sound appealing after being a semi vegetarian for
so many years..... I must also figure out how to find goose and quail eggs. The vegetables are easy to find but  I've never heard of many of the foods prescribed for my new "type"  Being a type A is far easier than being an Explorer A..  And I'm allergic to dairy proteins but should be eating ricotta and mozzarella cheese.  Only thing that slightly excited me was pine nuts and pecans now being beneficial.  Anyone ever heard of these oils I'm supposed
to be eating?  Babassu, camelina chia seed, herring oil oat oil, quinoa oil, tea seed oil?
The olive oil and hemp oil are  easy.

As for my fruits...where does one find canistel, carissa, natal plum, cloudberry, fejoa,
groundcherry, java-plum, lingonberry, mamey sapote, pawpaw, rowanberry, sapotes.

I don't know about this diet.I'm waiting for another person here to find out they too are an Explorer and see how they feel about their new food choices..  It's been 24 hours since I've read this book and I'm really REBELLING!  I also do not want to be a guinea pig.
Posted by: OSuzanna, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 7:13pm; Reply: 78
Remember, if you don't see it listed, it's neutral and you can have it, in case any of your faves are on the new "invisible" list.
Bullhead is a catfish. Think "catfish" and the image that comes to mind is what the bullhead looks like.
Ostrich and buffalo are usually available in my large chain grocery, Stop&Shop. I love ostrich, but it's a little pricey.
I've been feeling rebellious, too, but look forward to being able to have apples, apricots, tapioca & some dairy products I couldn't on the O+ non-secretor diet.
From my perspective, this is more liberal, tho I hate losing yellowtail, which had become my favorite sashimi! Ya know, since I never had it that often anyway, I think I'll just "not" give it up, since I've only had it a few times a year anyway.
This diet will be throwing a lot of previously dietarilly unrelated folks together, and should be a whole new world! I'm going to keep an open mind as much as possible.
AND if you're hands-down allergic to something, don't eat it.
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, December 29, 2007, 7:20pm; Reply: 79
apples for nonnies :o...that's what my roostersis Debra mentioned ...coz of NOT having loosed any weight....since I stopped eating my beloved apples...I DID loose... ;) ;D ;D(dance)
Posted by: Heidi, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 7:24pm; Reply: 80
Chloe are you sure your an Explorer? When I look at the lists I do not see that being possible with the info you mentioned (RH+ A sec.). But maybe I missed it.
Anyway, I agree that the fruits expecially are mostly things I have never even heard of. I am still going to pick and choose the foods I want, I don't feel like I have to eat everything on the list,  like it or not. You could not make me eat calf liver in a million years  :X
Posted by: 260 (Guest), Saturday, December 29, 2007, 7:27pm; Reply: 81
yea chloe it just might be your lucky day bc according to the advanced calculator you can't be A+ secretor and an explorer :)
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 7:37pm; Reply: 82
There was no other type that even looked like it came second...AND I'm not sure whether
I have to be a non secretor and rh negative to be an explorer because the information in the book implied that if you're a slow detoxifier and have no tolerance for caffeine, you are almost
always considered to be an Explorer.  AND it's funny, as a child my mother always gave me
calves liver because I was anemic. Explorers are also considered to have problems with
iron and anemia, I think i read...I also have great longevity in my family, plus everyone looks super young for their age...even people who died in their 90s.  So, that ruled out the types that were aging quickly.  I am broad headed...my ring finger is longer than my index finger.  I am a lateral thinker and visually simultaneous and all of this applies to an Explorer..but I have not done the prop tasting nor have I done the finger printing. My torso is longer than my legs.  And I would probably consider myself to be mesomorphic according to the book.  The book says "OFTEN" non secretor and "OFTEN" rh-negative to be an Explorer but doesn't insist I be.  And Explorer can be any blood type.

So, for now, I'm not eating anything different from my type A diet until I can be more certain.
Maybe a few more pine nuts, pecans and  apples. Not giving up wild salmon just yet.



Quoted from Heidi
Chloe are you sure your an Explorer? When I look at the lists I do not see that being possible with the info you mentioned (RH+ A sec.). But maybe I missed it.
Anyway, I agree that the fruits expecially are mostly things I have never even heard of. I am still going to pick and choose the foods I want, I don't feel like I have to eat everything on the list weather I like it or not. You could not make me eat calf liver in a million years  :X


Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 7:40pm; Reply: 83
Quoted from 260
yea chloe it just might be your lucky day bc according to the advanced calculator you can't be A+ secretor and an explorer :)



Is the Advanced calculator the FINAL word on typing us?  Because if you see on  page 148
in the Genotype book where it says that under "biochemical" for the explorer that it's
"OFTEN" non secretor and "OFTEN" rh negative...I'm now confused but I would be totally rejoicing
to find out I'm clearly something other than an Explorer!

Posted by: Gumby, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 7:43pm; Reply: 84
Yes Chloe I think the advanced calculator is the final word, according to my reading.  It says that it does not matter if you don't get a lot of strength testing points etc, it is your torso/leg, upper/lower leg, finger length ratios, and blood type info that tell the story.
Posted by: Mary M., Saturday, December 29, 2007, 7:47pm; Reply: 85
Hi Whimsical,

Thank you for pointing out that possible discrepancy. It's back to Barnes & Nobel to check those pages again. And this after I went and
bought cottage cheese and pineapple chuncks last night. Eating the
combo seemed like a little bit of heaven. Oh well,  I might still be right......

My book is in my city post office as of yesterday, so say Amazon.
Maybe today....

Cordially,
Margaret
Posted by: Mary M., Saturday, December 29, 2007, 8:48pm; Reply: 86
Hello Whimsical,
Thank God for children! My daughter pointed out to me that I was wrong in stating that you and I have the same measurements.
My Legs are longer than my torso by one+ inch and my upper leg is longer than my lower leg by about one inch, give or take, sooooo
I am indeed a "Gatherer" and my breakfast was so compliant: Lamb chops with a side of zuccini in Amy's Pasta sauce with Ricotta mixed in......now for some chocolate.
Thank you for catching my error and taking the time to let me know.

Now to go and gather some more compliant food.

Cordially,
Margaret
Posted by: sluggerbean, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 8:53pm; Reply: 87
I just re-read the Hunter information.  I had totally skipped over the detail-oriented part of the description!  I believe being obsessed with my finger measurements, making absolutely sure that I have them right, would be classified as "detail-oriented" possibly bordering on obsessive-compulsive. ;)

Guess I was right.  I am a Hunter. ;D
Posted by: Lloyd, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 10:09pm; Reply: 88
I think being within 2-3 mm may not work for a lot of people. The difference in my fingers is 1 mm on the left and .5 mm on the right. It doesn't take much error to change my results and type.
Posted by: Mercedes, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 10:28pm; Reply: 89
Llyod that's my point. IF they allow 2-3 mm for error, then .5m dif would be a tie. I mean, tip length could be affected by things like water retention. I'd think if they're *that* close, that would indicate a tie. And ties go to the index finger. So consider the strength test.
Posted by: drgnwng1, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 11:02pm; Reply: 90
My youngest is an Explorer
I am a Gatherer
My oldest and DH are both Warrior or Explorer since we know they are prob both A's but have no idea what the Rhesus is.

I think that if Beef is not listed nor listed as an avoid then it is a Nuetral right?
Jean
I need my beef.
Posted by: MyraBee, Saturday, December 29, 2007, 11:56pm; Reply: 91
Ostrich isn't so bad...but I know what you mean---I hate the thought of even eating Chicken or, especially, turkey!

I'll keep my (longer ring) fingers crossed for your hoped-for outcome!!  (pray)
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, December 30, 2007, 1:26am; Reply: 92
Hey I'm overwhelmed!  Just got the book and both hubby and I are anxious to get a clue as to what we are!  Where in the book is a good place to start for a basic idea ?

thanks!
Posted by: HigherGround247, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 2:05am; Reply: 93
Quoted from 1323
Hey I'm overwhelmed!  Just got the book and both hubby and I are anxious to get a clue as to what we are!  Where in the book is a good place to start for a basic idea ?

thanks!


since you have your rhesus and sec status it will be easy for you. i started with watching the GTD videos on youtube and then went straight to the advanced calculator in the appendix on pg. 290. just take your measurements like it says on the videos then flip to the pg. 290 and you should get your genotype fairly easy in a couple of minutes.
Posted by: Andrew, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 2:33am; Reply: 94
Quoted from Lloyd
I think being within 2-3 mm may not work for a lot of people. The difference in my fingers is 1 mm on the left and .5 mm on the right. It doesn't take much error to change my results and type.


Let us put this into perspective:

  1/16 inch = 0.0625 inches
       1 mm = 0.040 inches (approx)
  1/32 inch = 0.03125 inches
     0.5 mm = 0.020 inches (approx)

  
So the difference is less than 1/16" ? Maybe only 1/32". This seems just too close to make a major lifestyle / diet decision over.
There are just too many other factors here (from water retention, pressure on the webbing, exactly how/what to measure). Given the (in)accuracy of the means of measuring (rulers, index cards, eyeball) a 2-3 mm error/tolerance band is quite reasonable.

Don't let me stop the measuring fun, but a little perspective is suggested.

Hugs
  Andrew
Posted by: Lloyd, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 3:07am; Reply: 95
Quoted from Andrew


  Don't let me stop the measuring fun, but a little perspective is suggested.




I think my point is that many people will not be able to gauge which finger is longer even when the ring is measureably longer and thus cannot rely on a 'default' of the index 'winning'. If I use the logic that I can't measure that closely and therefore my index is longer, I become a Gatherer - that's what it comes down to.

With all due respect, the perspective here is not deciding that black and white is good enough when color is available.

The issue is whether or not a segment of the general public will be able to determine their GT in a reasonable fashion, given that it is a key measurment in the system. Fuzzy clusters aside, this measurement seems to be a very important key in the system. Assuming one wants optimal results, of course.

Granted, in my case both the Hunter and the Gatherer diets are O friendly, but they target different issues. Again in my case, while I am not free of Gatherer issues, my major focus areas (as I understand them and the diet at this point in time) are clearly those of the Hunter irrespective of how my fingers measure.

Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 5:31am; Reply: 96
Boy, can I ever relate to your post, Lloyd.  I feel like a Nomad, am a B positive nonnie, have green eyes and upper leg longer than the lower, but my torso is longer than my legs and my bones are small.

My fingers test out to be as close to the same length as possible, but every few times I measure, the ring finger on one hand is slightly longer.  I'm not willing to say that I'm an explorer, since nothing about my temperment points in that direction.
Posted by: Andrew, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 7:10am; Reply: 97
Quoted from Lloyd

...
The issue is whether or not a segment of the general public will be able to determine their GT in a reasonable fashion, given that it is a key measurment in the system. Fuzzy clusters aside, this measurement seems to be a very important key in the system. Assuming one wants optimal results, of course.
...


Sorry, I should have expanded my "a little perspective is suggested":

My perspective was that for differences of less than 1/16" between the finger lengths, the inaccuracies of measuring overwhelm the difference in finger lengths and that no verdict can be reached regarding this rather vital question.

I think that we are closer on this than it appears. If the determination comes down to a choice based on a minute measurement (i.e. less than 1/16") then "Houston, we have a problem."

It would appear from this thread that a decision on a choice between 2 lifestyles / diets may be based on a difference of less 1/16", for something that is not easily, nor accurately measured.

I do not know the science behind this, but at this time I think that we have missed / overlooked / misinterpreted something.

Your suggestion to consider other factors when the difference between finger length is very small, is logical and well considered.

In due course, I am sure that Dr. D or Dr. Natalie will be able to clarify the situation.

Hugs
Andrew


Posted by: Lola, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 10:04am; Reply: 98
yes, in fact, it answers many doubts
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1198956757/s-15/#num15
;)
Posted by: 547 (Guest), Sunday, December 30, 2007, 12:00pm; Reply: 99


Great metaphores Peter uses in explaining the strenghts and weaknesses.. Indeed a great explanation! An explanation I can use to answer questions of my patients!!  ;D

Just like the metaphor of the townhall meeting; always those 'talkative' councilmembers not leaving room for the more subdued members to 'express' themselves.. Yes!! And how you, yourself can 'programme' your silent genes to speak up!!  ;D ;D
Awesome!!

BTW I tasted Gouda cheese again since 8 years!! Sort of coming home....  ;) And yoghurt again with oats, currants, Harmoniapowder, honey..  ;D
For my Huntercompanion spelt is out now... :'( so I have to concentrate on baking bread of buckwheat, quinoa, ground flaxseeds and teff!! Have to find a tasty combi!! I would very welcome suggestions!!

Cocky  8)
Posted by: Dr. D, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 12:33pm; Reply: 100
Quoted from Andrew


Sorry, I should have expanded my "a little perspective is suggested":

My perspective was that for differences of less than 1/16" between the finger lengths, the inaccuracies of measuring overwhelm the difference in finger lengths and that no verdict can be reached regarding this rather vital question.

I think that we are closer on this than it appears. If the determination comes down to a choice based on a minute measurement (i.e. less than 1/16") then "Houston, we have a problem."

It would appear from this thread that a decision on a choice between 2 lifestyles / diets may be based on a difference of less 1/16", for something that is not easily, nor accurately measured.

I do not know the science behind this, but at this time I think that we have missed / overlooked / misinterpreted something.

Your suggestion to consider other factors when the difference between finger length is very small, is logical and well considered.

In due course, I am sure that Dr. D or Dr. Natalie will be able to clarify the situation.

Hugs
Andrew




I think we just have to trust to human nature on this one.

For example, margins of error. In general people will make the same degree of error throughout an endeavor. In other words, if you do cabinetry to a tolerance of 1/16 of an inch, you will work at that tolerance throughout the project. Others will work at 1/8" or 1/4" or whatever.

Since most of these measurements are relative indexes (comparing one number to another), these levels of tolerance remain fairly consistent. Perhaps the only thing I can add to the discussion is that our tests showed that with a small millimeter based ruler (and even the ones in the states have mm on one side), almost everyone was accurate within 2-3 millimeters.

Carried over, a D2 and D4 (each within a scope of +/- 2 millimeters) should do just fine. Other issues (like webbing) while not unimportant, were not seen as non-starters as long as the person did not separate the fingers in a wide, clonic or 'rigid' manner, and even then if they used the same technique (even an incorrect one) on both fingers, the results were still  pretty accurate.

Also, in evaluating the results from the clinic studies it was easy to see why ties (or even close neck and neck issues) should go to the index finger. True androgenic types have way longer ring fingers; a distinction often obvious enough to preclude a  any need for measurement whatsoever. My personal take on this is that while there are thousands of estrogenizing xenobiotics (man made chemicals) in the environment, there are not too many xenobiotic androgens in the environment. Again, pure supposition, but I feel that rather than lengthening D2, these estrogenizing xenobiotics shorten or stunt D4.

In English subtitles:

In doing the measurements, it is more important to be consistent than accurate. If you are accurate you can be right for the right reason. If you are consistent, you can not only be right for the right reason, you can be right for the wrong reason as well.

Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, December 30, 2007, 2:45pm; Reply: 101
Well we haven't done our measurements yet but it looks as though hubby A is a Teacher and I am completely in the dark wobbling 50/50 between Explorer and Hunter.

So the measurements will reveal all hopefully.  The thing is, is that I have ALL the issues listed for the hunter when it comes to inflammation, etc., and the food feels right except for the fact the food lists show I can have coffee if I am well.  

So that brings up the more important issue here which is since I have osteoarthritis do I still follow the BT Arthritis Book Food lists?  Or stick to the superfoods and diamond foods in the Geno type Book?  

I mean are we replacing the BT lists now with the GT lists?
Posted by: Beckyb, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 3:03pm; Reply: 102
Great questions, funkymuse. I'm wondering the same thing.

Martha says we can e-mail questions to Dr. D - what e-mail address should we use for this purpose? Do we use "Ask Dr. D" on the Home page?

By the way,I ordered a copy of the GTD for my mom from Overstock.com and it arrived around December 13th!!

My Mom and I had fun taking our measurements over the Christmas break. Lots of exciting things to look forward to :)
Posted by: Lloyd, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 3:14pm; Reply: 103
Quoted from Dr. D


In English subtitles:

In doing the measurements, it is more important to be consistent than accurate. If you are accurate you can be right for the right reason. If you are consistent, you can not only be right for the right reason, you can be right for the wrong reason as well.



Without having run the numbers, it seems to me that even small differences in D2 and D4 (such as .5 mm) are statistically significant (for the purpose of determining which is longer) assuming consistent measurement technique. A casual (rather than rigorous) observation without knowledge of error distribution curves or directionality of error suggest a reasonable confidence level on the order of roughly one standard deviation. For larger differences (say 1 mm) the confidence level is obviously much higher.
Posted by: Whimsical, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 4:07pm; Reply: 104
In my case, if I use the shown technique and ties go to the index, I am a Gatherer.  

What would you do if you typed a patient as one type, but they identify better with another, both mentally and physically?  

I guess I'm kind of hung up on the description of the Gatherer, because I am nowhere near an endomorph (more ecto-meso) - when I was a child I ate lots of junk I was always underweight, I am not "padded looking" (I have visible tendons), I don't have the molar cusp, I'm not an early adopter, I'm restless - not good at prolonged and concentrated brain work, and I don't put on weight easily (even when eating poorly and not exercising).   Even personality-wise, as much as I would like to be "sweet-natured", I don't think most people would describe me that way!  

The attributes of Explorer seem to fit me better: non-matching index fingers (while all my other digits match), spade-like incisors, sensitive to caffeine, liver issues, problem-solver, good memory, visual simultaneous, more athletic build, quirky.  When I strength tested, I came out stronger as an Explorer, but I'm not exceptionally strong for either.  

The finger-length measurement is the key thing here, and my ring fingers are not obviously longer.  I plan to double check that I am indeed Rh+, because if I am Rh-, that makes me an Explorer despite the finger lengths.  

Do the finger measurements trump all else?  What would you do at the clinic with someone like me?
Posted by: Gumby, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 5:02pm; Reply: 105
My hubby is a classic mesomorph and he is a gatherer.  I was unsure about it, but some things fit, particularly the high blood pressure in the family issues.  There is a lot that does not fit, but the measurements don't lie.  And if he sees me come at him with the tapemeasure again to check for the kajillionth time, he will have me committed. :D  
Posted by: Gumby, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 5:04pm; Reply: 106
Sorry, forgot to add Kate that I feel for you in having one close measurement hing on the difference!  That would make me crazy.  We were lucky because the finger length did not turn out to matter in the charts.  Which made me feel a LOT better.  Did not stop me from obsessively measuring them :B, but it made me feel better.  I hope you can get this sorted out soon for your peace of mind.
Posted by: Kristin, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 5:11pm; Reply: 107
My finger measurements are questionable too... I measured several times and even at the IfHI conference they had difficulty getting an accurate measurement. But I feel fortunate that for me, the finger lengths are not a determining placement factor. I am a nomad no matter what the measurements are.

Quoted from Victoria
Boy, can I ever relate to your post, Lloyd.  I feel like a Nomad, am a B positive nonnie, have green eyes and upper leg longer than the lower, but my torso is longer than my legs and my bones are small...


I really don't match much of the nomad body type characteristics either... except for the "extremely tall" one... and height perception is quite subjective anyway. But I am not a mesomorph, big boned, muscular, nor brachycephalic... in fact I am quite the opposite. But it seems the measurements, along with blood type, secretor and Rh status are the genotype determinants.  


Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, December 30, 2007, 5:13pm; Reply: 108
Well the shocking results are in!  What we thought we were, WE ARE NOT!

Hubby turns out to be a Warrior on the Intermediate testing and I'm a Gatherer on the Advanced testing.

NO matter what chart I look at, if my index fingers are longer, not matter what the other measurements are, I am a Gatherer.

Like Whimsical, I do not feel like an Endomorph.  I am more ecto-meso with small bones and tendons appearing.  

I have horrid inflammation issues - osteoarthritis... (which could be genetic from Mother); but that lead one to lean toward Hunter, and so on and so forth.

I'm completely at odds with some of the diet recommendations for the Gatherer.  I thought for sure, based on my current disease processes that I was a Hunter.  But my index on one hand is longer than the ring; and the ring and index on the other are the same length which defaults to the  index being longer.

Arggh!  I thought this was going to be an easy thing!  Wow... huge adaptations to make if indeed I am a gatherer.

As well, I can taste those damn bitter compounds in the greens!  Which also leans itself away from being a gatherer.  To get the greens down, I have to put Agave Nectur on them!   :o

If anyone has any thoughts or words of wisdom for me as I struggle to accept this 'gatherer' sentence (ha), please send um on... !
Posted by: Whimsical, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 5:20pm; Reply: 109
Quoted from Gumby
Sorry, forgot to add Kate that I feel for you in having one close measurement hing on the difference!  That would make me crazy.  We were lucky because the finger length did not turn out to matter in the charts.  Which made me feel a LOT better.  Did not stop me from obsessively measuring them :B, but it made me feel better.  I hope you can get this sorted out soon for your peace of mind.


All my other measurements are clear, so if it this hard to tell if my ring finger is longer, I guess that makes it a tie.  Which makes me a Gatherer.

Diet-wise, I don't really mind either - I gain some, I lose some both ways.  I just want to feel confident that I have the correct Genotype.  
Posted by: jayneeo, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 5:28pm; Reply: 110
well, funkymuse, I am a gatherer but have osteoarthritis bad in my hands, but the other issues  like diabetes, and whatever that go with gatherer run in my family, so, I'll just have to work on the hands as best I can....any ideas? (like what do you do?)
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, December 30, 2007, 6:42pm; Reply: 111
Quoted from jayneeo
well, funkymuse, I am a gatherer but have osteoarthritis bad in my hands, but the other issues  like diabetes, and whatever that go with gatherer run in my family, so, I'll just have to work on the hands as best I can....any ideas? (like what do you do?)


I don't know much about my family history.  My mom is full of osteoarthritis and lupus and there has been cancer... but no diabetes as far as I know.  

And in delving into the book deeper, it seems I need to really strength test and this brings me to a problem we had measuring my leg.

I have extra padding on my hips and upper thighs, so it is hard to find the ending measurement point.  When it comes to strength testing this measurement is crucial on the charts...

Can anyone help me with this issue about how to find where to stop the measurement at the top of the thigh since we cannot find the indentation that Dr. D. mentions in this test?
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 6:44pm; Reply: 112
Quoted Text
I can have coffee if I am well.

Quoted Text
I have osteoarthritis do I still follow the BT Arthritis Book Food lists?  Or stick to the superfoods and diamond foods in the Geno type Book?  

I mean are we replacing the BT lists now with the GT lists?

;)I believe you just answered your own question.....
Posted by: Gumby, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 6:50pm; Reply: 113
Quoted from 1323

Can anyone help me with this issue about how to find where to stop the measurement at the top of the thigh since we cannot find the indentation that Dr. D. mentions in this test?


I think it is more of a skin crease than an indentation at the top of the thigh.  Padding should not interfere with that...you might just have to scooch the end of the tape in there to get to the actual crease. ;)  Or, lift up the 'overhang' slightly lol.  That is what I did, to make sure I had the start of the tape right on the crease.  No digging required.
Posted by: drgnwng1, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 6:57pm; Reply: 114
I google legs and skeleton so I could see exactly what they wanted for the groove as well as watched the video. Even if I am off my upper leg is 4" longer then my lower so even an inch is no big deal for me. The lower I sat then stetched itand pointed and the top of the bone hurt when I hit it so I know it was the top.
Yep pick up the overhang and stick one end in that space and bring it down to the top of the groove. (lift ,stick and measure) :o
Jean
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, December 30, 2007, 8:08pm; Reply: 115
Well I measured the leg and found out some vital info.  In the strength testing due to my new leg measurement, I was to test for an Explorer and a Gatherer.  I'm scoring high in the Explorer division.  So I'm going to do the fingerprint test next.

It's so strange cause I'm not an O negative as many explorers are but I have many more of the Explorer physical traits than of the Gatherer.  So for now until I can get my fingerprints tested I'm going with the Explorer.

Plus alot of things in the Gatherer diet offend my tummy.
Posted by: 12 (Guest), Sunday, December 30, 2007, 9:15pm; Reply: 116
Quoted from Whimsical
In my case, if I use the shown technique and ties go to the index, I am a Gatherer.  

What would you do if you typed a patient as one type, but they identify better with another, both mentally and physically?  

I guess I'm kind of hung up on the description of the Gatherer, because I am nowhere near an endomorph (more ecto-meso) - when I was a child I ate lots of junk I was always underweight, I am not "padded looking" (I have visible tendons), I don't have the molar cusp, I'm not an early adopter, I'm restless - not good at prolonged and concentrated brain work, and I don't put on weight easily (even when eating poorly and not exercising).   Even personality-wise, as much as I would like to be "sweet-natured", I don't think most people would describe me that way!  

The attributes of Explorer seem to fit me better: non-matching index fingers (while all my other digits match), spade-like incisors, sensitive to caffeine, liver issues, problem-solver, good memory, visual simultaneous, more athletic build, quirky.  When I strength tested, I came out stronger as an Explorer, but I'm not exceptionally strong for either.  

The finger-length measurement is the key thing here, and my ring fingers are not obviously longer.  I plan to double check that I am indeed Rh+, because if I am Rh-, that makes me an Explorer despite the finger lengths.  

Do the finger measurements trump all else?  What would you do at the clinic with someone like me?


I think people are getting hung up on "fitting" a genotype.  To answer your question Kate, at the clinic, you would be placed on the diet in which you were genotyped into.  And since you are an individual in addition to being a Gatherer, your individualized health needs would be address to design a protocol for Kate the Gatherer...

BTW, I have seen plenty of lean and fit Gatherers.   :)
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, December 30, 2007, 9:24pm; Reply: 117
::) as being a warrior, sorry I don't have ansoft oval face, nor was I ok in childhood...I don't remember that well about childhood, I only remember that it seems I've got heartproblems, was a super tinny whatsoever...but nothing resembling to a human...and huh...beautiful...ahem very far from this ::)...
yess I was and I am still choleric :-/...I recognize one of my biig bad issues :'(...and I learned how to relax with *autogenes trainig* from massr Schulz and also visualizing ;)....I am not dolchocephalic... he put me into ...ahem what....something likewise a mops ....:-/ am I really mopslike ??) ...(evil)(hugegrin)(mad_geek).....AND I am really assemmetrical!!! bääääh !!!....fttt.....as being a nonnie, sorry I can't accomplish that I am looking older as I am ;) (evil)(evil)(evil)..... the contrary is truth :D....,and it seems that I am a bit overloaden with testosterones .... :D
yummy with that I can get 250 years old ;) ;D ;D ...laaaa.....
what I remarked is and was...when I go for toughy sports I get immediately musscles likewise a man...and I feel that I am a female...but  a bit larger in hips and back...AND I can't accept to move on malewise ::) arrgh...
and I do feel now...coz of being a little bit more familiar to all types...like a nomade...baaa....hh...
I will stick to my A2B nonniefoods...what else ??) ;) ;D....


hey.....all.... do you remember in lr4yt...that our beloved doc told us NOT to get....attached to ...whatsoever ;) ;D.....(ok)(hehe)(hehe)(hehe)(evil)eeehhh.....I'm getting stiff
here :-/
Posted by: Whimsical, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 9:27pm; Reply: 118
Quoted from 1323
Well I measured the leg and found out some vital info.  In the strength testing due to my new leg measurement, I was to test for an Explorer and a Gatherer.  I'm scoring high in the Explorer division.  So I'm going to do the fingerprint test next.

It's so strange cause I'm not an O negative as many explorers are but I have many more of the Explorer physical traits than of the Gatherer.  So for now until I can get my fingerprints tested I'm going with the Explorer.

Plus alot of things in the Gatherer diet offend my tummy.


According to the advanced tables in the back of the book, no matter what your measurements, it appears that if you are an O+ secretor, you are either a Gatherer or a Hunter.
Posted by: Whimsical, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 9:32pm; Reply: 119
Quoted from 12


I think people are getting hung up on "fitting" a genotype.  To answer your question Kate, at the clinic, you would be placed on the diet in which you were genotyped into.  And since you are an individual in addition to being a Gatherer, your individualized health needs would be address to design a protocol for Kate the Gatherer...

BTW, I have seen plenty of lean and fit Gatherers.   :)


Thanks for the reply - that is pretty much where I've settled anyway.  I'm lucky to have all possible information to input into the online calculator, and with that and my ambiguous fingers, I come out a Gatherer, albeit not a super-strong one.

Like I said, I'm going to double check that I am indeed Rh+ (since I found that out a LONG time ago!).  Looking at the food lists, the Gatherer diet seems to suit me better too, as I know that I am sensitive to sugar and high glycemic foods and I like lots of protein in my diet.  I am sad to have to downplay broccoli and kale, though, as I was eating both of those daily.  However, based on the Gatherer metabolism, it makes sense since those are possible goitrogens.
Posted by: jayneeo, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 9:38pm; Reply: 120
welcome, Kate! I truly think the gatherer diet is an appealing one. I have had cottage cheese twice this week....(I've missed it so) and the fish choices are quite favorable compared to the other type you mentioned. (sorry, whomever) this more finely tuned diet has given me hope for the weight loss that still needs resolving. (lucky for you , thats not your issue!)
Posted by: Gumby, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 9:47pm; Reply: 121
Quoted from Mary M.
Hi, Gumby,
Your description of attempting to measure your hubby again started my day out with a hearty laugh. Thank you.

Margaret


;D  The man has the patience of a saint...and yet, I push the envelope lol!
Posted by: Gumby, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 9:48pm; Reply: 122
Quoted from drgnwng1

(lift ,stick and measure) :o
Jean


Everytime I read this, Jean, it makes me giggle...especially the accompanying visual. :D
Posted by: sluggerbean, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 10:14pm; Reply: 123
I, too, used the online calculator to put in all the information I had.  Even with my very close fingers, I came out as a Hunter,even though I have large bones and am more of an endomorph.   :-/

I got to thinking about it and realized that I have had joint pain for several years, but I have such a high tolerance for pain that I simply ignore it most of the time.  My hip right now has been really hurting.  I didn't really notice it until after I stopped exercising and had put on about 15 more pounds, and after the last several visits to the chiropractor(I go every two weeks) where the hip has been out.  Plus, whenever I am not compliant(as has been the case for the past 2 1/2 months), my allergies really act up and I get sinus infections.  My allergies have been terrible the past few weeks. Before BTD, I had recurring sinus infections that didn't clear up.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that even though I have the obesity, high blood pressure, and family history of diabetes of the Gatherer; I have more of the symptoms of a Hunter who is seriously out of whack.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, December 30, 2007, 10:20pm; Reply: 124
Quoted from Whimsical


According to the advanced tables in the back of the book, no matter what your measurements, it appears that if you are an O+ secretor, you are either a Gatherer or a Hunter.


Yes but my index fingers are both longer than my ring fingers which would place me in the Gatherer catagory only.  

See Advanced Geno Type Calculator: Table Two

My Torso is longer than my legs
My lower leg is longer and/or equal than my upper leg
My index fingers are longer than my ring fingers.

Are you considered a Gatherer only?  If so, do the strength tests matter at all if you have been catagorized as a gatherer by the Advanced Tables - anyone?
Posted by: sluggerbean, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 10:23pm; Reply: 125
The strength tests really don't matter if you use the Advanced tables.  You are a Gatherer.  
Posted by: Whimsical, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 10:27pm; Reply: 126
Quoted from 1323


Yes but my index fingers are both longer than my ring fingers which would place me in the Gatherer catagory only.  

See Advanced Geno Type Calculator: Table Two

My Torso is longer than my legs
My lower leg is longer and/or equal than my upper leg
My index fingers are longer than my ring fingers.

Are you considered a Gatherer only?  If so, do the strength tests matter at all if you have been catagorized as a gatherer by the Advanced Tables - anyone?


So how come earlier you said you thought you were an Explorer?  I think you said you were going to strength test between Explorer and Gatherer?
Posted by: Whimsical, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 10:28pm; Reply: 127
Here it is:

Quoted from 1323
Well I measured the leg and found out some vital info.  In the strength testing due to my new leg measurement, I was to test for an Explorer and a Gatherer.  I'm scoring high in the Explorer division.  So I'm going to do the fingerprint test next.

It's so strange cause I'm not an O negative as many explorers are but I have many more of the Explorer physical traits than of the Gatherer.  So for now until I can get my fingerprints tested I'm going with the Explorer.

Plus alot of things in the Gatherer diet offend my tummy.


Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 10:30pm; Reply: 128
I was wondering is it my rh - that makes me an explorer  ??) cause when I change other stuff I still come out as explorer the only thing I haven´t added is fingerprints .
Posted by: Whimsical, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 10:30pm; Reply: 129
Quoted from sluggerbean
The strength tests really don't matter if you use the Advanced tables.  You are a Gatherer.  


The #1 best way to know what GenoType you are is to use the online calculator at GenoType.com.  There you can put in every possible piece of info you know and have it all considered!
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, December 30, 2007, 11:33pm; Reply: 130
Quoted from Whimsical


So how come earlier you said you thought you were an Explorer?  I think you said you were going to strength test between Explorer and Gatherer?


Because I was looking at the Intermediate Calculation Tables that said I should strength test for Gatherer and Explorer.

I'm still confused about it but when I read about the strength test points for a Gatherer and I'm very low... below 5, it says don't worry about it, that basically I'm still a Gatherer but I just don't show gatherer traits very well.  

So there you have it.  

I only really want to pin this down so I can eat the right things!  :)

If I go by the Intermediate tables and then strength test, I'm an Explorer.  If I go by the Advanced tables, I'm a Gatherer and my strength tests are weak... Dr. Colicci... what do I make of this?

thank you...
Posted by: Kristin, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 11:43pm; Reply: 131
Quoted from Henriette Bsec
I was wondering is it my rh - that makes me an explorer  ??) cause when I change other stuff I still come out as explorer the only thing I haven´t added is fingerprints .


Yes... depending on what your other measurements are too.

It seems that the 2 most common categories for B- secretors are explorers and gatherers....
Posted by: Whimsical, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 11:49pm; Reply: 132
Quoted from 1323


Because I was looking at the Intermediate Calculation Tables that said I should strength test for Gatherer and Explorer.

I'm still confused about it but when I read about the strength test points for a Gatherer and I'm very low... below 5, it says don't worry about it, that basically I'm still a Gatherer but I just don't show gatherer traits very well.  

So there you have it.  

I only really want to pin this down so I can eat the right things!  :)

If I go by the Intermediate tables and then strength test, I'm an Explorer.  If I go by the Advanced tables, I'm a Gatherer and my strength tests are weak... Dr. Colicci... what do I make of this?

thank you...


Aha...

I am in the same position, I strength tested for both Explorer and Gatherer and was a bit higher for Explorer.  However, the measurements are the most objective and important things, so if they say Gatherer, that is what you are!
Posted by: Don, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 11:50pm; Reply: 133
Quoted from 1323
what do I make of this?

I suggest you read the top part of page 95 and ignore the Basic and Intermediate GT calculators and only use the Advanced GT calculator since you know your secretor status. This will give you the best answer.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, December 30, 2007, 11:53pm; Reply: 134
Quoted from Don

I suggest you read the top part of page 95 and ignore the Basic and Intermediate GT calculators and only use the Advanced GT calculator since you know your secretor status. This will give you the best answer.


Thanks Don... that's what I did but I'm having the most horrid time wrapping my mind around the new food lists and the description of how I'm supposed to look and my nature.  I mean... gosh... 95% of the description of a Gatherer is not me.  

but maybe the point is, is that I have the basic genetic makeup of one and so adhereing to the food groups for Gatherers is the most beneficial to me regardless of whether I look like, act like, or have the dispostion of one or not.  Right?

Also when we measure our top leg length, do we start the tape measure inside the crease or just at where the leg creases...?

I really don't think it's going to make a difference!  But just wondering.
Posted by: Whimsical, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 11:57pm; Reply: 135
I am another atypical Gatherer - never overweight, ectomorphic, love exercise, etc.  And I know Don is also in great shape and didn't look very round last time I saw him...

However, the food lists ring pretty true with me.  I did great on an O-non diet, even though it was hard at first to cut out most sugars and a lot of grains.  And we get to have lots of protein, which is another thing that I did well with.  Having poured over the food lists today, it actually makes a lot of sense to me from a metabolic point of view!  Why not try it on for size and see how you feel - that is really the best evidence.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Monday, December 31, 2007, 12:01am; Reply: 136
Quoted from Whimsical
Why not try it on for size and see how you feel - that is really the best evidence.


That's about all I can do!  I've been obessessing all day! Ha...

Don't think that's a Gatherer trait...

I'm off to cook rice and greens and go buy some cottage cheese!  ha...  There's going to be this huge run on cottage cheese all over the country!  HA....

Posted by: 12 (Guest), Monday, December 31, 2007, 12:05am; Reply: 137
Quoted from 1323
If I go by the Intermediate tables and then strength test, I'm an Explorer.  If I go by the Advanced tables, I'm a Gatherer and my strength tests are weak... Dr. Colicci... what do I make of this?


If you have the information available to you to use the advanced calculator, this is the one you should be using.  As Dr. D. states in the book, this will help you make the most "sophisticated"
determination of your genotype.  From what I see from the info you posted, this makes you a Gatherer.

As far as the upper leg measurement, you would want to start the measurement from the inside of the crease....
Posted by: Don, Monday, December 31, 2007, 12:13am; Reply: 138
Quoted from 1323


Thanks Don... that's what I did but I'm having the most horrid time wrapping my mind around the new food lists and the description of how I'm supposed to look and my nature.  I mean... gosh... 95% of the description of a Gatherer is not me.  

but maybe the point is, is that I have the basic genetic makeup of one and so adhereing to the food groups for Gatherers is the most beneficial to me regardless of whether I look like, act like, or have the dispostion of one or not.  Right?

As I posted elsewhere I am a Gatherer, but strength test weakly as a Gatherer and strongly as a Hunter. I will follow the Gatherer GT recommendations.

Ignore the description stuff if it doesn't apply to you. I suggest you reread some of the book to get more comfortable with the changes.

Quoted from 1323
Also when we measure our top leg length, do we start the tape measure inside the crease or just at where the leg creases...?

I really don't think it's going to make a difference!  But just wondering.

I don't know what exactly you mean by that, but I know it wouldn't make any difference on me since the difference in my upper and lower leg lengths is several inches.

Have you looked at the video again?
Posted by: TJ, Monday, December 31, 2007, 12:16am; Reply: 139
Looks like I'm a nomad.  I have the white lines, and ten, count 'em, TEN, loops firngerprints!  Only my index fingers have radial loops.  I also have  the longer rings fingers on both hands, and I scored 25 on the nomad strength test, without even knowing my taster status!  (I took all of them for fun, regardless of blood type, and none of the others except hunter were more than 11, and hunter was 19.)  The major variations for me are longer torso than legs, and ectomorph build.  Assuming my B type is correct, there's no doubt about it.

I am sad to see that I lost spelt, milk, and cottage cheese :'( but picking up several harder cheeses that I missed (cheddar, provolone, parmessan) sorta makes up for it.
Posted by: TJ, Monday, December 31, 2007, 12:19am; Reply: 140
My copy finally showed up yesterday afternoon.  For once, I'm impressed with the USPS.

Quoted from 12
As far as the upper leg measurement, you would want to start the measurement from the inside of the crease....


I found this particularly tricky, too, since the skin crease at the hip flexor runs diagonally: close to the outside of the hip gives a longer measure than toward the inner thigh.  Also, about the ridge/indentation above your kneecap, I assume this just means just above the top edge of the patella?
Posted by: Lisalea, Monday, December 31, 2007, 12:22am; Reply: 141
I just bought my  Geno Type Diet book today at Chapters !!!!!!
I can't wait to get down tonight and do some reading ... I look so forward to it ...
looks like I can be one of the three ...
The Gatherer
The Explorer
or
The Nomad !!!  :) ;) ;D
Posted by: 12 (Guest), Monday, December 31, 2007, 12:30am; Reply: 142
Quoted from TJ
I found this particularly tricky, too, since the skin crease at the hip flexor runs diagonally: close to the outside of the hip gives a longer measure than toward the inner thigh.  Also, about the ridge/indentation above your kneecap, I assume this just means just above the top edge of the patella?


Measure from the center of the diagonal crease.  As far as the knee, yes this means just above the top edge of the patella...
Posted by: 2162 (Guest), Monday, December 31, 2007, 6:18am; Reply: 143
I keep reading this everyday since I got my book. I'm an 0- Hunter with a bazillion white lines in my finger prints. I also have a serious history of digestive issues which is why I started the ER diet maybe 8 years ago. I just want to know if anyone else found the same thing with white lines?? I'm officially wheat free now.

I've been reading a lot about finger measurements and the difficulty in taking them. I'm a finish carpenter for a living. I pulled from my tool bags a sliding bevel square. It's a sliding square with a ruler in metric or inches. I measured my ring fingers first, set the square then put my index up to it. Ring was longer. You can do this for free at your local Home Depot or Lowes.

Posted by: Lola, Monday, December 31, 2007, 6:53am; Reply: 144
Quoted Text
anyone else found the same thing with white lines?

yes!
;)
Posted by: accidental_chef, Monday, December 31, 2007, 8:53am; Reply: 145
Quoted from Whimsical


According to the advanced tables in the back of the book, no matter what your measurements, it appears that if you are an O+ secretor, you are either a Gatherer or a Hunter.


Bear with me folks, I haven't got the book yet. But if my ring finger is a good 4mm longer than the index finger would that alone determine that I'm a hunter? I'm Rh positive.

Thanks!
Posted by: Mary M., Monday, December 31, 2007, 9:09am; Reply: 146
Quoted from accidental_chef


Bear with me folks, I haven't got the book yet. But if my ring finger is a good 4mm longer than the index finger would that alone determine that I'm a hunter? I'm Rh positive.

Thanks!


Hi accidental_chef,

There are some more measurements that you would need to do to determine your GT. One is to measure your total height and then to determine your leg length to arrive at the ratio of Torso Length to Leg Length. Then measure your Upper and Lower leg length. Now you would be set to go to the Advanced Test and find out your classification.

You can go to
               http://www.youtube.com
and type in dadamo and see the videos that describe how to do these measurements. Afterwards you could post them and someone with the book could help you.

Cordially,
Margaret
Posted by: accidental_chef, Monday, December 31, 2007, 9:34am; Reply: 147
Quoted from Mary M.


Hi accidental_chef,

There are some more measurements that you would need to do to determine your GT. One is to measure your total height and then to determine your leg length to arrive at the ratio of Torso Length to Leg Length. Then measure your Upper and Lower leg length. Now you would be set to go to the Advanced Test and find out your classification.

You can go to
               http://www.youtube.com
and type in dadamo and see the videos that describe how to do these measurements. Afterwards you could post them and someone with the book could help you.

Cordially,
Margaret


Thanks Margaret! I did all of those too by watching the videos 50 thousand times ;)!

Height:153cm (seem to have shrunk from 157cm 10 years ago!)
Torso length: 76cm
Leg length:77cm

Knee to ankle:38cm
Hip to knee: 36cm

As for my wrist circumferance: my index finger overlaps with the thumb by about 2cm.

Anyone kind enough, please let me know which category I fall into...and thanks again!!!!
Posted by: sluggerbean, Monday, December 31, 2007, 3:25pm; Reply: 148
ac, according to the tables, you would be a Hunter.
Posted by: AmyH, Monday, December 31, 2007, 5:20pm; Reply: 149
2 things: I'm a Hunter. No surprise there but where Spinich was a beneficial for me on the BTD, it's toxic for the Hunter, as is all green leaf lettuces. So what's a girl to do who LOVES salads?

Secondly, how can I add Hunter to my Aviator?

Thanks, and heres to a Happy New Year starting on this new Geno journey for all of us!

Amy
Posted by: Lola, Monday, December 31, 2007, 5:23pm; Reply: 150
Quoted Text
how can I add Hunter to my Aviator?

click on member center.....options are on the left margin.
you have to play with your choice of superfoods to create exciting new recipes! ;)
Posted by: Lloyd, Monday, December 31, 2007, 5:25pm; Reply: 151
There are salad options, just not iceberg lettuce. I've been having escarole, very tasty. Romaine is a neutral. Chicory is a diamond superfood.

To add a personal message to your avatar, go the the member center. Click on Profile Information. Add personal message in block near the bottom, save.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, December 31, 2007, 5:51pm; Reply: 152
Quoted from 2151
I got my GTD book on the 26th, and cracked it open about 8:30 last night.  Then I read and measured and puzzled and got frustrated and incredulous and marveled and finally went to sleep about 2am with the theory (but no hard measurements of leg and torso length) that I am a Gatherer.  I had several of the measurements already from a visit to Dr. D'Adamo in April of 2006, but didn't have my head measurements or my leg/torso measurements.

I woke up at 5:30 am absolutely ravenous (because I'm 15 weeks pregnant!)

WHAT?!!!!!!  :D  That's wonderful!  ...Okay, continue on, I'm sorry for the interruption...
Quoted from 2151
...and then had no clue what to eat.  Ended up having an almond milk shake, got on the internet and played with the genotypediet.com website, where I messed around with numbers and played with various leg and torso lengths, and it ended up not mattering which was longer for me.  I'm a Gatherer!  

I went back to bed about 7:30, slept until about 10am, and then had my hubby take my measurements just to confirm what I suspected.  Legs longer than torso, elongated head, etc.  Definitely a Gatherer.

I think I am, too, although I have yet to receive the book and it seems to have taken up permanent residence 3-1/2 hours away from me, per the Amazon "track package" feature.  I'm so totally and utterly a Gatherer, though.  If I'm not, I'll be "surprizzled", as my mom would phrase it.  Well, girl, dig this:  apparently, your beloved chocolate is a BENEFICIAL for Gatherers.  Enjoy!
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, December 31, 2007, 5:51pm; Reply: 153
Iceberg has never been the most nutritious lettuce anyway.  :-)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, December 31, 2007, 6:02pm; Reply: 154
Quoted from Mercedes
For Edna and other O gatherers... beef is now netural, turkey is beneficial.

Well, that's just crazy talk right there.  Beef is, was, and always shall remain BENEFICIAL, just as I unilaterally decided long ago that salmon was/is/shall be, even though it long ago changed status to neutral for O nons.  As for turkey being beneficial now, hey, no argument outta me there.  But about beef, I am appealing to the Supreme Court.  I will let you know how the lawsuit turns out *lol*.
Quoted from Mercedes
Canola and spelt and blueberries and kamut and mozza are out.

I don't use canola oil, I do NOT go anywhere near spelt, I don't touch kamut, I can live without mozzarella.  As far as the blueberries go:  Whatchu' tawkin' 'bout, Willis?  I'm going to add them in to my appeal for the lawsuit.  Until we know the verdict, I shall continue to view them as a beneficial.  ...I'm now thinking, no rush on my book getting to me *lol*!!!
Quoted from Mercedes
Cottage cheese and goat are in.

Very excited about the cottage cheese!  Wouldn't you rather have cottage cheese than mozzarella anyway?  I sure would.  Never had goat and don't plan to start.
Quoted from Mercedes
Pecans and almonds are better than walnuts.

All right, sir!
Quoted from Mercedes
Mangos are neutral.

:o WHAT?  Well, okay then.  I'm good, I'm good.  Just had a little start there, but I'm okay now.  Return to your homes, nothing more to see here, people!
Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Monday, December 31, 2007, 6:08pm; Reply: 155
If you eat lamb, you can eat goat. It is lower fat than lamb but other than that about the only difference is that lambs have a woolier coat.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, December 31, 2007, 6:11pm; Reply: 156
and last but not least.....
your beloved sunflower seeds didnt reach the finish line!!  :'(

your grapefruit made it though!!!
Posted by: jayneeo, Monday, December 31, 2007, 6:30pm; Reply: 157
yeah, but sunflower seeds can be eaten after an initial phase....in moderation. I mean that counts for something! (like avocado becoming an infrequent neutral after initial phase, I was thrilled. ) You know....life without avocado....ever? just too awful.
Posted by: kate4975, Monday, December 31, 2007, 6:38pm; Reply: 158
Well, I wasn't going to do it--I was just going to stick with BTD--but I ordered the book. Should ship Wednesday. I joined the GTD member site and I think I'm a Nomad (B+, tall, longer upper than lower leg, legs slightly longer than torso, ring fingers slightly longer than index). I can totally live with that. The personality profile fits me well too. Looking forward to the book and having my husband measure me (I measured myself with a 12" ruler so I'm not set on Nomad as I'm sure my measurements weren't super accurate). Can't wait to measure my husband too! He's an A but the initial description of the hunter really fits him. Dare I hope it's possible? I wonder if you can measure a child--I mean, the body proportions should stay fairly consistent to adulthood, right?
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Monday, December 31, 2007, 7:09pm; Reply: 159
PT... I think blueberries are ok after the initial phase.

I cannot begin the initial phase right away as before the book came we went to WF and got loads of foods and alot of it is in the 2nd phase.  So we are need to continue the best we can slowly eating our way through foods which used to be ER4YT beneficial until we can just get down to only the newer foods in the GT listings.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, December 31, 2007, 7:47pm; Reply: 160
Quoted from Whimsical
I guess I'm kind of hung up on the description of the Gatherer, because I am nowhere near an endomorph (more ecto-meso) - when I was a child I ate lots of junk I was always underweight, I am not "padded looking" (I have visible tendons), I don't have the molar cusp, I'm not an early adopter, I'm restless - not good at prolonged and concentrated brain work, and I don't put on weight easily (even when eating poorly and not exercising).   Even personality-wise, as much as I would like to be "sweet-natured", I don't think most people would describe me that way!
  


Oh, man, now I'm even more curious and wanting the book to arrive, already!  Amazon's package tracking service says my book is now in a neighboring area that is literally minutes from my house so, dang it, it had better be there tonight when I get home.  Meanwhile, I have a kitty who isn't doing well and a vet who is on vakay in Colorado for the week, so I may not be able to read the book even if it has arrived, as I may be busy with that situation, but on the other hand, it could provide a nice distraction while I'm home wringing my hands about everything.  I definitely am an "early adopter", but like you I am restless and also I was not heavy as a child.  An endomorph isn't necessarily heavy, just somewhat rounded and "Rubenesque" even when slim, at least that is what I've been able to "gather" thus far.

As for being "sweet natured"...well...I'd have to say that I am NOT really sweet natured!  I don't know how I would have been if I had spent my childhood in a functional (versus dysfunctional) family, but as it is, I was a very anxious, excitable child, very moody and prone to temper outbursts ...hmmmm, nothing has really changed *LOL*!  Perhaps I would have been "sweet natured", had I not grown up in my family  :o :o :o, which was a very sort of volatile environment, to put it in a nutshell.  Sweet natured wasn't gonna cut it there, so if that is my natural tendency, it has long since been buried deeeeeeeeeeep, deeeeep down under a thick layer of cynical sarcasm and other assorted defense mechanisms.

I've got the caffeine sensitivity that seems to be a hallmark of Explorers, per all the on-line tidbits I've read thus far.

I WANT MY BOOK!
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Monday, December 31, 2007, 7:56pm; Reply: 161
PT.. get ready to be obsessed with  measurements, questions, shocking realities and on and on for about 8 hours straight!   :)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, December 31, 2007, 7:59pm; Reply: 162
Quoted from Lola
and last but not least.....
your beloved sunflower seeds didnt reach the finish line!!  :'(

What?  NoooOOOOoooOOOOOoooooooooo!  I heard they are something akin to an "occasional neutral", yes?!  Don't toy with me, Lola!

My book had better BE THERE tonight (and I think it will).

You are just messing with my head re the sunflower seed situation, yes?  Well, now, you've had your fun!  So admit that they are okay after the first six months or after I lose a zillion pounds, whichever comes last...right?  Because that is what I read in a post last week, and I like that report better than your "didn't make it to the finish line" report.

Sunflower seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeds!  Come to momma!

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, December 31, 2007, 8:03pm; Reply: 163
Quoted from gulfcoastguy
If you eat lamb, you can eat goat. It is lower fat than lamb but other than that about the only difference is that lambs have a woolier coat.

Was going to post this elsewhere at some point, but you know how I keep discovering new FABULOUS additions at my HFS since they expanded?  Well, suddenly, they have frozen ostrich patties and also frozen ground bison!

Tell me ostrich and bison are bennies for Gatherers!

P.S.  I gave one of the gals at the HFS, whom I think is a manager by this point, as she has been there forever, a belly laugh on Thursday or whenever it was that I bought the frozen ostrich and bison.  As I unloaded my cart, I said loudly and emphatically "Thank GOD you have ostrich!"
;D  You kinda had to be there.  It may not translate, hilarity-wise, to the printed word.  The subtext was:  I couldn't go ON another moment in life without frozen ostrich patties!

...Yeah, you probably had to be there.  Anyway, I have never partaken of ostrich before.  Should be interesting.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, December 31, 2007, 8:05pm; Reply: 164
Quoted from jayneeo
yeah, but sunflower seeds can be eaten after an initial phase....in moderation. I mean that counts for something!

Okay, THAT's what I remember reading last week.  YESSSSSS!  Yes it does count for something!  I mean!  Going from "avoid" to "after an initial phase" is MEGA!  Plus, it gives me an incentive (other than health...what is health compared to SUNFLOWER SEEDS?!) to stick to the diet and lose all the weight I need to lose, so that I can then have SUNFLOWER SEEDS!

Oh yeah, babe.

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, December 31, 2007, 8:07pm; Reply: 165
Quoted from 1323
PT... I think blueberries are ok after the initial phase.

I cannot begin the initial phase right away as before the book came we went to WF and got loads of foods and alot of it is in the 2nd phase.  So we are need to continue the best we can slowly eating our way through foods which used to be ER4YT beneficial until we can just get down to only the newer foods in the GT listings.

YAY on the blueberries.  ...BUT, this "initial phase" thing is beginning to sound a little scary.  What are we allowed, nothing but turkey and water or something?  Well, let's git 'er underway here!  Carpe diem!

Where is my BOOK?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Posted by: Mary M., Monday, December 31, 2007, 8:09pm; Reply: 166
Quoted from accidental_chef

Height:153cm (seem to have shrunk from 157cm 10 years ago!)
Torso length: 76cm
Leg length:77cm

Knee to ankle:38cm
Hip to knee: 36cm

As for my wrist circumferance: my index finger overlaps with the thumb by about 2cm.

Anyone kind enough, please let me know which category I fall into...and thanks again!!!!


Hi accidental_chef,

Well, with all your measurements it looks like you are a "Hunter",

Your Legs are longer than your Torso;
Your Lower Leg is longer than your Upper Leg;
Your Ring finger is longer than your Index finger
(it doesn't matter if it is only on one hand or both hands for you)
You are 0, Rh+, Secretor.

According to the Advanced Table on Pg. 297, that classifies you as a " GT1 Hunter".

You can still have Beef and chicken and trout (Oh, look at the cheeses you can eat) and brocolli and blueberries.....Enjoy!

As a "Gatherer", I can't have any of those. But I do get cottage cheese. Hooray for cottage cheese!

Cordially,
Margaret
Posted by: jayneeo, Monday, December 31, 2007, 8:10pm; Reply: 167
you are right: bison and ostrich...bennies for gatherer! and you are brave...I just don'tknow about ostrich....tell us if its good.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, December 31, 2007, 8:16pm; Reply: 168
Quoted from 1323
PT.. get ready to be obsessed with  measurements, questions, shocking realities and on and on for about 8 hours straight!   :)

Well, maybe, but maybe not.  From what I can gleen thus far, I think I am going to type out straight Gatherer, all the way.

I'll be surprised if I'm something else.  Then again, just when I was getting my teeth set for cottage cheese (...not that one really needs one's teeth for cottage cheese, but it is just an expression/idiom...yeah, you probably figured that out on your own...), I'll probably be a non-cottage-cheese type.

But I think I'm a Gatherer.

I don't think I'll be sweating too much, measurement-wise, EXCEPT how in the WORLD shall I measure my hips, when my hips and butt are so fat that I won't really know where the hip IS, and if I need "a friend" to help, well, that's just embarrassing even thinking about it.  It would take several friends to measure my hips/waist, me thinks!  And I think my butt is going to skew the results!

But, any way you slice it, I think I'm staring down the barrel of Gatherdom.

Cottage cheese, here I come!

btw, my HFS has no acceptable brand of cottage cheese.  One is made by a company I'm boycotting because they add corn starch to their sour cream (blasphemy!), and one has some sort of FUNKY cultures added that make it taste like tire tread.  I tried it once years back and it was baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.  So it hasn't been hard for me avoiding cottage cheese, because there is no tempting brand beckoning me at the HFS.  But now I may just have to hit the regular grocery store and get some Breakstone or something!  I do miss it and it is GREAT for "dieting", no two ways about that one.

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, December 31, 2007, 8:20pm; Reply: 169
Quoted from jayneeo
you are right: bison and ostrich...bennies for gatherer!

To be said to the tune of Elaine Benes on Seinfeld:

:D Get OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Both are bennies?!!!!!!  AWE frickin' SOME!  FINALLY, my HFS has some MEAT variety AND they turn out to be bennies!

Oh, this is too much excitement.  I have to sit down.  Wait a minute, I am sitting down.  Okay, then, I'm good!
Posted by: OSuzanna, Monday, December 31, 2007, 8:22pm; Reply: 170
Ostrich fillet is wonderful, dark, lean, tastes great, doesn't seem like a bird meat, "reads" like a lean dark mammal meat. Can be cooked rarer than chicken. Yum in a big way. I would definitely choose the filet over ground when I had a choice.
Posted by: Mitchie, Monday, December 31, 2007, 8:52pm; Reply: 171
Quoted from OSuzanna
Ostrich fillet is wonderful, dark, lean, tastes great, doesn't seem like a bird meat, "reads" like a lean dark mammal meat. Can be cooked rarer than chicken. Yum in a big way. I would definitely choose the filet over ground when I had a choice.


OSuzanna, that sounds delish!  I asked my DH yesterday if he had ever eaten ostrich (that was mistake #1) and he said yes, it tastes like chicken and I believed him (mistake #2).

He has eaten Shake 'n Bake chicken for dinner probably 4 years now so I guess everything would taste like chicken.  ;D

It doesn't taste like chicken, does it????
Posted by: Debra+, Monday, December 31, 2007, 9:02pm; Reply: 172
Quoted from Amazone I.
apples for nonnies :o...that's what my roostersis Debra mentioned ...coz of NOT having loosed any weight....since I stopped eating my beloved apples...I DID loose... ;) ;D ;D(dance)


Apples!!!  Did someone say apples?  Kristin tells me that I may be able to have apples every now and then.  That will depend on my GTD outcome.   Can't remember which one is able to.  Have not received my book yet as the wrong date was put on the credit card order.  (Hubby did that one ;)) Should be in this week I hope.  How I do miss apples.  A nice red juicy BC delicious apple(perfectly white and crunchy inside...not the yellow ones) or a Spartan.  yuuuummmmm.

Debra :)

Posted by: Debra+, Monday, December 31, 2007, 9:15pm; Reply: 173
Yes!!!!!Hubby just walked in with the mail and guess what is there.  Yep...Dr. D. in a book.  The Genotype Book.  Now...let's go see what the measurements say.

Debra :)
Posted by: HarmonyKitty, Monday, December 31, 2007, 9:35pm; Reply: 174
Quoted from Peppermint Twist

btw, my HFS has no acceptable brand of cottage cheese.  One is made by a company I'm boycotting because they add corn starch to their sour cream (blasphemy!), and one has some sort of FUNKY cultures added that make it taste like tire tread.  I tried it once years back and it was baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.  So it hasn't been hard for me avoiding cottage cheese, because there is no tempting brand beckoning me at the HFS.  But now I may just have to hit the regular grocery store and get some Breakstone or something!  I do miss it and it is GREAT for "dieting", no two ways about that one.



You can get Friendship cottage cheese at Publix.  No bad ingredients (as of this writing).  Just ask a B when it comes to cheese........
Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Monday, December 31, 2007, 9:53pm; Reply: 175
Well bison, ostrich, emu, caribu, moose, goat, mutton, turkey, and lamb are all beneficials for me now. Though where the heck I can get some of them other than at a zoo is beyond me. I can get goat at the farmers market though it can be a bit pricey and lamb and turkey are easy but moose? Much better selection of cheeses now though goat cheese seems to be a neutral. I do lose tomatos, again, and okra for all intents and purposes just like collard greens.
Posted by: Whimsical, Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:00pm; Reply: 176
Quoted from Peppermint Twist

Well, maybe, but maybe not.  From what I can gleen thus far, I think I am going to type out straight Gatherer, all the way.


If you don't have your book yet, you can still go on the GenoType website on your free week trial and do the full online calculator, which is the most accurate anyway.  

Personally, I am quite pleased with the Gatherer menu, except for fruit and veggies.  Some of my faves have gone from neutral to superbeneficial (pineapple, raspberries, celery, cranberries, tomatoes) and some bennies stayed (bell peppers, onions, okra, spinach) but we seem to have lost some awesome beneficials to infrequent neutrals (broccoli, kale, mango, banana, blueberries, cherries, avocado).  

In the other food categories, for an O-non it is mostly win as far as I can tell - we get some dairy, more grains, keep all meats (except chicken), eggs are beneficial, CHOCOLATE is beneficial...

Posted by: Whimsical, Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:05pm; Reply: 177
What is probably the greatest change with the GTD, though, and I think it is so easy for us to overlook it, is that there is a much wider range of choice for ALL types.  Albeit some things are occasional only, but you are still free to have them if you are in good health and at a healthy weight.  That makes life so much easier!  There is only a handful of things I like that I absolutely CANNOT have.
Posted by: Don, Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:24pm; Reply: 178
Quoted from HarmonyKitty
I can't find any indication on it's packaging to say that it is.  So I'll go with a "no."

Thanks, I haven't shopped for any cottage cheese for probably around 6 years. I need to figure out what is and where to find the good stuff.

Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:27pm; Reply: 179
Quoted from Don

Thanks, I haven't shopped for any cottage cheese for probably around 6 years. I need to figure out what is and where to find the good stuff.



Well I just got back from the store and Nancy's Organic is the best.  No avoids.  Rich and creamy.

Plus I picked up some Organic Ricotta by Organic Valley.  It does have a small amount of vinegar in it which is sad.  I'll have to keep looking but for now.... do you think some deflect will work when we do end up eating a little avoid here and there?
Posted by: kate4975, Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:47pm; Reply: 180
Quoted from gulfcoastguy
I can get goat at the farmers market though it can be a bit pricey and lamb and turkey are easy but moose?


You can only get moose if you shoot one yourself (or know someone who will). Since they are not farm-raised, the meat can't be sold commercially. Sometimes I wish my hubby would hunt them. They taste so good but when the adorable spring calves are grazing in my yard, it's a little hard to think of them as dinner.

Guess I'll stick with caribou. I can buy it at the store and they don't live around here.   ;)

Hey, halibut and Alaskan salmon are bennies for Nomads--hizzah! And raspberries! Guess I should really get on tending the wild bushes on my lot.

Still no sugar though. And I've lost tomatoes again. Sniff.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:58pm; Reply: 181
Does anyone know if Xanthan Gum is the same as Guar Gum?

This Guar Gum is an Avoid and is actually in many supermarket items! :o
Posted by: Mercedes, Monday, December 31, 2007, 11:17pm; Reply: 182
xanthum gum is a corn derivative, but is different than guar gum.

Vegetable gums are in many many products as a binding or emulsifying agent.
Posted by: jayneeo, Monday, December 31, 2007, 11:42pm; Reply: 183
here's what I'm thinking: xanthan gum isn't on any avoid lists (at least mine) and since the GTD recommends rice milk, maybe its ok to buy a commercial rice milk if it has xanthan gum but not carageenen........... ??) hmmmm? Twould simplify life....
Posted by: Debra+, Monday, December 31, 2007, 11:45pm; Reply: 184
Quoted from gulfcoastguy
Well bison, ostrich, emu, caribu, moose, goat, mutton, turkey, and lamb are all beneficials for me now. Though where the heck I can get some of them other than at a zoo is beyond me. I can get goat at the farmers market though it can be a bit pricey and lamb and turkey are easy but moose? Much better selection of cheeses now though goat cheese seems to be a neutral. I do lose tomatos, again, and okra for all intents and purposes just like collard greens.


We've got the moose up this way.  Annie get your gun.;)

Debra :)

Posted by: drgnwng1, Monday, December 31, 2007, 11:50pm; Reply: 185
Quoted from Whimsical


If you don't have your book yet, you can still go on the GenoType website on your free week trial and do the full online calculator, which is the most accurate anyway.  

Personally, I am quite pleased with the Gatherer menu, except for fruit and veggies.  Some of my faves have gone from neutral to superbeneficial (pineapple, raspberries, celery, cranberries, tomatoes) and some bennies stayed (bell peppers, onions, okra, spinach) but we seem to have lost some awesome beneficials to infrequent neutrals (broccoli, kale, mango, banana, blueberries, cherries, avocado).  

In the other food categories, for an O-non it is mostly win as far as I can tell - we get some dairy, more grains, keep all meats (except chicken), eggs are beneficial, CHOCOLATE is beneficial...



Chicken is a neutral from what I understand.
Posted by: drgnwng1, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 12:02am; Reply: 186
Amaranth is good cooked up with  plain soy milk(could try rice I guess),cinnamon and an apple(with skin) Add walnuts and yum.Great breakfast or dessert
You can also make popped amaranth LOL it is tiny and cute and not worth the effort but it does pop.

Cream of buckwheat makes great desserts and fake mashed potatoes.
Groats can be cooked up with plain soy(rice) milk, cinnamon, banana, flaxseeds and walnuts. Again breakfast or dessert.
Posted by: Don, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 12:04am; Reply: 187
Quoted from drgnwng1
Chicken is a neutral from what I understand.

Chicken is a black dot avoid for Gatherers.

Posted by: Mercedes, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 12:07am; Reply: 188
Quoted from jayneeo
here's what I'm thinking: xanthan gum isn't on any avoid lists (at least mine) and since the GTD recommends rice milk, maybe its ok to buy a commercial rice milk if it has xanthan gum but not carageenen........... ??) hmmmm? Twould simplify life....


It's a bactria made from corn syrup, fed corn to grow. It's pretty much corn, which has traditionally been an O avoid.
Posted by: drgnwng1, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 12:08am; Reply: 189
Quoted from Don

Chicken is a black dot avoid for Gatherers.



A black dot mean you get it back in 3-6 months. In modest amounts!! page 205
Posted by: OSuzanna, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 12:15am; Reply: 190
Mitchie, ostrich doesn't taste like chicken. It's more like lean beef, but is its own taste. I love it.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 12:18am; Reply: 191
Ok... rice dream has two oils in it that are total avoids for Gatherers and my local store has no rice milk without avoids.

I cannot make my rice milk, so is there any out there without the bad stuff in it?

I loved the Westsoy Organic Plain Soymilk because there was  nothing in it.

Maybe there is a 'clean' rice milk out there somewhere????
Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 12:45am; Reply: 192
maybe almond milk is good for us gatherers...oh, I see....a black dot food.
Posted by: OSuzanna, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 12:51am; Reply: 193
I wouldn't mind finding a "plain" rice milk! I just look for the ones with the least avoids. Mr. OSuzanna is the primary consumer of that stuff here.
Posted by: drgnwng1, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 1:36am; Reply: 194
I googled and found that they have rice and soy milk makers for your home. You can make it the way you like it or need it. Who would have thought.
Jean
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 2:06am; Reply: 195
Has anyone used the rice milk makers?

and on the other topic... what happens if one eats some of the black dot items now?  Can one use deflect like we used to use it in the other program?

or is this science so different that it's not lectins we are trying to avoid but a certain way our bodies react to the food with the black dots based on our GT?
Posted by: Don, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 2:52am; Reply: 196
Quoted from Whimsical
If you don't have your book yet, you can still go on the GenoType website on your free week trial and do the full online calculator, which is the most accurate anyway.

Either the tables in the book or the online calculator should give you the same results. If not report the difference.

There is shouldn't be any accuracy difference. It is just that the online calculator makes all the calculations and determinations for you, so it may be easier to use for some people.
Posted by: Whimsical, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 3:59am; Reply: 197
Quoted from Don

Either the tables in the book or the online calculator should give you the same results. If not report the difference.

There is shouldn't be any accuracy difference. It is just that the online calculator makes all the calculations and determinations for you, so it may be easier to use for some people.


There seem to be several people around who have had a different result from the online calculator, and I assumed it was because you can fill in ALL your info.  For some GenoTypes, info other than "Basics" is weighted more heavily, which could change one's type...  
Posted by: Melissa_J, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 8:14am; Reply: 198
It looks like I'm a gatherer too, with similar measurement issues as some of you have had.  If it's that close, then it must be equal, for that matter maybe my other hand is equal as well.

I was all geared up for the gatherer diet, then started to doubt it based on health issues of a hunter, but I'm glad to stick with what I originally supposed.  I too tried cottage cheese for the first time in ages, and it was nice.  I never noticed before how many additives are in some brands, but I found a simple brand.  I also loved the kombucha I tried, it made me feel more energetic about an hour after drinking it.  I think I'm going to like this!
Posted by: Mitchie, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 10:21am; Reply: 199
Quoted from OSuzanna
Mitchie, ostrich doesn't taste like chicken. It's more like lean beef, but is its own taste. I love it.


OSuzanna, based upon your glowing review I bought a pack of ostrich steaks yesterday.  I was happy to see they were red meat (I do miss my beef something terrible  :'() so maybe these will quell my jones.

Does anyone have any suggestions for cooking them?  I have a Foreman grill if that would be a possibility.  Any herbs or spices go well with it? I'm a medium-rare steak girl so can these be cooked on the rare side or should they be cooked to a chicken temperature?

Posted by: Devora, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 10:59am; Reply: 200
I also am waiting for my book.  My Mom has to send it to me in Israel.  Waiting during the first weeks is rough!  

However, I may just take Whimsical's advice and go to the online calculator.  Somehow, I thought the GT website was not really operational yet.  I am going to see now!
Posted by: Devora, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 12:52pm; Reply: 201
I just did the calculator.  I came up that I was a teacher.  According to the menu, I am eating correctly already!  And my cheating on soda water seems fine.  The only thing that seems Way off is that I am not a peach=loving tolerant personality type at all!  I think I have the personality of a warrior or explorer!  I only have metric measurements, and I had to calculate.  I made a mistake at first on my torso measurments and came up as a Warrior.

The diet seems correct.  I do tolerate dairy, though I never touch cows milk.  I see I do fine on lots of goat and sheeps milk yogurt and feta cheese.  I eat a lot of it and it never gives me any trouble.

Still, I can't figure out the personality issue!  

  
Posted by: meribelle, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 3:08pm; Reply: 202
Quoted from AmyH
2 things: I'm a Hunter. No surprise there but where Spinich was a beneficial for me on the BTD, it's toxic for the Hunter, as is all green leaf lettuces. So what's a girl to do who LOVES salads?



Amy


I was wondering that myself.  My mind cannot process the fact that one day spinach is good and the next day bad.  Somebody please help.
Posted by: TJ, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 3:15pm; Reply: 203
Quoted from Don

Thanks, I haven't shopped for any cottage cheese for probably around 6 years. I need to figure out what is and where to find the good stuff.


[sigh] Who'd have predicted the day that I, a B, would have to turn my beloved cottage cheese over to an O.... :'(
Posted by: yaman, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 3:39pm; Reply: 204
Quoted from TJ


[sigh] Who'd have predicted the day that I, a B, would have to turn my beloved cottage cheese over to an O.... :'(


While you are at it drive55, could you please pass the kefalotyri here ;D

Posted by: AmyH, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 5:05pm; Reply: 205
"There are salad options, just not iceberg lettuce. I've been having escarole, very tasty. Romaine is a neutral. Chicory is a diamond superfood."

Thanks Lloyd! I will certainly try the other tasty greens available for Hunters, especially Escrole.

But...isn't Romaine a green leaf letuce? (Toxins to Limit - Lettuce, green leaf, iceburg)

I'm assuming if it's a superfood it's listed as such and all other green leaf lettuces are off limits for the initiation pd??
Posted by: Lloyd, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 6:09pm; Reply: 206
Quoted from AmyH

But...isn't Romaine a green leaf letuce? (Toxins to Limit - Lettuce, green leaf, iceburg)

I'm assuming if it's a superfood it's listed as such and all other green leaf lettuces are off limits for the initiation pd??


Romaine has a seperate designation. Look at the Warrior superbeneficials for confirmation.
Posted by: AmyH, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 6:43pm; Reply: 207
Quoted from Lloyd


Romaine has a seperate designation. Look at the Warrior superbeneficials for confirmation.



Ahhhh...so smart to look at other diets to confirm listings! Thanks!!!
Posted by: meribelle, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 6:50pm; Reply: 208
But why can't we have spinach now?
Posted by: Lloyd, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 6:57pm; Reply: 209
Quoted from AmyH



Ahhhh...so smart to look at other diets to confirm listings! Thanks!!!


While it is much 'cleaner' and simpler to not list all the neutrals, it also has that drawback. Benefits to both ways of listing.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 7:03pm; Reply: 210
Quoted from Lloyd


While it is much 'cleaner' and simpler to not list all the neutrals, it also has that drawback. Benefits to both ways of listing.


On the genotype site can one tell whether a food has not been tested or was tested and determined to be neutral?

Posted by: Don, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 7:22pm; Reply: 211
Quoted from C_Sharp
On the genotype site can one tell whether a food has not been tested or was tested and determined to be neutral?

Not that I have found yet.

Posted by: Melissa_J, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 8:26pm; Reply: 212
Thanks Don and everyone who has posted to this thread.  I've finally confirmed with your help that I am a gatherer.  If Kate can be a gatherer, I certainly can. ;)

I just wrote a blog of my feelings and plans in relation to GTD.
Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 8:57pm; Reply: 213
Melissa, just read your blog....yay! I'll be looking forward to hearing your experiences as a gatherer....those kinds of things inspire me. ;D
Posted by: meribelle, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 1:52am; Reply: 214
Quoted from Melissa_J
Thanks Don and everyone who has posted to this thread.  I've finally confirmed with your help that I am a gatherer.  If Kate can be a gatherer, I certainly can. ;)

I just wrote a blog of my feelings and plans in relation to GTD.

Now I get it.  An O nonnie can be a Hunter or a Gatherer based on finger length.  Oh this is stressing me out!!!
Posted by: accidental_chef, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 3:25am; Reply: 215
Quoted from Mary M.


Hi accidental_chef,

Well, with all your measurements it looks like you are a "Hunter",

Your Legs are longer than your Torso;
Your Lower Leg is longer than your Upper Leg;
Your Ring finger is longer than your Index finger
(it doesn't matter if it is only on one hand or both hands for you)
You are 0, Rh+, Secretor.

According to the Advanced Table on Pg. 297, that classifies you as a " GT1 Hunter".

You can still have Beef and chicken and trout (Oh, look at the cheeses you can eat) and brocolli and blueberries.....Enjoy!

As a "Gatherer", I can't have any of those. But I do get cottage cheese. Hooray for cottage cheese!

Cordially,
Margaret


Oh thanks Margaret, and Sluggerbean too!
Posted by: Lisalea, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 3:31am; Reply: 216
This book is sooo fascinating !!!!!!!!
I'm really getting into tonight  :K) ;D :P ;)
Posted by: AmyH, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 3:33pm; Reply: 217
Measurements - Get somebody else to help you!! The fist time I measured myself I came out at a Gatherer. I thought there was no way, I am a Hunter "everything" I re-teseted my self. I came out as a Hunter. I think a so wanted to be one that I convinced myself 1/4 inch difference to error on the Hunter side. THEN...my sister came over and measured me. It's true I am a Gatherer. Although I am tall, lean, love exercise (work in the fitness industry even) have white lines in my fingerprints, the measurements don't lie so I will be a Gatherer. I am O+Non, not to much room for error.

Rather than fret and complain, I will embrace the changes, look forward to trying new foods and while I felt like a million bucks on the BTD, maybe I'll feel like 2 million on the GTD!!
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 3:35pm; Reply: 218
Quoted from AmyH
Measurements - Get somebody else to help you!! The fist time I measured myself I came out at a Gatherer. I thought there was no way, I am a Hunter "everything" I re-teseted my self. I came out as a Hunter. I think a so wanted to be one that I convinced myself 1/4 inch difference to error on the Hunter side. THEN...my sister came over and measured me. It's true I am a Gatherer. Although I am tall, lean, love exercise (work in the fitness industry even) have white lines in my fingerprints, the measurements don't lie so I will be a Gatherer. I am O+Non, not to much room for error.

Rather than fret and complain, I will embrace the changes, look forward to trying new foods and while I felt like a million bucks on the BTD, maybe I'll feel like 2 million on the GTD!!


I freted and re-measured my fingers over and over... I just can't make my ring fingers longer than my index! HAAA. ... I drove my hubby nuts!  Our sex life suffered... I was manic for about 12 hours!  ha....

But now I'm settling in to my sentence! Ha...

I'm finding I like it here in the land of ricotta cheese and chocolate!  ha...
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 5:10pm; Reply: 219
Quoted from HarmonyKitty
You can get Friendship cottage cheese at Publix.  No bad ingredients (as of this writing).  Just ask a B when it comes to cheese........

Thanks for the tip, HK!  I seem to recall that Breakstone, while mighty tasty, does contain a few baddies, as do all the brands at most "regular" stores.  I'm glad to know that Publix has one brand that is pure.  I shop at the HFS for 99.9% of all my groceries, but I do hit Publix once every two or so weeks, for my precious seltzer water and pine cat litter *lol*!!!  I get a few other things there sometimes, such as pineapple chunks, watermelon chunks (I'm big on chunks), lamb shoulder cuts (although, now that my HFS has so much more variety in the area of MEAT than it used to, I don't usually hit the Publix meat case), etc.  Once in a great while, there is a pint of Haagan Das vanilla involved...I don't suppose that is a Gatherer super bennie, by any chance?

:D

:( ...Dang it, didn't think so!

Thanks again for the tip!  It's so great to have a fellow BTD/GTDer who lives in the same town and knows about such things as Publix having a pure brand of cottage cheese.  btw, I've noticed that, for about the past year, Publix has REALLY stepped it up in terms of organics, have you?


Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 5:29pm; Reply: 220
Quoted from Whimsical
If you don't have your book yet, you can still go on the GenoType website on your free week trial and do the full online calculator, which is the most accurate anyway.  

Personally, I am quite pleased with the Gatherer menu, except for fruit and veggies.  Some of my faves have gone from neutral to superbeneficial (pineapple, raspberries, celery, cranberries, tomatoes)

:D :D :D  !!!!!

(hugegrin) Hold the frickin' phone and stop everything!!! (woot)


Are you telling me that tomatoes are a Gatherer super bennie?!!!!!!!!!!  And here I was thinking that tomatoes were going to become an AVOID!

Oh joy, oh rapture!  (dance)

So then tomatoes are a super bennie AND cottage cheese is a super bennie?  Tomatoes and cottage cheese together are (is?) a CLASSIC!!!!!!!!!!

Stand back, world, I need a lot of room to embrace my probable Gathererness with the HUGE BEAR HUG I am fixin' ta lay on it!!!

Tra!  Tra!  Tra la LA!

Quoted from Whimsical
and some bennies stayed (bell peppers, onions, okra, spinach) but we seem to have lost some awesome beneficials to infrequent neutrals (broccoli, kale, mango, banana, blueberries, cherries, avocado).


:o   :(  ...Well, that was a short-lived party out of bounds.  Broccoli, INFREQUENT?  Those two words don't go together!  Why, because it is a goitrogen?  And KALE?  No!  No.  Stop right there.  Step away from the kale and no one gets hurt!!!

Mango, banana, blueberries, cherries, avocado...WHAT?!!!!!!!  Stop the madness!  I can't hear you!  (nerd) La la la la la!

Quoted from Whimsical
In the other food categories, for an O-non it is mostly win as far as I can tell - we get some dairy, more grains, keep all meats (except chicken), eggs are beneficial, CHOCOLATE is beneficial...

Yes, I'm happy about the dairy and WHAT--eggs, beneficial, oh YEAH, babe, keep news like that comin', but omg, I would definitely toss back chocolate for my KALE!  And bananas and broccoli and blueberries, mango, etc.

You'd rather have chocolate than kale?  Well, I'm guessing many people would agree with you, but, see, that is why I'm weird.  I would take kale any day over chocolate.  NO contest!

KALE!!!!!!!!!!!  STELLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 5:31pm; Reply: 221
P.S.  Is there any negotiation allowed in this, like at middle eastern bazaar?

Other Genotypes:  I will give you this nice truckload of chocolate AND this entire warehouse full of okra if you will kindly trade me for your kale, bananas and broccoli!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 5:39pm; Reply: 222
Quoted from Devora
I just did the calculator.  I came up that I was a teacher.  According to the menu, I am eating correctly already!  And my cheating on soda water seems fine.  The only thing that seems Way off is that I am not a peach=loving tolerant personality type at all!  I think I have the personality of a warrior or explorer!  I only have metric measurements, and I had to calculate.  I made a mistake at first on my torso measurments and came up as a Warrior.

Hey, Dev, just a heads up:  I read in another thread around here somewhere that there is a bug in the on-line calculator and sometimes warriors come up as teachers.  Don realized the bug in the calculator's programmed logic and has alerted the proper pups who will fix it.  You might want to use the calculator again a bit later, once it has that one issue worked out.  Unless it is already worked out and this is a day late and a dollar short!

Posted by: Cheryl_O_Blogger, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 5:41pm; Reply: 223
Pt,
Glad to see you're taking these changes so well.  As expected I am a gatherer as well.  I don't feel so bad about not being so perfectly compliant with dairy pre-GTD, but will have to change from mozarella to something else.  I do use goatmilk if I need a milk product. The gatherer diet looks like a fusion of O and B features.  I'm happiest about getting a little more dairy.  The paneer is used in an Indian dish with spinach that was a favorite of mine. I'll add that back to my standard diet.

There were several foods listed I had never heard of, so it will be fun checking into those.   Anyone know what pumello(sp?) is or what stores carry it?  I'd like to try it first.
Posted by: Gumby, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 5:43pm; Reply: 224
Quoted from Peppermint Twist

my probable Gathererness


You mean we still don't know for sure?????  lol, you've had so many ups and downs over being a gatherer.  No book yet????? :(
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 5:44pm; Reply: 225
Quoted from Vicki
Read the package but be sure not to overcook ostrich.  It is very low in fat and will be rock solid if overcooked.

Very good tip, Vicki, thank you!  I have yet to defrost my ostrich patties, but am becoming increasingly intrigued with each passing day!

;D

P.S.  And I find it such coincidental timing that I first noticed the ostrich patties and bought some just a day or two before learning via y'all that ostrich is a bennie for Gatherers.

My book had better be there today.  I want to be surprised by something, and at this rate, it will all be old hat by the time the thing arrives!!!!

My shockers for today have been:

tomatoes - YAY!   :D

Kale - omg, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!   :o  :'(

Bananas - see kale

Broccoli - see kale


Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 5:45pm; Reply: 226
wow, CherylO ....its been awhile...(loved your blogs)...pummelo is also called pomelo, a huge grapefruit which probably grows all over P.T.'s neighborhood......(just a guess)
Posted by: Gumby, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 5:47pm; Reply: 227
Quoted from Cheryl_O_Blogger
Anyone know what pumello(sp?) is or what stores carry it?  I'd like to try it first.


Also spelled pomelo.  Big, grapefruit-like citrus fruit, thick peel, drier than grapefruits.  I've only ever had one...it was ok, but I like grapefruit much better.  Of course I may have just had a less than perfect one lol!
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 5:47pm; Reply: 228
Quoted from Peppermint Twist
Hey, Dev, just a heads up:  I read in another thread around here somewhere that there is a bug in the on-line calculator and sometimes warriors come up as teachers.  Don realized the bug in the calculator's programmed logic and has alerted the proper pups who will fix it.  You might want to take do the calculator again a bit later, once it has that one issue worked out.  Unless it is already worked out and this is a day late and a dollar short!

No, I don't think it has been fixed yet. I had more email communication with WFM about it this morning.

Also, the problem effects more than the one Warrior/Teacher case where I found it.

At this time I strongly recommend that you use the GT calculator tables in the book to confirm your GT if your ring and index fingers are equal length or close to it.

Also see, Dr. D's post on the finger measuring.
Posted by: Melissa_J, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 5:48pm; Reply: 229
Hi Cheryl!

Oh, and PT, while Hagen-Daz will not be an addition to our diets, once we can have goat's milk, a black dot, there may be some goat milk ice cream we can find...

Those black dot avoids sit on the horizon beckoning me to keep walking forward.  
Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 5:51pm; Reply: 230
there is a Laloo's goat milk ice cream....
Posted by: yaman, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 5:53pm; Reply: 231
Hi Cheryl,

Good to see you again :)
Yaman
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 6:13pm; Reply: 232
Quoted from Melissa_J
Hi Cheryl!

Oh, and PT, while Hagen-Daz will not be an addition to our diets, once we can have goat's milk, a black dot, there may be some goat milk ice cream we can find...

My HFS has a brand of goat's milk ice cream that is TRULY divine.  However, I did not notice the PRICE (due to them not having it listed on the freezer shelf or package) and it was somewhere between 7 and 8 bucks, baby.  So, that was very effective in keeping me compliant on the BTD!  Too bad all tempting avoids don't cost that much!

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 6:14pm; Reply: 233
Quoted from jayneeo
there is a Laloo's goat milk ice cream....

omg, that's the one!  That's the one!  It costs about a zillion dollars, but it is sooooooooooooo lovelisimo!

Posted by: Cheryl_O_Blogger, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 6:19pm; Reply: 234
Quoted from jayneeo
wow, CherylO ....its been awhile...(loved your blogs)...pummelo is also called pomelo, a huge grapefruit which probably grows all over P.T.'s neighborhood......(just a guess)


My curiosity about the GTD got me back here.  I don't visit many forums, but this is the best one I've ever used.  I'll probably end up subscribing to the GTD site, but I want to be sure I'll have time to visit it before joining.
Posted by: Cheryl_O_Blogger, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 6:22pm; Reply: 235
Quoted from Peppermint Twist

omg, that's the one!  That's the one!  It costs about a zillion dollars, but it is sooooooooooooo lovelisimo!



Yes that one is definitely worth it!  Glad to "see" everyone again.
Posted by: AmyH, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 6:29pm; Reply: 236
Quoted from 1323


I freted and re-measured my fingers over and over... I just can't make my ring fingers longer than my index! HAAA. ... I drove my hubby nuts!  Our sex life suffered... I was manic for about 12 hours!  ha....

But now I'm settling in to my sentence! Ha...

I'm finding I like it here in the land of ricotta cheese and chocolate!  ha...



Yes, I too measured my fingers over and over....and over and over....praying the ring finger was even a millimeter longer. Had it been, I'd be a Hunter.

Nope. Gonnna trust Dr. D on this one and join the Gaterers and experience a new journey. Lunch was Cottage Cheese and fresh pinapple. Pretty awesome!
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 6:34pm; Reply: 237
Quoted from AmyH
....praying the ring finger was even a millimeter longer. Had it been, I'd be a Hunter.

Not true, since the measuring tolerance is 2-3 mm.  ;)

For more information I suggest you read Dr. D's post on finger measuring.

Posted by: Lloyd, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 7:05pm; Reply: 238
The key is in the consistency of how you measure rather than the expected error. If your technique is consistent from one finger to the other and yields easily repeatable results (therefore suggesting consistent amounts of error) then 1mm is a large enough difference to use.

If you note, the website uses 1mm differentials and applies them as valid.
Posted by: Whimsical, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 7:07pm; Reply: 239
I bought a pomelo a couple days ago and tried a sample (love Whole Foods for that) before getting it.  It tastes like a mild orange, not really at all like a grapefruit (which I find very sour).  I haven't cracked mine open yet...
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 7:11pm; Reply: 240
Quoted from Lloyd
If you note, the website uses 1mm differentials and applies them as valid.

The GTD site GT calculator has problems with the finger length algorithm and is currently being worked on.

Posted by: Melissa_J, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 7:16pm; Reply: 241
I just tried a pomelo too, a red one, and I loved it.  To me it tasted like a grapefruit with sugar on it.

I wonder if it does the same thing to detoxification pathways as grapefruit juice? I try to eat grapefruit away from my thyroid med, though I'm not sure that's one of the medicines that it effects anyway.

From what I googled, pumelo probably does act similar to grapefruit, but synthroid is not a medication it has much if any effect on.  So it looks like I can enjoy either one whenever.
Posted by: Whimsical, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 7:43pm; Reply: 242
OK, I'm now eating my pomelo and it is pretty darn sour...  Not so much as grapefruit, which I will have to work up to eating, but still sour.  Not bad, but not a banana.
Posted by: kate4975, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 8:14pm; Reply: 243
So if "potato, white with skin" is an avoid, does that mean peeled white potatoes and any other color like red or purple are neutral if not otherwise listed?
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 8:18pm; Reply: 244
Quoted from Whimsical
OK, I'm now eating my pomelo and it is pretty darn sour...  Not so much as grapefruit, which I will have to work up to eating, but still sour.  Not bad, but not a banana.



"Not bad, but not a banana!":  Tee heeeEEEE!  Love it.





Posted by: Don, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 8:19pm; Reply: 245
Quoted from kate4975
So if "potato, white with skin" is an avoid, does that mean peeled white potatoes and any other color like red or purple are neutral if not otherwise listed?

Only Dr. D can answer that question and he won't be answering it on this website.

Posted by: Jane, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 8:30pm; Reply: 246
Just catching up.  I've been away.  Got my book and tried to do the measurements myself.  I thought I was a Hunter or Gatherer but the measurements seem to indicate Explorer but the profile doesn't fit well and some of the food choices seemed weird to me - whey???? for an O- Secretor???  I did measure myself so maybe really inaccurate?  I need to spend more time with it and try again.
Spent a few days in NH skiing - great conditions.  However, I'm not in great shape.  I planned to take it slow - just a couple of runs the first day.  I felt fine the next morning so I more the second day and I could hardly get out of bed on Sat.  Luckily the weather wasn't great so I took it easy and read a book and a half.  I skiied Sunday for a few hours and then headed on home.
I was so glad to see that the book had arrived but I'm really confused by the results.  
Jane
Posted by: OSuzanna, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 8:40pm; Reply: 247
Jane, since you know your secretor status, go by these things:
torso longer or shorter than legs
upper leg longer or shorter than lower leg
ring fingers longer or shorter than index fingers -
Plug those differences into the advanced chart at the back of the book. The "whether or not" is decided by the bones & secretor status. After that it's just details. Many of us have had trouble with the finger measurements, because they were very close, as are mine. Good luck, and keep the car scraper handy, the temps are gonna bottom out the next 2 nights!
Suzanna
Posted by: kate4975, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 8:46pm; Reply: 248
Quoted from Don
You're right that if he is a secretor he would be a Teacher.

However, with the extra caffeine data he strength tests more towards Explorer now.

Then again you don't know about the extra molar cusp and taster status which could shift the results either way.

As I said before the secretor test is the definitive/best way to confirm his GT.


Alright, secretor test and GT test kits are ordered. He just always makes things more complicated!

Posted by: Don, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 8:51pm; Reply: 249
Quoted from kate4975
Alright, secretor test and GT test kits are ordered. He just always makes things more complicated!

You don't need the GT kit if you get the secretor test, unless you just want to know his taster status.

Posted by: kate4975, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 9:06pm; Reply: 250
Quoted from Don
Then again you don't know about the extra molar cusp and taster status which could shift the results either way.


I figured I'd better get all the details!

Posted by: Don, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 9:17pm; Reply: 251
Quoted from kate4975
I figured I'd better get all the details!

Just understand you don't need those other details to 100% confirm his GT if you know is blood type, Rh, and secretor status.

Posted by: teri, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 9:37pm; Reply: 252
Quoted from kate4975
If I had to guess on secretor status, I would say he's secretor as he's not sickly. He is sensitive to caffeine and his index fingerprints do seem to match


I thought I was a secretor too for the same reason. I'm 46 and never get sick (knock on wood). Last cold I had was about 7 years ago, I remember it well. It was the cold to end all colds, literally. Since then, when others in the household get one, I never do. Anyway, just found out a couple of days ago that I'm a non-secretor. Also very sensitive to caffeine.
Posted by: Jane, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 9:48pm; Reply: 253
O Suzanna,
Thanks.  I did the measurements and it comes out Explorer but when I read the description and the strength testing, it doesn't fit well.  Finger lengths are very very close.  I'll try again over the next few days.  
It's supposed to get very cold tonight and then warm up for the weekend.  Skiing is awesome!!
Jane
Posted by: OSuzanna, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 9:58pm; Reply: 254
My understanding is that we'll fit our genotypes in varying degrees. Until I did the measuring properly, I just assumed I was a Hunter, from being an O and meat-happy. A whole lotta adjustment goin' on! Red meat went from 12+ X/week to 3 X/week  :o  :'( :'(
Posted by: Mercedes, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, 10:15pm; Reply: 255
Quoted from kate4975
So if "potato, white with skin" is an avoid, does that mean peeled white potatoes and any other color like red or purple are neutral if not otherwise listed?


Well besides sweet potatoes and blue potatoes, I'm pretty sure all potatoes are "white". We're talking about the potato "meat"- not the skin.

Potatoes with skin are higher in nutrients, and I *think* are lower are on the GI. Keeping in mind gatherer guidlelines, I'm pretty sure that means any and all potatoes are out (cept those sweet taters we get in 3 months...)
Posted by: kate4975, Thursday, January 3, 2008, 1:06am; Reply: 256
Quoted from Mercedes


Well besides sweet potatoes and blue potatoes, I'm pretty sure all potatoes are "white". We're talking about the potato "meat"- not the skin.

Potatoes with skin are higher in nutrients, and I *think* are lower are on the GI. Keeping in mind gatherer guidlelines, I'm pretty sure that means any and all potatoes are out (cept those sweet taters we get in 3 months...)


But if it specifically says "with skin", is it the skin that should be avoided?

Posted by: Lola, Thursday, January 3, 2008, 5:24am; Reply: 257
Quoted Text
I heard they are something akin to an "occasional neutral", yes?!  Don't toy with me, Lola!

ok then, in 6 months time!! lol ;)
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Thursday, January 3, 2008, 5:31am; Reply: 258
I have to say that I'm reacting very, very well to the top-tier supplements for the Hunter genotype that Dr. D listed.  Also, one of my concerns was for cinnamon, as I've been told I'm allergic to it but, apparently, it seems to be enhancing my metabolism.

I'm pretty much a bottom-line person; that informs all of my decisions.  If something works reliably, I don't need a logical explanation for it, because it has phenomenal validity by virtue of its simply working.  

However, nothing quite cements the deal like a nice, compact and elegant, logical explanation for its efficacy.  Once I get that, I'm essentially bulletproof in my conviction.
Posted by: OSuzanna, Thursday, January 3, 2008, 5:33am; Reply: 259
Quoted from 521
I have to say that I'm reacting very, very well to the top-tier supplements for the Hunter genotype that Dr. D listed.  Also, one of my concerns was for cinnamon, as I've been told I'm allergic to it but, apparently, it seems to be enhancing my metabolism.

I'm pretty much a bottom-line person; that informs all of my decisions.  If something works reliably, I don't need a logical explanation for it, because it has phenomenal validity by virtue of its simply working.  

However, nothing quite cements the deal like a nice, compact and elegant, logical explanation for its efficacy.  Once I get that, I'm essentially bulletproof in my conviction.


Woah, zen archer, wonderfully said. 8)
Posted by: AmyH, Thursday, January 3, 2008, 10:33am; Reply: 260
Chocolate warning: For those who Chocolate is now a superfood --- if you are sensitive to caffine, be careful. I had some 81% organic chocolate after dinner and was up ALL LAST NIGHT. I learned the hard way.

But, mmmmmm....it was yummy!
Posted by: AmyH, Thursday, January 3, 2008, 10:38am; Reply: 261
Quoted from Don

Not true, since the measuring tolerance is 2-3 mm.  ;)

For more information I suggest you read Dr. D's post on finger measuring.



I did read the post and my index finger and ring are so close. in fact, the index the ever so tiny, slightely longer. So even if equal, it goes to the index. And with a longer torso, longer lower leg, O+non... I'm a Gatherer.

I am going with how I feel and if it works, great. If not, I've been thinking about visiting the clinic.

Thanks for your help.
Posted by: teri, Thursday, January 3, 2008, 4:18pm; Reply: 262
Quoted from 521
I'm pretty much a bottom-line person; that informs all of my decisions.  If something works reliably, I don't need a logical explanation for it, because it has phenomenal validity by virtue of its simply working.  

However, nothing quite cements the deal like a nice, compact and elegant, logical explanation for its efficacy.  Once I get that, I'm essentially bulletproof in my conviction.


Where diet is concerned, I have a powerful need for scientific explanation to become a believer, otherwise I always default to my own logic. Unfortunately, my body does not seem to give me clues to whether something specific is working or not (exceptions caffeine and exercise). Doesn't mean that there isn't something good or bad going on in there, though, I've always known that. Don't want to be unpleasantly surprised in the future, hence my need for the details of the science as it happens.

Book hasn't arrived yet. :'( There is no bookstore where I live so I can't just run out and get a copy like some of you did.
Posted by: drgnwng1, Friday, January 4, 2008, 2:15am; Reply: 263
When I did my measuring my index fingers were 6.1 cm and rings 6 cm. Now that is close!! I am happy with my Gatherer status. The beef was starting to get to me. I love beef but I felt I was eating the whole herd :o
Posted by: TJ, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 1:35am; Reply: 264
I didn't see in the book how to do measurements for children.  Is there any difference you think?  I would suspect all the weird growth spurting kids do, that would make measuring for GT an iffy proposition.
Posted by: Lloyd, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 1:43am; Reply: 265
Children have not finished growing, so the measurements will not always reflect the proper GT.
Posted by: kate4975, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 1:56am; Reply: 266
Quoted from TJ
I didn't see in the book how to do measurements for children.  Is there any difference you think?  I would suspect all the weird growth spurting kids do, that would make measuring for GT an iffy proposition.


Dr. D said to start with their blood type and Rh to narrow down possible genotypes and then strength test and use intuition based on the descriptions. He said he'll work on measurements for children but I don't know how young is feasible and when Dr. D will have the time!
Posted by: mikendomsmum, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 2:11am; Reply: 267
What I wonder is if the children's GenoType reflect the parent's as the blood type does.  
Can two Gatherers produce a Hunter? ;)
Posted by: meribelle, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 2:49am; Reply: 268
My husband is a Teacher.  What are some good things that you Teachers get to eat?
Posted by: C_Sharp, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 3:47am; Reply: 269
Quoted from meribelle
My husband is a Teacher.  What are some good things that you Teachers get to eat?


Turkey, goat, cod, perch, salmon, many cheeses that As did not get to eat before, almond, peanuts, walnuts, tempeh, tofu, Avocados, pumpkin, cranberries, lemons, curry

Posted by: meribelle, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 12:05pm; Reply: 270
It seems that all the Teachers are non secretors.  He has never been tested.  I am glad I finally was tested and found out my secretor status.  I guess what is good about the GTD is you can get a Label without knowing your status.  Thanks for your answer.
Posted by: Don, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 3:20pm; Reply: 271
Quoted from meribelle
It seems that all the Teachers are non secretors.

Per the book page 138 Teachers are typically secretors.

Posted by: Gumby, Saturday, January 5, 2008, 4:03pm; Reply: 272
Quoted from meribelle
It seems that all the Teachers are non secretors.  He has never been tested.  I am glad I finally was tested and found out my secretor status.  I guess what is good about the GTD is you can get a Label without knowing your status.  Thanks for your answer.


Yup, teacher secretor here.  We get to eat lots of good things! ;D  Depends what kinds of things your husband likes as to what might appeal to him.  But c#'s list is a good start!  plus chicken eggs are a superfood too, and we get 6 - 9 per week!  onions, avocado, bok choy, garlic, ginger, squash...it's allll good. 8)
Posted by: cindyt, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 3:51am; Reply: 273
How do I add my genotype under my Avatar?
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 4:04am; Reply: 274
Quoted from cindyt
How do I add my genotype under my Avatar?


In the Member Center under "Edit Profile", click Profile Information, scroll down to Personal Message and enter your Genotype in the message box and Save it.
Posted by: 12 (Guest), Sunday, January 6, 2008, 4:10am; Reply: 275
Quoted from mikendomsmum
What I wonder is if the children's GenoType reflect the parent's as the blood type does.  
Can two Gatherers produce a Hunter? ;)


Yes, they can produce a Hunter, but they could also produce an Explorer.  So, the parent's GT does not necessarily reflect in a child's GT.

Example:  I am a Teacher; my father is a Warrior and my mother and brother are both Nomads....
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 4:29am; Reply: 276
Quoted from Curious
I have not got the book yet (due to arrive on 17th January). But I read somewhere that 0-Nonnies can only be explorers or gatherers based on lenght of fingers.
On my right hand my index finger is 7 cm, my ring finger is 6.5 cm. On my left hand my index finger is 6.9 cm, my ring finger is 6.5 cm. Does that make me an explorer or a gatherer? I don't have any weight issues (I am 172 cm tall and weigh 57 kg).
Can anyone help?


The tables show that a female O(+) Nonnie with your finger measurements is a Gatherer.
Posted by: Curious, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 6:28am; Reply: 277
Thanks ABJoe,
I would not have thought that I was a gatherer, based on the description on the Genotype side. But my index finger is definitely longer than my ring finger.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 6:49am; Reply: 278
gosh, if the length difference is obvious, you might be an explorer......
mine are very alike, and that makes me a gatherer.
Posted by: Curious, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 6:54am; Reply: 279
Quoted from Lola
gosh, if the length difference is obvious, you might be an explorer......
mine are very alike, and that makes me a gatherer.


The difference is 0.5 cm (index 7 cm and ring 6.5 cm on right hand and index 6.9 and ring 6.5 on left hand). If I just look at the fingers they look the same, but the measurement makes them different. Would those 0.5 cm be enough to make me an explorer? The explorer profile would fit me better, although what I have read about the foodlists is not what I like.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 7:02am; Reply: 280
.5 cm are over the 1-2 mm range......
have you strength tested and everything?
Posted by: Curious, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 7:11am; Reply: 281
Quoted from Lola
have you strength tested and everything?
.
No, I have not. My book is on its way and - according to Amazon - likely to arrive on 17th.

Posted by: AmyH, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 12:41pm; Reply: 282
Quoted from Curious
I have not got the book yet (due to arrive on 17th January). But I read somewhere that 0-Nonnies can only be explorers or gatherers based on lenght of fingers.
On my right hand my index finger is 7 cm, my ring finger is 6.5 cm. On my left hand my index finger is 6.9 cm, my ring finger is 6.5 cm. Does that make me an explorer or a gatherer? I don't have any weight issues (I am 172 cm tall and weigh 57 kg).
Can anyone help?


I'm an O nonnie and I fit everything for a Hunter - strength,personality, body type...yet..I'm a Gatherer. It all came down to my finger length. even if your fingers are the SAME length, the index finger wins out.

Luckily knowing your secreter status will make figuring out easier. it now depends on your leg/torso lengths.

I have apopted the Gatherer status after fretting I was not a hunter. But to be honest, I really like the food choices and going with it for a while to see how I feel. So far feel Fabulous! :)
Posted by: meribelle, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 2:58pm; Reply: 283
Quoted from Curious
I have not got the book yet (due to arrive on 17th January). But I read somewhere that 0-Nonnies can only be explorers or gatherers based on lenght of fingers.


I don't think this is true.  I am an O nonnie and I ended up a Hunter.  Now I am really confused!
Posted by: mikendomsmum, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 5:24pm; Reply: 284
Quoted from 12


Yes, they can produce a Hunter, but they could also produce an Explorer.  So, the parent's GT does not necessarily reflect in a child's GT.

Example:  I am a Teacher; my father is a Warrior and my mother and brother are both Nomads....


Thank you for answering!  My husband and I are gatherers, one son is a gatherer and the other is a hunter, tall and thin, just like my father who is probably a hunter.  My mother is a gatherer.  I'm going to try to figure out what my husbands parents are today.  
Posted by: Lloyd, Sunday, January 6, 2008, 5:42pm; Reply: 285
Quoted from Lola
gosh, if the length difference is obvious, you might be an explorer......
mine are very alike, and that makes me a gatherer.


It's not the amount of the difference that determines the GT, it's the direction of the difference. Therefore, both rings longer, both indexes longer, different on each hand. Having indexes longer on both is the same whether it is a 'tie' (tie goes to the index) or a 'blowout' (.5 cm and up).

A gatherer does not become an explorer by virtue of the indexes being even longer than other gatherers.  ;)

Posted by: Don, Monday, January 7, 2008, 2:53pm; Reply: 286
Quoted from Curious
I have not got the book yet (due to arrive on 17th January). But I read somewhere that 0-Nonnies can only be explorers or gatherers based on lenght of fingers.
On my right hand my index finger is 7 cm, my ring finger is 6.5 cm. On my left hand my index finger is 6.9 cm, my ring finger is 6.5 cm. Does that make me an explorer or a gatherer? I don't have any weight issues (I am 172 cm tall and weigh 57 kg).
Can anyone help?

Based on that data you could be a Gatherer or an Explorer.

You would be an Explorer if you legs are longer than your torso and your lower leg is longer than your upper leg. For all other combination of those measurements you would be a Gatherer.
Posted by: Don, Monday, January 7, 2008, 2:56pm; Reply: 287
Quoted from Lola
.5 cm are over the 1-2 mm range......
have you strength tested and everything?

Curious doesn't need to strength test to determine her GT because she knows her blood type, Rh, and secretor status.

Posted by: 521 (Guest), Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 7:58am; Reply: 288
One of the things I've noticed (or thing I've noticed, if I'm right) about the GTD is that it's a mixture of both embedded genetic programming (strictly DNA) and conditionally-acquired epi-genetic programming (methylation and acetylization).  

In this sense, the Genotype Diet seems a lot to me like a blend of both permanent memory (chipset memory, which cannot be removed except by physical destruction) and plastic memory (RAM and hard drive memory, which are re-programmable).

Because of this, my understanding is that the Genotype Diet encompasses the intersection of both the things which are strictly due to DNA (blood type, Rh, secretor status), and the things which are highly determined by pre-natal, epigenetic influence (such as finger and leg length).  Thus, the Genotype Diet attempts to comprehend both the largely permanent and the largely alterable, or at least temperable, through diet and other forms of supplementation.  And both are transmissible through reproductive inheritance.
Posted by: Don, Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 5:59pm; Reply: 289
Quoted from grooviechickie
I have yet to get the book (we're looking over the weekend to see if it's been released in Australia yet - if not, we'll have to buy it online).

Is there any test-like thing I can do while I'm waiting (impatiently)?!

Look at the GenoType videos on YouTube and starting collecting all the measurements.
Posted by: TJ, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 5:06pm; Reply: 290
Quoted from vandelam
It's almost un-Australian not to eat an animal that is part of our national coat-of-arms  ;)


Lol, can't say that about the USA.  Can you imagine, "Bald Eagle Pot Pie"?
Posted by: kate4975, Friday, January 11, 2008, 6:35pm; Reply: 291
Quoted from TJ


If you make it expensive enough, you can guarantee that some rich curious epicureans will be interested.


Officially, I'm sickened by such a suggestion. Unofficially, I have decent access to some eagles, for the right price.  ;)

Posted by: Jenny, Friday, January 11, 2008, 8:07pm; Reply: 292
Quoted from Curious

Mine arrived on Monday. Kangaroo for gatherers is not listed, so this means it would be neutral. However, I don't like kangaroo much, tried it once and it made me feel sick.


Kangaroo is also not listed as either Benef. or Toxic for Warriors too, so I assume it is neutral. However, it is not very appealing to me.
Jenny

Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, January 11, 2008, 9:17pm; Reply: 293
Quoted from lakes-lady68
I'm tempted to build a website for it and see if it sells lol
Nice one


You may get some fish and game investigations and lots of environmentalist hate mail...  But hey, add some spice to life!
Posted by: Lola, Monday, January 14, 2008, 5:35am; Reply: 294
Quoted Text
Is there any test-like thing I can do while I'm waiting (impatiently)?!

try all the measurements on utube
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=GenoTypeDiet
all videos
Posted by: meribelle, Monday, January 14, 2008, 11:33am; Reply: 295
Quoted from 521
One of the things I've noticed (or thing I've noticed, if I'm right) about the GTD is that it's a mixture of both embedded genetic programming (strictly DNA) and conditionally-acquired epi-genetic programming (methylation and acetylization).  

In this sense, the Genotype Diet seems a lot to me like a blend of both permanent memory (chipset memory, which cannot be removed except by physical destruction) and plastic memory (RAM and hard drive memory, which are re-programmable).

Because of this, my understanding is that the Genotype Diet encompasses the intersection of both the things which are strictly due to DNA (blood type, Rh, secretor status), and the things which are highly determined by pre-natal, epigenetic influence (such as finger and leg length).  Thus, the Genotype Diet attempts to comprehend both the largely permanent and the largely alterable, or at least temperable, through diet and other forms of supplementation.  And both are transmissible through reproductive inheritance.


Wow!  I like this explanation.  I wish I could explain it so well when I am talking to people!
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