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Posted by: 296 (Guest), Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 3:20am
Since starting the BTD I've noticed this odd thing that happens, and I wonder if anyone else has had the same experience.  

Some days I'm just ravenous.  On those days I eat every couple of hours.  On these days I feel weak and shaky and can't get a good workout.  Eating more protein helps but that might mean, by the end of the day, I've consumed an entire 16-oz package of lean ground beef all by myself.

Other days, I'm hardly hungry at all.  That's when I tend to slack off on the protein consumption.  On the non-hungry days I might have eggs for breakfast, some compliant tuna salad for lunch, and a broiled chicken breast for dinner.  It's not nearly as much protein as I can eat on a hungry day.

Here's what else to consider:

--I do eat plenty of fruits and vegetables every day, with quite a few green veggies.  

--I exercise 4 to 5 days a week anywhere from 30 minutes to two hours at a time.

--Sleep patterns don't seem to play a part in these cycles.

Any ideas?  Suggestions?  Has this happened to anyone else?  

Posted by: geminisue, Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 4:09am; Reply: 1
Maybe your low eating days trigger your big eating days, maybe a balance is in order.  I would suggest beneficials meats only for a few days   Are your portions also smaller on low eating days besides being neutral.  Do you weigh your meat after cooking?
Posted by: Chris, Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 4:24am; Reply: 2
I can't say much about the hunger cycles, but I have eaten 16oz of ground beef in a day plenty of times.  I know leaner meat is better, but sometimes ground beef is all I have and it's cheaper.  I'd rather fill myself up on meat rather than eat avoids or more grains.  And way to go on eating lots of veggies and fruit.
Posted by: Debra+, Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 10:51am; Reply: 3
Quoted from dragonsgold5
Since starting the BTD I've noticed this odd thing that happens, and I wonder if anyone else has had the same experience.  

Some days I'm just ravenous.  On those days I eat every couple of hours.  On these days I feel weak and shaky and can't get a good workout.  Eating more protein helps but that might mean, by the end of the day, I've consumed an entire 16-oz package of lean ground beef all by myself.

Other days, I'm hardly hungry at all.  That's when I tend to slack off on the protein consumption.  On the non-hungry days I might have eggs for breakfast, some compliant tuna salad for lunch, and a broiled chicken breast for dinner.  It's not nearly as much protein as I can eat on a hungry day.

Here's what else to consider:

--I do eat plenty of fruits and vegetables every day, with quite a few green veggies.  

--I exercise 4 to 5 days a week anywhere from 30 minutes to two hours at a time.

--Sleep patterns don't seem to play a part in these cycles.

Any ideas?  Suggestions?  Has this happened to anyone else?  


Yeeeessssss!!!  Exaaaaccctttlllyyy!!!  Could be you are nonnie too. ;) Shall we keep a seat warm for you. ;)

Debra :)

Posted by: OSuzanna, Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 11:50pm; Reply: 4
I agree with Chris B.
Possible causes of ravenous/weakness from my own limited perspective:
hormones
blood sugar/insulin problem
environmental toxicity problem
unknown avoid sneaking in that you're very allergic to
Just food 4 thought, good luck, these forums are the best places to get helpful ideas ;D
Posted by: 782 (Guest), Wednesday, July 18, 2007, 4:12pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from dragonsgold5
Some days I'm just ravenous.


That's interesting, and not inconsistent with my experience either.

One thing you can do is just go with it. The eating pattern doesn't sound all that unusual for hunter/gatherer culture anyhow.

You mentioned it doesn't seem to have anything to do with sleep. But I still kind of wonder if it could have a bit to do with adrenaline (excess on the days when you're ravenous). If you don't really have any stimulants intake and your stress level is pretty even, that discounts that theory. If you do think sometimes you have too much adrenaline, rhodiola seems to help that a bit.

I've never been a breakfast person and frankly feel a lot better when I don't eat (at least much) early in the day. Some days I'm not really legitimately hungry until early evening and through the whole day I have no fatigue and am probably running well on my fat reserves. (But throw stimulants or lack of sleep into the mix and that breaks.)

Posted by: 296 (Guest), Wednesday, July 18, 2007, 9:21pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from researchingthings

You mentioned it doesn't seem to have anything to do with sleep. But I still kind of wonder if it could have a bit to do with adrenaline (excess on the days when you're ravenous). If you don't really have any stimulants intake and your stress level is pretty even, that discounts that theory. If you do think sometimes you have too much adrenaline, rhodiola seems to help that a bit.


Adrenaline...hmm.  

I used to be a Diet Coke junkie.  Now, even when I think I want one, I can't stand the taste of it!  No more Diet Cokes for me.   ;)  Since giving up Diet Cokes, my previous desire to remain in a constantly caffeinated state is pretty much gone.  I don't drink coffee or black tea anymore, and I don't really miss either one.  (Well, not much.)

Now that I think about it, caffeine probably contributed greatly to my overall stress load.  For years.  Years.  I wonder if there's such a thing as rollover stress?....stress that you experience for such a long time, it just won't quit?....which would lead to higher adrenaline?

Part of my focus lately has been to remain low-stress.  Which means not just sticking to the BTD and avoiding caffeine, it also means to have a balance in my life.  I've said "no" to a lot of volunteer opportunities this summer, plus I've spent a lot of time reorganizing my home in preparation for this major life change coming in August when I'll be returning to school full-time to finish my degree.  So yeah, I've taken the summer off, concentrating only on my home, my family, and, well, myself.

A couple months ago I went through a period of moderately high stress and found the Rhodiola and L-Tyrosine supplements helped me cope much better.  I've still got some.  I don't feel highly stressed right now and on the "hungry" days I don't usually feel stressed, or not in a way I'd recognize.  
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, July 19, 2007, 1:39am; Reply: 7
have you been exercising?
good job getting rid of the diet coke!!(clap)
Posted by: 296 (Guest), Thursday, July 19, 2007, 1:46am; Reply: 8
Quoted from lola
have you been exercising?


Oh, and have I!  ;D  My dad and I are going to run a half-marathon in December so I'm training for it.  My short runs, 4 days a week, are 2 to 4 miles.  One long run every other week.  My last long run was 8 miles, so the next one will be 9.  By the time the half-marathon comes around I want to be consistently logging a base of 20 to 25 miles per week, with long runs at 16 to 20 miles.  
Posted by: 296 (Guest), Thursday, July 19, 2007, 1:49am; Reply: 9
Quoted from geminisue
Maybe your low eating days trigger your big eating days, maybe a balance is in order.  I would suggest beneficials meats only for a few days   Are your portions also smaller on low eating days besides being neutral.  Do you weigh your meat after cooking?


I'm thinking that very thing:  a couple of lower-protein days in a row triggers the big eating days.  I'd like to get off that cycle.

I would love nothing more than to eat all beneficials all the time, especially when it comes to protein, but it's just not possible on my budget.

I've never weighed my meat after cooking.  Is that something I should be doing?   ??)
Posted by: italybound, Thursday, July 19, 2007, 1:11pm; Reply: 10
My first thought was blood sugar (as OSuzanna).  If you are consuming any amount of coffee, that too can trigger blood sugar like symptoms, whether your b/s is actually low or not.  :'(
Posted by: sluggerbean, Friday, July 20, 2007, 12:02am; Reply: 11
Just a thought, but what is your fluid intake?  Are you drinking enough water?  What other fluids do you ingest?

I know that fluids can have an effect on blood sugar levels.
Posted by: geminisue, Friday, July 20, 2007, 12:47am; Reply: 12
Womens serving size is 2-5 oz. so if you start off with a four oz sirloin burger, is will weigh about 3 oz when it is finished cooking.  But if you are going a pound, and draining off the fat, you will end up with 12 oz, so it's your choice, if you want 2 oz servings and get six meals, or 3 oz servings and get 4 meals.

Salmon stays pretty close to the same weight, but a little less.

boneless, skinless, fatless chicken breast, usually between 3& 4 oz raw, so that would be fine for a meal, now turkey, think of a deck of cards or smaller for under 5 oz.

I am trying to lose weight and the closer I stick to two oz servings, the better, I do  Are you trying to lose or is your weight fine, if fine you can eat five oz each meal, if you could afford it,..Remember your greens, especially, if not trying to lose, have your carbs more in the evening, that are beneficial or neutral for you, grain also in PM, better to keep your glucose up during the night.

Also if you eat half your weight in oz of water a day and protein a day, that will also, help for successful weight loss, and good health.  I drink 5 qts a day, every day.

Your body heals itself between 10PM & 2AM and elimination is between 4AM & 8 AM
So in bed at a decent time, is important for good health.  
Posted by: italybound, Friday, July 20, 2007, 1:33am; Reply: 13
Quoted from geminisue
..Remember your greens, especially, if not trying to lose, have your carbs more in the evening, that are beneficial or neutral for you, grain also in PM, better to keep your glucose up during the night.  


Hmmmm, my NP told me to eat protein before going to bed to keep my blood sugar at an even keel thru the night. ??)

Quoted from geminisue
Also if you eat half your weight in oz of water a day and protein a day,


just to clarify .......... are you saying to drink half your weight in oz of water a day and ALSO eat half your weight in protein a day?  That would be a lot of protein a day!!  IF that is to what you were referring.  ;)
Posted by: 296 (Guest), Friday, July 20, 2007, 2:22am; Reply: 14
Quoted from pkarmeier
My first thought was blood sugar (as OSuzanna).  If you are consuming any amount of coffee, that too can trigger blood sugar like symptoms, whether your b/s is actually low or not.  :'(


Nope.  No coffee at all.  
Posted by: 296 (Guest), Friday, July 20, 2007, 2:23am; Reply: 15
Quoted from sluggerbean
Just a thought, but what is your fluid intake?  Are you drinking enough water?  What other fluids do you ingest?

I know that fluids can have an effect on blood sugar levels.


Most days I'll get at least half gallon of fluids, minimum.  There are days when it's been more like 2 gallons.  
Posted by: 296 (Guest), Friday, July 20, 2007, 2:26am; Reply: 16
Quoted from pkarmeier
Hmmmm, my NP told me to eat protein before going to bed to keep my blood sugar at an even keel thru the night. ??)


I'd always heard this, too - to eat protein at night, and especially avoid grains then.  

Posted by: 296 (Guest), Friday, July 20, 2007, 2:31am; Reply: 17
Quoted from sluggerbean
 What other fluids do you ingest?



Oh, yeah:  other fluids.  Here's what I drink:

--tap water

--sparkling water

--decaffeinated green tea

--sometimes herbal tea (but not licorice, because too much can raise your blood pressure)

--one fruit smoothie per day, made of only fruit, water, some soy milk, sometimes a little honey or stevia, and sometimes a little compliant fruit juice


Here is what I don't drink:

--no coffee

--no black tea

--no regular green tea

--no dairy

--no soda pop of any kind, diet or regular

--very rarely a compliant fruit juice
Posted by: geminisue, Friday, July 20, 2007, 2:32am; Reply: 18
If you are eating your meats and greens during the day only, with no fruits, (none was mentioned) and than carbs, (fruit, grains, sweet potato in PM will pick up glucose, so when it drops during the night, it doesn't drop to much.  It will also make you sleepy so you could sleep better.   ( I can't do this myself, because mine is still too high in the evening to eat carbs, grains or fruits,) but if I have a drop in the PM like below 70 than I need to drink something high in glucose, like cherry juice, pineapple juice, which will skyrocket my glucose, if I don't eat some meat or nuts, or/ghee/oil to counteract it.

Yes if you weight 250 you have 125 oz of water and 125G of protein a day, approximately 7 gms, per oz, on most meat.  So thats around 16-18 oz of meat, fish, poultry a day.  and if a person weigh 250 or over they can have 4-6 oz of meat  portions ,  but I try and limit the sirloin beef to 4 oz per day, because it tends to raise the glucose.  This amount of protein, produces lean muscle mass, so that you can lose weight better, because muscle burns calories faster, so if it's build up it works better.  And of course the water, keeps us hydrated, and helps in elimination, through skin and out of body the normal ways.  They say if you are thristy, your are already dehydrated.  Also if on a diuretic, that also makes us lose potassium, and we need to be careful of that two.  Tingling all over is a sympthom of low potassium, it is critically low when it reaches this sensation.  This happened to me two weekends ago with taking 20 meq potassium a day, when I arrived at hospital and blood was checked it was 2.9,  I had to drink two big doses of it, and that taste horrible, and than increase my potassium to 40meq a day.  Calcium is another thing I could tell when I'm running low, I get a sensation running down the shins of my legs, if I wait, I get pain.
Carbs get you hungry and tired, protein & fat give you energy to burn thru the day.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, July 20, 2007, 4:02am; Reply: 19
ok,
grams sound more like it!
glad you clarified this for us GS! thanks!
Posted by: Drea, Friday, July 20, 2007, 2:47pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from geminisue
Yes if you weight 250 you have 125 oz of water and 125G of protein a day, approximately 7 gms, per oz, on most meat.  So thats around 16-18 oz of meat, fish, poultry a day.  and if a person weigh 250 or over they can have 4-6 oz of meat  portions ,  but I try and limit the sirloin beef to 4 oz per day, because it tends to raise the glucose.  This amount of protein, produces lean muscle mass, so that you can lose weight better, because muscle burns calories faster, so if it's build up it works better.  


Thank you geminisue. I've been looking for this type of information. It's a place to start, at least.
Posted by: 296 (Guest), Friday, July 20, 2007, 5:47pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from geminisue
Yes if you weight 250 you have 125 oz of water and 125G of protein a day, approximately 7 gms, per oz, on most meat.  So thats around 16-18 oz of meat, fish, poultry a day.  


I'm around 125, so I should be eating 8 to 9 oz of meat, fish, and poultry a day.  Hm.  My body seriously wants more, most of the time.  Looking at the past several days I can say I've had about 12 to 15 oz of protein each day.  


Quoted from geminisue
If you are eating your meats and greens during the day only, with no fruits, (none was mentioned)



I do eat fruits, actually.  Once per day I have a fruit smoothie, and sometimes I'll have a piece of fruit as a snack.  (Today it was 2 small plums - probably have a smoothie later.)  




Quoted from geminisue
and than carbs, (fruit, grains, sweet potato in PM will pick up glucose, so when it drops during the night, it doesn't drop to much.  It will also make you sleepy so you could sleep better.


I've just never heard to eat carbs at night!  Always the opposite.  ??)  I don't like to eat too many carbs at night because I thought because your digestion slows to a crawl overnight, carbs are more quickly converted to fat....and I want to maintain my weight, not gain.  Also in the past when I would overindulge in the carbs (which was frequently, and quite stupid), it would make me jittery and wakeful, not tired and sleepy.  But maybe that's because I was overshooting the sugars by quite a bit.  




Quoted from geminisue
but I try and limit the sirloin beef to 4 oz per day, because it tends to raise the glucose.  


Beef is beneficial for O's....is it only sirloin that raises glucose, or does all beef do this?  Just wondering.  I've had a couple of sirloin steaks in the past week and they were 8 and 9 oz, respectively.  




Quoted from geminisue
Carbs get you hungry and tired, protein & fat give you energy to burn thru the day.


Oh my GOSH is that the truth!   :-/  I have found this out the hard way.  Pre-BTD I was on Weight Watchers, and it became very clear to me even then that without sufficient protein I would just be hungry, cranky, and tired.  

Which is precisely what I'm trying to avoid now: the hungry, cranky, and tired days.  I'm thinking now that those days are triggered by eating less protein - and when the protein deficiency gets to a certain point, my body overreacts and demands all-protein, all the time.  
Posted by: Don, Friday, July 20, 2007, 6:16pm; Reply: 22
Be careful about using simple rules of thumb to figure out how you should eat. The BTD gives you much more individualized recommendations.

Why don't you consider getting your secretor status tested. Depending on the results it may help you sort out your problem. Are you are Rh+ or Rh-? You don't show it under your avatar.

Try reading the book The Circadian Prescription. It is one book that recommends eating higher protein until late afternoon than eating higher carb after that. I have been eating this way for several years.
Posted by: geminisue, Saturday, July 21, 2007, 1:52am; Reply: 23
all beef is known to raise glucose, but if your not diabetic or prediabetic, I wouldn't worry about it.

8-9 ounces of meat, poultry, fish a day.  Remember the portions for women,  and how is your cholesterol ?

I think the book Don recommended, would help you a lot to understand this.


All the directions for servings per week and size of servings are in the BTD books  these are things we are suppose to eat for best health, and the weight issue goes either way with most, if you need to lose you lose, if you need to gain you gain.  Sometimes a little tweaking is needed for individuality.

With me, I need to eat 6-9 oz of meat, fish, poultry a day, and 8 oz of cooked green/broccoli/etc, than I add my nuts(1 oz walnuts or almonds plus 1 oz of pumpkin seeds)  I eat egg whites, for extra protein, & salad with lemon juice & olive oil and fresh/dry herbs & beneficial spices.  (notice no flour, grain, dairy, and very little fruit)  I've changed things quite a bit for myself in the last few month and it's worked for the better.
Posted by: geminisue, Saturday, July 21, 2007, 1:54am; Reply: 24
your welcome Lola, It wasn't meant to read that way, lol
Posted by: italybound, Saturday, July 21, 2007, 3:01am; Reply: 25
Quoted from dragonsgold5
I've just never heard to eat carbs at night!  Always the opposite.  ??)  I don't like to eat too many carbs at night because I thought because your digestion slows to a crawl overnight, carbs are more quickly converted to fat....and I want to maintain my weight, not gain.  Also in the past when I would overindulge in the carbs (which was frequently, and quite stupid), it would make me jittery and wakeful, not tired and sleepy.  But maybe that's because I was overshooting the sugars by quite a bit.    


Good carbs like sweet potatoes w/ some good fat like ghee, will help to make you sleepy and will slow down the absorption rate of the sugars in the sweet potato, plus the fiber will also help.
Were the carbs that made you jittery and wakeful, simple (or empty) or complex carbs?
Maybe my NP suggested protein for me at night as my blood sugar was a little high in the mornings. This is another area where individuality plays a role. :-)  As MoDon suggests, knowing your secretor status will really help.
BTW, thanks for starting this thread, much needed review info for me here. :-)  
Geminisue, thanks for clarifying the oz/gram thing on the protein. Whew!!!  Now it all makes sense  ;)  And thanks for the other helpful info as well.  :K)
Posted by: 296 (Guest), Saturday, July 21, 2007, 4:04am; Reply: 26
Quoted from ironwood55
Be careful about using simple rules of thumb to figure out how you should eat. The BTD gives you much more individualized recommendations.

I do check the BTD books regularly and find that helps me to refine my eating habits,  which I hope means I will stay healthy.  And within a healthy weight range.  I consider the BTD to be of primary importance in my life and I strive to follow the best recommendations in the books.  Ideally I would go to a BTD practitioner in my area but when I first joined this site and checked for one, there isn't anyone close enough - yet.  I do know my sister goes to a chiropractor about 60 miles from where I live; hmmm, maybe he can recommend someone closer to me.  Glad I'm thinking about this now because I'll be following up on that soon!

Quoted from ironwood55
Why don't you consider getting your secretor status tested. Depending on the results it may help you sort out your problem. Are you are Rh+ or Rh-? You don't show it under your avatar.

Good idea to get my secretor status checked.  As soon as we dig ourselves out of what I hope is a temporary financial hole, I might be able to do that.  I'd also like to get that blood test done that shows you all the other factors in your blood which further refines the dietary recommendations - but right now, since it's a shoestring budget, I have to do the best I can with the books.  And with all you guys on the boards!  ;D   And, I'm Rh positive.  I'll go post that on my avatar.

Quoted from ironwood55
Try reading the book The Circadian Prescription. It is one book that recommends eating higher protein until late afternoon than eating higher carb after that. I have been eating this way for several years.

Thank you for the book recommendation.  I was planning a trip to Half Price Books next week to sell a bunch of books; now I have one to look for.  

Thanks!!

Cheri

Posted by: Don, Saturday, July 21, 2007, 4:07am; Reply: 27
Quoted from dragonsgold5
Thank you for the book recommendation.  I was planning a trip to Half Price Books next week to sell a bunch of books; now I have one to look for.

Check the library and you might be able to read it for free. That is where I found it.

Posted by: 296 (Guest), Saturday, July 21, 2007, 4:09am; Reply: 28
Quoted from pkarmeier
Good carbs like sweet potatoes w/ some good fat like ghee, will help to make you sleepy and will slow down the absorption rate of the sugars in the sweet potato, plus the fiber will also help.


Ah!  I can wrap my head around that.  Complex carbs - i.e., healthy carbs - plus some good fat at night:  that's good.  

In my pre-BTD life the carbs that kept me up at night were basically junk carbs.  
Like I said:  stupid.  Took me awhile to figure out not to do that.  



Quoted from pkarmeier
BTW, thanks for starting this thread, much needed review info for me here. :-)  


I'm just glad I have my on-line BTD support group.  You guys are the best!  So supportive, so willing to jump in and help us newbies figure out which end is up.  Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.   :D

Cheri

Posted by: 782 (Guest), Saturday, July 21, 2007, 2:29pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from geminisue
I am trying to lose weight and the closer I stick to two oz servings, the better, I do


Hi - can you elaborate on this? For instance, are you finding that smaller portions are helping you lose weight even though your total intake over a day hasn't changed, or are you cutting back on total intake and that's what's helping? Would be interested to hear what a typical days' meals entail... I see you kind of mentioned that with another post:

Quoted from geminisue
With me, I need to eat 6-9 oz of meat, fish, poultry a day, and 8 oz of cooked green/broccoli/etc, than I add my nuts(1 oz walnuts or almonds plus 1 oz of pumpkin seeds)  I eat egg whites, for extra protein, & salad with lemon juice & olive oil and fresh/dry herbs & beneficial spices.  (notice no flour, grain, dairy, and very little fruit)  I've changed things quite a bit for myself in the last few month and it's worked for the better.


Posted by: geminisue, Saturday, July 21, 2007, 2:50pm; Reply: 30
Sure I was eating at the larger end of the portion size and lost good for four months, than after messing up during the holidays, it took a long time to my body to adjust to eating correctly again.  Than did, and was either losing very slowly, or staying the same for months at a time,  couldn't afford the secretor testing, so decided to eat as a nonnie, because of all my health issues, that helped health wise, but was still eating too much beef, and not sirloin at the time, but did drain and rinse.  Also was having a problem with getting rid of pizza, so decided to make the topping only in a pan, but used sirloin steak pieces, anchovies, and compliant vegetables in a tomato sauce, loved it . Was beginning to lose again, but that also stopped, so decided to tweak oz of meat per meal.  

I am unable to exercise like suggested for an "O" so I do isometrics, to firm the muscles, try one set of 10 (tightening holding for cold of five and slowly releasing)each hour or two.  I also do ten squats at the kitchen sink twice a day, while my meal is cooking.  When I go into my office, and ready to leave, I stand and sit ten times.  Very recently I started playing music on the computer and been hula hooping with no hula hoop, and moving my arms, kind of swaying.  Well between the 2 oz portions and the bit of dancing once in a while I have been losing about 1/2 lb a day for the past month.  Hope this helps you to get the general picture, if not ask more questions. (EVERYONE, PLEASE DON'T CONGRATULATE OR MENTION THE LOSS AS THIS MESSES ME UP, HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT WHY BUT JUST NEED TO KEEP LOSING NOW,
QUICKLY, SO i CAN DO SOMETHING SPECIAL IN FEBRUARY)  Thanks
Posted by: 782 (Guest), Saturday, July 21, 2007, 3:19pm; Reply: 31
A-ha!  Good article on "intermittent fasting" and it gets into some Paleolithic/ancient-warrior-diet blabbing as well:
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=278
Posted by: Drea, Saturday, July 21, 2007, 3:39pm; Reply: 32
Thanks for the link, reasearchingthings. Interesting!
Posted by: geminisue, Saturday, July 21, 2007, 9:24pm; Reply: 33
researchingthings- thank you for that article, kind of reminds me of something I discovered, about myself, I eat completely healthy for three days and than have like an extra meal the fourth day, or maybe a couple of neutrals the fourth day.  I don't lose that day, but the following three days I have good losses.  It like the brain is being sent a message I need a little more and I will give you what you want(more weight loss)  Any understanding on this?
Posted by: 296 (Guest), Sunday, July 22, 2007, 2:06am; Reply: 34
It's a weird thing that can happen, and I'd love to know why.  I've heard of people on strict low-calorie diets - which is clearly not the same as the BTD, I know, but maybe there's still some usable component here, but anyway:  it's as if the body gets used to the diet, so you reach a plateau and stop losing weight - but if you temporarily re-introduce some dietary no-no's, it's like that shocks your system into losing weight again!  (Well, as long as it's only a temporary change from your normal dietary plan.)
Posted by: 782 (Guest), Sunday, July 22, 2007, 4:40pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from geminisue
researchingthings- thank you for that article, kind of reminds me of something I discovered, about myself, I eat completely healthy for three days and than have like an extra meal the fourth day, or maybe a couple of neutrals the fourth day.  I don't lose that day, but the following three days I have good losses.  It like the brain is being sent a message I need a little more and I will give you what you want(more weight loss)  Any understanding on this?


Well, I hear bodybuilders who do low-carb (which is pretty O-oriented) talk about how they lose weight the day after a carb-up... a carb-up being a day like you described :)  kind of. Supposedly has something to do with what carbs do with water.

What you described could have a bunch of other things going on for it too, of course, but it does parallel to a degree what I've heard from bodybuilders. As research findings are still evolving, I think it's really not a bad idea to check anyone's recommendations against what feels right for your body... instincts are there for a reason.

Posted by: 296 (Guest), Monday, July 23, 2007, 8:10pm; Reply: 36
It's been seven days since I first posted about this problem I'd been having, "hungry" days that seemed to come in cycles.  I thought y'all might like to hear an update!

Thanks to everyone here in the forums I've taken a couple of suggestions to heart.  First, my goal was to get off the hunger cycle.  I've been tackling this issue by not skipping or slighting protein with my meals.  I know that sounds so basic for a type-O diet, but apparently I needed to be reminded.  

Secondly I've been re-thinking how and when I take in any carbs.  Now, when eating any carbs - starchy vegetables, fruits, or a (rare) serving of a compliant grain - I make sure to have a good protein or fat available to go with it.  Meal-planning has never been my strong suit, and one of the things I was having a hard time with on this diet was cooking fresh meals for myself when my schedule is usually croweded with things like running the kids around (they're 7, 9, and 13), maintaining the home and keeping up with the laundry, and training for a half-marathon.  I kept getting resentful of how much effort it takes to just keep myself fed.  I was unhappy because I no longer have the option anymore of grabbing a waffle for breakfast or throwing some Hot Pockets in the microwave for dinner.  Those convenience foods really are quicker, aren't they?  Not healthy, but fast.  I was having a hard time getting over the quick-food habit.  But re-thinking the carbs made me think more about meal-planning....and even though I'm sure there will be times that once again, I'll be aggravated that meal-planning takes so much time in thought, food prep, and actual cooking, I feel like I've got a better handle on things.  I needed to hear that I should take in carbs with proteins/fats.  Somehow I must have glossed over that in the books.  And somehow, it helps to know because it gives me a place to start when planning a meal.  

I'm fitting into my clothes better.  I don't need to lose weight but I don't want to gain, and when I was on the hungry cycle, I was starting to gain.  I feel like my weight will stay under control now, and probably without a whole lot of worry, either.  

It's all thanks to the BTD - and all of you on the forums.  

Thank you!!!

Cheri
Posted by: Drea, Monday, July 23, 2007, 8:20pm; Reply: 37
Thanks for the update, dragonsgold5. I love the amount of support I get from this forum.
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