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Posted by: 109 (Guest), Tuesday, June 19, 2007, 7:16pm
Hello, it's been a while since I've posted, but I've been doing really well following the Type O nonsecretor diet.  However, I'm looking for some meal options.  In the book Live Right 4 Your Type, there are no real meal suggestions for nonsecretors.  The meal suggestions for Eat Right 4 Your Type are all assuming that one is a secretor.  

So, I was wondering if some of you who have really fine tuned your diet could help me out.  What do you guys eat for breakfast?  I usually have either eggs or turkey sausage with steamed veggies.  For lunch and dinner, I have either meat or fish with veggies.  I usually have a serving or two of walnuts per day and usually one serving of fruit per day.  I'm on a low sugar diet right now and have to be careful not to overdo the fruit.  This doesn't leave all that many options for carbs.  Do we really need rice, quinoa, and other neutral grains?  I still do eat them, but it is recommended that nonsecretors have 0-3 servings of these grains per week.  Psychologically, my mind keeps telling me, "your body needs more carbs."  However, my cravings for carbs are becoming less and less as I go along.  I eat carrots often and sweet potatoes.  

One thing to note is that I am far from being overweight.  I'm quite lean.  So, weight gain is not a worry for me.

Posted by: mikeo, Tuesday, June 19, 2007, 11:02pm; Reply: 1
get your carbs in the morning from fruit...your muscles need glycogen to function them on an empty stomach first thing and try two servings so two different fruits...wait 20 minutes and eat protein from any beneficial source from leftovers the night before or made up on the spot....lots of  green bene vegies whenever possible even for breakfast

nix the grains as much as possible
Posted by: 109 (Guest), Wednesday, June 20, 2007, 2:31am; Reply: 2
So, even neutral grains should be eliminated?  So, it's best for Type O non-secretors to get their carbs from fruits and vegetables?  If I am only able to eat one serving of fruit per day due, what are some other options to make sure I'm getting enough carbs per day?  I realize the vegetables I'm eating three times a day have carbs, but is that enough?

Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, June 20, 2007, 2:36am; Reply: 3
enjoy your root veggies with ghee!
Posted by: 1206 (Guest), Wednesday, June 20, 2007, 12:11pm; Reply: 4
I eat 5+ servings of vegis a day. Always keep an artichoke and avacado around for snacks.
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Wednesday, June 20, 2007, 12:45pm; Reply: 5

I actually eat eggs cooked in ghee and have a smoothie with blueberries, bananas, cherry juice, and avocado.  It's amazing, and the avocado gives it a buttery smoothness and thickness that's really satisfying.

I suppose I could even try adding some sweet potato puree to the smoothie, to give it lectin-binding qualities, as indicated by the SWAMI results I got.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, June 20, 2007, 3:16pm; Reply: 6
sounds delicious!
Posted by: 648 (Guest), Thursday, June 21, 2007, 8:52pm; Reply: 7

I am not new to the BTD but have recently discovered my non-secretor status. I am trippn' a little because of everything that is an avoid, which I imagine everyone has gone through who is a nonnie. I am now doing the Fat Flush Plan with BTD O+ nonnie tweeks......and it is amazing what I CAN'T have.

I have multiple sclerosis and am treating the disease with nutrition (not drugs) so I have to do this but it's a bit difficult for me to digest. Where do you guys suggest beginning?

Many, many thanks......Noel
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, June 21, 2007, 8:57pm; Reply: 8
avoid all that needs to be avoided according to your status, for starts.

let us know what the FFP consists of?

are there any powders or sups you need to take, and can you write down the ingredients for us, to help you?
Posted by: 648 (Guest), Thursday, June 21, 2007, 10:29pm; Reply: 9
What is FFP? (I'm new) ;D

I will go to the supplements. I'm pretty dialed into the supplements but I am very curious as to your take. I'll pull them out and post again.

Posted by: Lola, Thursday, June 21, 2007, 11:40pm; Reply: 10
Fat Flush Plan
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, June 22, 2007, 6:08pm; Reply: 11
Marion78, no, neutral carbs do NOT need to be eliminated, that is why they are neutral instead of avoids.  That said, you don't need to feel that you "should" eat grains if you are an O nonnie and you find that you want them less and less.  Quite the contrary, you will notice that the recommended portion amount of grains for O nonnies is ZERO to 1 cup per WEEK.  So, if we follow Dr. D.'s recommendations, we are only allowed to have 1 cup of cooked grain (that is a very small amount) per WEEK, and we could have zero and be within the recommended amount.  In other words, I interpret that recommendation as saying "You, O nonnie, can have a tiny bit of neutral grain every week if you really want it, but if you don't want any, that is just as well and probably even the ideal."

An O nonnie's ideal carb source is vegetables and fruit.  After that, seeds and nuts are next.  Grains are dead last.  We are allowed to have some (up to 1 cup of cooked grain per week) if we want, but we don't need to have any.
Posted by: 648 (Guest), Friday, June 22, 2007, 6:41pm; Reply: 12

The Fat Flush Plan is a way to clean the body of toxins, cellulite, give the liver a rest, etc.....

It consists of drinking unsweetened cranberry water several times a day, psyllium husk with cran-water and hot water with lemon before breakfast, then three meals a day that consist of protein and vegetables and two snacks a day with alternating fruits and veges. It also insists on GLA and CLA plus the necessary supplements. Also, it says to walk or rebound every day with some stretching.

There are three phases and the first one I am on is the most cleansing, the you integrate carbs in the form of vegetables (phase one veges are the leafy greens, broc, etc...) and then if you can tolerate dairy you go from there and start adding foods back in.

I have done extensive research into nutrition for multiple sclerosis as I have been taught by Dr. Swank that it is a nutritional disease (like heart disease and diabetes, along with the genetic factor of these diseases). I have been following BTD for years and now FINALLY took the secretor test to reveal my non-secretor status. I do not take any drugs for MS and I never will. Those too are toxic poisons and actually contribute to the disease getting worse (but that's another message board topic!).

The Fat Flush Plan has given me the opportunity to go off of my food addictions (coffee, the healthy sugars and flours - I have been wheat free for years). It cleanses and detoxifies on a level that my body needs. After all my research, it is the only plan that flushes and builds......with BTD info. integrated into it and it's working but its VERY challenging to detox.

I just took the OxyStress test this morning and I am in the SEVERE catrgory with the free radicals. I am now taking the ProBerry daily, along with eating blueberries, strawberries, the peppers, WILL take time but I know my body can regenerate. It has before - but then I got pregnant and that threw everything off for multiple reasons.

Now I have a plan, a program and the BTD is my foundation. I just need to get creative with adjusting the recipes - we need a Nonnie Cookbook.

As far as supplements I take:

New Chapter Cal/Mag
New Chapter Woman's Daily
New Chapter CoQ10
New Chapter Chromium
New Chapter Chorella (I have the BTD to take next)
New Chapter All Flora
New Chapter Holy Basil
New Chapter Green Tea (have suspended this until after the cleanse)
BTD Fucus Plus
BTD Deflect
BTD Methyl12 Plus
and just finishing up the Garden of Life FucoThin.

I also take Hemp Oil, Black Currant Seed Oil and Spectrum Naturals Flax Seed Oil - and just started the ProBerry.

It's kinda annoying to take so much but until my body gets out of SEVERE stress and back into balance I'll go with it. Some of these I'll always take and some are a phase for rebalance.

My health, my nutrition and my body IS my job, besides being a single mom, researcher and writer. So.....this is where it is at now. I have about 40 pounds to lose from being pregnant. I started out at 133 and got up to 206 (due to pre-eclampsia) and I am now at 180. If I get down to 140 I'll be stoked.

It's work-in-progress.

I have no problem with discipline, etc. I am just overwhelmed with what I can't have and eating out and going to people's houses to eat. I am known for treating my disease with nutrition but it really, really challenging and I wouldn't wish it upon anyone - especially being a nonnie. But it's where my body is.....and I just need the support!

Thanks for reading, listening and responding.

Aloha, Noel
Posted by: 648 (Guest), Friday, June 22, 2007, 6:49pm; Reply: 13

One last thing I want to add - is that I finally have the structure to eat nutritionally thanks to Fat Flush. I have translated just a couple of ingredients for non-secretor. It gives a realistic protocol for eating nutritionally, and for people like me who have diseases to heal - it provides a way of eating that is a lifestyle. It's challenging to eat healthy in this culture!

Thanks again for reading and responding.

Aloha, Noel
Posted by: Drea, Friday, June 22, 2007, 7:48pm; Reply: 14
StarMama33, thanks for giving us the rundown on the Fat Flush Plan.  I did a different, but similar detox program by Mark Hyman, MD called the Ultra Simple Diet, but could only last 5 out of 7 days. I keep trying, though, and I've incorporated a lot of the plan into my everyday choices. That plan says to give up: caffeine (except for green tea), red meat, all grains except for a little brown rice, all flours, all processed foods, all sweeteners (including fruit juice concentrates), corn, nightshades, alcohol, and dairy. It's tough, and the first 3 days on it are the most difficult.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, June 22, 2007, 8:07pm; Reply: 15

find something to substitute the strawberries....

I guess this place is where you are best understood!

check my status! ;)

have you looked in the health series books yet?

nutritional info is much more targeted in those.....things I took for granted are now off limits for me, wouldn t hurt taking a peak....specially the peppers you mention, again depending on your issues.
Posted by: 648 (Guest), Friday, June 22, 2007, 8:25pm; Reply: 16

Okay - I deserve a big DUHR. I have studied the BTD Encyclopedia until I am dizzy and I did not see the strawberries! Yesterday on the Fat Flush I went NUTS and I had a strawberry/blueberry smoothie. Got it.

Raspberries, boysenberries, elderberries and cherries are the substitute. This is why I am here because I am not TOTALLY up on the game yet. I will now substitute the strawberries and give them to my neighbour.

Anyone know about Hemp Oil? I LOVE hemp products but it is not in any of the books maybe because it is "new" to the market.

I'll keep you posted on the weight loss and the cleanse. The first three days I had a KILLER headache but I also went off of a daily cup of green tea cold turkey. For the initial phase of the cleanse green tea is out. Water, hot water with lemon and cran-water are the only liquids. I am certainly using the ladies room a lot. If it flushes cellulite I'll let you know. Being pregnant was HARD on my body.

Why peppers for you?

I have also crossed the BTD and the FFP with food allergy testing. Peppers have not been an issues for me.

Thanks for your response!

Aloha, Noel
Posted by: Lola, Friday, June 22, 2007, 8:28pm; Reply: 17

links to old threads on hemp oil and anything hemp.......
I prefer wearing it! lol
Posted by: 648 (Guest), Friday, June 22, 2007, 9:42pm; Reply: 18

Thanks for the links on Hemp Oil. So far I can't see anything "wrong" with it and I like the protein powder, nut butter and oil. Because of the Fat Flush Plan, I only ingest the oil and I have no problem with the flavour.

It is "technically" supposed to help with muscle spasms - the oil and the medicinal plant. I have a vaporizer that I use a couple of days a week and take the oil daily. I am not worried about a drug-test as I am a stay-at-home-freelance-writing-mama and I have a card.

Flax tastes funkier to me.

I'll let you know how the cleanse goes. This has been VERY helpful.

Aloha, Noel
Posted by: 648 (Guest), Friday, June 22, 2007, 9:44pm; Reply: 19

One last question - how is the MN, NN, NM....all those is that determined.

I also just took the OxyStress test. Has anyone else had SEVERE as a result? The MS may contribute to that.....but I am working on the antioxidant levels.


Aloha, Noel
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, June 23, 2007, 2:04am; Reply: 20
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Posted by: Lola, Saturday, June 23, 2007, 2:08am; Reply: 21
magnesium product that has been discussed on another thread that is rubbed onto the skin.  It is called magnesium oil.  This one allows a person to absorb a large amount of magnesium without passing it through the digestive tract.  So there is no problem with loose stools.
you might want to look into this.
Posted by: Becky, Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 8:11pm; Reply: 22
Ok, pretend this is my first ever post, and am slightly retarded.  

Where do I find the Fat Flush plan?
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 4:29am; Reply: 23
Quoted Text
Fat Flush plan?

you mean the new GTD?

order the book, and start measuring!! ;)
Posted by: meribelle, Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 11:14am; Reply: 24
Quoted from 1206
I eat 5+ servings of vegis a day. Always keep an artichoke and avacado around for snacks.

How do you cook and eat an artichoke?
Posted by: SquarePeg, Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 4:56pm; Reply: 25
My mom used to steam them.  Somehow before steaming, she managed to jam in a bit of stuffing among the leaves.  I think she used 4C Italian style bread crumbs.  We didn't have them often, so I assume it was a lot of work.

Then to eat one, you pluck off each leaf and (this is difficult to describe) scrap off the bottom 1/4 inch of each leaf (along with stuffing) with your teeth.  After all the big dark green leaves are off, you're left with a bunch of softer light green ones, which you might discard.  Then there's a hull left, which my father would eat whole, but I would need to scoop out the "hairs" before eating the rest.

It's very weird, now that I come to think about it.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 6:12pm; Reply: 26
place on a steamer or boil in water......
I love taking off the leaves one by one and dipping the edible part in a mixture of olive oil, lemon juice and spices!!

when I get to the heart, it s a whole treat, once you take off the tiny hair on the base......delicious!!
don t forget to have a glass of mineral water after.....the taste is indescribable!! ;)
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