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Posted by: Dr. D, Friday, August 24, 2007, 12:15pm
I'm R1b haplogroup. So that makes me

mtDNA (maternal mitchondrial DNA haplogroup) T
y chromosome (paternal DNA) R1b

Turns out the maternal is much less common..
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Friday, August 24, 2007, 1:41pm; Reply: 1
that's normal Peter, you are a half of a *ROYAL* ;) ;D ;D :D :K) (dance)(smarty)(clap)(whistle)(sunny)
Posted by: Susana, Friday, August 24, 2007, 4:36pm; Reply: 2
Interesting, my father's family comes from the province of Lerida (Cataluña, Spain) same as I understand your mother does but his Y chromosome is R1b. Also, my father and I are O.

My father's family had come from England (Cambridge) and it seems your mother has Jewish ancestry. Fascinating, so close and yet such differences.

A curious note for forum members, El Cid (There was a Hollywood film with Charlton Heston and Sofia Loren) started his fights against the Moors in that region, before America was discovered. And, as with most of Spain, the area had Moors, Jews, and Christians. Funny thing, they lived and worked together and got along quite well creating a very prosperous region in terms of culture, trade... for 800 years and this, while the rest of Europe, all Christian, was in the Middle Ages.

:K)
Posted by: Lola, Friday, August 24, 2007, 7:33pm; Reply: 3
http://www.filmaffinity.com/es/film568435.html
Lion of the desert staring Anthony Quinn, Oliver Reed, Rod Steiger,
Irene Papas, John Gielgud, Raf Vallone, also from those days.....
great read there, too!
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Friday, August 24, 2007, 7:36pm; Reply: 4
Looolaaa...Irene Papas !!!! weew one of my very preferest of all ;) ;D ;D (dance)(dance)(dance)(clap)(clap)(smarty)(dance)(sunny)(sunny)
Posted by: Lola, Friday, August 24, 2007, 10:12pm; Reply: 5
;)
Posted by: jayneeo, Saturday, August 25, 2007, 1:06am; Reply: 6
""lived and worked together and got along quite well creating a very prosperous region in terms of culture, trade... for 800 years and this, while the rest of Europe, all Christian, was in the Middle Ages."

Otherwise known as the Dark Ages....!

Posted by: Susana, Saturday, August 25, 2007, 5:52pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from jayneeo
""lived and worked together and got along quite well creating a very prosperous region in terms of culture, trade... for 800 years and this, while the rest of Europe, all Christian, was in the Middle Ages."

Otherwise known as the Dark Ages....!



Which makes it even more impresive!

:K)
Posted by: Susana, Saturday, August 25, 2007, 6:14pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from lola
http://www.filmaffinity.com/es/film568435.html
Lion of the desert staring Anthony Quinn, Oliver Reed, Rod Steiger,
Irene Papas, John Gielgud, Raf Vallone, also from those days.....
great read there, too!


Lola, do you mean same time frame? El Cid lived last half of 1000 (1050-1100) aprox.

I wonder if Dr. D's mother goes way then. Probably. Mine arrived to Lerida (from what we can gather) in 1400's.

:K)
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, August 26, 2007, 2:54am; Reply: 9
mea culpa!!!
this is the book I was talking about!
although that movie doesn t sound bad at all!! LOL
written by Amin Maalouf:
the Biography of Leo Africanus - Hassan Ibn Muhammad Al Wazzan Al Fasi
http://baheyeldin.com/history/leo-africanus.html

this was before the middle ages.....16th century Europe, great book!
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Monday, August 27, 2007, 11:43am; Reply: 10
What does all that mean?  I'm not familiar with those terms...
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, August 27, 2007, 3:43pm; Reply: 11
Lola, is this the same test Peter did??) Or is that something different and if so, whichone is the most accurate ??)
Posted by: Lola, Monday, August 27, 2007, 3:52pm; Reply: 12
I was mentioning the book......Spain before the middle ages......
that s it!

the movie I mentioned before has nothing to do with the book, sorry.
I mixed up the titles, that s all.....
mea culpa means my fault....or ooooops, sorry!!! lol
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Monday, August 27, 2007, 6:10pm; Reply: 13
I was talking about these results Dr. D was talking about.  What do those terms mean?  What kind of test did he have?  Where was it done?
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, August 27, 2007, 8:32pm; Reply: 14
rrrepetition of my question ;)... oh I am sooo much in  love  with this icebear.....:D .....but I am leo :o ....::)
Posted by: Susana, Monday, August 27, 2007, 8:58pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from Ronagon
I was talking about these results Dr. D was talking about.  What do those terms mean?  What kind of test did he have?  Where was it done?


Ron,

Dr. D. is making a reference to the results of the test mentioned on his blog: http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/p/archives/archive-122006.html dated Friday Dec, 1st, called “Internal Archeology.” It is the 2nd one down.

The blog makes reference to this site:
https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html

:K)

Posted by: Susana, Monday, August 27, 2007, 9:05pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from lola
mea culpa!!!
this is the book I was talking about!
although that movie doesn t sound bad at all!! LOL
written by Amin Maalouf:
the Biography of Leo Africanus - Hassan Ibn Muhammad Al Wazzan Al Fasi
http://baheyeldin.com/history/leo-africanus.html

this was before the middle ages.....16th century Europe, great book!


The film sounds good but the book sounds much better LOL!. Does the biography go into depth of his conversions: Islam to Christianity back to Islam... ??) Would love to know the details of his thoughts/reasons. 8)

:K)

Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Monday, August 27, 2007, 9:32pm; Reply: 17
Isa loves the icebear.   ;D :o

Ha ha ha ha  (clap)(sunny)(dance)

(I do, too.)
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Monday, August 27, 2007, 9:39pm; Reply: 18
My ancestry is from Spain and Sicily.  Both my parents are blends of both.

Apparently, my great-grandmother's grandmother was Jewish.  And my great-grandmother's grandmother's daughter was my great-grandmother's mother.  And my great-grandmother's daughter was my mother's mother.  And I, of course, am my mother's son.

So, apparently, that makes me and my sister both (even though religion is not my thing)...

I would be curious to see my results on this geographic test.  
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Monday, August 27, 2007, 9:42pm; Reply: 19
Thanks, Lola.  You're such a wealth of information.

You know, this could almost stand to be called the "archaeogenic" or "archaeogenetic" diet, with all this emphasis on human history.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 4:15am; Reply: 20
Susana,
read the book!
it s worth it!
Leon el africano........read it in Spanish and I believe it is the original language of the author....
about the character in the book
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le%C3%B3n_el_Africano
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 7:06am; Reply: 21
ahem.....does *wild-jews* existe??) :o ;) ;D :D :K) (dance)(smarty)(clap)(whistle)

so dearle, equal of religious insights....or outputs ;) :D....the judaisme is given by birth and the rights threw your mother's side.......... :D
Posted by: Susana, Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 9:08pm; Reply: 22
Thanks Lola :K). I am looking into it. My type of novels 8)

:K)
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, August 28, 2007, 10:58pm; Reply: 23
;)
Posted by: wrightph, Friday, August 31, 2007, 4:49pm; Reply: 24
Dr's D's results are interesting and I have some observations.  I took this same test back in the summer of '05.  I was not sure what to expect because I did not have as much knowledge and my ancestors were mixed origin.

I am also R1b (which is Cro-Magnon see http://archaeology.about.com/od/earlymansites/a/cro_magnon.htm).  Dr D can take further "sub-claeve" tests to determine more detail.  A layman might correlate sub-claeve as "clan"...geneticist just don't want to correlate the terms.  My sub-claeve results were R1b1c*.  The bottom-line is that the Y-chromosome is passed on from father to son unless a mutation takes place.  Surnames do not always correlate...my surname is Anglo-Saxon but I am not germanic or celtic based upon Y-chromosome.  The germanic and celtic peoples came much later (and probably from the russian steppe region) than the Cro-Magnon (neolithic).  My ancestors simply "assumed" one of the most common Anglo-saxon surnames...possibly because the surname is a "trade or occupation" in origen.  Interestingly, I am rarely closely related to any other "Wright's" genetically.  Instead, I usually correlate with other British/Irish/Scottish individuals with different surnames...and with other western atlantic countries as well.  This is why the population geneticists use the term "Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype" (http://www.familytreedna.com/MatchWAMH.html).

My observations:

1) it would be very interesting to locate the "Ice-age refuge" of individual sub-claeves of the R1b.  Ex: is it a particular valley/cave in France or Spain or the Czech Republic.  My guess is that we will know this within 5-7 years.  I'll be making a pilgrimage someday:-)

2) Dr D is a blood-type A superimposed upon a very old and tough R1b Y-Chromosome.  I'm an O- superimposed on the same R1b.  My male siblings have a similar hybridization (2 brother's who are B's).  How does this affect the nutrition and lifestyle vis-avis the blood-type diet?  I have some thoughts based upon my small statistics but I'll wait for folks replies:-)

3) Look-a-likes:    

While recovering from my colonoscopy last Wed (no polyps!), I was watching the US Open.  Low and behold, I saw a look-a-like...people often claim they know me.  This tennis pro's name is Alun Jones from Australia.  5"11, dark brown to black hair, same build and facial features (long and thin face), and the same thin/long hands.  He plays a very similar game as I do (abiet w/o his success), two handed backhand, forcing serve, hustles around the court, and takes the net when possible…even has a weak forehand relative to the backhand and bad ankles  He is a journeyman pro who got a wildcard entry for Australia at the US Open.  Alun's privilege was to play the #2 ranked player in the world in the 1st round…Rafael Nadal.  Alun got one set off of Nadal and played him evenly for 2.5 hours then he was spent.

Posted by: Lola, Friday, August 31, 2007, 5:36pm; Reply: 25
does Alun Jones also have your body? ;)
Posted by: wrightph, Friday, August 31, 2007, 5:55pm; Reply: 26
We are almost identical...I've just got a few more pounds than he has.  He's probably about 5'11" and 168lbs.  He needs about 5 more pounds of muscle to compete against top-ten players, especially Nadal, who has the most extreme arm muscles of any pro tennis player.  It's unreal that he can keep that much muscle in a sport as catabolic as tennis. Ciao!
Posted by: Lola, Friday, August 31, 2007, 6:06pm; Reply: 27
so does that mean you have those 5 extra pounds he lacks to be top competitive?
Posted by: wrightph, Friday, August 31, 2007, 6:18pm; Reply: 28
Maybe a few less after my colonoscopy prep.  I did some bench presses last night...could not believe the loss in strength from 3 days ago.  My best playing weight is about 175 lbs...anymore and the court pounding takes a toll on endurance...less than 170 and my power goes down.  Increased weight does not affect my speed that much.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, August 31, 2007, 7:45pm; Reply: 29
a real pro!
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