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Posted by: 1011 (Guest), Sunday, September 30, 2007, 5:53am
I used to be a vegetarian. I went back to eating meat and that's when I noticed my hair loss problem. I'm wondering if anyone of any blood type has noticed any problems like this when they weren't on the recommended diet. I don't know if it's simply because I cut out the soy which had estrogenic effects and helped to lower DHT or if it was because all that meat isn't good for my blood type. I am a vegetarian now but it is too early to tell if it is making a difference.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, September 30, 2007, 6:25am; Reply: 1
you will notice a big change once your body rids itself of lectins.
try following the guidelines as close as possible, including lifestyle.
cortisol lowering techniques, etc.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, September 30, 2007, 7:31am; Reply: 2
might be you're lacking traceelements & minerals?? :o zink......or silicea........
Posted by: mikeo, Sunday, September 30, 2007, 2:18pm; Reply: 3
Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
might be you're lacking traceelements & minerals?? :o zink......or silicea........

supplement with horsetail (silica) and MSM (sulfur)
Posted by: 552 (Guest), Sunday, September 30, 2007, 4:53pm; Reply: 4
As far as I know, hair loss is associated w/ low thyroid.  And soy DOES affect the thyroid.  It could be the soy was masking an underlying hypothyroid condition (would need to test), or an allergy/intolerance.  If vegetarian was working for you, why not go back to it, but keep the soy to a minimum (and mostly as seasoning like miso, soy sauce) for a month or so to rule out a problem with soy. I have heard of other A's that have a problem w/ it.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, September 30, 2007, 4:57pm; Reply: 5
to the above, add stinging nettle tea, and B vitamins biotin , B3 and B6..............
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, September 30, 2007, 5:16pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from morelife7
As far as I know, hair loss is associated w/ low thyroid.  .

yep, I'm having this issue right now. My TSH was low on my last blood work......and my hair is falling out.  :-/
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, September 30, 2007, 6:46pm; Reply: 7
thweety....go for l'tyrosine and you will feel fit..fitter...fittest....yeeehhhaaaa ;) ;D ;D ;D......(clap)(dance)(smarty)(dance)(shhh)(sunny)(whistle)(whistle)(smarty)
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, September 30, 2007, 6:52pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
thweety....go for l'tyrosine and you will feel fit..fitter...fittest....yeeehhhaaaa ;) ;D ;D ;D......(clap)(dance)(smarty)(dance)(shhh)(sunny)(whistle)(whistle)(smarty)

Is this post towards me? If so, how much? Hurry, I'll run and take some asap!!  ;D
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, September 30, 2007, 7:55pm; Reply: 9
I am taking about 750 and 1'000mg's daily...thats safe :D....and feel wunnefullll just wunneful (dance)(clap)(smarty)(sunny)

no more tiredness, or problems to get outta bed ;)....and nearly no more pressure on the right side of my thyroide...felt always a form of pressure there :-/ now ...gone ; more foggy brain, no more feeling heavy and sluggish,  and no moodswings either ....... great Italy, just g r e a t !!!!  But I don't know how you might act; perhaps go for the 2x250 mg's daily and then slowly go for more ....ääää begun last week, now its' my 3 or 4th day... hey what a difference....(smarty)(whistle)(smarty)(dance)(dance)
and I thought I should have gone for 5htp...nada....this is the superwaver ;) ;D :D
Posted by: Drea, Monday, October 1, 2007, 3:24pm; Reply: 10
A couple of years ago I was in Italy on a three week walking vacation and my poor body was terribly stressed. I was eating avoids at every meal and walking on feet that were covered in very painful blisters (long story!). My hair started coming out big time, and didn't subside until several months after we came back home and I got compliant foodwise and gave my feet time to heal. I remember going to get my hair cut shortly afterwards, and when the stylist was combing my wet hair, a lot of strands were clinging to her hands. Yuck.
Posted by: italybound, Monday, October 1, 2007, 3:59pm; Reply: 11
I'm jealous and then I'm not.....  ;)     poor you w/ the hair all falling out.....was it long like it is now? My hair is fairly short and it  :o when I comb it and there are 50 hairs being lost. Yes I counted them.......LOL.....just kidding!!  ;)
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, October 1, 2007, 4:09pm; Reply: 12
hey Italymadl 100 hairs per day is NORMAAAAL ;D ;D :D......(smarty)(dance)(whistle)
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, October 1, 2007, 4:22pm; Reply: 13
L Tyrosine is in the Thyroid Support formula by Gaia that I am taking:

Posted by: italybound, Monday, October 1, 2007, 4:33pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
hey Italymadl 100 hairs per day is NORMAAAAL ;D ;D :D......(smarty)(dance)(whistle)

not for me.......  ;) :P ;D   I usually lose very little hair......... :)
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, October 1, 2007, 4:33pm; Reply: 15
:-/ ooo...oooh Victoria, what does mean all those black crosses behind the stuffs ??) :o ;) ;D ;D.......:D

I combine mine with some 500 mg's of purest l'tyrosine & 250mg's....l'tyrosine.....(Solgar,&Natural Factors &....äääh...puritan's pride.....)
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, October 1, 2007, 4:47pm; Reply: 16
Hi Isa!  :-)

What do you think about taking twice the amount recommended on those Gaia Thyroid Support perles?

That would bring up the l'tyrosine quantity.
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Monday, October 1, 2007, 6:10pm; Reply: 17
Wow, good topic.  I am 50, have been losing hair at what feels like too high a rate each day also.  I had a thyroid
nodule that was nuked in the late '90s, before knowing about BTD.  I so wish I had never had that done.  Now I take
synthroid 88mcg.  But I have been reading that many people need the t3 also.  I have tried thyroid support things, but
I am afraid they can't help me now.  But this hair loss is not normal.  So anyway, good to read here about others.  Let us know what helps, thanks!
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, October 1, 2007, 9:07pm; Reply: 18
might be that you're loosing your summer-coat ??) ;) ;D.....Italy.....:D ;D .....

@  Victoria, go and give a try and see what will happen ;)....might be also that's one of the possible replies to CFS ??)....I guess it might be might get sooo sharp minded....Victoria :o :o take care....;) ;D.....:X .....and fit :D ;D....wunneful :o
Posted by: Linda, Monday, October 1, 2007, 9:15pm; Reply: 19
I, too have progressively thinning hair.  Diagnosed with Hashimoto's, and have been on Synthroid for I can't remember how long.  It's getting to the point where I'm trying to plan what to do when it gets too embarrassing to go out in public.   Anyway, I take all the supplements listed above, plus eclipta alba, amla,except I haven't tried the l'tyrosine yet.......will be on the lookout for it.  I'm looking for a magic bullet before it gets too late.
Posted by: italybound, Monday, October 1, 2007, 10:19pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
might be that you're loosing your summer-coat ??) ;) ;D.....Italy.....:D ;D .....

:) :P ;D If that's it, guess I'm running a little behind time LOL............need all the hair I can get for winter coming up. Will try the l'tyrosine. :-)
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Tuesday, October 2, 2007, 1:01am; Reply: 21
Quoted from JLS91978
I used to be a vegetarian. I went back to eating meat and that's when I noticed my hair loss problem. I'm wondering if anyone of any blood type has noticed any problems like this when they weren't on the recommended diet. I don't know if it's simply because I cut out the soy which had estrogenic effects and helped to lower DHT or if it was because all that meat isn't good for my blood type. I am a vegetarian now but it is too early to tell if it is making a difference.

Biotin is also great for the hair, found in eggs and meat. Zinc and silica are great too as Isa has mentioned.
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Tuesday, October 2, 2007, 12:25pm; Reply: 22
Linda, I have been on websites that say that synthroid isn't really a good substitute for normal thyroid.  It's what I am
on also.  Some believe that the synthroid actually slows down and causes the symptoms of hypothyroidism.  Since my thyroid was nuked, I am definitely hypo now.  So it has been a question of what can bring me closer to normal
now.  My endocrinologist only prescribes synthetic t4.  So anyway, if I ever find a solution, I'll post it.  But it has
helped by staying away from wheat and keeping dairy to a minimum.  I suspect candida is involved also......
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, October 2, 2007, 8:23pm; Reply: 23
Paulam, can you find someone to prescribe some Armour thyroid supplementation?
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Tuesday, October 2, 2007, 9:36pm; Reply: 24
I think that is what I need to do, so it's on my list.  There's got to be a dr. in this area
that prescribes natural hormone.....thanks....
Posted by: Linda, Tuesday, October 2, 2007, 11:32pm; Reply: 25
I used to take Armour, and then when I went to the endocrinologist for the 'official diagnosis' he changed it to the synthroid.  His reasoning is that the Armour isn't a steady dose.  You get a rush of hormone when you take it, and it decreases all day.  He said that synthroid makes your hormone level the same all day.  I'm thinking that I may ask my naturopath to swich me back to Armour.   So, Armour has the t3?
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Wednesday, October 3, 2007, 6:51pm; Reply: 26
Yes, but from what I am reading, it is not really similar in percentages to human thyroid.  Apparently, Armour has
a higher percentage of t3, so many do not do well on it.  In the past I have had thyroid panels done by a functional
md and my levels were all pretty good.  Now after thinking about this, I wonder if it's not a mineral thing going on
with the hair loss for me.  I am perimenopausal, at 50, but have been having pretty heavy periods for about a year
now.  I wonder if I am not anemic.  I saw a post from Lola on another thread about thyroid and iron.  I wonder if taking fucus would help in this respect because of it's mineral content.....this is very confusing to me.....
Posted by: 552 (Guest), Wednesday, October 3, 2007, 7:52pm; Reply: 27
Now if only I could get all my facial hair to fall out!!!  ::)

Posted by: 552 (Guest), Wednesday, October 3, 2007, 7:58pm; Reply: 28
Hey paulam, why not try the fucus? Or better yet, start slow w/ Deflect (lower dose) and see how you do?  If I take Deflect first thing in the morning, I can usually tell if the dose is right by whether or not I warm up (including hands and feet).  I started off taking Deflect with all meals, but kinda ran into "overdrive" after a few weeks!  :o
But get it right and - whoa - I'm feeling good.  ;D
Posted by: Jane, Wednesday, October 3, 2007, 8:00pm; Reply: 29
My endo has me on levoxyl plus a compounded capsule that includes a small amount of Armour plus extra T3 and T2.  We've been playing with the doses for a few years.  He thinks that for most people about 2% T3 helps with a lot of the symptoms.  My case is a little different because I had a near total thyroidectomy in 1996 (small thy. cancer that was discovered when I had one of my parathyroids out).  
I've often wondered if tyrosine would help me at all.  I've been taking carnitine lately but maybe I should try the tyrosine too.   Isa, what do you think?
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Thursday, October 4, 2007, 4:13pm; Reply: 30
Just took some deflect now, I hope it will be helpful.  I have tried catechol in the past, it helps a bit also.  But lets see
about the deflect for now.  Jane, this thyroid stuff is tricky, but I know that when it is off, it isn't pleasant....
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Thursday, October 4, 2007, 4:20pm; Reply: 31
thatswhy I am on l'tyrosine, so it kicks both levels T3 & T4.....they've to match together ;D :D....

about facial hairs ;) we see our descendencies ;) ;D :D :X....I am happy that mine aren't dark..
;D ;D ;D......
Posted by: 552 (Guest), Thursday, October 4, 2007, 7:11pm; Reply: 32
hey, I think I"ll try that too, Isa - adding a tyrosine with my Deflect - I have tried it in the past & can't remember why I stopped. Carnitine is good too, but not exactly the same. I get the pressure on the right side of my thyroid too, if I don't eat those nasty potatoes. I've figured out they ARE inhibiting my thyroid; problem is, my thyroid can't keep up w/ out them.  :(  But neither do I want to go to a doctor, so I'm going to keep working with the Deflect/bladderwrack & tyrosine.  I know it takes 3 -6 weeks for the thyroid to "catch up" if you change your dose, so that's why it's going to take me some time to ditch the potatoes & get my thyroid working right again.  I"ve read that bladderwrack contains di-iodotyrosine; two of them put together make T4 (thyroxine) so your body can make the thyroid hormone from it. But not enough if you've had yours removed or ablated.  Also halibut is thyroid-boosting, at least for this O, and it's tasty to boot!
yes, facial hairs *sighs heavily* I shave the black "beard" whiskers, but at least my moustache is blonde!!  My mom & my grandmother both had them.  My grandmother was a red-head -  I guess that says something about my "descendencies"  ;D  Shucks, I even have more body hair than my husband!  I used to envy the European women who don't have to shave their legs - that is right, isn't it?  I wish there was something to do about it, but I think I might just as well accept my genes for what they are.   ;)
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Thursday, October 4, 2007, 10:00pm; Reply: 33
I've read in several places that an omega-6 deficiency will cause hair loss.  

Perhaps if you tried an oil source that is neutral or beneficial for B's and which is also high in omega-6's, it might help your problem.
Posted by: jayneeo, Friday, October 5, 2007, 12:14am; Reply: 34
some european women don't choose to shave their legs but not because they don't have hair there...!
Posted by: Lola, Friday, October 5, 2007, 1:13am; Reply: 35
shaving only makes it worse!!
I ve waxed ever since I can remember, and by now I am practically hair free!!
shaving makes your hair grow back stronger!
waxing debilitates it in the long run........
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Wednesday, October 17, 2007, 1:51am; Reply: 36
bump, I think the tyrosine is helping me!  
Posted by: accjulie, Thursday, October 18, 2007, 8:04pm; Reply: 37
For what it's worth...I was on a very high soy protein diet and I was having severe hair loss.  I went to the allergist and found out that I was HIGHLY allergic to soy.  I now try to avoid soy and my hair is back and I haven't had any problems any more.  The soy was also causing severe sebborreah dermititis which has also cleared up significantly.  Hope this helps someone...
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, October 18, 2007, 8:08pm; Reply: 38
thanks Julie!

have you perhaps thought of finding out your secretor status and serotype, or subtype?
might have a lot to do with your reaction to soy.
Posted by: accjulie, Thursday, October 18, 2007, 8:46pm; Reply: 39
I just received my secretor test in the mail today.  I will set up for pickup tomorrow.  How long does it take to get the results?
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, October 18, 2007, 9:10pm; Reply: 40
around two weeks, depending...
results can also be checked by internet
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Friday, October 19, 2007, 2:25pm; Reply: 41
   I know that soy can be a problem, my two O sons who have acne, I believe they are nonnies, and they
stopped soy, the acne has significantly improved.....but I don't use much, or any soy myself....I think it's my
synthroid/thyroid situation.  I thought tyrosine was helping, but I noticed lots of hair again.  Now I am wondering
about anemia....heavy periods before meno, etc that I have been suffering.....
Good luck with your secretor status, what are you hoping to be?
Posted by: 1011 (Guest), Sunday, October 21, 2007, 6:20pm; Reply: 42
I'm glad soy doesn't bother me. I get acne from meat and milk (I think it's the hormones) and I would have practically no options if I couldn't eat the soy.
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Sunday, October 21, 2007, 7:07pm; Reply: 43
Soy is supposed to be A friendly, glad it's not bothering you.  I agree about the hormones
in dairy and meat, and also with dairy, I think it effects the insulin mechanism, further disrupting hormones.   My one son was eating something called "Think Thin" bars, they were supposed to be gluten, sugar, etc free.  But turns out we really didn't see the casein, whey, etc, sometimes peanuts as a problem, but obviously they were not safe.  I am now buying
some almond and rice milk instead of soy milk  too....he's doing better.....
Posted by: AnutLisa, Monday, October 22, 2007, 1:47am; Reply: 44
Quoted from 552
Now if only I could get all my facial hair to fall out!!!  ::)


Seriously, my sister is a type A and lost an embarrassing amount of hair following the Atkins protein overload diet.  You could see her scalp through her hairstyle!   :o  I think it's connected.   :P
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Monday, October 22, 2007, 9:18am; Reply: 45

that's entirely possible.  
Posted by: Lola, Monday, October 22, 2007, 1:29pm; Reply: 46
Ron, glad you are back up and running!
Posted by: Dr. D, Tuesday, October 23, 2007, 1:11pm; Reply: 47
Posted by: Jane, Tuesday, October 23, 2007, 1:36pm; Reply: 48
I felt like I was losing a lot of hair too but my stylist says I have tons of hair.  I think it's because I scrunch my hair to encourage the curl and don't brush it so when I wash it in the shower I always see hair around the drain.
You might think that this is weird but if my thyroid is way off, my watch doesn't run....or runs slow.
I feel lately like I'm taking too much stuff...between the Deflect, the tyrosine, sometimes carnitine, polyflora, glucosamine with MSM, l glutamine, proberry, glycosia, catechol plus my thyroid meds and Asacol for UC in the AM and cal,mag, zinc plus D and Asacol in the PM...WOW!
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, October 23, 2007, 5:04pm; Reply: 49
It's good to take periodic breaks from supplements.  This can be as simple as not taking select ones on the weekends.  Or skipping Wednesday and Sunday.  Or taking a week off every couple of months.  Or skip a week or two every time you finish a bottle.

I'm not referring to prescription meds.
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Monday, October 29, 2007, 6:02pm; Reply: 50
Bumping this thread again.....Ronagon, I just started making sure to take a combo oil, fish, flax
and borage with lipase.....I found some info online about the efa deficiencies and hair loss also.
Apparently, if you take liver herbs, like milk thistle or tumeric,(which I was taking for a faulty liver, etc.) you could actually speed up the loss of those efas.  So I added them in, it's only been a week or so.  But I think that it also will help my depressive state.  If this helps finally, I will post again in a few weeks of taking this efa blend.  I read that efa deficiency can manifest with the same symptoms
as a low thyroid, which I also thought was very interesting.......thanks!
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Tuesday, October 30, 2007, 1:35am; Reply: 51

Personally, that sounds severely excessive.  

If it were me, I'd try not taking the thyroid meds for awhile.  This is because, if you look in the BTD Encyclopedia under "hypothyroidism", you'll find that Dr. D talks about the dangers of them, and that bladderwrack is a great way to address the problem, in and of itself.  In fact, it's the first ingredient on two out of three of his suggested protocols for it.

I would definitely follow Victoria's advice and take a break from all that stuff.  If your diet is BTD-compliant, then the most you should realistically need are some NAP products here and there.  

In science, there's a phenomenon called "hormesis", and it states that many substances -- even traditionally harmful substances such as arsenic -- have a therapeutic dosage level, below which they are ineffectual, and above which they are harmful.  Even water follows this principle of hormesis, as too much water is harmful for you.

The same is true of supplements as well, I'm sure.
Posted by: Melissa_J, Tuesday, October 30, 2007, 9:24pm; Reply: 52
Most ND's are willing to prescribe Armour. I had an internist prescribe Armour once, after prooving that no dose of synthroid was working on my symptoms. The armour eventually stopped working that well, and I went back to synthroid.  It seems to be working well now.

Thyroid and Intestines are very closely related, what affects the intestines will affect the thyroid.  So I'm working on my digestive health and stopping all those avoids (and a few neutrals) that I'm intolerant of.  Gluten and milk, of course, soy and corn too, then I'm investigating if I might also be intolerant of yeast. Candida is  an issue I'm finally starting to address, and after a brief adjustment, Intrinsa is agreeing with me, I've never toughed it through the adjustment phase before, probably a candida die-off or something.  I think all that will help my thyroid.  I have to change my dose depending on how compliant I am, so I should be able to decrease it again next time I see my endocrinologist, now that I'm back in the groove.

That tyrosine formula looks really good, Victoria.
Posted by: andonitxo, Monday, August 4, 2008, 10:44pm; Reply: 53

Well, I did a profound research about hair lost when my hair started to disappear.

Going vegan improved a lot my skin appearance (it turned from greasy to clean), and my hair cleared quite a lot.

There are a lot of supplements with everything the hair need to strengthen.

A doctor told me I had to control my stress levels. It's true that when I was very stressed at work (and when I broke up with my two ex's) I lost a lot of hair. You can find a lot of relaxing tapes, but I'd recommend that of Monroe's.

So, basically: good diet (non acidic, of low glycemic index, and non toxic-producer -> fermentation, lectins...), rest, physical exercise (yoga also helps) and an good state of being (good job, no family problems...). Many things, aren't they?  ;)
Posted by: Lola, Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:54pm; Reply: 54
have you thought of following GTD?
I d be interested in knowing which GT you are! :)
Posted by: andonitxo, Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 8:51am; Reply: 55
GTD? Oh my God, is there another classification for our blood? Could you explain it to me in a few words?
Posted by: kiramon, Friday, August 8, 2008, 1:24pm; Reply: 56
GTD is the acronym for GenoType Diet. I've read up a bit and watched some of the videos for it. I don't know how to do the linking thing for you but there are vidoes on YouTube that explain it. It goes a bit beyond blood and takes into account different body measurements to establish a more accurate genetic profile for food selection.
Posted by: drgnwng1, Saturday, August 9, 2008, 1:29am; Reply: 57
My hair started breaking off about 4-5 months ago. It grows to about and inch and then breaks. It is very thigh where it breaks. It seems to be the top of my head. You can actually hear it break when you run your fingers thru your hair. After about a week it feels like a porcupine in between the loinger hairs. Then when it hits and inch it lays over and is no longer stiff. I had a million blood tests done and an MRI last week  and all is normal. I am happy to report they found a brain in my head!
My thyroids are normal(third testing in a year),  B12 normal,sed rate, no lupus or lyme, Liver functions normal,and on and on.
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Saturday, August 9, 2008, 1:38am; Reply: 58
Ok, we are almost the same age, etc.  Having these hair problems, yikes!  How's your digestion?  
Do you think you are digesting proteins ok?  Also, any interesting hair care/shampoo ingredients or changes?  Just wondering along with you what it might be from.... ;)
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, August 9, 2008, 3:43am; Reply: 59
Just a reminder that when dealing with any chronic problem, the first step, and the foundation of building a program of recovery, is to strive for 100% compliance.  And I don't mean staying away from avoids, and living on neutrals.   ;)

Beneficial foods (BTD) and Superfoods (GTD) are the foods that serve as tonics to the human body, and perform the near-miraculous healings that we frequently hear reported by people who are consistently following Dr. D's programs.

Without this first step, a person is likely to waste a lot of time, tears and money trying everything under the sun to achieve improvements in health.
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, August 9, 2008, 2:35pm; Reply: 60
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Saturday, August 9, 2008, 4:58pm; Reply: 61
Very good link Chloe, thanks!
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