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Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, September 4, 2007, 3:56pm
Oh my, my hands hurt. Yes, its arthritis......from terrible abuse as a jewelry teacher...(someone wanted to know the connection? it's the way your fingers are used as tools in fabrication...oh, no, she wanted to know how I got metal poisining....torches, solders, metals, fumes, etc etc,  we're talking about metalsmithing.) With 150 students a day needing my help to set a stone or hold a piece of silver while sawing, my joints just got a beating.....and now I am desperately trying to keep the inflammation down. My doc prescribed Aleve. (Yuk) I have taken it a few times, feels weird in the digestive tract. Would prefer to take only natural supps of course.....am working with the book (Dr. D's book on arthitis) any wisdom welcome....
Posted by: mikeo, Tuesday, September 4, 2007, 5:48pm; Reply: 1
eat foods high in sulfur and silica
Posted by: 129 (Guest), Tuesday, September 4, 2007, 5:56pm; Reply: 2
MSM seems to help lots and also DMSO (if you can find it.. I had to buy a gallon undiluted and pay hazardous cargo shipping fees to get it!).. but that gallon will last me the rest of my life! Don't know if Dr. D has any prohibitions on DMSO, but it does wonders for my knee pain.. (2 dislocations on the right and a chipped patella, and once on the left.. all from modern dance and ballet) The local HFS used to carry a 70% solution, but they stopped.. no one seems to be able to tell me why it's off the shelves.  Some good info if you aren't familiar is here - http://www.dmso.org/articles/information/muir.htm

Bright blessings,
Stephen
Posted by: italybound, Tuesday, September 4, 2007, 8:25pm; Reply: 3
If I remember right, DMSO is a great thing, but one needs to know how to use it.  It needs a carrier solution if I remember correctly and if not used properly can cause more harm than good. Anyone else remember this, or did I just make it up?  ;)
and have you tried Bromelain on an empty stomach?
Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, September 4, 2007, 9:06pm; Reply: 4
thanks, guys....bromelain is quite good, IB....I think the arthritis protocols are working , at least right now.....but once I slip up on the supp regimen they hurt so bad......thanks and any other tales welcome too.
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, September 4, 2007, 11:12pm; Reply: 5
A seaweed called luminaria is good for detoxing heavy metals.  I recently saw it in one of the health library series for type O's also!  And it's a rich source of minerals.

You aren't eating any wheat products are you, Jayneeo?
Posted by: Drea, Tuesday, September 4, 2007, 11:21pm; Reply: 6
another great remedy is lots of fresh ginger root tea. Slice up a 2" piece of ginger root and simmer in water for 20 minutes, then drink.
Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, September 4, 2007, 11:27pm; Reply: 7
thanks, Drea, and, no, wheat and I agree to disagree, Victoria.....however, I have lately eaten potatoes (as few as possible in a tofu scramble) and those are bad for my fingers. Also,
Victoria, I have successfully detoxed a couple yrs ago from heavy metals, but good to know about luminaria. I am thinking that being on the protocols takes a while to really solve the inflammation problem.....and I am happy to wait..if it means not taking aleve (:()
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, September 5, 2007, 12:08am; Reply: 8
I suppose that potatoes could be making the situation worse for you.  

I'm sorry about your pain.  I also work with my hands and have recently had to change some of my systems in my work in order to save my joints.  One joint on my right index finger was becoming enlarged and painful.  Cutting out all avoids has done wonders, but I have also had to lighten up on stressing my joints.  Bromelain is my friend.  :-)
Posted by: SusieD, Wednesday, September 5, 2007, 1:33am; Reply: 9
I recently discovered D-Flame, an herbal blend anti-inflammatory. It is working very well for my arthritis inflammation. Get it at my local HFS. Description and ingredients at nowfoods.com
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, September 5, 2007, 1:55am; Reply: 10
natural anti-inflammatories like quercetin (cheap and very effective), and natural antibiotic and cleansing foods (garlic, onions, beets, all dark greens) will help
Posted by: Lloyd, Wednesday, September 5, 2007, 3:40am; Reply: 11
Quoted from Victoria
A seaweed called luminaria is good for detoxing heavy metals.  I recently saw it in one of the health library series for type O's also!  And it's a rich source of minerals.

You aren't eating any wheat products are you, Jayneeo?


Laminara sp. is commonly known as kelp, makes it easier to find! Would you mind linking me to the heavy metal detox properties? I already use kelp and other seaweeds regularly as an 'O'.........

Edit to add: All laminaria are kelp, not all kelp are laminaria. There are 31 species of laminaria, including at least 5 of which are called kombu. The more common kombu is Laminaria japonica.

So it would actually be 'easiest' to look for kombu, since foodstuffs aren't often identified by their official nomenclature. In supplements the nomenclature should be used.
Posted by: italybound, Wednesday, September 5, 2007, 12:59pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from SusieD
I recently discovered D-Flame, an herbal blend anti-inflammatory.


looks pretty good!! IMHO http://www.nowfoods.com/index.php?action=itemdetail&item_id=38614
Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, September 5, 2007, 4:57pm; Reply: 13
yeah, I looked up D-flame and was impressed. Right now I m using a Jarrow formula that is very good, cox2tamer...but the D-flame has some other properties, so I'll look for it at WF.
It is getting better each day....from a very painful just laying there... to... tender when bumped.
Posted by: italybound, Wednesday, September 5, 2007, 6:20pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from jayneeo
yIt is getting better each day....from a very painful just laying there... to... tender when bumped.


I remember prior to BTD, my wrists were so sore I couldnt lean on them at all. I would involuntarily 'yell' out in pain. My thumb, first finger, and 2nd toe on right foot joints were painful as well. How's that for messed up? LOL  
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, September 5, 2007, 9:31pm; Reply: 15
my finger joints can get arthritic from over-use, but I'd say for the most part, they've been really happy lately. Prior to the BTD, my feet always hurt first thing in the a.m., but I've not had that issue for many years.

As Lola says, following the BTD is a natural anti-inflammatory; it just matters how strict we are at any given time.
Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, September 5, 2007, 10:11pm; Reply: 16
time to get strict.....
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, September 5, 2007, 11:10pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from Alan_Goldenberg


Laminara sp. is commonly known as kelp, makes it easier to find! Would you mind linking me to the heavy metal detox properties? I already use kelp and other seaweeds regularly as an 'O'.........

Edit to add: All laminaria are kelp, not all kelp are laminaria. There are 31 species of laminaria, including at least 5 of which are called kombu. The more common kombu is Laminaria japonica.

So it would actually be 'easiest' to look for kombu, since foodstuffs aren't often identified by their official nomenclature. In supplements the nomenclature should be used.


Hi Lloyd,
I purchase Laminaria from Dragonherbs CLICK.  This is a new product that they are carrying, and they have some nice articles that they will send you by mail.  I notice that they have not updated their website yet with several new products that they are carrying.  You can call them at 888 55 TONIC.

Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, September 6, 2007, 1:38am; Reply: 18
victoria, good for you in taking care of your hands! wish I had been as wise.
Posted by: Alek, Thursday, September 6, 2007, 9:27am; Reply: 19

jayneeo,

Just had a same problem on my index finger [eating   too many peppers and aubergines, do it for me]. Apart from bromelin, MSM, and ginger, the biggest help was castor oil packs [from Arthritis book, page 146]. I also added 10 drops of rosmary [aromatherapy] to the castor oil. Today is a third day and it is gone. No pain. and no inflamation. In the process my skin turned smooth and soft.
Worth trying. Good luck.
Posted by: italybound, Thursday, September 6, 2007, 9:37am; Reply: 20
would Traumeel or Arnica help in the meantime?  ;)
Posted by: Lloyd, Thursday, September 6, 2007, 7:11pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from Victoria


Hi Lloyd,
I purchase Laminaria from Dragonherbs CLICK.  This is a new product that they are carrying, and they have some nice articles that they will send you by mail.  I notice that they have not updated their website yet with several new products that they are carrying.  You can call them at 888 55 TONIC.



Thanks. They are mailing me some info.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, September 7, 2007, 2:18am; Reply: 22
Alek,
glad it is better and thanks for the heads up!
Posted by: SusanGeary, Friday, September 7, 2007, 11:21pm; Reply: 23
same problem for me.  My feet and my hands ache when I first get up in the morning.  I keep forgetting about bromelain but I have found boswellia works good and also turmeric.  I switch off.  And no nightshades at all per BTD for A's.  

Quercetin doesn't work.  Not for this type of inflammation.  It works wonders for respiratory problems and alergies but not arthritis.  
Posted by: SusanGeary, Friday, September 7, 2007, 11:26pm; Reply: 24
wanted to add that Zyflamend from New Chapter works pretty good too!!
Posted by: Lola, Friday, September 7, 2007, 11:51pm; Reply: 25
tell us what it has.
Posted by: jayneeo, Saturday, September 8, 2007, 1:32am; Reply: 26
I've used xyflammend and liked it, but now I'm trying out a Jarrow formula with Devil's claw and other stuff...boswellia, tumeric, ginger, etc.
Posted by: SusanGeary, Saturday, September 8, 2007, 8:01pm; Reply: 27
Zyflamend has a bunch of herbs and turmeric is the main one but it has others and I can't remember.

I am not sure about devils claw but don't know if it's okay for my blood type.  I have seen some things with yucca in them and didn't get them because of avoid for type A.
Posted by: Rex, Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 1:09am; Reply: 28
Great thread.  Lots of information here.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 3:15am; Reply: 29
Bromelain, bromelain, bromelain.

I can't say enough good about this, and deflect, deflect, deflect with every meal.   And ZERO infrequent neutrals.  90-100% beneficials at EVERY meal.

You could also get a hot wax machine and soak your hands in that.  Hot wax feels heavenly for arthritis.
Posted by: italybound, Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 3:52am; Reply: 30
Quoted from KimonoKat
Hot wax feels heavenly for arthritis.


Ahhhhhhhhh, now you're talkin!!  ;) ;D
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