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Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Tuesday, May 22, 2007, 12:54am
At this past weekend's IfHI Conference, I had a chance to talk to Dr. D (what a truly amazing experience that whole thing was), and he answered several very important questions that had been on my mind for awhile.

However, I do have one other question, and I'm wondering if anyone here knows if there's an answer:  

Are there any supplements or substances that we non-secretors could take, that might actually induce some appreciable levels of secretion in us?

In my mind, this really is a huge question.
Posted by: CB, Tuesday, May 22, 2007, 1:42am; Reply: 1
Hello Ronnie-O-Nonnie, good to have a face to put with a name.  I would think we just look for those food items that have an A or A like antigen.  Can't think of what they are right now as I sleep deprived.  What questions did the dear Dr. answer for you, maybe we can all learn.  Take care and great to meet you.  CB.
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Tuesday, May 22, 2007, 5:45am; Reply: 2
CB,

Heyyyyyy!  Long time, no see!  (Great to see you again...)

So, okay; here ya go...

I asked Dr. D if there was anything that non-secretors could possibly take to increase their production of intestinal alkaline phosphatase (IAP), and he said this:

"phenylalanine".

There ya go.  One word, packed with enormous value.  (That's classic Dr. D... He doesn't muck about; he gets right to it.)

So, I stopped by Whole Foods and picked up a bottle.  Well, that was yesterday and, already, I'm noticing a difference.  I'm not feeling nearly so inflamed and reactive to foods as I was before.  It helps a lot.

Now, the question remains if there's something that might induce secretion of blood type antigen, or if Deflect essentially accomplishes the same thing.  After all, it puts the terminal BT antigen sugar out into the system.

My understanding is that, for A's, red marine algae might be high in the A antigen, n-acetyl galactosamine.  But, then again, A-Deflect has an analogous sugar, n-acetyl glucosamine, in it.  I've also noticed that this same compound is in the O-Deflect.  I wonder why...
Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Tuesday, May 22, 2007, 6:30am; Reply: 3
Hi Ron,
N acetil glucosamine protects you from wheat lectins as gluten and gliadins  binding to them.
Probably also bromeline in pineapple breaks down them in a useful way for celiacs and Os !
As a celiac I feel benefits with Deflect and pineapple if some wheat slips in my diet.
Have a good day
Maria Giovanna
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, May 22, 2007, 9:29am; Reply: 4
::) phenylalanine is every time a double sword :o...why,,,sometimes we don't even know that we might have a genetically related issue called phenylketonury....I tested this mostly in A'types and then.....how it could be different, mostly of em were nonnies!!!! And sorry this sickness is not that rare as we are thinking.....:-/
and if I remember it's ok for O's but then *dad's it* ;) .D....and it works also greatly for depressions....
thatswhy I am asking myselve why is in the menopausal book yams ok for us, but it contains largest mounts of that stuff :-/ ??)

I think that mostly all kinds of getting *reactions or actions* done...augmented etc...relates to your
autonomous nervesystem......and here you can go for phosphorlipids in EPA-forms to get things balanced.... here you are going to find you partial psychograms as well, depends if you are vagotonic or its oposite......;) but this might  change during your lifetime :D
and think about...almost all kinds of supps. have to pass by the stomach, sauf if they are enteric coated, so it will be solved into the small intestine.... but the others have to shrink their volume of capacities by the first pass effect from the liver...... so :-/.....



p.s.
forgot...sorry there are also some neurotropic stuffs...perhaps here you might find something relevant??)  8)
Posted by: CB, Tuesday, May 22, 2007, 10:10am; Reply: 5
Is n-acetyl-glucosamine analagous to n-acetyl-galactosamine?  Thx for the heads up on the IAP.  Being a non-secretor and an LDN puts me a more risk.  By the way, I was looking more for foods.  I wonder what foods contain phenylalanine?  P.S.  Did you get in the 'nonnie picture?  Take care.  CB
Posted by: CB, Tuesday, May 22, 2007, 10:13am; Reply: 6
Deflect will do 2 things.  One, it behaves as a sacrificial molecule to attract the things that are attracted to you that you don't want to be and, two,  repairs the intestinal tract.  Of all the supplements out there, this is one that is so valuable to me, I'd never want to be without it, but then I'm several years your seniour.  Take care.  CB.
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Tuesday, May 22, 2007, 11:07am; Reply: 7
Maria and Tomatilla,

Thanks for the info...


CB:  No, I missed the nonnie picture.  I had wanted to be in it, but I was running around trying to figure out how to get Erika my essays for the fellow test, because the road crew outside my hotel picked that weekend to cut the wireless internet lines, so I was stumped for a way to email the essays to her.  I don't like to write by hand, when I can type.

Also, you don't look your age.  That's a good thing.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Wednesday, May 23, 2007, 4:51pm; Reply: 8
äääääh what do you mean with that ??) ;) ;D....huh......
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, May 23, 2007, 8:15pm; Reply: 9
lecithin contains phenylalanine....
n-acetyl-glucosamine is one thing......great replacement for chondroitin for
Os and Bs...a lectin binding sugar......Deflect for example....
and D galactosamine is part of the B antigen...
N A galactosamine is part of the A antigen.......
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Wednesday, May 23, 2007, 8:19pm; Reply: 10
Lola,

I didn't know that.  Thanks.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, May 23, 2007, 8:26pm; Reply: 11
;)
Posted by: mikeo, Wednesday, May 23, 2007, 8:26pm; Reply: 12
chondroitin's main sugar is N acetyl Galactosomine...very good for A's
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, May 23, 2007, 11:10pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Maria_Giovanna
Hi Ron,
N acetil glucosamine protects you from wheat lectins as gluten and gliadins  binding to them.

N-Acetyl Glucosamine does not bind with gluten and glaidins. It does bind to the wheat lectin WGA.

Quoted from Celiac Disease (Sprue), ABO and Secretor Blood Types
http://dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Haplogroup_V_(mtDNA)/Lectins/Celiac_Disease_(Sprue),_ABO_and_Secretor_Blood_Types
The 'lectin connection' has been extensively studied in celiac disease, though the results are mixed and inconclusive. I suppose the reader is wondering if type O gets more celiac that the other types, especially since I preach that they should minimize wheat, a food known to be intimately associated with celiac. While there is one study in the literature (6) I've personally found that celiac seems to effect all types about equally, though perhaps for different reasons. Part of the reason seems to be that gliandin, the perpetrator here, is different from wheat germ lectin, the major everyday problem for type O's. For example, studies have reported no ability to bind gliandin or gluten with N-acetyl glucosamine (NAG) the sugar which so handily binds the wheat germ agglutinin (WGA) lectin (7).

This is not to say that gluten doen't appear to be somewhat lectin-like in its own right: Its just not the wheat germ agglutinin (WGA) lectin. Yet gluten has been shown to bind to carbohydrate rich tissues much like a lectin, and to a degree, much like a lectin, gluten can even be inhibited by a specific sugar, alpha-D-mannose. Curiously, many intestinal influenza viruses bind to alpha-D-mannose as well. This perhaps explains the wisdom as pointed out by Freed of the traditional naturopathic wisdom in recommending that a patient fast during gastrointestinal 'flus. In addition to bugs, the lectin from the plant Snowdrop (Galanthus nivalis), which is being used to genetically alter foods also binds alpha-d-mannose.
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, May 23, 2007, 11:16pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Ronagon
I asked Dr. D if there was anything that non-secretors could possibly take to increase their production of intestinal alkaline phosphatase (IAP), and he said this:

"phenylalanine".

There ya go.  One word, packed with enormous value.  (That's classic Dr. D... He doesn't muck about; he gets right to it.)

So, I stopped by Whole Foods and picked up a bottle.  Well, that was yesterday and, already, I'm noticing a difference.  I'm not feeling nearly so inflamed and reactive to foods as I was before.  It helps a lot.

Are you sure you heard right?
Quoted from LR4YT page 209
Yams are typically high in the amino acid phenylalanine, which inactivates the fat-busting enzyme IAP (already quite low in Type As) and should be minimized or avoided completely.

Posted by: Don, Wednesday, May 23, 2007, 11:18pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from Intestinal Alkaline Phosphatase (IAP)
http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Intestinal_Alkaline_Phosphatase_(IAP)
It is inhibited by L-phenylalanine
Posted by: Drea, Thursday, May 24, 2007, 12:09am; Reply: 16
Quoted from Ronagon
Are there any supplements or substances that we non-secretors could take, that might actually induce some appreciable levels of secretion in us?

In my mind, this really is a huge question.

Ron-O-Non, what would 'some appreciable levels of secretion' do for O-nonnies? Curiousity won out.

Posted by: CB, Thursday, May 24, 2007, 12:19am; Reply: 17
Whoa MoDon, how was your trip back.  Very good to meet you and be back among non-secretors.  It seems to me, there were may more O non-secretors than others at the conference this year.  Take care.  CB
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Thursday, May 24, 2007, 1:12am; Reply: 18
Quoted Text
Quoted from Intestinal Alkaline Phosphatase (IAP)
http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wik.....lkaline_Phosphatase_(IAP)
It is inhibited by L-phenylalanine


Hmmm.  Thanks for that link.  I just read that, too.

I don't know why he would have told me that, then.
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Thursday, May 24, 2007, 1:14am; Reply: 19
Quoted Text
Ron-O-Non, what would 'some appreciable levels of secretion' do for O-nonnies? Curiousity won out.


How would I know?  I'm not a doctor.
Posted by: shells, Thursday, May 24, 2007, 2:42am; Reply: 20
It would personally help me with calcium absorption (which is too low according to blood tests  :( ) and would help with my always too high cholesterol    ::)
Posted by: Drea, Thursday, May 24, 2007, 3:58am; Reply: 21
Quoted from Ronagon


How would I know?  I'm not a doctor.


You were theone who posted the question; just thought you had some idea.
Posted by: purlgirl, Thursday, May 24, 2007, 8:00am; Reply: 22
Man O Man - you have my head spinning. This Question has been forming in my head for awhile:

from Rom O Non:
"Are there any supplements or substances that we non-secretors could take, that might actually induce some appreciable levels of secretion in us?"


Bottom line--- Secretor/nonsecretor.  
Are we nonnies broken and can we be fixed?
How can we get our immune systems to work as well as the secretor's do?
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from Drea: "Ron-O-Non, what would 'some appreciable levels of secretion' do for O-nonnies? Curiousity won out."
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Think about it: You (secretors) get stuck by a rose thorn (or something else)  and it's uncomfortable = We get stuck and we baloones= huge reaction.  My first experience with  Poison Oak landed me in the  hospitol bc I'm allergic. ***Why doesn't my body fight for me like yours does? Why isn't my immune available (literally) at my fingertips like yours is (rather than just in the blood)? Is there a way to make my immune fluids more available? Am I broken - can I be fixed?

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Just my brain trying to figure it out. Wish there was an easy answer. Each of us wants to do all we can to improve our health. If there is a way to kick  the immune fluids into action I want to know too.
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Ron O Non  - am I at least in the same book if not on the same page?
Posted by: CB, Thursday, May 24, 2007, 10:01am; Reply: 23
I view the non-secretor as coming straight from the Garden of Eden where we didn't need so much immunity.  We simply need to be more vigilant.  I know what you mean and I assume the others do as well about seemingly having a harder a time of it although the more compliant one is to diet, the better time of it.  With regard to allergic reactions, secretors can also have some pretty severe ones.  Take care.  CB
Posted by: Don, Thursday, May 24, 2007, 1:07pm; Reply: 24
I would think that taking the correct Deflect would be very beneficial for non-secretors and partially act like normal secretions by providing sacrificial sugar molecules similar to the blood type antigen to bind with things in the digestive tract that might otherwise get absorbed.
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, May 24, 2007, 5:26pm; Reply: 25
One of the ways I am trying to minimize the risk is that I don't eat any avoids, ever, never!  The less we stress our bodies with non-essentials, the more our bodies can function quickly and appropriately to threats.  I strongly believe that non-secretors have no business eating avoids unless a person is wanting to lose their good health.

Another thing that I believe is very important for non-secretors is to be in bed by 10 pm at the lastest.  Even if we can be in bed by 9 or 9:30 pm, it would be better, because it takes a while before the body is deeply asleep.  There are a cascade of hormonal outputs that require a certain number of hours of being asleep before they begin, and we need darkness in order for that process to work naturally.  I suppose it might be possible to completely retrain our biological clock, but it's a gamble.  And, of course, sleeping in a dark room will help to make these healing hours possible.

If we don't have any soldiers at the gate, then I at least want to have a well trained, effective and powerful army inside the castle walls!
Posted by: purlgirl, Thursday, May 24, 2007, 10:23pm; Reply: 26
CB, MoDon, & Victoria
thank you for your thoughts. I printed my question and your replies. All good.
I'll reread them when I get frustrated.
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Saturday, May 26, 2007, 6:44am; Reply: 27
Victoria,

You're right about getting a LOT of sleep.  That's one thing I definitely need.  I find that I can't even go out at night any more, because staying out late slows my metabolism to a crawl.

Right now I'm really, really struggling with my weight.  I just can't seem to lower my body fat and get rid of this thick, hard gut I've developed.  It's like there's this solid mass inside my lower abdomen and it just pushes everything outward.  

My suspicions are that years of inflammation have probably created a massively hypertrophic colon, what with all the polyamines that have no doubt been created over the years, from decades of ignorance of what to eat and what not to eat.
Posted by: CB, Saturday, May 26, 2007, 12:14pm; Reply: 28
Ronnie-o-nonnie, if you haven't tried Deflect, you might consider it.  I've taken it for  years.  Are you following strict O diet including portions?  Also look in Live Right for the section on polyamines.  Off the top, I'm thinking of walnuts, blueberries and onions, but that's for type A.  Keep things moving thru the intestinal tract.  Dr. Ds suggestion on fiber (ARA) is also excellent and I've tried various and sundry types.  Take care.  CB
Posted by: CB, Saturday, May 26, 2007, 12:16pm; Reply: 29
As to sleep, I'm with you Ronnie and Victoria, not getting enough rest absolutely wipes me out.  Others seems to be able to adjust, but I might as well forget it until I'm rested.  I learned that in my 20s fortunately.  Take care.  CB.
Posted by: Dr. D, Saturday, May 26, 2007, 12:31pm; Reply: 30
Paradoxically, although phenylalanine inhibits IAP, it also induces further production of IAP. Since non-secretors don't make very much to inhibit, the amount induced is more significant, since by the time the IAP is produced, the amino acid is long gone. I think vitamin A does that as well. At one point I was going to put it into the Phytocal minerals, but like Isa said, you can't give it to everybody.

For the more technically inclined, phenylalanine is called an 'uncompetitive inhibitor'. It only works when the concentrations of the enzyme substrate (IAP and some fat in this case) is high. On the other hand, the presence of phenylalanine and fat (but minus the IAP) seems to induce some production of IAP.
Posted by: CB, Saturday, May 26, 2007, 1:39pm; Reply: 31
Thank you Dr. D'Adamo.  I wonder, do we know how long after ingesting the phenylalanine, the IAP is produced?  Does it make a difference.  So Ronnie-o-nonnie, I'm going for it with some fat (oil).  Will let you know my results.  I have found on most things, a little goes a long way, but don't know if it is due to my non-secretorhood or if I am further impacted by the LDN status.   How about you?  Take care.  CB.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, May 26, 2007, 9:11pm; Reply: 32
then I guess my hot cocoa with lecithin and ghee added is a good thing!
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Saturday, May 26, 2007, 11:07pm; Reply: 33
Dr. D, thank you!  That explanation answers everything.  

CB,  yes, I can have those foods you mentioned, also.  And I also take Deflect.  I'm waiting on my Phytocal to arrive, too.
Posted by: CB, Saturday, May 26, 2007, 11:24pm; Reply: 34
Lola, tell us how you make your cocoa.  Thank you.  Take care.  CB
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 4:50am; Reply: 35
a spoon of ground unsweetened cocoa, a spoon of ghee and a spoon of lecithin....add hot water to that.
you can use a hand mixer if you want it frothy.
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Sunday, May 27, 2007, 6:21am; Reply: 36
Dr. D:

I'm guessing, however, that even with phenylalanine and a bit of a fatty-oily meal, the levels of IAP are not going to increase up to what you would see in a full secretor.  Am I right on that?
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Sunday, May 27, 2007, 6:22am; Reply: 37
Lola,

So taking lecithin in cocoa helps?  I didn't know that.  Can you absorb calcium at the same time?
Posted by: Dr. D, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 11:48am; Reply: 38
Quoted from Ronagon
Dr. D, thank you!  That explanation answers everything.  

CB,  yes, I can have those foods you mentioned, also.  And I also take Deflect.  I'm waiting on my Phytocal to arrive, too.


Problem with one-word answers!
Posted by: Don, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 1:54pm; Reply: 39
Thanks for the continuing education lesson!
Posted by: Dr. D, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 1:57pm; Reply: 40
Thank you Modon, for creating the teaching moment. BTW, this type of 'reverse posology' is very typical of nonniehood.

:D

Sadly, I've just not done much with IAP for the last two decades. Perhaps I shoudl return it to the attention to the SWCNM research people.  

;)
Posted by: jayneeo, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 4:58pm; Reply: 41
so what does IAP do for us? (I may have known once.....)
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 5:10pm; Reply: 42
Very interesting conversation!  Thanks to all participants.

And Lola, I'm still drinking my black cocoa also, with hot water/cocoa/ghee/lecithin.  Another drink I have come to love is adding a small amount (1/2 to 1 tsp) cocoa to my green tea.  It takes it to another dimension.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 5:12pm; Reply: 43
jayneeo,
do you know your blood type?
you can get yourself a shield, called avatar,  in member center.
IPA is essential for digestion and aids in the conversion of calcium and other essential nutrients needed.
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000206.htm
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 5:14pm; Reply: 44
Victoria s secret hey??? lol
thanks for the tip......it does add extra benefit to the cocoa using green tea as a base!
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 6:02pm; Reply: 45
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zFommnZLm_M&mode=related&search=

how is this for science and misinformation!!!

doesn t he look healthy though??? LOL
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 8:13pm; Reply: 46
Quoted from lola
how is this for science and misinformation!!!


The information on pesticides was very interesting...  I am detoxing pesticides and feel much of the neuro-muscular spasms and brain fog when the levels are high.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 8:34pm; Reply: 47
I see what you mean, but I m referring to one where he criticises BTD......not pretty!

I believe there are a few videos there, but do not know how to open that particular one, which I m talking about.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 8:39pm; Reply: 48
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZF4r_ieOEZo&mode=related&search=
think it is this one
Posted by: 1206 (Guest), Sunday, May 27, 2007, 10:43pm; Reply: 49
Is there any form of lecithin that does not come from soy or eggs?
Posted by: CB, Monday, May 28, 2007, 12:47am; Reply: 50
Lola, did they do a venous draw on you for your additional serotyping?   Were many others asking for the additional serotyping?  Take care.  CB.
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Monday, May 28, 2007, 5:25am; Reply: 51
I'm just one of those types of people who tends to need some kind of logical understanding of things before I can move forward.  The advantage to that, however, as I see it, is that once I understand the "whys" about something, I can be a lot more committed and more persuasive in favor of it than I would be otherwise.

My ability to "sell" anyone on anything revolves around this.  My "faith" is a matter of semantics... I only have faith when I have real understanding and, apparently, that's not how faith is usually done in this culture.  This is probably why I've always felt like such a square peg in life.
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Monday, May 28, 2007, 6:16am; Reply: 52
Lola,

That guy's thinking is all over the place.

In terms of his so-called logic, I think his whole dismissal of the BTD centers on a logical error, which is that, because animals of all different species have different blood types, too, that their different blood types don't affect how healthy they otherwise could be, if they, too, ate right for their types.

You know, this now raises an important question in my mind:  How many health conditions that we see in all manner of wild animals, zoo animals, farm animals, and household pets, might not also be due to their not eating what is right for them, too?  Are animal blood types different from human blood types?  I would imagine so.

As I look around, I see dogs developing arthritis and having diarrhea, and even having chronic allergies.  Perhaps it's their having no choice but to eat corn-based chows and such, that cause these problems?

I can't help but wonder how much money could be made off of blood type diet formulas for pets and animals, as well.  I think it would sell like hotcakes, because so many people love their little animals so profoundly, and routinely are militantly willing to spend incur some very high bills on keeping their beloved animals happy and healthy.  I estimate that, almost certainly, they'd be willing to pay for more biologically-appropriate dog chow and such...
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Monday, May 28, 2007, 6:35am; Reply: 53
After that last post, I did a Google search, and found an article on various cat and dog blood types.  In case anyone's interested, here it is:

http://www.vet.utk.edu/bloodbank/vet_banking.shtml

It also appears as though blood typing plays a major role in their health.  Here's an article on that:

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1459270.htm

Here's another article that says dogs have 4 blood types, cats 11, and cows 800!

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1459270.htm

And here are some other dog blood type articles, in general:

http://uninews.unimelb.edu.au/articleid_2644.html
http://www.spinone.com/BloodTyping.htm
http://www.hickoryvet.com/page37.htm
http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=TUFTSBG2003&PID=5122&O=Generic
http://www.usatoday.com/life/2004-01-19-dog-bloodmobile-usat_x.htm

(I can't help but notice that a lot of this research is coming from Australia.  I can't help but notice how innovative those Aussies are.)

Enjoy!
Posted by: Dr. D, Monday, May 28, 2007, 12:42pm; Reply: 54
Well (as I have said before) if you want to extrapolate animal blood type correlations (or lack of them) to humans (or vice versa) then you have to expect that all humans who are blood group O to have black hair, since pigs who are blood group O always have black coats. Of course, if instead you are a dogmatic idiot, you'll stop at where the argument amuses you, and not proceed to check to see whether or not it actually makes sense. Problem with that is the chance that ultimately, your cherry picking will not yield the point you are hoping to make. However, in this case it might have made you a bit more informed about the workings of blood groups and genetics.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, May 28, 2007, 1:03pm; Reply: 55
and Monsanto got em all !!!  :((shhh)(think)(whistle)
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Monday, May 28, 2007, 11:40pm; Reply: 56
Dr. D:

So does that mean you support the notion that animal blood types might play some effect in their optimal dietary requirements as well?  Or would it work differently in animals than in humans...

And I appreciate your point about cherry-picking.  It's too bad more people don't let their agendas be informed by the facts.  Rather, they seem to cherry-pick the facts, so that they appear to support their agendas, which were apparently and tragically formed on insufficient or faulty bases of facts.

Posted by: md, Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 2:11am; Reply: 57
Ron,

According to William D. Cusick, each breed (dogs) is unique.
, and he lists the best foods for different breeds at the link below.

http://home.att.net/~wdcusick/free.html
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 6:07am; Reply: 58
md,

Thanks... That's very helpful.  

When I was growing up, we lived in Florida and had a lhasa apso.  How insane.   He was miserable for years, and the hair around his tail was always falling off and he was always biting it.  It was so sad.  Too bad we didn't know to try any of these food choices that you posted.
Posted by: CB, Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 12:58am; Reply: 59
Ronnie-oh-nonnie, did you try the phenylalanine?  I did and do and it's a good fit for me.  Let me know your results.  Thx.  Cb.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 9:12am; Reply: 60
::) CB...phenylalanine...oups I thought that was and is a no-no for A's ??)

Posted by: CB, Thursday, July 5, 2007, 9:48am; Reply: 61
I didn't find Phenylalanine listed, but in talking with Dr. D. and I'm sure it is somewhere in this thread, it is the one thing that helps to increase the IAP (intestinal alkaline phosphatase) which seems to be lower in NS and I suspect with LDNs.  When I visited his clinic, I also have it in my notes.   If you can find a reference I'd appreciate it.  If we are deficient in an amino, it difficult for me to think of it as harmful, overdoing it on the other hand is another story.  Take care.  CB
Posted by: Don, Thursday, July 5, 2007, 2:14pm; Reply: 62
I just moved the last for post to this thread since they were a follow up to the topic of this thread.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, July 5, 2007, 2:48pm; Reply: 63
CB,
Quoted Text
Dr D
Paradoxically, although phenylalanine inhibits IAP, it also induces further production of IAP. Since non-secretors don't make very much to inhibit, the amount induced is more significant, since by the time the IAP is produced, the amino acid is long gone. I think vitamin A does that as well. At one point I was going to put it into the Phytocal minerals, but like Isa said, you can't give it to everybody.

For the more technically inclined, phenylalanine is called an 'uncompetitive inhibitor'. It only works when the concentrations of the enzyme substrate (IAP and some fat in this case) is high. On the other hand, the presence of phenylalanine and fat (but minus the IAP) seems to induce some production of IAP.

his answer is on page 2 of this thread.
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Monday, July 9, 2007, 10:14am; Reply: 64
Lola is like this walking encyclopedia...
Posted by: Becky, Monday, July 9, 2007, 2:00pm; Reply: 65
Hey CB, was it L-phenylalanine or DL phenylalanine that you found.  Also, where did you pick this up?  Would love to give it a try, just want to make sure it is the right thing.

Thanks for the info!
Posted by: Lola, Monday, July 9, 2007, 3:01pm; Reply: 66
no biggie Ron!!
it is just my finger on the mouse!!! LOL
Posted by: CB, Saturday, July 14, 2007, 11:26pm; Reply: 67
Becky, I tried both.  Interesting, when I take with evening meal, I have more energy, and can just do more without feeling sleep deprived in the morning.  Take care.  CB
Sorry it took so long to respond, I've been tied up so to speak
Posted by: CB, Saturday, July 14, 2007, 11:27pm; Reply: 68
Add-on to Becky,  I picked it up at a Health Food Store in the U.S.  A good store will have both  Take care.  CB
Posted by: Becky, Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 4:22pm; Reply: 69
Thanks CB, good to see you got the ropes loosened a little.  Going shopping online in a few minutes.

Wonderful LOLA !!(dance)(sunny).  I love the way your mind works !!  And thank you so much for always being right there on top of it all!
Posted by: CB, Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 11:10pm; Reply: 70
Becky, Well, well, I'll be Vegas tomorrow at a convention.   Take care.  CB  Although I'll be inside most of time, what is weather like now.  
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, July 18, 2007, 3:06am; Reply: 71
Becky!
:K) back at you!
Posted by: alohascott, Monday, June 16, 2008, 9:05pm; Reply: 72
aloha
so did anybody find out if dl phenylalanine is as good for this purpose as the non dl type?   also could we just take a packet of nutrasweet?   I seemed to read somewhere that this should be taken three times a day but this was for depression i think.   how many times a day have you guys found useful?
Posted by: Lloyd, Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 12:07am; Reply: 73
Scott, the L form would be the natural form for amino acids. Hope that helps.

From the wiki link:
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D- and DL-phenylalanine
The unnatural stereoisomer D-phenylalanine (DPA) is available through conventional organic synthesis either as a single enantiomer or as a component of the racemic mixture. It does not participate in protein biosynthesis although it is found in proteins, in small amounts, particularly aged proteins and food proteins that have been processed. The biological functions of D-amino acids remain unclear. Some D-amino acids, such as D-phenylalanine, may have pharmacological activity.

DL-Phenylalanine is marketed as a nutritional supplement for its putative analgesic and antidepressant activities. The putative analgesic activity of DL-phenylalanine may be explained by the possible blockage by D-phenylalanine of enkephalin degradation by the enzyme carboxypeptidase A.[5] The mechanism of DL-phenylalanine's putative antidepressant activity may be accounted for by the precursor role of L-phenylalanine in the synthesis of the neurotransmitters norepinephrine and dopamine. Elevated brain norepinephrine and dopamine levels are thought to be associated with antidepressant effects.[citation needed] D-Phenylalanine is absorbed from the small intestine, following ingestion, and transported to the liver via the portal circulation. A fraction of D-phenylalanine appears to be converted to L-phenylalanine. D-Phenylalanine is distributed to the various tissues of the body via the systemic circulation. D-Phenylalanine appears to cross the blood-brain barrier with less efficiency than L-phenylalanine. A fraction of an ingested dose of D-phenylalanine is excreted in the urine.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 12:17am; Reply: 74
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Dr D:
"[Q]uorn is high in protein, but the amino acid profile is very high in phenylalanine, which makes quorn inadvisable for most type A's -especially A non-secretors, who often lack adequate levels of the enzyme intestinal alkaline phosphatase (a fat-busting enzyme inactivated by phyenylalanine). Also, this
species of fungii may have immune suppressive effects, which may give some concern to those non-A individuals with infection disease susceptibilties."
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 12:38am; Reply: 75
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Dr D:
Paradoxically, although phenylalanine inhibits IAP, it also induces further production of IAP. Since non-secretors don't make very much to inhibit, the amount induced is more significant, since by the time the IAP is produced, the amino
acid is long gone. I think vitamin A does that as well.

For the more technically inclined, phenylalanine is called an 'uncompetitive inhibitor'. It only works when the concentrations of the enzyme substrate (IAP and some fat in this case) is high. On the other hand, the presence of phenylalanine and fat (but minus the IAP) seems to induce some production of IAP.
Posted by: alohascott, Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 9:48pm; Reply: 76
what form is in a packet of nutrasweet i wonder and how much?

i guess until i get an answer i will just take one tab three times a day and see if it helps.

seems like i slept well last night and woke up with more energy this morning
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, June 19, 2008, 3:30am; Reply: 77
nutrasweet is a brand name, like splenda or aspartame or all those......better kept as far away as possible.
Posted by: Eric, Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 8:08am; Reply: 78
I was doing some research, because honestly I didn't really know what IAP was..

So I guess "alkaline phosphatase" is a group of enzymes (hence the -ase, which seems to be left off when ppl here have mentioned it) that break down fat and other things in the small intestine.  That's what Dr. D means when he talks about non-secretors lacking "fat-busting enzymes", I assume.   '

So that's exciting to think that we could take a supplement (L-Phen) to increase our utility for oils in the diet!   I bought a bottle today :)
Posted by: 521 (Guest), Monday, June 30, 2008, 10:47am; Reply: 79
Aspartame is made from the union of L-phenylalanine and vitamin C, which are both natural substances, although L-phenylalanine will cause black urine in phenylketonurics, which is why anything containing Aspartame has that warning for phenylketonurics.

Anyhow, when Aspartame is metabolized by the body, however, from what I understand, it doesn't break back down into those two things but, rather, into vitamin C, methyl (wood) alcohol, and formaldehyde.

Methyl alcohol (also called "methanol") is not meant for ingestion; the form which we drink to get drunk is ethanol... a two-carbon alcohol, as opposed to methanol, which is a one-carbon alcohol.  And methanol is notorious for causing blindness and nerve damage.

Finally, formaldehyde is a known carcinogen... which may explain a number of these reports of a spike in cancer cases shortly following the introduction of Aspartame into the food supply.  

(Also, FYI, the beer Heineken contains formaldehyde as a preservative.)

My understanding is that, when Aspartame was first being manufactured (by Monsanto, I believe), the off-gasses given off by it in the plants were so horrendously toxic that the workers handling the mixtures were keeling over dead from it and, what's more, it was eating through their rubber boots.

If these rumors are true, that's some fun stuff to be taking into your body.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, June 30, 2008, 5:56pm; Reply: 80
scary!!
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Thursday, February 19, 2009, 1:33pm; Reply: 81
Eric I saw this and thought of this thread. Interesting application for deflect here.
  :)
Will you be coming to the conference in Connecticut this summer?


http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2004/02/15/type-a-and-strep-throat?blog=27
Posted by: Eric, Friday, February 20, 2009, 3:30am; Reply: 82
Awesome info!  I'm going to print that and keep it in my BTD research binder.  yeah, I'll be there!!  It'll be good to see you!
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