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Posted by: 941 (Guest), Monday, June 11, 2007, 4:20pm
Hello!

I'm a Type O (don't know secretor status), I have began reading through ER4YT, and like the idea that the diets are individualized.  Makes more sense than other things I've read.  Being a RN with an undergrad in Natural Health I have had the opportunity of reading many many ideas for what the "correct" diet should be.  All of them having the one-size-fits-all approach.  

For the past two years, I have been a Pesco-Ovo-Lacto Vegetarian.  I have had trouble losing weight.  Despite the fact that I exercise 3-4 times a week, and eat plenty of fruits, vegetables, and soy products.  I'm about 10-15 lbs over weight.  I have started making the changes over to the BTD by cutting out dairy (sucks!), wheat (about 1/2 of what is in my kitchen), and introducing meat starting with chicken.  I am a little nervous about eating red meat on a regular basis.  I have a family history of coronary artery disease, and both grandfather's died from heart attacks.  My father is a Type 2 diabetic, and has elevated cholesterol, as do I.  I am only 29 with a cholesterol of 182 - on a vegetarian diet???  So you can imagine my anxiety with eating red meat.  Any ideas???  

Nice to meet all of you, by the way!
Shane
Posted by: Debra+, Monday, June 11, 2007, 5:11pm; Reply: 1
Hey Shane Girl...welcome to the forums and the BTD way of life.  As an O, it is not the lean red meat that gives us bad cholesterol but the grains and sugars. Vegetarian diet...been there done that.  I only lasted six months on it.  There are others on this forum who had been vegetarians for years (O's) and are now BTD hunter meat eaters. ;)  

The four main things (IMHO) to get rid of for we O's is the wheat, corn, dairy, pork and if you are a non-secretor especially the sugars.  Once you rid yourself of those the fine tuning comes in.  You have read Eat Right 4 Your Type.  I would get a hold of the Live Right 4 Your Type.  It will explain things alot better and more extensively.  Especially about secretor status and lifestyle and it is more up-to-date.   For your dad you can pick up the Diabetes 4 Your Type book which will help him out.   Good luck and keep us posted. :D

Debra :)
Posted by: Lola, Monday, June 11, 2007, 7:16pm; Reply: 2
O vegetarian
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivec/config.pl?read=121919


http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=GC,v=display,m=1152583838,s=0
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dr d
It is only my completely subjective opinion that many grain eating-vegetarian type O's are dopamine deficient, and perhaps because of this some tend be more introverted, others more angry or agitated.


http://www.dadamo.com/fao/smartfaq.cgi?answer=1072550006
O's and vegetarian and veganism and a thread you may like to look at is:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=lr4yt,m=1125103517,s=0

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dr d
Most of the vegetable proteins are not metabolized efficiently by type O, and some inhibit their proper functioning of the thyroid.
Posted by: mikeo, Monday, June 11, 2007, 7:33pm; Reply: 3
red meat (low fat, lean, preferably grass fed) meat for O's actually brings down your cholesterol levels and helps you absorb more calcium from food...this is due to an abundance of an enzyme called Alkaline Phosphatase that O's have which is a fat buster but it needs good quality protein like grass fed meat to activate

high amounts of grain based carbohydrates like wheat and milk products brings up cholesterol levels in O's

grains like wheat promote insulin resistance for O's

Just because you have family history of heart disease and diabetes does not mean you are doomed to get it...change the environment (what goes into your mouth) according to your unique Blood type physiology and you can keep the disease dormant
Posted by: Melissa_J, Monday, June 11, 2007, 9:00pm; Reply: 4
Mike is right.

My cholesterol, triglycerides and glucose levels improved significantly on the BTD...even when my blood was drawn after eating a large steak for lunch :D  I was eating according to the food pyramid before, little meat, some soy, lots of whole grains, with some calorie restrictions, but my weight was high, my cholesterol was about 214, triglycerides were about 185, and blood sugar was nearing pre-diabetes.  After being on BTD for a year or less, they were all back within perfect range, as was my weight.  When I went on the non-secretor diet in earnest, my HDL went up pretty significantly as well.

It's good to be an O, when you eat like an O.  ;)
Posted by: Lola, Monday, June 11, 2007, 11:10pm; Reply: 5
have you read the tutorial?
specially the last lesson thereof, on secretor status?
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/newbie/1.htm
Posted by: 941 (Guest), Tuesday, June 12, 2007, 1:46am; Reply: 6
Thanks to all of you for all the info & support!  This makes sense.  Type O's eating a lot of corn, wheat, dairy, and pork could explain the amount of diabetes and obesity in our country.  I could teach my patients a lot, if only nursing at my job had a voice!  

"...an abundance of an enzyme called Alkaline Phosphatase..."  I totally get it.  Thanks!  Alkaline Phosphatase does not interact well with foods that create an alkaline environment such as all of the above, right?

I suppose I should know my secretor status.  Thanks for the links & info, Debra, Lola, Mike & Melissa!  I'll keep you posted.

Peace and stuff!
Shane
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, June 12, 2007, 2:13am; Reply: 7
glad you landed here with the rest of us!
Posted by: accidental_chef, Tuesday, June 12, 2007, 2:32am; Reply: 8
Hi Shane!

Just a little something to share with you:
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=storybd,m=1169530318

You mentioned Pesco-Ovo-Lacto Vegetarian-what category of vegetarian is this, I'm curious!

Welcome aboard  :)
Posted by: 941 (Guest), Tuesday, June 12, 2007, 2:52am; Reply: 9
Quoted from accidental_chef
Hi Shane!

Just a little something to share with you:
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=storybd,m=1169530318

You mentioned Pesco-Ovo-Lacto Vegetarian-what category of vegetarian is this, I'm curious!

Welcome aboard  :)


Thanks for the link! Very cool!  

That category is Seafood, Eggs and Dairy.  Most vegetarians do not consider that a vegetarian.  It's basically everything except poultry and red meat.  I said that to more clearly reflect my diet for the last few years.  I don't take the title very seriously, and have consequently offended true vegetarians without meaning to.  I guess I was just a chick that didn't eat poultry or red meat.    

:D Shane
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, June 12, 2007, 3:13am; Reply: 10
the lacto part was not too good.....
Posted by: vandelam, Tuesday, June 12, 2007, 3:45am; Reply: 11
I, too, have been vegetarian. My cholesterol was borderline high when I was a vege and is now right in the middle range of normal.

I'm not sure who originally pointed it out but you will notice once you stick to the O diet that you actually eat more vegetables on the BTD than when you were a vege. Most vegetarians are starchitarians, eating a staple of pasta, rice and other grains, complemented by vegetables.

The O type plate tends to be over half full of veges (beautiful leafy greens like kale, spinach & broccoli) complemented by a nice piece of lovingly reared lean meat.

It may be tough at first but you will soon not miss the wheat & dairy. The benefits are just too good
Posted by: 941 (Guest), Tuesday, June 12, 2007, 11:57am; Reply: 12
Quoted from vandelam
I, too, have been vegetarian. My cholesterol was borderline high when I was a vege and is now right in the middle range of normal.

I'm not sure who originally pointed it out but you will notice once you stick to the O diet that you actually eat more vegetables on the BTD than when you were a vege. Most vegetarians are starchitarians, eating a staple of pasta, rice and other grains, complemented by vegetables.

The O type plate tends to be over half full of veges (beautiful leafy greens like kale, spinach & broccoli) complemented by a nice piece of lovingly reared lean meat.

It may be tough at first but you will soon not miss the wheat & dairy. The benefits are just too good



This is true, I ate a lot of pasta, cheese, breads, lots of soy...way too much sugar.  I knew that the bread and pasta should be cut down, but I felt like I couldn't eat anything else because I wasn't eating beef and poultry, and I was worried about eating too many eggs, and too much seafood, so that was minimal.  The past few nights we've had veggies, and either fish, chicken, or meat for dinner.  I felt less bloated that way....so...that's a start I guess.  Now I just need to buy organic, grass fed meat.
Posted by: 941 (Guest), Tuesday, June 12, 2007, 11:58am; Reply: 13
Quoted from lola
the lacto part was not too good.....


Not so good for personal relationships either!  HaHa!  ;D
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, June 12, 2007, 1:44pm; Reply: 14
;)
Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, June 13, 2007, 8:09pm; Reply: 15
Shane girl, you said an interesting thing....that IAP may not interact well with an alkaline environment such as from grains, etc. but my understanding is that grains are acid......? hmmmm, I wonder if someone can clarify.
Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, June 13, 2007, 8:11pm; Reply: 16
Shane girl, you said an interesting thing....that IAP may not interact well with an alkaline environment.........are grains alkaline? (you see I am trying to get the optimal acid/alkaline balance to address my arthritis.....) I just mean this is  an interesting subject....optimal balance...
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, June 13, 2007, 8:19pm; Reply: 17
jayneeo,
are you following the arthritis health series book?
you have all the balance you need in those guidelines.
Posted by: 941 (Guest), Wednesday, June 13, 2007, 11:22pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from jayneeo
Shane girl, you said an interesting thing....that IAP may not interact well with an alkaline environment.........are grains alkaline? (you see I am trying to get the optimal acid/alkaline balance to address my arthritis.....) I just mean this is  an interesting subject....optimal balance...


Jayneeo,

To be totally honest, I'm not real sure.  I am still reading ER4YT, and just began the change.  I understand that Type O has an increase in Alkaline Phosphatase, meant to break down meat, meat is acidic, so it would balance the alkaline, however, I'm not sure if grains are alkaline - maybe... that would make sense.  It doesn't seem like it's about the acid/alkaline balance as much as how certain lectins are metabolized in certain blood types.  With that statement, I was rephrasing something Mikeo has said....hmm...  anybody else know the answer to that question?

Shane

Posted by: geminisue, Thursday, June 14, 2007, 12:08am; Reply: 19
I found a place where they list alkaline and acid foods and have a good explanation what it is all about:

http://rense.com/1.mpicons/acidalka.htm

It takes 13 sheet of paper to copy all of it.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, June 14, 2007, 1:37am; Reply: 20
although not separated by blood type, right?

BTD has taken that balance into account........
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, June 14, 2007, 2:09am; Reply: 21
thank you geminisue, and also shanegirl....It is very interesting...there's so much science to it all. And yes to Lola, I am following the arthritis book, which tipped me off to the fact that I was perhaps eating more meat than needed, which i take to mean it could create too acidic an environment, however I realize that O's can be ok with a slightly more acidic condition....(thanks for your input!)
Posted by: 941 (Guest), Thursday, June 14, 2007, 11:03am; Reply: 22
Quoted from geminisue
I found a place where they list alkaline and acid foods and have a good explanation what it is all about:

http://rense.com/1.mpicons/acidalka.htm

It takes 13 sheet of paper to copy all of it.


Wow, cool list, geminisue!  It's funny, some beneficial foods for O are alkaline, some acidic, and visa versa.  So, it must break down even further than just acid/base balance.

Posted by: SheriBerry, Thursday, June 14, 2007, 1:06pm; Reply: 23
Hi Shanegirl!

I, too,  was a vegetarian   with  high cholesterol and and weight issues.. it just seemed so hard to keep my weight  stable..   My cholesterol was 243... and I was a marathon runner and vegetarian,  so it's not like I wasn't in shape!

Anyway, I've been on the BTD for about 3 or 4 years now... I eat  lots of veggies and small portions of meat.. and guess what?  when I had it checked this last winter it had gone  down to  below 150!  now that is amazing!!!  and my weight is MUCH more stable.. the only thing I have to watch is not being so heavy handed with the olive oil.. I tend to crave big  salads with some  ground beef and olive oil.. mm.. my favorite!   anyway, I eat beef at least once a day and sometimes twice..  and my cholesterol is fabulous... so weird!     but keep it up!  
Posted by: 941 (Guest), Friday, June 15, 2007, 12:33am; Reply: 24
Hey Sheri!

Awesome, thanks for sharing!!  It's nice to know I'm not the only exercising vegetarian with weight issues.  

I've been doing this for about a week.  I cut out wheat and dairy to start.  I think my meat portions, and olive oil are too large.  About what should the servings be for women?  Is a portion the size of your palm for meat?  A tbsp of of olive oil?  What about cooking with olive oil?

Shane   ;D
Posted by: Lola, Friday, June 15, 2007, 2:44am; Reply: 25
the frequency guidelines are given in the books....
which of the books have you read?
Posted by: 941 (Guest), Saturday, June 16, 2007, 12:09am; Reply: 26
Quoted from lola
the frequency guidelines are given in the books....
which of the books have you read?


I am almost finished with ER4RT.  I read the guidelines...I'm really more curious how people have made this easier, for themselves.  It's easy enough to follow a recipe step by step, or exactly measure oz for oz, while cooking...but this takes away the creative element.  I'm really curious how people make this fun, making it less task oriented, and more lifestyle.
Posted by: Drea, Saturday, June 16, 2007, 1:53am; Reply: 27
Well, I wouldn't say it's fun, but I made a spreadsheet with the bennies and super bennies for my type and I keep it on the fridge. It also includes the frequency and portion sizes. When I first started out, I did a similar thing with bennies on one side and avoids on the other and shrunk it small to put into my wallet. Shortly thereafter I found out that NAP sells similar cards.

I rarely measure, unless I'm baking, but I do try to keep within the frequency guidelines.
Posted by: 941 (Guest), Saturday, June 16, 2007, 7:02pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from outdoordrea
Well, I wouldn't say it's fun, but I made a spreadsheet with the bennies and super bennies for my type and I keep it on the fridge. It also includes the frequency and portion sizes. When I first started out, I did a similar thing with bennies on one side and avoids on the other and shrunk it small to put into my wallet. Shortly thereafter I found out that NAP sells similar cards.

I rarely measure, unless I'm baking, but I do try to keep within the frequency guidelines.


Good idea.  Thanks, Drea!  Nice quote by the way ;D
Posted by: 782 (Guest), Saturday, June 16, 2007, 7:07pm; Reply: 29
For what it's worth I first had high cholesterol after about a year of a nearly-vegetarian diet with very little fat, a long time ago.

It came down for awhile after I started thyroid meds.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, June 16, 2007, 8:14pm; Reply: 30
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I first had high cholesterol after about a year of a nearly-vegetarian diet with very little fat, a long time ago.


and lots of carbs to fill in the void, right?
Posted by: comper, Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 10:39pm; Reply: 31
Can a lot of potatoes increase cholesterol and cause diabetes in an O? My mom's friend, who is O+, says she has high cholesterol and is beginning to develop type 2 diabetes. I asked what she was eating a lot of, and she said it was all the steaks that her doc said was making her cholesterol so high. Then I found out she likes to eat potatoes a whole lot, too. I think it is not good, since she quit the steaks and is staying on the potatoes. Also, for her diabetes she said she was advised to eat cherries and blueberries, for which I should have told her, prunes and pineapple. She was also eating almonds to help diabetes, do doctors tell them that, does it somewhat work? I told her walnuts preferred to almonds. But my main wonder......potatoes, should I tell her to go back to steaks and quit the potatoes? I even asked about wheat and corn, and said she doesn't eat those anyway.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 11:27pm; Reply: 32
that would be wise, yes.
but since her Dr already told her about the meat and all, she might think you are a bit off, don t you think?
those potatoes already have a hold on her!! lol
Posted by: comper, Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 11:44pm; Reply: 33
so, you believe they are the potatoes? being a tier 2 avoid can still have such harmful effects?
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, July 5, 2007, 12:42am; Reply: 34
yes cause she does have considerable health issues.
remember tier II avoids are for those with no health issues at all.....
Posted by: 941 (Guest), Thursday, July 5, 2007, 11:48am; Reply: 35
I keep seeing mention of the Tier level avoids...is the in ER4YT?  I'm still reading it.  
Posted by: accidental_chef, Thursday, July 5, 2007, 12:48pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from Shane
I keep seeing mention of the Tier level avoids...is the in ER4YT?  I'm still reading it.  


It's in the Live Right 4 Your Type, where secretor status is discussed in detail with food categories to suit the various types and subtypes.

Posted by: 782 (Guest), Thursday, July 5, 2007, 3:07pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from lola


and lots of carbs to fill in the void, right?



Actually, very little except salads... quite low calorie. Not much grains or even starches at all.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, July 5, 2007, 3:15pm; Reply: 38
tell us what your diet consisted of........
sounds interesting.
you must have also been low in essential fats.
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, July 5, 2007, 5:03pm; Reply: 39
well if you didn't eat meat or fat or carbs.....wow, salads. that would be a bit too low in calories I would think. But, add some meat and it would be great.
As for the potatoeatin gal.....some O's can eat them and some can't....I guess she can't. Better choice, sweet potato!!!Yes, it is lower glycemic index! Yay....for sweet potatoes.
Posted by: 941 (Guest), Thursday, July 5, 2007, 11:25pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from accidental_chef


It's in the Live Right 4 Your Type, where secretor status is discussed in detail with food categories to suit the various types and subtypes.



I see!  I should read that book also.
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