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Posted by: Heidi, Monday, November 12, 2007, 10:46pm
Hello Nonnies, I read in one of the books that the non-secretors are more likely to have issues with their teeth. I've also noticed on the "you might be a nonnie if..." threads that it does seem to be one of the common traits. Are there any nonnies on the board who have never had a cavity?
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Monday, November 12, 2007, 11:27pm; Reply: 1
I have always had cavities, but for the past 10 years not so bad. I have never had gum problems, but on occasison have mouth ulcers....a nonnie trait.
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, November 12, 2007, 11:59pm; Reply: 2
No cavities??  That would definitely NOT describe me.  

I do have a mouthful of beautiful crowns, though.   ;D
Posted by: Linda, Tuesday, November 13, 2007, 12:41am; Reply: 3
I think I've had a cavity in every tooth :-/. (Plus 3 crowns and a bridge) I have noticed that since being on BTD, my mouth health is great.  Just regular maintenance is needed.  My gums are healthy and there has been no new decay.  In fact had my teeth professionally cleaned just this morning and my mouth got rave revews from both the hygenist and the dentist ;D
Posted by: honeybee, Tuesday, November 13, 2007, 12:43am; Reply: 4
lots of cavities here in my past too.. I remember being aghast at needing 6-8 fillings in 2003, and opting for 1 removal too.

I have had good reports since btd from dentist tho, i say it must be the green tea -and not pigging out on sweets (as much!)
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Tuesday, November 13, 2007, 1:48am; Reply: 5
I never had cavities my whole life, but finally had two fillings put in just this past year.

But then again, I was diagnosed with allergies at an early age, and told never to drink milk.  I've also never had much of a sweet tooth.  I think that had something to do with the health of my teeth.
Posted by: Squirrel, Tuesday, November 13, 2007, 2:01am; Reply: 6

My husband and I are both nonnies (he's and A) and we both have perfect teeth - never had a filling in our lives.

He has no health issues, but I, like Ron, (ok) was diagnosed with allergies at age 7 and taken off milk products. I didn't start rebelling and eating chocolate until mid-teens, by which time my teeth were probably developed enough. Both of us had fluoride treatments in our early teens when it became fashionable in the UK.
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, November 13, 2007, 2:24am; Reply: 7
Well, I had my first cavity when I was a teenager, and my second was soon after.  Grew up on a no sugar diet and drank mineral-rich well water, which our dentist said was probably the reason our teeth were so wonderful.  Just found out I have two new cavities between teeth. ::)  From not flossing enough, they said.  So I don't have the typical nonnie mouth, but I may eventually if I don't keep up with the flossing. ;D :P
Posted by: TJ, Tuesday, November 13, 2007, 4:08am; Reply: 8
I've never had a cavity or braces, but I have had a couple of fillings in "weak spots" -- personally I think the dentist was just behind on his yacht payment ::)
Posted by: Squirrel, Tuesday, November 13, 2007, 5:21am; Reply: 9
Heidi - this is fascinating! Should have been a poll then we could have got some stats out of it! So far the O-nonnies' teeth are in the lead ...   ;D
Posted by: Debra+, Tuesday, November 13, 2007, 1:18pm; Reply: 10
Eleven of them here...from early teenage years and up.  Since BTD I have also had great reviews from dentist and hygenist.  :D

Debra :)
Posted by: Schluggell, Tuesday, November 13, 2007, 1:56pm; Reply: 11
My teeth were perfectly fine until my early thirties...then had to go to a different dentist....He came up with an excuse to put some sort of seal on 2 of Wisdom teeth {something about the enamel not covering} - To this day its the only 2 teeth I have had problems with.
Later on of course there were "problems" with the seal so they had to do fillings, the dentist cried "You want what? Serramyck?" - Ultimately they got their wish. I no longer have those 2 wisdom teeth. Just have to keep their grubby hands off the remaining 2. "It shure is easy to remove them! You don't want to keep them do you?"
Their latest excuse since I told them once that I am mostly vegetarian, - Apparently I have excessive 'enamel wear'. Hmm anymore than anyone else whom uses toothpaste with Carbonates & chalk {ie: Abrasives} I wonder?...
Posted by: Heidi, Tuesday, November 13, 2007, 4:09pm; Reply: 12
Thank you for your replies. It's good to know that not all nonnies have issues with their teeth.  ;D

I'm sure secretors have their share of tooth decay and gum disease too, it can't be just nonnies keeping the denitists in business.  ;)

Posted by: 1007 (Guest), Tuesday, November 13, 2007, 4:58pm; Reply: 13
No cavities here or fillings.   ;D
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, November 13, 2007, 5:01pm; Reply: 14
two new As on board!
welcome both! ;)
Posted by: accjulie, Tuesday, November 13, 2007, 5:09pm; Reply: 15
Intersting question!  I found out a few weeks ago that I'm a nonnie and I have very similar traits as my father.  Both of my parents are type A but my mom was betting that since I'm a nonnie, that my dad would be one too (I have the same bad teeth and skin as him).  Turns out she was right!  She's a secretor and he's a nonnie...too funny!
Posted by: Mary M., Tuesday, November 13, 2007, 5:34pm; Reply: 16
Hi fellow Nonies,

Having a sweet tooth since forever and drinking 3 bottles of coke a day when I was around 12 or 13 years, well, the dentist was a too familiar face to me. Crowns, one root canal, inlays and onlays.

Now my children (both Os, one nonnie, the other unknown) had no cavaties until after their braces were taken off in their teens and then, although not as severe as their Mom, they've had trouble. Bad orthodontist! Braces left on tooooo long, etc.

My O husband also has trouble with his teeth and he doesn't have a sweet tooth just a "fat" tooth (likes that grease!)

We all have healthy gums, however.

Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, November 13, 2007, 9:45pm; Reply: 17
Heidiiiii, look at my smile ;) :D :D :D ......

today I am sure that merely all of my family are nonnies, coz all have the same probs. with their smile ;) :D :D :D..... laaaa :P ;) :B :B 8)
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, November 13, 2007, 10:06pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from Amazone I.
Heidiiiii, look at my smile ;) :D :D :D ......

Isa dear, does this mean you have no teeth left?   :-/
Posted by: Melissa_J, Tuesday, November 13, 2007, 10:33pm; Reply: 19
I didn't have a cavity until I was 32 (though my first set of teeth were full of them)

My dad didn't have a cavity until he was in his 50s, so must be some good gene there.

I do have to take extra care of my gums though, I'm sure that's pretty normal.
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 4:16am; Reply: 20
Well, if you're talking about gums now, that's a different story.  I've frequently had raw, bleeding gums when I brush my teeth.
Posted by: Chris, Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 7:27am; Reply: 21
Yeah, my gums take a lot of care otherwise they bleed.  I have slightly recessed gums in between some teeth.  No major cavities, but I have always spent a lot of time brushing each day.  Nowadays I spend a lot of time flossing too to make sure my gums stay healthy.  
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 11:16am; Reply: 22
:B :B..... Victoria ;) ;D ;D ;D.... nope some are still there ;) ;D ;D(funny)LOL(funny)(funny)(evil)
it was only meant that mostly the nonnies do have problems with teeth ;)..... Victoria, have to be honest, should have visited the dentist since loooong time, but I am just too scarried and
cowardly to do so :-/.....coz I know that all have to go out ::) :B :X :-/......grrrrrr.......and when I see swiss prices so I get really cold ;) (happy_gangsta)(gangsta)(goofy)(verymad)
Posted by: shells, Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 12:05pm; Reply: 23
Perfect teeth?....Absolutely not!

From quite an early age many cavities....mouth ulcers from quite young as well....braces only exacerbated these problems.  

But my biggest problem at the moment is extreme recession of the gums (with what my dentist calls 'root rot').  Apparently I have the mouth of an elderly person!  Oh yes and thinning of the teeth (a bit see-through).    H E L P     :X
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 4:32pm; Reply: 24
folic acid added to a 1/4 glass of water for rinsing is very helpful, I ve heard.

found a few more notes

Quoted Text
Co Enzyme Q10: The demand for the nutrient
skyrockets when gum tissue is under stress.
50-100 mg daily taken with a fatty meal for
3-4 months helps enhance tissue recovery
avocado: Help block the degradation of
preelastic fibres and mature elastic fibres by and
enzyme called human leukocyte elastase (HLE). Avocado and
soybean have fractions called 'unsaponifiables
' which may be beneficial in patients with
gingival inflammation and parodontitis, since
HLE plays a major role in these disease states.

Selenium: This powerful antioxidant has been
proven to block free radical damage to gum
Folic acid: Especially as a mouth rinse, has
been long know to help prevet gum recession in
pregnant or otherwise health individuals
dissolving 2 400mcg tablets of folic acid into
a shot glass of warm water, and swishing it
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 9:21pm; Reply: 25
One of the most effective aids for gum health that I have come across is the liberal use of baking soda.  My experience is that it is a little too abrasive to brush with, but my daughter uses it that way.  I brush with a mild natural soap, rinse well, and then pat baking soda at the base of every tooth with a wet fingertip.  That gets quite a bit of the powder in the mouth.  Then I swish it all around very well with saliva and spit.  The next step is to floss thoroughly, and that gets the baking soda up between the teeth and against the gums.  The bacteria that cause bleeding gums cannot live in a base environment, much preferring an acidic condition.  

This practice has eliminated completely my gum inflammation, and there is no more bleeding at all.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 10:33pm; Reply: 26
great tip Victoria!

BS also keeps your teeth stain free!
not to mention bad breath!
if it helps your refrigerator eliminate bad odors, why not your mouth, right? ;)
Posted by: shells, Friday, November 16, 2007, 8:09am; Reply: 27
Thanks so much Lola.   :)

I've  been on the Coq10 for ages and the selenium in an antioxidant formula taken daily... but will try the folic acid rinse and up the avocados

Cheers   :D
Posted by: Lola, Friday, November 16, 2007, 3:45pm; Reply: 28
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Sunday, November 18, 2007, 2:16pm; Reply: 29
The only real problem I've ever had with my teeth is that my lower jaw (mandible) is too small to fit all my teeth in, evenly.  As a result, the two teeth alongside the two front-and-center teeth of my lower jaw, are slightly pushed back, out of the line of teeth, giving me a bit of a snaggle-tooth look on my bottom row of teeth.

As I was strongly discouraged from eating red meat all my life, I partly attribute these crooked teeth to that, because I've been hearing over and over again that red meat may be important for bone growth.
Posted by: RedLilac, Sunday, November 18, 2007, 3:12pm; Reply: 30
Iíve had horrible teeth all my life.  Since being on the BTD, I havenít had any new cavities (knock on wood).  I go to the dentist to get all those silver fillings out.  I do still have gum problems though.
Posted by: zola, Monday, November 19, 2007, 8:12am; Reply: 31
One cavity at 33 years old. We used a lot of fluoride toothpaste at my house. Elementary school classes used to use fluoride gel together (for one minute). This probably helped.

As a teen I got sealants on my molars. After these wore off was when i got the cavity.

I've always had more problems with swollen and bleeding gums. That and an aching in my lower jaw. Vitamin C helps keep the bleeding down. It happens when I forget to  brush at night.

The dentist attributed the no cavity streak with having the right balance of bacteria in my mouth.

I drank a lot of milk as a kid too. I wanted to be healthy and grow up strong so I bought the Milk Council's daily dairy messages. This probably helped with my dense bones (but i sure don't miss the phlegm!)
Posted by: OSuzanna, Monday, November 19, 2007, 1:21pm; Reply: 32
Cavity Central, from the get-go.
My mister and I both recently cheated and ate a lot of wheat-based stuff. We both noticed we got bleeding gums immediately. Behave on BTD, and the bleeding stopped.
Gotta run. Love ya all, see ya later.
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, November 19, 2007, 8:26pm; Reply: 33
Baking soda does wonders on bleeding gums.   :K)
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, November 19, 2007, 10:21pm; Reply: 34
sweeties... I am sorry to go against, neither any supps nor whatsoever called aids worked for me...nada...nada..just n a d a....mostly I get to hear...hey you aren't ok for the cleanings of my dents ::) :X...ha-ha-haaa more nobody can do for em...but really since I can use my brain, nothing worked :-/.....
and today I am sooo feed up (since aprox. 2 years right now, that  I won't do anything anymore...just take em out and feel good without em ;)  ;D :D :D :D :D :DLOLLOLLOL
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, November 19, 2007, 10:57pm; Reply: 35
Oh Isa, I have a feeling you are losing your teeth because of all the years before you found the BTD, and ate ALL the wrong foods, as well as all the coffee which robbed your teeth and bones of minerals.   :K)
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, December 9, 2007, 2:17pm; Reply: 36
ahem :B :X yep one of those causa's might have had been the trigger, but all my minerals are ok ;)..... I think it's merely a genetical issue as well...none of my family (we are a lot of AB'ers and B's) do have had good :-/....(pick_nose)(mad)(shrug)(bunny)
Posted by: yaeli, Sunday, December 9, 2007, 2:59pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from Lola
folic acid added to a 1/4 glass of water for rinsing is very helpful, I ve heard.

I just felt there was something in here for non-nonnie me too  :K) (woot) never lose hope for your gums
Posted by: 544 (Guest), Sunday, December 9, 2007, 5:26pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from Captain_Janeway
I have always had cavities, but for the past 10 years not so bad. I have never had gum problems, but on occasison have mouth ulcers....a nonnie trait.

Really? Mouth ulcers? I get those really is a nonnie trait?  ??)
I haven't had my secretor status tested....but I am leaning to getting it done even sooner now...  :o
Posted by: GillianR, Saturday, January 26, 2008, 10:51pm; Reply: 39
Hi all.

I didn't have a cavity until I was 19, even though I ate chocolate most days and didn't brush my teeth regularly. I had milk daily and cheddar cheese most days, had roast beef and potatoes for many meals.
My sister (an A, most likely a sec.) had a filling every time she went to the dentist. She drank no milk. I have a baby tooth still (yes, a 54 year old baby tooth!). It has been filled but is still strong.

My Dad (an A, probably a nonsec) died at 87, with all his teeth. I found out that he brushed his teeth once a day , in the morning. He did use a toothpick. He was Very particular about his diet. He was always meticulous about his personal habits and never had bad breath, even on his deathbed, so I was surprised about the once a day brushing. He often ate cheddar cheese, which I have heard protects the teeth.

Since I have been on the BTD some of my teeth have started to darken. Now that I am on the genotype diet and can no longer have soy milk I worry about the calcium.

After I went on the BTD I noticed that foods that weren't good for me coated my teeth. When I ate good things my teeth felt clean and polished. Anyone else notice this?
Posted by: teri, Sunday, January 27, 2008, 6:14am; Reply: 40
Newly discovered nonnie here with good teeth. No baby's but still have all wisdom's. Never any mouth ulcers. Are those the same as canker sores? I've had a couple of those over the years.
Posted by: Novelia, Sunday, January 27, 2008, 6:53am; Reply: 41
Quoted from 544

Really? Mouth ulcers? I get those really is a nonnie trait?  ??)

Yes and they also can be a symptom of gluten intolerance. I was so surprised that after I dropped gluten from my diet I didn't get them any more! I used to get them frequently! I 'cheated' by eating some bread after many months of being gluten free and lo, one cropped up the next day.

Posted by: Squirrel, Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 2:37pm; Reply: 42
Quoted from Novelia
Yes and they also can be a symptom of gluten intolerance. I was so surprised that after I dropped gluten from my diet I didn't get them any more! I used to get them frequently! I 'cheated' by eating some bread after many months of being gluten free and lo, one cropped up the next day.
Wow I never knew that. I get them all the time, even on the BTD. It's rare that I haven't got at least one, and sometimes the pain makes me utterly miserable. But then I'm still having the odd bit of amaranth, kamut, rye and lots of rice, all of which are allowed for O-nonnies. Kamut is now the only one which is out on the GTD, and I haven't had any for 3 weeks now, but I'm still getting mouth ulcers.

I have no cavities or gum trouble though. Maybe the nonnie mouth troubles manifest in different ways?

Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, January 29, 2008, 7:15pm; Reply: 43
Quoted from GillianR

Since I have been on the BTD some of my teeth have started to darken.

My teeth have stained a lot on the BTD.  However, it is surface stain from green tea, carrot/wheat grass juice, beets, blueberries, cherries and all the other deeply pigmented foods that I eat regularly now.

The Ecodent tooth powder is doing a great job of removing all stains if I use it daily.  It's mainly baking powder, but not nearly as abrasive as straight baking powder.
Posted by: 1328 (Guest), Wednesday, January 30, 2008, 1:54am; Reply: 44
My mouth is one big cavity!   ;D ;D
Last fall I had so much dental work done.  8 cavities and 5 teeth pulled.  lots of gum problems to.  I rinsed my mouth with a drop of tea tree oil in a glass of water... really helped cut out the sore bleeding gums.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, January 30, 2008, 5:51am; Reply: 45
nuts also stain teeth big time!
Posted by: wit, Wednesday, January 30, 2008, 2:04pm; Reply: 46
spent my life as a kid in the dentists chair--but that all ended when I smartened up as a young adult and eschwed sugar and junk food. C10, Vit C and Vit A all good for the gums but flossing and regular cleaning by a pro is essential I think for us nonnies. I can tell my oldest son isnt a nonnie just by this teeth, absolutely perfect, although he was raised junk food free.
Posted by: 1328 (Guest), Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 9:35pm; Reply: 47
Just got back from the dentist and good news!...NO CAVITIES!  I was almost certain I had another.  I did have a lot of tartar build up since the last time I was there, which was 2 months ago.  The one cleaning my teeth says that my type of teeth collect a lot of tartar.  So now I have no gingevitus or cavities! ::D
Posted by: Ellie, Thursday, February 21, 2008, 1:03am; Reply: 48
I have just had a tooth taken out - always one of my worst nightmares, but I think this has been a weak spot for a few years, and I keep getting infections all over the place at the moment.It is my gums that are a challenge.

I am experimenting at the moment with teeth blotting,where you don't brush the teeth, you blot up the plaque  (apparently when you brush normally you brush any plaque into the gum, hence the problems), and also you clean the whole mouth, and use the same brush to floss (I am just about getting the hang of it). I have noticed that although I still keep getting infections in different parts, they seem to clear up, rather than get worse at least. It may be I need to do it more than once a day which I have been at the moment (interestingly, you do not need water as the brush needs to be dry to work - you have to keep sucking the brush for this - you should have seen my dad's face when he caught my mum & I  ;D)My fiance says his gums have been bleeding less since using them. My mouth is certainly getting a much thorough clear out than it's ever had! Most of the plaque I find is around my mouth, rather than on the teeth.Amazing!

This is the link to where I got them from in the UK with some more information: I ordered the DVD which explains how to use them.

I hope to see more improvement as I go on.
Posted by: Heidi, Saturday, February 23, 2008, 3:21am; Reply: 49
I just got the results of my secretor test and it looks like I can reply to my own question  ;D
I've never had a cavity in my life.  I was not allowed to eat sweets at all as a child so maybe that had something to do with it? My gums have always been very healthy too. And I think I've only been to the dentist about 6 times for cleanings.
It sounds like I am a lucky nonnie  ;)
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, February 23, 2008, 5:59am; Reply: 50
welcome to the club!!
we are all privileged to have found an answer to our very unique physiology!
Dr D was set on our path for a reason, no doubt about it!
and we were not so blind to see! ;)
Posted by: Becky, Saturday, February 23, 2008, 3:17pm; Reply: 51
I have always had weak teeth. Sealants when I was young, thin enamal all my life.  These days it seems no matter how I try, they just get worse.   Probably end up like teeth.
Posted by: Frosty, Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 6:26pm; Reply: 52
Well I am not apart of your club of nonnies, thought I was but, the test has proven that I am not.
Even though I am not part of your club I felt compelled to resurrect this post that I obviously missed and answer it as a secretor.

I am a secretor and my teeth have been awful from the get go.  I hated going to the dentist as a child and I hate going to the dentist today.  EVERYTIME and I really mean EVERYTIME I go to the densist it is bad news.  Cavities, cavaties, cavaties and more cavaties!  Now that I am older the new word I hate to hear is crown.  I must say, I do think and act like a princess, but that isn't the kind of crown the dentist is talking about. :B :B

As a kid I would brush my teeth two - three times a day and as an adolecent I had braces, so, I would brush my teeth in the morning after breakfast, at noon after lunch, in the evening after dinner and one more time before I went to bed.  I will add, I also brushed after any snacking.  So, I could very well have brushed 6 - 7 times a day depending on if I snacked.  Guess what?  I still had cavaties and with cavaties that meant fillings.  I have been a dental nightmare my whole life!  Just last year we layed out over $8,000 in dental work on my mouth and that was with insurance (2 plans).  We have to be double insured on my mouth because we know I will use both plans plus a lot of money out of pocket.

Here is the rub in this whole deal.  My brother A+ never has ever had a cavaty in his entire 43 years!  To make it worse as a kid he only brushed his teeth once a day!  >:((verymad) >:(  Now what is that all about?  Why me? ::)(dizzy) ::) Can you say, not fair?

I wasn't much of a candy eater until later into my adult life, so we can't blame the cavaties and bad teeth on eating candy.  

Like I have said before in other posts on this board, I was convinced I was a nonnie because I have a lot of the nonnie traits.  Test have proven me to be a secretor.  So, I thought I would give you all a spin on this dental stuff from a secretor with bad teeth.
Posted by: kauaian, Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 11:54pm; Reply: 53
Hey Frosty,
Thought I would chime in.  A HUGE ditto 4 me.  I also have siblings, don't know their blood type that did not fare as bad as me.  I do realize that my blood type puts me @ high risk for them cavities and that explains it all, but I just wish I wasn't the poster girl for the ADA !
Posted by: nowishow, Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:57pm; Reply: 54
I had quite a few cavities when I was young. Not now.
Since my late 20's I've have trouble with my gums - pockets, infections.
They seem to be stable now, but were very bad before I started the blood type diet. The pockets haven't gotten any worse since then, but I've been eating like a secretor for the last ten years. I just started the Explorer diet about 3 months ago and found out I was a nonnie a few days ago. I wonder if my gum problem will heal up a little.  ;)
Posted by: glamour, Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:12pm; Reply: 55
I've never really had trouble with my teeth. While others were always getting cavities and dental work done, not me. I had one cavity as a child and it fell out (baby tooth). And just this year I had my top wisdom teeth pulled because I had a cavity. Also the first time I have ever had them professionally cleaned. My bottom wisdom were pulled 14 years prior because there wasn't enough room for them to grow in. I don't have any fillings in my mouth at all.
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 5:50am; Reply: 56
wow Heidi.... I become nearly a bit jealous.... ;) feel fine with your
good teeth... ;)(clap)(ok)(dance)(smarty)(sunny)....
Posted by: Tom Martens, Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:15am; Reply: 57
I've got a permanent retainer for my bottom teeth ::) and a top retainer I wear every night :-/
My teeth have a mind of their own :o
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 4:15pm; Reply: 58
;D ;D ;D ;D(hehe)(hehe)(hehe)(hehe)(goofy)(whistle).....
Posted by: jeanb, Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 4:23pm; Reply: 59
Lots of cavities as a child, not one since I had my braces put on at age 12.  A warrior father didn't have one cavity his whole life, never lost a tooth.

O nonnie son good teeth no cavities (dentist says teeth are soft and pitted but not decaying because he brushes, with lots of nagging)

O sec son 1 cavity, again, softer teeth but not real issues.

A sec Warrior husband, teeth knocked out from hockey, full of cavities and crowns.
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