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Posted by: mikeo, Friday, May 25, 2007, 7:51pm
Well my mitochondrial results are in and I am part of a very high frequency Haplogroup H which makes up 50% of the European population. In Rome and Athens about 40%. Turkey 25% and 20% in the Caucasus Mountains. This Haplogroup came out of the last Ice Age 15 to 20 thousand years ago forcing peoples to warmer climates in Iberia(Spain), Italy and the Balkans, When the ice sheets retreated they began populating western Europe and Northern Europe. it is also found much further east in Southeast Asia...about 20% and Central Asia..about 15% and about 5% in Northern Asia. In Central and East Asia it's age is estimated around 30,000 years ago.

here are my royal aristocratic ancient Haplogroup relatives...

Marie Antoinette, and her matrilineal ancestors back to Bertha von Putelendorf (died 1190), were of haplogroup H. If all pedigrees are assumed correct, the following other matrilineal relatives of Marie Antoinette were of haplogroup H: Maria Theresa of Austria, Marie-Louise of Austria (second wife of Napoleon Bonaparte), Peter II of Russia, Pedro II of Brazil, Philip III, Duke of Burgundy, Leopold II of Belgium, Frederick William II of Prussia, Ferdinand I of Bulgaria, Victor Emmanuel II of Italy, August III the Saxon, and Stanisław August Poniatowski. [2]

[edit] Empress Alexandra Fyodorovna

'Among other famous members of group H are Empress Alexandra Fyodorovna, wife of the last Russian tsar Nicholas II, and all of her children. Their membership in haplogroup H was established when genetic testing was done on their remains to authenticate their identity.



I belong to the Clan of Helena (read The Seven Daughters Of Eve)

read on here for the Clan of Helena

http://www.olypen.com/amelia/helena/


Next is to find out my Y chromosome haplogroup

Want more info on this stuff go to

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html


Posted by: Lola, Friday, May 25, 2007, 8:02pm; Reply: 1
excellent!
sure sounds facinating!!
what about Maximilian of Habsburg, who became emperor of Mexico for a very short break?

he must have spread his royal H seeds among our native Mexican muchachas, right?
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Friday, May 25, 2007, 8:19pm; Reply: 2
(dance)(clap)(smarty)(whistle) wow Mike, as being a *sechi* you seem like Peter to have advanced into "royalness".....to make this test more appreciable, everybody might be one of the royals.....huh??) ;) ;D......

omG...forgot to do mine :-/ :B :X ......last time when Peter got me by my legs, I'd like to do that immediately but my menopsykissed brain just forgot its duty ::) :B  :o

ok...I am going for it in the next few days.....what else might be possible in such a
profiling upperclass??) (smarty)(think) 8)
Posted by: mikeo, Friday, May 25, 2007, 8:20pm; Reply: 3
Quoted from lola
excellent!
he must have spread his royal H seeds among our native Mexican muchachas, right?


you might be an ancestor of one of them

Victor Emmanuel II of Italy will be of special interest to my mom since she was born in Italy
Posted by: Lola, Friday, May 25, 2007, 9:15pm; Reply: 4
;)
Posted by: Don, Friday, May 25, 2007, 10:45pm; Reply: 5
Any particular reason you started with your mitochondrial DNA results?

Do you plan to get the results for your Y DNA at some point in the future?
Posted by: mikeo, Friday, May 25, 2007, 11:17pm; Reply: 6
Y is next...wills send away for the test next month

I did the Mito DNA because mitochondria Eve (150,000 years)  is traced back farther then  Y chromosome Adam (90,000 years)
Posted by: Ben_Lamers (Guest), Saturday, May 26, 2007, 2:58am; Reply: 7
oh that's cool i want to know mine ;)
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Saturday, May 26, 2007, 6:19am; Reply: 8
Yes it is cool
- and especially for you guys that can get information from both sides...
My sister and I thought about getting the test done- and share the expenses- we guess it will be fine with just one of us taking the test- same parents...
Posted by: accidental_chef, Saturday, May 26, 2007, 7:36am; Reply: 9
How fascinating!

I'm still walking around feeling smug knowing my secretor status :K)...and then comes Lola's amazing post and now yours, wow! If the facilities were available here I would get tested too.

Amazing stuff on the links as well. Thanks for posting Mikeo :)
Posted by: Don, Saturday, May 26, 2007, 3:13pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Henriette_Bsec
Yes it is cool
- and especially for you guys that can get information from both sides...
My sister and I thought about getting the test done- and share the expenses- we guess it will be fine with just one of us taking the test- same parents...

If your father is still alive you could get his Y-DNA tested and that would be just as useful as if you were male and getting your own Y-DNA tested.

Posted by: RedLilac, Saturday, May 26, 2007, 4:56pm; Reply: 11
Is is interesting.  I might think about doing it.  Thanks for sharing.
Posted by: Kristin, Saturday, May 26, 2007, 5:24pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from ironwood55

If your father is still alive you could get his Y-DNA tested and that would be just as useful as if you were male and getting your own Y-DNA tested.



I've thought of doing that too, Don... although I am more interested in knowing my father's maternal line as we have records of his genealogy through his mother and would be interesting to take that back beyond written records. But... not sure if my father would be a willing subject.

Perhaps one of my brothers will provide for the y side of the family...  ;)
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, May 26, 2007, 5:30pm; Reply: 13
AC,
I agree with you!
there s so much to learn on our genetics and unique individuality!
Posted by: shoulderblade, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 12:44am; Reply: 14
I have run into a little snag with this project that perhaps someone reading the thread may be able to help me with.

My sister and I thought we would go 50-50 on this to get both sides of our genome. She has got her results back already and send me the code to look at the material. However when I put in the code I am informed that the data base does not recognize the code so I am out of luck. She seems to think that perhaps it can only be reached via her computer.

Any ideas? Thanks.
Posted by: geminisue, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 1:44am; Reply: 15
ShoulderBlade- Can't she make a copy & paste it in a e-mail to you ?
Posted by: mikeo, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 3:22am; Reply: 16
she can print the outcome as a PDF from the web site and email it to you
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 6:55am; Reply: 17
Quoted from ironwood55

If your father is still alive you could get his Y-DNA tested and that would be just as useful as if you were male and getting your own Y-DNA tested.


True - but sadly my dad died 2,5 years ago...
My farthers brothers are old- and would not at all understand my request for a test...
It is sad since they have so  interesting nationalities in their blood- jewish and belarus, ukraine...I know this is not the same as the haplo group but sure interesting still.
I know I´ve got my B ness from my parternal grandmother
- my mums family seems to be all O´s.... all the way....

So I´ll guess we just do the female part -
could be fun as well to see if our  ancient mother came from scandinavia or the middle east or ?

Guess this will be my b-day gift for myself this summer...
Posted by: geminisue, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 9:55am; Reply: 18
Henrietta- couldn't you just get the test and go to a older brother of his and say I want to get a special gift I will be able to share with the rest of your family, all I need to do it rub this on the inside of your cheek and if he refuses you can do the female side, or try another brother.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 11:05am; Reply: 19
Quoted from geminisue
Henrietta- couldn't you just get the test and go to a older brother of his and say I want to get a special gift I will be able to share with the rest of your family, all I need to do it rub this on the inside of your cheek and if he refuses you can do the female side, or try another brother.


Maybe ?!
I havn´t got much contact with them....
I think we will just start with my mums side :-D
Posted by: shoulderblade, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 5:48pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from mikeo
she can print the outcome as a PDF from the web site and email it to you


Quoted from geminisue
ShoulderBlade- Can't she make a copy & paste it in a e-mail to you?


Thanks. I sent her an e-mail suggesting such but have not heard back yet. Got an original e-mail with a commentary on the material but was then unable to access anything. Will put this together eventually although not as easily as it would seem.

Posted by: Susana, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 9:32pm; Reply: 21
My father got his Ychromosome (which goes from father to son) and he is haplogroup R1b.

Which means part of me is very O.

This Haplogroup reaches back to 60,000 years to the first commonmarker of all non-African men. They started off in Etiopia- Kenia region.

70% of men from southern England, and 90% of Spain and Ireland have this haplogroup. This data makes me believe I am even more "O" (hunter-gatherer) since all my grandparents come from Spain. Perhaps one other of my grandparents has the same haplogroup.

Mike, how did you get info on all your aristocratic ancestors? Did you do the test with National Geographic?

This is fun. I just hope it does not mean less grains in the genotype diet. :-/

:K)
Posted by: mikeo, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 11:33pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from Susana
Mike, how did you get info on all your aristocratic ancestors? Did you do the test with National Geographic?

This is fun. I just hope it does not mean less grains in the genotype diet. :-/

:K)


If you jsut do a search on the haplogroup in google you will get all these haplogroup sites pop up and some of them have some famous faces to put to the group

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, May 28, 2007, 7:26am; Reply: 23
educational stuffs should go as a sticky..??) ;D :K)
Posted by: Debra+, Monday, May 28, 2007, 1:02pm; Reply: 24
Sticky it is. ;)

Debra :)
Posted by: Susana, Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 8:44pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from shoulderblade
She has got her results back already and send me the code to look at the material. However when I put in the code I am informed that the data base does not recognize the code so I am out of luck.
Any ideas? Thanks.


Check the code.

I enter my father's code with National Geographic. We use a different computer 3000 kms appart.

Hope it helps. Good luck.

:K)

Posted by: Susana, Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 8:48pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from mikeo


If you jsut do a search on the haplogroup in google you will get all these haplogroup sites pop up and some of them have some famous faces to put to the group

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic


Ooops! read the advice, went to execute, and had so much fun I forgot to return and thank you.  :B

Thanks Mike. :K) Unfortunately my fathers haplogroup is so common no famous person wants to be mentioned ;D.

:K)

Posted by: mikeo, Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 9:18pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from Susana


Ooops! read the advice, went to execute, and had so much fun I forgot to return and thank you.  :B

Thanks Mike. :K) Unfortunately my fathers haplogroup is so common no famous person wants to be mentioned ;D.

:K)



which haplogroup is that?
Posted by: Susana, Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 9:27pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from mikeo


which haplogroup is that?


R1b
Posted by: mikeo, Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 9:31pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from Susana


R1b


that's a pretty old Y haplogroup...They were the contemporaries of the European Neanderthals.
Posted by: Susana, Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 9:41pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from mikeo


that's a pretty old Y haplogroup...They were the contemporaries of the European Neanderthals.


“Your ancestors’ arrival in Europe heralded the end of the era of The Neandertals a hominid species that inhabited Europe and parts of Western Asia from about 29,000 to 230,000 years ago. Better communication skills, weapons, and resourcefulness probably enabled your ancestors to outcompete Neandertals for scarce resources.”

“You are a direct decendant of the people that dominated the human expansion into Europe, the Cro-Magnon.”

National Geographic on R1b.

Supposedly they were a very large group and that is why the group survived. Matter of odds I guess.

:K)
Posted by: shoulderblade, Thursday, May 31, 2007, 6:03pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from Susana


Check the code.



:K)



Am doing for the second time. She is talking about printing it out and leaving it in my mailbox ??), not quite the same thing.

She also mentions that she thinks her DNA is 'incomplete'. Any idea what that could mean?

Posted by: Susana, Thursday, May 31, 2007, 8:28pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from shoulderblade

She also mentions that she thinks her DNA is 'incomplete'. Any idea what that could mean?


Did she use National Geographic? When my father ordered his, there was a message after 5 weeks saying that the research was incomplete they needed to verify. With that comment they did not provide any further info.

National geographic did not post any info until it was complete and had passed quality control. It took them 7 weeks, 2 more than normal.

I could get into NG an read the "Non-complete" message. Ei, I was able to get into my father's project from the very beginning.

I hope you can get it in your computer. Definitely better than a print out.

Best wishes,

:K)
Posted by: shoulderblade, Saturday, June 2, 2007, 12:16am; Reply: 33
OK. Finally after 2 double checks I got the correct code for National Geographic. The mitochrondial side is haplogroup H ( see post #1 for review ). I think my sister is going to drop off some printed stuff anyway so I'll se if I can pinpoint the 'incomplete' status.
Posted by: Susana, Saturday, June 2, 2007, 9:28am; Reply: 34
Quoted from shoulderblade
OK. Finally after 2 double checks I got the correct code for National Geographic. The mitochrondial side is haplogroup H ( see post #1 for review ). I think my sister is going to drop off some printed stuff anyway so I'll se if I can pinpoint the 'incomplete' status.


Congratulations! Finally.

So you are related to Mikeo. Interesting you both come from Canada.

:K)
Posted by: shoulderblade, Saturday, June 2, 2007, 8:18pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from Susana


Congratulations! Finally.

So you are related to Mikeo. Interesting you both come from Canada.

:K)


Not a surprise really. The original settlers in Canada were the French, English, Scots and the United Empire Loyalists from the US who I assume were mostly English. Given this set of origins and the flow arrows for type H I think type H would be a major factor in the population of Canada.

Fact is that my mothers family were originally German and came to Canada via Ireland so even later settlers could be of the same stock. There is a personal intrest in this material but it also has a historical relevance.

Must get my fathers side done. Came from England, near Birmingham, and may be the same group.

Posted by: Ribbit, Sunday, June 3, 2007, 3:49am; Reply: 36
(this is from Ribbit's husband, who has a PhD in genetics and has published papers on mitochondirlal DNA and how it relates to human ancestry)

First, let us be careful with the conclusions being drawn. I noticed one comment that mentioned the "famous ancestors" in the original post on this thread. Those are not ancestors, but relatives - distant relatives. Since about 40% of the European population is hapotype H, one would expect to be related to about 40% of all the famous Europeans who have ever lived. Also, this haplotype existed before Europeans came to Europe, and thus is found far and wide. Therefore, since this haplotype arose prior to the spreading out of the world's population, anyone of haplotype H is only slightly more closely ralated to these famous people than they would be to, say, Noah. One wonders what the big deal is. Don't get me wrong, I am a genealogist as well as a geneticist and I love the fact that my mother's mother's mother's mother came from the Frisian Islands (i.e., my mitochondria are of Viking stock), but we are related to ALL people who are alive today, and therefore is is only people in my direct ancestral line that are really "kin."

Second, the Seven Daughters of Eve hypothesis is quite controversial (many geneticists think that it is hyped up in order to draw in more dollars). So let us be extremely careful about drawing conclusions about where a person comes from based on the results of this author's work. There are actually three main mitochondrial haplotypes found throughout the entire world (haplotype H is a major branch of one of these lines). And, while it is true that there are several major mithochondrial lines that make up the bulk of the ancestral European population, the actual number of ancestresses (e.g., "seven") is very hard to determine. That being said, however, I still like knowing to which clade I belong, I just don't care to lump myself in with one of these mythological seven women. The reader is free to do as he or she likes, however, and I can see why one would enjoy dreaming about their ancestral clan.

The many sub-haplotypes of the three main mitochondrial lineages make up the bulk of the world's population. There are many additional lineages found in Africa, but these are exceptions according to a new paper in Nucleic Acids Research (This is a free access journal and can be found with a simple Google search. I think the author's name was Carter - good stuff for those with inquisitive minds. I'll post the URL if someone asks).



The reminder of this post is designed to be an enjoyable intellectual exercise. While I write specifically to challenge the assumptions behind some of what has been written in this thread, as I did above, the reader is free to take exception to anything written.

Regarding the differences between mitochondrial and Y chromosome ages. All dates reported for the most recent mitochondrial and Y chromosome common ancestor are estimates that are based on models with MANY unknown or assumed parameters, and most of the assumptions have been disproven in the scientific literature (see the Carter reference above). Therefore all bets are off regarding the truth behind any of those numbers. In fact, the models are in such disarray that one could easily interpret the data as supporting the Noah's Flood/Tower of Babel stories:

A short list of factors supporting the Flood/Babel story
- the differences between the times to the most recent common ancestor of Y, X, and mtDNA
- the geographic specificity of Y chromomes
- the wider distribution of mitochondrial lineages
- the lack of diversity of Y chromosomes worldwide
- the much larger diversity of X chromosomes
- the existence of three main worldwide mitochondrial lineages
- etc. etc.

According to the biblical data, there was but one Y chromosome on the Ark (Noah's). There were three mitochondrial lineages (his three daughtes-in-law, assuming Noah and his wife had no daughters after the Flood). And there were up to 9 X chromosomes (depending on how closely related the women were to each other and to the men). The initial post-Flood population was cohesive (freely mixing), but was sundered according to paternal lineage at Babel, about five generations after the Flood. This division, coupled to the sudden spreading out of the population, would have created the geographic pattern of Y, X, and mitochondrial haplotypes that we see today.

Current theory (and there is much data to support this independent of any computer model) indicates that there was but a single worldwide dispersion of modern humans, emanating from the Middle East, travelling in small groups, moving into previously uninhabited territory, in the "recent" past. Africa is a special case that does not fit ANY model (see Carter again - note that I am quoting an evolutionary journal to back up non-evolutionary ideas). This dispersion, coupled to the genetic parameters outlined in the previous paragraph, support the biblical model very strongly.

Therefore, those of you who are not evolutionists, take heart. Those of you who are nominally evolutionists, take a second look. And those of you who are completey at odds with what I have stated, take note - there is a very strong alternative.

Again, this was meant as an intellectual exercise only. Hopefully most people will see that this was written in a spirit of humility. I do not claim to know much, but I believe everything stated above is factual, theoretically plausible, and philosophically sound. Do with it as you please.

- Ribbet's husband
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, June 3, 2007, 5:25am; Reply: 37
thanks for sharing with us this very interesting paragraph, RH!!

looking forward to more of your insight!
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Sunday, June 3, 2007, 10:07am; Reply: 38
Thanks R H
very interesting...
Posted by: Susana, Sunday, June 3, 2007, 10:10pm; Reply: 39
Thanks RH for a super beneficial food for thought ;D

I hope you are all very well and enjoing the new addition to the family. What a blessing!

:K)
Posted by: mikeo, Wednesday, June 6, 2007, 5:35pm; Reply: 40

"Second, the Seven Daughters of Eve hypothesis is quite controversial"
- Ribbet's husband[/quote]

and the Babel/Flood story/hypothesis is not?
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, June 11, 2007, 2:20am; Reply: 41
I passed this on to him verbally and he laughed and said, "Of course it's controversial.  That's the whole point.  Both ideas are controversial.  Take your pick as to which you're going to put your faith in--something people (including many scientists) have believed in for thousands of years, or a recent idea that many scientists say is totally made up."
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