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Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, July 1, 2007, 2:29am
Being an O, I'm concerned about doing this diet to alleviate my Diarrhea.  But it has gone into chronic stage and is very painful.

I am getting tested for virus but in the meantime, this Rice, Banana, Applesauce, plain toast diet seems appealing toward healing.

Today I have been EXTREMELY fatigued from this... going on weeks now and the only thing that boosts me up is chocolate and sugar.

I've been trying to get liquids in to help with my electrolyte balances and drinking ginger tea.

Suggestions?  

Comments on an O doing the BRAT diet?
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, July 1, 2007, 3:06am; Reply: 1
It wouldn't hurt to try it for a while, but I would find a compliant bread that is gluten free.  Don't default to wheat bread.  I suggest you don't neglect salt in your diet, but find the best quality one you can get.  Not just sea salt.  Try something like Himalayan Crystal Salt, Celtic Sea Salt or Redmond real salt, something that is high in natural minerals.  You can add that to a bit of dilute fruit juice for your electrolyte replacement.  

But that diarrhea has been persistent, hasn't it!  I can't remember what you have already done to attempt to get to the cause.  Could you refresh our memory?

Comprehensive stool sample, to test for parasites, bacteria, etc. in the gut.
Gluten intolerance.
Candida overgrowth.
Chronic stress.

Just some ideas of possible causes.
Posted by: Don, Sunday, July 1, 2007, 3:31am; Reply: 2
Try using some Polyflora O or get some of the Saccharomyces Boulardii that is an ingredient of Polyflora O, which is used medicinally to treat diarrhea.

ER4YT suggest blueberries, elderberries, raspberry leaf, and acidophilus for diarrhea.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, July 1, 2007, 3:41am; Reply: 3
have you checked to see if you have giardia in a stool test?



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Giardia is a chronic diarrhea type state. Giardia I typically treat with Chinese Wormwood (Artemesia).
Posted by: Vicki, Sunday, July 1, 2007, 4:19am; Reply: 4
Carob is a great way to help alleviate diarrhea but addressing the underlying cause is even better!

Posted by: pipnjohn, Sunday, July 1, 2007, 5:01am; Reply: 5
Quoted from funkymuse
Being an O, I'm concerned about doing this diet to alleviate my Diarrhea.  But it has gone into chronic stage and is very painful.

You are probably dehydrated!

I am getting tested for virus but in the meantime, this Rice, Banana, Applesauce, plain toast diet seems appealing toward healing.

Are you eating wheat bread toast?

Today I have been EXTREMELY fatigued from this... going on weeks now and the only thing that boosts me up is chocolate and sugar.

"chocolate" you probably are deficient in Magnesium!

I've been trying to get liquids in to help with my electrolyte balances and drinking ginger tea.

Suggestions?

Plain water with a little sea salt! (lots of it)

Comments on an O doing the BRAT diet?


Try some transdermal magnesium oil to help get your levels up. (without affecting your bowls)

Are you compliant with the "O" BTD?  

Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Sunday, July 1, 2007, 9:13am; Reply: 6
funky,

I was plagued by chronic diarrhea for 21 years.  21.  years.

The BTD stopped it cold, in two weeks.

First of all, wheat is a potent, rotting toxin in your type O bowels.  It's a sneaky and vicious little Trojan Horse that looks and tastes like food but, once you swallow it, all it does is stick to the inside of your guts like tar.  There it inflames everything, blocks up food absorption, and just starts to rot, giving off great, putrid plumes of foul, toxic gas and making your guts swell up to where you feel like you're John Hurt in "Alien", flat on your back just before a little monster bursts out of your abdomen and runs across the floor, screeching like pure evil.  Then Sigourney Weaver has to spend four films trying to kill it and all its distant relatives.

I strongly, absolutely, positively suggest that you cut wheat out of your diet.  Forever.  Also, that applesauce is a nightmare.  I beg you not to do it.  Not at all.

This is what I did, and it helped me immensely:  1) I cut out all starches but rice and beneficial fruits.  2) I started having a good-sized, grass-fed steak every day, cooked to no more than medium rare (this is the one thing that I suspect really cures diarrhea in O's like nothing else).  3) I started taking Deflect, astragalus, rose hips, a zinc-copper combo supplement, and a yeast cleanse supplement, also from the health food store (this stuff really brought down the swelling in my stomach and totally cleaned me out... and I passed more gas than an OPEC pipeline).

If you do all this then, after maybe two or three weeks of this, I'd say start taking some of Dr. D's Polyflora for O's.

This is what I did, and it worked amazingly well for me.  No more diarrhea.  You might try it yourself.   
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, July 1, 2007, 1:41pm; Reply: 7
Thanks for the GREAT replies...

I'll try to address each thing.  Don't eat wheat anymore.  Haven't for awhile.

I take many of the ER4YT supp's including Polyflora, Deflect, Polyvite, Harmonia, B-12, Pytocal, and NAP for my knees.

Every morning I have a glass of freshly squeezed lemon juice, Proberry, and water.

Was taking the Magnesium drink Calm, but since it makes the diarrhea worse, I stopped for now.  I've been wanting to try the oil - this is a good time to order it!

Yes I had the diarrhea (wondered if anyone would remember!), a couple of months back and it just went away on it's own.  So I figured this would too... but it's hanging on... so my stool sample goes to labratory this week.  We suspect a virus or bacteria, bug, etc., and I'm sure they will test for giardia.

The web also suggested a mixture of salt, sugar and water boiled and then kept in the fridge and sipped on through the day.  I was thinking of using Agave syrup... what do you all think of this?   ??)

I've been drinking alot of plain water and in addition some green tea and ginger tea as well as a juice electrolyte replacement but I think the salt/sugar water would help my energy.

I've also been eating alot of blueberries, even though the general instructions on the web say no fruits with fiber.  

At any rate, I'm going to try to run with the suggestions that you all have made and am actually hoping they find some kind of critter in my sample so that we can get to the bottom of this!

No pun intended!  :o

Oh.. I also thought of doing some egg white powder in a shake made with the banana and some blueberry juice and a little plain organic soy milk.... do you think this would irritate the condition?
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, July 1, 2007, 1:44pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from ironwood55
Try using some Polyflora O or get some of the Saccharomyces Boulardii that is an ingredient of Polyflora O, which is used medicinally to treat diarrhea.

ER4YT suggest blueberries, elderberries, raspberry leaf, and acidophilus for diarrhea.


MoDon... what kind of Acidophilus...?  There are lots to choose from out there!

Also is this Saccharomyces.Boulardii, a yeast cleansing supp. - something that Ron-O-Non suggests taking?
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, July 1, 2007, 4:28pm; Reply: 9
try introducing bone broth and veggies to your diet!
also add ghee to restore your flora, and your energy.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, July 1, 2007, 4:48pm; Reply: 10
Leave off the sugar.  Just good quality salt and water.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, July 1, 2007, 7:40pm; Reply: 11
I had a piece of Eziekel Toast with some ghee this morning and I love to drink beef broth.

However vegies are high in fiber and that's why I can't do many right now.  Harmonia is what I'm doin' for that for a short time.
Posted by: Drea, Monday, July 2, 2007, 1:00am; Reply: 12
I though fiber was good for diarrhea.  ??)
Posted by: Don, Monday, July 2, 2007, 3:04am; Reply: 13
You might want to look at this product: CeraLyte an advanced rehydration drink designed to help people with diarrhea.

I recently bought some of their CeraSport product for my soccer playing teenage sons to try.
Posted by: Don, Monday, July 2, 2007, 3:08am; Reply: 14
Quoted from funkymuse
MoDon... what kind of Acidophilus...?  There are lots to choose from out there!

I don't have any particular recommendation.

Quoted from funkymuse
Also is this Saccharomyces.Boulardii, a yeast cleansing supp. - something that Ron-O-Non suggests taking?

Did you read the information about it at the link I provided? It said it is supposed to help displace problematic yeast strains.

You can find a lot more information about it if you do an Internet search on it.



Posted by: Victoria, Monday, July 2, 2007, 3:22am; Reply: 15
Quoted from ironwood55

Did you read the information about it at the link I provided? It said it is supposed to help displace problematic yeast strains.

You can find a lot more information about it if you do an Internet search on it.


I've used this product, pre-BTD, when I had  irritable bowels for a couple of decades.  I lost track of the number of bm's I used to have daily, at that time.  Anyway, the product helped a lot in the short term.

Following the BTD was the best permanent fix, especially staying 100% to my secretor status program.  But the last of the problems went away when I cut out all gluten containing grains and cow's milk products.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Monday, July 2, 2007, 1:56pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from outdoordrea
I though fiber was good for diarrhea.  ??)


This is just one of the many quotes from sites on Google when I plugged in "Diarrhea Diet:"

Bland Diet For Diarrhea

One option is the BRAT diet (bananas, rice, applesauce and toast) which is a traditional short-term diet plan used to manage diarrhea and gastroenteritis, after about 24 hours has passed when vomiting has stopped. BRAT-type foods provide a combination of bland, low dietary fiber foods which provide energy without gastric irritation. Bananas contain potassium, to control the body's fluid balance, boiled rice and toast provide low-fiber carbohydrate that doesn't irritate the bowel. Applesauce supposedly cleanses the digestive system. Keep your diet bland until such time the diarrhea is better.
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It seems that fiber causes gastric irritation which at this point I can testify to!!!!  
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And MoDon.. I tried to find Saccharomyces.Boulardii at the Wild Oats but no cigar so I ordered it online yesterday... it sounds great.

And the salt/sugar water concoction recipe that the web search provided said that one could use it instead of the commercially available nutrient replacement drinks such as CeraLyte  ... So I did the salt/sugar water yesterday and my energy was better.  

I did purchase the Astragalus and the Bovine Colostrums per Dr. D's Intestinal and Antibacterial Protocols from the Blood Type Encyclopedia.

Also the Wild Oats gal said to get a product called "Bio-K PLUS 1 CL1285 - Dairy-free culture - The only Clinically proven formula of L. Acidophilus + L. casel."

Yesterday I stuck to a bland diet and still had the diarrhea but not the horrible stomach cramping and aches that usually came with it.  

I'm expecting to get better and wondering if I should still send in the stool sample.

Does anyone know if these methods that I am trying will take care of the bacteria and bug strains?  I mean, what would the doc do if I had a bacteria or bug?  I think my NP would get me goin' on all this stuff anyway.  
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, July 2, 2007, 4:18pm; Reply: 17
It depends on what critters you might have.  A severe case of some parasite or bacterial infestation will sometimes need the chemical cure.  Even naturopaths often give anti parasitic or anti biotic meds to a patient with severe problems.

If you do the stool test, make sure that it is a Comprehensive Panel, which covers a large number of potential problems.  They are kind of expensive, but you have a major issue.  Most docs don't know or won't do the comprehensive panel.  They have to be sent away to a lab that specializes in that sort of thing, like Great Smokey Mountain labs, which goes by a different name now . . . ?
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Monday, July 2, 2007, 5:43pm; Reply: 18
Well the one I'm sending it to is:

Metametrix Clinical Lab in Norcross, GA


Same one?
Posted by: MzMoonpie, Monday, July 2, 2007, 6:36pm; Reply: 19
Leave out the sugar! Yeast lives off of sugar.  I like to drink SmartWater (available at Target), which is gatorade without all the sugar and artificial junk.  It tastes just like water.

My gastrointestinal issues went away after completely giving up dairy, yeast, wheat, sugar and followed the O diet of no spuds.  No issues at all.  And since I've been taking a probiotic and other vitamins, everything is "smooth sailing."  ;-)
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, July 3, 2007, 5:12am; Reply: 20
fm,
I don't know the new name of Great Smokie Mt. Labs, but it's in Asheville, NC.  The important thing is that the test is for a LOT of different parasites.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, July 3, 2007, 5:19am; Reply: 21
changed their name to Genova Diagnostics
http://www.gdx.net/home/
Posted by: Laura P, Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 1:11pm; Reply: 22
Hello, hello it is the 'Big D' queen chiming in here.  As some on who until about a year ago suffered from constant chronic watery D for about 10 years (can we say 20-30 times a day on a good day)  let me tell you the best diet for D

LOW CARB!

Cook yourself bone broths, eat eggs, meat, lots of good fats, small amounts of pureed veggies, but keep the carbs low

Also helpful is sour foods, so the lemon water and what not is good, I have not read all the detail in the thread yet so I'm going to go back and do that right now and see if I have anything to add, but I can not emphasize enough

LOW CARB, LOW CARB, LOW CARB!!!!

If you go through a day that you only eat 1 cup pureed veggies that is fine, just keep it low
Posted by: Laura P, Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 1:33pm; Reply: 23

"Also the Wild Oats gal said to get a product called "Bio-K PLUS 1 CL1285 - Dairy-free culture - The only Clinically proven formula of L. Acidophilus + L. casel."


No bio-K has terrible additives you don't need that junk, also be careful adding any probiotics right now because they might make it worse
Posted by: Laura P, Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 1:35pm; Reply: 24
Also just a note in general, don't listen to the advice people at whole foods or whatever health food store tell you, in general (I'm sure there are exceptions ) they have absolutly no training or education on what is good for what, all they really follow is the supplement hype that is popular at the times, so really not the best source to be telling you what to put in your body, especially with your condition
Posted by: Laura P, Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 1:40pm; Reply: 25

"Does anyone know if these methods that I am trying will take care of the bacteria and bug strains?  I mean, what would the doc do if I had a bacteria or bug?  I think my NP would get me goin' on all this stuff anyway. "

Ok, this is my fourth post in a role.  Once again low carb diet is important here and will work synergistically with anything you do.  The method used to get rid of parasites (if that is your problem) will completely depend on the strength of the pathogen.  In most cases you will require a round of antibiotics- but be careful most Docs are not really well schooled as to what antibiotics will help what condition, there is a very specific science there

I don't really think parasites are your major problem, don't get me wrong, you might have those too but I don't think they are you big issue
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 7:18pm; Reply: 26
Thank you Laura and everyone else here.  I've cut down on the amount of times I go per day and when I do eat carbs (bad ones), it's very painful on my tummy.  

The problem I'm having is cravings during this time.  I don't know if I'm even absorbing any nutrients.

Today I made sure to have a nice steak for lunch with some organic papaya.

And still fighting off the need for something chocolate.  

Thanks for the heads up on BioK Plus I.  
Posted by: Mrs. Rodgers, Friday, July 6, 2007, 5:15pm; Reply: 27
FM,

The homeopathic remedy my old naturopathic doctor always gave any of us for diarrhea was Bryonia.  I would call him, tell him I thought I had food poisoning, he would muscle test over the phone, say take Bryonia and hang up.  He wasn't too concerned because it always worked.  In acute situations, you can take a homeopathic every 5 minutes until things calm down, then cut back to three times a day and stop when you're feeling normal.  Doesn't matter what is causing the diarrhea.  
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