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Posted by: skoriginal, Thursday, August 9, 2007, 6:19pm
Hi everyone!  I haven't posted in a while, but lurk periodically.  If anyone has information to help me with the following question, I'd really appreciate it.  Do you know if nonnie status affects bloodwork results, particularly autoimmune antibody tests?  

I believe I'm correct in that it can affect allergy testing, but do you know if it affects any other type of testing?  A few years (about five I guess) back I had allergy testing done and it was non-conclusive.  The doctor said that that happens to about 20% of the population, and I just happened to be one of those people.  He said there was no doubt I had allergies, though.   Move ahead to BTD and I think it's from being non-secretor.  

Please let me know if you know anything about secretor status affecting bloodwork results.  Thanks SO much for your time and help, Stefani
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, August 9, 2007, 6:44pm; Reply: 1
stay compliant to the plan, allergies will resolve in time........
it s good you now know more about your physiology than that Dr you saw then!
Posted by: skoriginal, Thursday, August 9, 2007, 6:55pm; Reply: 2
Thank you, Lola!  It is really something, isn't it?  :)

Do you know anything about secretor status affecting the results of bloodwork, particularly that which is testing for autoimmune antibodies?  

Thank you again, Stefani
Posted by: Lola, Friday, August 10, 2007, 10:10pm; Reply: 3
I believe so, since nonnies do not secrete their antigen.......
Posted by: Becky, Monday, August 13, 2007, 2:18pm; Reply: 4
I remember reading something about that, as I have the same issue at the moment.  I am thinking it was in Dr. D's newsletter quite recently.  I think the example that was used was about tumor marker tests.
Posted by: skoriginal, Tuesday, August 14, 2007, 8:47pm; Reply: 5
Thank you both for your reply!  That's scary about the tumor marker.  How do we find out what's wrong if the testing does not show due to being a non-secretor? I'd love whatever anyone has on this.  I don't know where else to turn for help on this subject.  Thank you so much again, Stefani
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, August 14, 2007, 8:50pm; Reply: 6
knowing your secretor status is a big step forward.
follow the guidelines and feel the will be very pleased!
Posted by: skoriginal, Wednesday, August 15, 2007, 1:11pm; Reply: 7
Good morning, Lola!  Thank you again for your note.  I do believe in the BTD and nutritional healing, but I'm really looking for helpful information.  I don't know where to go for the information other than here and I don't know any practitioners in South Florida that I could go to that is "up on" the BTD and secretor status.  

Here's my problem:  I'm concerned about my health.  My hair has been thinning this year, I'm tired a lot, I've had anemia ongoing for a while now and I recently found out I have a cyst on my ovary.  Last year my regular doctor did my annual exam and I expressed concern.  She did the CA-125 which was fine.  However, when I saw that statement above about cancer markers, I'm very concerned.  My gyn is the one that found the cyst via ultrasound and I will have a follow-up appointment with her.  She also did bloodwork for hormones and thyroid.  They were "within normal range"; however, I know that numbers could shift in that range and not be normal for me, but still be normal and "OK" to doctors (thyroid).  

My twin (identical) sister has had major issues with her thyroid.  Both she and my Mom have autoimmune diseases.  I had an endocrinologist tell me a few years back that I had a mild case of Hashimoto's Syndrome (small nodules on my thyroid then led to testing) but I don't take medication for it.  She prescribed synthroid to try, bu I had racing heart and stuff off a tiny dose, so it was discontinued since it was "mild".  She's no longer in that same practice, so I've followed up with my regular doctor and more recently with my gyn about the thyroid.

Anyway, my sister thinks she may have lupus based on her symptoms, but testing is coming back negative with the bloodwork that the doctor did.  She doesn't want lupus, but she wants to know if results are accurate.  Likewise, I was tested for gluten intolerance a few months back -- different symptoms, including rash, indicated it -- and that came back negative.  So, that's why I'm asking about the secretor status affecting the bloodwork.  If it's negative, is it really negative or might something more serious be wrong with either of us and it's being missed because of the secretor status?  That's what I'm very concerned about.

If anyone has any information or can point me int he right direction for learning more about this, please let me know.  Also, if anyone knows of a practitioner in the Fort Lauderdale area, please recommend them to me.  I so greatly appreciate your help!

Hope your day is wonderful, Stefani
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, August 15, 2007, 10:57pm; Reply: 8
have you checked the practitioner registry and the map yet?
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, August 15, 2007, 11:01pm; Reply: 9
how was your diet like before finding out you were a non secretor and following BTD?

and how compliant are you?

are you thinking of following the guidelines given in the health series books?

I have seen so many issues being resolved through BTD....hope you find it works for you, too!
Posted by: LarryC., Thursday, August 16, 2007, 12:24am; Reply: 10
After you check the map and find someone in your area, have a Swami done and stay close to it, If you still want more call Peter's office and go see him, Get it stright.

Posted by: Becky, Thursday, August 16, 2007, 6:23am; Reply: 11
I will keep you up to date on my blood work too.  Had to do a colon cancer test that came back slightly elevated, but not to the point that most cancer patients have.  Also the colonoscopy came back to speak.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, August 16, 2007, 4:10pm; Reply: 12
follow the yeast protocol .......
did you read the thread on cancer, and the link given by John on cancer being synonymous of candida, or a fungus?
interesting stuff!!
Posted by: 566 (Guest), Monday, August 20, 2007, 4:29am; Reply: 13
Does anyone out there have any definitive answers about the accuracy of bloodwork in general for non-secretors?  How much does not secreting one's blood type effect the results?  If it is an issue, it seems pretty important, considering the 15-20 percent of non-secretors in the population, and the reliance we put on blood tests.  Thanks!
Posted by: Lola, Monday, August 20, 2007, 4:51am; Reply: 14
the test done is called the lewis test
blood and spit can both be performed.....
read up on significance of Lewis system and ABH non-secretion on IgA,
insulin resistance and autoimmunity.
Posted by: Don, Monday, August 20, 2007, 2:44pm; Reply: 15
I don't believe that most blood testing results will be effected by secretor status. However, some immune system blood tests results may be effected by non-secretor status. Therefore you might want to question your health care provider and/or lab about the impact of being a non-secretor and the interpretation of any immune system blood test results. For instance, do they have a different reference range for non-secretor immune system blood test results?

Here are a few references:
Quoted from Metabolic and immunologic consequences of ABH secretor and Lewis subtype status
Immunologic Consequences
Basic Functions
Evidence suggests that ABH non-secretors have lower levels of IgG. In tests of 202 Caucasians researchers found IgA concentrations to be significantly lower in non-secretors than in secretors.
Results suggest that the level of anti-I in the serum of normal individuals may be affected by the donor's ABO group, secretor status and sex.
Researchers have found that in individuals with insulin dependent diabetes mellitus, the mean level of C3c for non-secretors is significantly lower than that found for secretors. The level of C4 among ABH non-secretors was also significantly lower than that of ABH secretors.
Posted by: skoriginal, Monday, August 20, 2007, 9:32pm; Reply: 16
Thank you all SO much for your responses and helpful information... I truly appreciate it!  I apologize for not replying sooner.  I had a mini-vacation that started Wednesday evening and ended yesterday.

I really appreciate everyone's input here and any links to helpful articles/information is MUCH appreciated!  I will check out the ones posted and try to locate the others that were mentioned.

Becky, please do keep us updated.  I'm glad your test went well!

I did look at the practioner registry, but did not find anyone in my area.  I will check it again.  Larry, what is a Swami?  It'd be great to have input from Dr. D'Adamo... If I don't find someone here, I might have to take you up on that suggestion. :)

Lola, my diet has not always been the greatest, to be honest.  My favorite foods are bad foods for me.  Since discovering the BTD I've made changes to follow my food lists.  When I'm good, I'm good, but then I have periods that I "fall off" and eat foods not good for me -- worst is hamburgers and fries.  I know I need to be better with it and that it will help me.  I will keep you posted on those efforts.  I got my roommate on board, but she's an O, so we're still working off or own lists, but have many foods that are OK for both.  One thing for me that's hard (besides those darn favorites that I need to completely omit) is that I don't eat fish or seafood.  I should say I don't eat it often.  I do occasionally, but it's usually limited to tuna.  I've substituted rice pasta for wheat pasta and that works out well.  I also use rice or soy milk instead of regular milk.  I usually opt for turkey or chicken over other meats, but have not 100% omitted red meat from my diet yet.  I do go without it for periods of time and then will have a burger and then avoid it again.  I've read about 80% compliance being good before, but I think I do need to strive for 100%.  Thank you again for your input and help!  Which health series book(s) do you recommend?  I've used the food lists from the site mostly.  I have the ER4YT books, but check the site for up-to-date information.

Thank you all again!  I look forward to chatting with you more here as we continue with our BTD plans.  :)  All the best, Stefani

Posted by: Don, Monday, August 20, 2007, 9:39pm; Reply: 17
I suggest you get the LR4YT book next.
Posted by: Don, Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 3:30am; Reply: 18
Quoted from skoriginal
what is a Swami?

Quoted from Dr. D
SWAMI = Serotyping With Advanced Modifying Inventories

The SWAMI is a sophisticated diet collection and display software program written by me, Dr. Peter D’Adamo. SWAMI allows you to add a significant number of new variables to the basic blood type diet values and output the results via an incredibly detailed and versatile printout. SWAMI essentially creates a printable version of one of my commercial diets (such as the Live Right For Your Type diet) that is much more person-specific.
Posted by: skoriginal, Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 1:24pm; Reply: 19
Thank you, Don!  That does sound like something I'd like to have done.  As for the book, I do have LR4YT, too.  I think I have all the books, except the health-specific ones.  Is the SWAMI test something I can do from afar (with a prescription or something) or do I need to see a practioner that does the test or visit Dr. D'Adamo?  Thank you again for your help, Stefani
Posted by: Don, Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 2:53pm; Reply: 20
You might want to read this thread: What was learned at IfHI 2007 e.g. SWAMI

The short answer is you really need to go see a practitioner so that they can take all the measurements for the SWAMI input fields.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 3:08pm; Reply: 21
Now you can find IFHI professionals in your area.


practitioner registry
that the states are by state abbreviation, not name
Posted by: skoriginal, Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 3:25pm; Reply: 22
Thank you both again!  

I saw the new map this morning when I looked again for a practioner.  Yeah!  I wrote down a few names to get more information.

Hope you have a wonderful day, Stefani :)
Posted by: Don, Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 3:36pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from lola
Now you can find IFHI professionals in your area.


practitioner registry
that the states are by state abbreviation, not name

It doesn't look like the practitioner registry has been updated based on the 2007 conference so the map is probably a better resource right now.

Posted by: Becky, Wednesday, August 22, 2007, 2:10pm; Reply: 24
Please keep in mind that "falling off the wagon" just means you have to get back to eating right.  I truely believe that it is human nature that just drives us to do delightfully bad things like a burger and fries!!!

I am seeing an IFHI practitioner myself on Thursday, and I will write that down in my notes about blood tests and what not.   Also, hopefully one day we can do the full SWAMI, but her practice is very small, which makes it harder to cover major expenses.

You might also look into having a different lab do the tests, just to compare results.  Think I will do some research also into different test to diagnose Lupus and the like.
Posted by: skoriginal, Friday, August 24, 2007, 8:04pm; Reply: 25
Hi Don!  I did find three in my vicinity, so I plan to write to one this weekend to see about making an appointment.  Thank you again for all of your input! :)

Becky, thank you very much as well!  I know you are right about falling off the wagon.  Did you see the practitioner yesterday or is it next Thursday that you're going?  I hope it all goes (or went) well, and I look forward to any information that you received.   Very best wishes to you, too!

I hope each of you has a wonderful weekend!  I have my sister signing up for this forum to check out the information, too.  :)  I went grocery shopping last night and have a refrigerator filled with healthy, appropriate BTD foods.  Lots of fruits and veggies.  Yeah!

All the very best, Stefani
Posted by: Lola, Friday, August 24, 2007, 10:08pm; Reply: 26
great attitude!
Posted by: skoriginal, Sunday, August 26, 2007, 3:35am; Reply: 27
Thank you, Lola!  I feel really positive about making changes right now.  I've been drinking lemon water all day and had some fresh watermelon tonight.  I cut up a bunch of different veggies for some delicious salads over the next few days, too.  Hope you're enjoying your weekend! :)  All the very best, Stefani
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, August 26, 2007, 3:52am; Reply: 28
you have it all planned out!
Posted by: Becky, Sunday, August 26, 2007, 2:39pm; Reply: 29
Wonderful work Stefani!!  A little preparation makes eating better so much easier.  Also, I think I have put myself in a bit of a rut, so I need to do some refreshing myself.

I started a new thread about my visits to the practitioner so that we don't over-run your questions, and what other people had to say about them.  I could listen to these wonderful people all day long!  

If I  may ask, what prompted you to have your sister join the boards?  
Posted by: Becky, Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 7:49pm; Reply: 30
Had yet another blood test done a week ago, I see my doctor next week to see the results.  This is the 4th test we have done, because each one comes back slightly higher than the last.

I am also going to get a referal to an immunologist.  Having difficultly with joint and bone pain.  Some will obviously be resolved by diet.  But I know from before, there is a lot of pain even after following the protocal to the letter.

God Bless Dr. D and the truely is the one thing that heals my body AND my mind!!
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 4:24am; Reply: 31
Becky, which of the health series books are you following, food wise? besides the protocols you mention.....
Posted by: Becky, Thursday, February 21, 2008, 3:21am; Reply: 32
At the moment, just the BTD and the arthritis (sp?)  book.  Working hard to get to the GTD.  
What I also need to make time for is the Encyclopedia again and look up a few things.

Oh if only there were 30 hours in a day!  :o
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