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Posted by: Luana, Sunday, September 2, 2007, 3:33am
I have finally fixed my digestive problems by taking plant enzymes every time I eat cooked food.  Obviously my digestive tract is still healing from previous trauma.

I am taking ghee in my cooking every day now and taking PolyFlora B every morning.

At the start of my digestive disturbances I went off all dairy not sure of the culprit in my digestive woes.  What I have now discovered is the cause which was too much fat and overeating which led to me throwing up 4 times in one day.  This inflamed my digestive tract which caused the nausea and gas when I tried to eat without plant enzymes.  

Now I want to see how I react to the dairy I was eating these past 2 years that did not seem to bother me.

What should I do to test the yogurt and the goat milk I used to eat.  I would also like to try ricotta cheese eventually.  Anyway, one step at a time.  What symptoms should I look for because according to the database B non-secretors do very well with goat milk and yogurt as well as Kefir and ricotta cheese and feta.

Any suggestions on re-testing these foods back into my diet?   :-/
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, September 2, 2007, 3:51am; Reply: 1
add small quantities gradually and see how your stomach reacts.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, September 2, 2007, 4:13am; Reply: 2
Introduce all foods one at a time, to give your body time to communicate with you.

I still take plant enzymes, one with each meal, and I have been using them for years.  But I still don't use cow's milk, except for ghee.  Goat yogurt it is!
Posted by: 1206 (Guest), Sunday, September 2, 2007, 12:22pm; Reply: 3
Victoria, will you please share the brand of enzyme that you take?
Posted by: Whimsical, Sunday, September 2, 2007, 1:21pm; Reply: 4
Long-term use of enzymes is generally not recommended because it can cause your body to downregulate the production of its own enzymes.  Enzymes should ideally be used either therapeutically (ie: short-term) or occasionally to help with particularly challenging digestion.  Long-term use simply masks the problem of WHY your body cannot digest on its own.

I recently met a guy who used enzymes constantly, as did his girlfriend.  He claimed that without enzymes they got bloated and gassy and had lots of digestive trouble.  They are also devoted raw foodists...  I'm not in favour or against raw food, per se, but clearly there was a mismatch here between their diet (hard to digest) and their digestive capabilities.  This can surely happen on the BTD too, since many of us here on the boards have a less than optimally functioning digestive tract.  The goal should be to heal the digestion while also identifying a diet that matches one's body and capabilities.  
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, September 2, 2007, 2:23pm; Reply: 5
I know we're getting a big off topic here, but my NP had me taking Betaine Hydrochloride w/ my meals because my protein levels on my blood tests were getting high. Then I thought I read this is not the best for O's, so stopped them. Is it ok for O's and what do you think about restarting it (if it's ok) for short term? thanks.
Posted by: Whimsical, Sunday, September 2, 2007, 2:35pm; Reply: 6
Betaine HCl is not an enzyme, it is a source of additional acid, which is necessary to activate the enzyme pepsin, which breaks down protein.  I imagine it was recommended because your NP felt that your stomach acid was not sufficient?  Is this what you were told?  If so, I would then ask WHY your stomach acid (especially considering you are an O!) is not enough.  And whether short-term use would allow you to produce enough stomach acid on your own in the future or if you would have to continue the supplement indefinitely.  There may be good reasons to use something like this (or enzymes) in the long-term, based on an individual's situation/specific needs.  

Where did you read that Betaine HCl is not for Os?  I haven't read anything one way or another.

I can provide information and my general opinion, but it would be irresponsible of me to give you advice on whether to continue or not, especially since you are already under the care of someone.  

BTW, does NP stand for Naturopathic Practitioner?  
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, September 2, 2007, 2:44pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from Whimsical
Betaine HCl is not an enzyme, it is a source of additional acid, which is necessary to activate the enzyme pepsin, which breaks down protein.  I imagine it was recommended because your NP felt that your stomach acid was not sufficient?  Is this what you were told?  If so, I would then ask WHY your stomach acid (especially considering you are an O!) is not enough.  And whether short-term use would allow you to produce enough stomach acid on your own in the future or if you would have to continue the supplement indefinitely.  There may be good reasons to use something like this (or enzymes) in the long-term, based on an individual's situation/specific needs.  

I do believe he gave it to me to up the stomach acid as he felt that because my protein levels were getting high that the protein was not being sufficiently digested, I guess. Will have to ask him specifically about this. thanks. I will ask why my stomach acid as an O isn't enough but as he's not up to speed on BTD info, dont know if there will be an answer to that one.  :-/
Quoted from Whimsical
Where did you read that Betaine HCl is not for Os?  I haven't read anything one way or another.

I read that on this forum.
Quoted from Whimsical
I can provide information and my general opinion, but it would be irresponsible of me to give you advice on whether to continue or not, especially since you are already under the care of someone.  

I was really only looking for an opinion, so we're all good here. ;D
Quoted from Whimsical
BTW, does NP stand for Naturopathic Practitioner?  

yes ma'am   :D

Now, back to the original subject.........thanks for 'allowing' the interruption luanaflacco  :)
Posted by: Luana, Sunday, September 2, 2007, 6:57pm; Reply: 8
Yes, I do understand about the plant enzymes giving the body a chance to heal.  I got off the enzymes quite a bit this past spring and recognized that I didn't have to use them as much.  However, after my stomach upset I am back on them again.  I will gradually decrease over time and see what happens.  I certainly do not want my body to stop producing its own enzymes!  That would not be good.

For the record, I only take the plant enzymes with cooked food.  If the food has its own enzymes in its natural state I am ok without using the plant enzyme.

The brand I use is by Organika from Organika.com but I get them locally.

Thanks, Kate, for your input.  My ND told me that I would heal and would not have to always depend on a capsule.   I guess that's where proper food combining comes in?
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, September 2, 2007, 7:06pm; Reply: 9
on betaine
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivea/config.pl?read=75408
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, September 2, 2007, 8:33pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from lola


I didnt see any info for O's, just A's. Did I miss it?  :-/
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, September 2, 2007, 9:07pm; Reply: 11
Os supposedly do have more IAP levels, right?
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, September 2, 2007, 9:17pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from lola
Os supposedly do have more IAP levels, right?


IAP?
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, September 2, 2007, 9:18pm; Reply: 13
acid in the stomach
"Intestinal Alkaline Phosphatase (IAP)"
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, September 2, 2007, 11:11pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from lola
Os supposedly do have more IAP levels, right?


well, yes, in theory, but when individuality comes into play............  ;)
I just remember reading on here somewhere that it was not a good choice. I dont think the person said "it is an avoid for type O's", they more implied it in a round about way.  ;)
Posted by: Lloyd, Monday, September 3, 2007, 1:23am; Reply: 15
Quoted from pkarmeier


well, yes, in theory, but when individuality comes into play............  ;)
I just remember reading on here somewhere that it was not a good choice. I dont think the person said "it is an avoid for type O's", they more implied it in a round about way.  ;)


It would be unusual for an O to need Betaine HCL, but not impossible. O's as a group have the highest levels of stomach acid.
Posted by: italybound, Monday, September 3, 2007, 1:51am; Reply: 16
Quoted from Alan_Goldenberg
O's as a group have the highest levels of stomach acid.


Right and maybe that is why the remark was made about it not being 'good' for O's.  ??)
Posted by: Lola, Monday, September 3, 2007, 3:59am; Reply: 17
right!
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, September 4, 2007, 11:18pm; Reply: 18
Dewdrop, I take Enzymedica enzymes.  The one I take with meals is Digest.
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, September 14, 2007, 12:07am; Reply: 19
Back to Bs and dairy......my B husband was off dairy for 7 years.  After I had great, amazing, incredible results with my A diet (and nearly killed him by feeding him the A diet), I switched him to the B diet, and after he did well for a while, I asked him if he was interested in adding in some dairy.  Lo and behold, his system had healed (thanks to the BTD, I'm sure), and he can now enjoy many different types of dairy except yogurt (makes him congested).  Like the others said, if you introduce them one at a time, you should be able to tell how your tummy likes them, and you'll know which one is the problem if there is a problem.
Posted by: Luana, Friday, September 14, 2007, 3:13pm; Reply: 20
Thanks Ribbit!
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