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Posted by: 971 (Guest), Saturday, May 12, 2007, 11:51am
Hey everyone,

I am having another flair-up of severe lower back pain and stiffness,I nearly pass out from pain if I try sitting or when im going from a laying down to sitting and standing position the pain is almost unbareable.I had this problem for the first time a couple years ago when I was sitting at the computer and suddenly threw out my back.I wasn't able to sit up or stand for weeks and had to be taken into the ER via a stretcher (which by the way didn't go so hot.Anyway I am having another flairup of it and ITS EXCRUCIATINGLY PAINFUL.I don't have insurance so its hard for me to go for chiropractic adjustments and all.I know eventually I need to go to the doc for that but for now I would like some advice on how to manage myself and the pain and be able to move around more,as it is I am only comfortable when im laying flat on my back.Please HELP!I DONT WANNA BE IMMOBILE AGAIN FOR DAYS.
Posted by: resting, Saturday, May 12, 2007, 12:14pm; Reply: 1
Hi Tarrenae,

perhaps MSM may help http://www.oralchelation.com/wednesday/previous/2007/2007May10msm.htm

John
Posted by: Lisalea, Saturday, May 12, 2007, 12:25pm; Reply: 2
I'm so sorry to hear about ur horrible experience; from what I've learned u're probably very acidic ...
R u totally compliant ?
It would be very important, ESPECIALLY at this point to eat extremely well and stretching exercises would help immensely; if u can manage anything at all ...

U will most definately need to see a professional though 'cause u can NOT wait around and watch urself get worst ...
Drinking water is also essential and perhaps Glucosamine/MSM may help in the future ... if it's ok with ur blood type  ??)

I would stick to a high protein diet at this time and vegetables and whatever fruits u're allowed to have and keep urself away from one position for too long a period.

Wishing u all the best and I'm certain that many more people will come along shortly and help u out and give u many more pointers/advice.

PLEASE keep us posted,  Cheers :)
Posted by: 971 (Guest), Saturday, May 12, 2007, 12:49pm; Reply: 3
hey kyosha nim and Lisalea,

thanks for the tips....I don't have msm around the house right now,but I can get some I do have

vitamin C with glucosamine and chondroitin

and homeopathic backache medicine

im taking both,and rubbing my back with some cream called back
rescue its herbal with things like arnica and white willow bark.

iam laying flat because every other position hurts.
Posted by: resting, Saturday, May 12, 2007, 2:12pm; Reply: 4
Hi Tarrenae,


we type-0s must stay clear of chondriotin ... it is best for us to take n-acetyl -glucosamine or (n-acetlyl-galactocosamine?) instead of the regular glucosamine .... hit the search button on this site for more info

John
Posted by: mikeo, Saturday, May 12, 2007, 2:20pm; Reply: 5
taking chondroitin for O's is like getting hit with a bad infusion of A blood...the main sugars of both chondroitin and the A antigen is N-acetyl-Galactosamaine

people get  Galactosomine and Glucosamine mixed up...they are not the same

Chondroitin is great for A's and AB's
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, May 12, 2007, 2:28pm; Reply: 6
Dimethyl Sulfoxide (DMSO),
and bromelain.....reiki and excersise, have been mentioned by Dr D.
don t forget to load up on Bromelain!
helps releive the swelling and discomfort...
kombu is a rich source of naturally-occurring
MSG (monosodium glutamate),
Posted by: italybound, Saturday, May 12, 2007, 2:30pm; Reply: 7
I concur w/ the being compliant suggestion. I know things like high fructose corn syrup and even other sugars can make my lower back hurt.
I remember right when I was coming aboard BTD, someone had mentioned they had lower back pain all the time until getting on BTD.  On BTD, it went away. I was a little skeptical about that remark until I proved it to myself.  ;D  Nothing like first hand experience.
Hope you will be feeling better very soon. (sunny)
Posted by: KimonoKat, Saturday, May 12, 2007, 2:37pm; Reply: 8
My formula for body aches or back pain~on an empty stomach:

1500 mg bromelain
1-2 capsules of Dr. D's Quercetin
1 capsule MSM
1 capsule of Deflect
1,000 to 2,000 mg of Glucosamine Sulfate

You can also add
Boswellia
Posted by: mikeo, Saturday, May 12, 2007, 2:38pm; Reply: 9
I had the same problem and all I did was every morning I stretched and did push ups...quality over quantity...which strengthens all the axillary muscles in the back...I've been back pain free for 6 years and I too had excruciating pain where three colleagues from work had to lift me in the chair I was sitting in to a van to take me home
Posted by: Rodney, Saturday, May 12, 2007, 3:30pm; Reply: 10
after you get your pain under control give yoga a try.
It sure has helped my more than I can describe.


http://ezinearticles.com/?Are-You-Willing-To-Follow-Eight-Yoga-Exercises-For-the-Lower-Back?&id=7571
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Saturday, May 12, 2007, 3:53pm; Reply: 11
Approx. 10 years ago when I had a sprained neck I went to the chiropractor for the very first time.  (I had the name of an excellent one in my brain in case anything happened to my back, or something, and he is gentle, not rough!!) At first, I did have to go often but then less and less.  He gave me papain, too, and I have never forgotten that.  Could be that a combination of papain and bromelain would be useful to you.  And, yes, Arnica is very useful, too.  

I know it is expensive to pay out of pocket and I appreciate that fact having paid out of pocket for a homeopath, naturopath and chiropractor for years.  Finally, the chiropractor is paid by insurance, at least.  If only insurance companies would pay for all these more natural ways of healing then we would have healthier people, wouldn't you say?  But, that's an old story!

I'm so sorry you are in such pain.  Everyone is being so helpful to you and you'll have to keep us posted on your progress.  Good luck!  :)
Posted by: italybound, Saturday, May 12, 2007, 4:25pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from New_Hampshire_Girl
I know it is expensive to pay out of pocket and I appreciate that fact having paid out of pocket for a homeopath, naturopath and chiropractor for years.  Finally, the chiropractor is paid by insurance,


Went to the endo's yest..........mentioned I didnt want to repeat the adrenal saliva testing right now as it's expensive. He asked "why because the ins doesn't pay for it". I said "yes".  He asked why I thought that was and I said "Because they're stupid". He didn't like that answer much LOL
To me it is stupid. So much pain and suffering could be alleviated naturally if only...................          but then yes, the MD's, big pharms, yada yada yada would be hurt financially. Sad the we are no more important than that, but such is life.  :'( :'(
Posted by: RedLilac, Saturday, May 12, 2007, 5:01pm; Reply: 13
Make sure you’re well hydrated. When your body is low on water it goes to the critical areas first like the brain.

There are many excellent back exercises out there.  If your doctor doesn’t recommend any, you could do a Google search.

If you can afford it, go to a Chiropractor.  It is worth it.
Posted by: Brighid45, Saturday, May 12, 2007, 5:51pm; Reply: 14
If you can, get glucosamine without the chondroitin, as Os don't do well with chondroitin for the reasons Mikeo mentioned. MSM, bromelain, quercetin, elderberry concentrate, all help with pain. In the case of elderberry, it is specific to leg pain and might help your back as well. I would also suggest valerian to help your muscles relax and also calm you mentally. Valerian works very gently, with no side effects. It does have a weird smell, but you get used to it :) Valerian used in combination with Rhodiola is a great way to relieve stress, which could be of help to you mentally and emotionally. Being in that much sustained severe pain takes a toll on you more than physically and causes enormous stress.

I've had severe lower back pain in the past, so I know what you're going through, believe me. Hang in there. This too shall pass.


Posted by: Jill N, Sunday, May 13, 2007, 3:45am; Reply: 15
My Dad has this book on trigger point therapy and swears by it.  Hope you get some relief soon.   :)

http://www.triggerpointbook.com/
Posted by: Lloyd, Sunday, May 13, 2007, 4:02am; Reply: 16
Quoted from mikeo
I had the same problem and all I did was every morning I stretched and did push ups...quality over quantity...which strengthens all the axillary muscles in the back...I've been back pain free for 6 years and I too had excruciating pain where three colleagues from work had to lift me in the chair I was sitting in to a van to take me home


All that plus walking, sit-ups and staying well hydrated for me.
Posted by: pipnjohn, Sunday, May 13, 2007, 7:52am; Reply: 17
Quoted from Tarrenae
Hey everyone,

I am having another flair-up of severe lower back pain and stiffness,I nearly pass out from pain if I try sitting or when im going from a laying down to sitting and standing position the pain is almost unbareable.I had this problem for the first time a couple years ago when I was sitting at the computer and suddenly threw out my back.I wasn't able to sit up or stand for weeks and had to be taken into the ER via a stretcher (which by the way didn't go so hot.Anyway I am having another flairup of it and ITS EXCRUCIATINGLY PAINFUL.I don't have insurance so its hard for me to go for chiropractic adjustments and all.I know eventually I need to go to the doc for that but for now I would like some advice on how to manage myself and the pain and be able to move around more,as it is I am only comfortable when im laying flat on my back.Please HELP!I DONT WANNA BE IMMOBILE AGAIN FOR DAYS.


Hi Tarrenae,

If you get no relief at all and you are still desperate, try these guys, I presume you are in the USA!

 http://www.laserspineinstitute.com

I think I would if I was over there!   :K) Cheers John.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, May 13, 2007, 8:27am; Reply: 18
yeppers, here I am also for all kind of strength for the backmuscles....aannddd please once upon your time, go for the books of Dr. John Sarno (mind over backpain & devided mind) but first exercises......
I do em as well ::) :-/ and that's really helping ....:o  even with my so well known lazyness :o :B :X :D
Posted by: 245 (Guest), Sunday, May 13, 2007, 9:59am; Reply: 19
Hi,  I've been an on and off lurker, but I saw this and I just had to post.

I had a back injury a while back and I had PT (stretches and strengtheners) with ultrasound for about 6 weeks.  But since that isn't an option for you right now, I would start with using a heat pack on the area in pain.  I was told that if heat doesn't give relief, to try ice...that the lower back is an area that is ok to switch like that.  In either case, you should apply your pack for 20 min, the leave off for 20 min.

When you feel comfortable, do stretches for the hamstrings, hip flexors, thighs and glutes.  Make sure you are GENTLE and pick the variation that doesn't twist the spine.  I got a handout, but they are common stretches that I'm sure you can google.  (These: http://www.spine-health.com/topics/conserv/easyexercise/easyexercise01.html are kind of like what I got, except I got another glute stretch, well, and the hipflexor stretch I got was a little different.

Also, I would strongly recommend getting into a Pilates class.  (Pilates is a system of core training originally developed for rehab of injured soldiers.)  While the PT helped me avoid pain, I wasn't really "cured" until I took Pilates from a good, qualified instructor.

hth, and take care!
Posted by: ruthie, Sunday, May 13, 2007, 12:18pm; Reply: 20
Accupunture...
This would be first thing I would do even if I had to go to pawn shop with family treasures to pay for it...
namaste
ruthie
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, May 13, 2007, 2:36pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from bomega
Hi,  I've been an on and off lurker,!


bomega, just wanted to wish you a warm welcome to BTD and the forums!!  ;D   Glad you stopped lurking and jumped in to participate. Hope to see you around again.  :D
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, May 13, 2007, 3:32pm; Reply: 22
bomega,
thanks for sharing and welcome!
Posted by: RedLilac, Sunday, May 13, 2007, 4:20pm; Reply: 23
Bomega - Welcome fellow B
Posted by: 1381 (Guest), Sunday, May 13, 2007, 4:21pm; Reply: 24

I also have some trouble with backpain.

I read the book of Dr Sarno "Healing backpain" When ever the pain shoots in. and that could be any time, I say to myself that it is a muscle and nothing serious. There is some psychological stress I tell myself
And guess........a few hours later it is gone or even sooner
It is a great book to read.
Sorry it is not the diet, but may be it will help you too

frume
Posted by: 971 (Guest), Sunday, May 13, 2007, 9:47pm; Reply: 25
Thanks everyone for all your helpful and kind suggestions.I wont take the Chondritin I just had a few packets of powdered version but I only took it one day.It didnt help much anyway.Im taking some homeopathic backpain pills those rn't doing much either.Let me tell you sitting is excruciating!I am starting to appreciate health much more now.That I am totally sick,in pain and can barely move.

I am in mega pain now and feeling soooooo awful.I went off grains for only 3 days and that was before my back went crazy.I wasn't eating enough protein still.And I know I need to improve that.

Iwill be happy if I can just get off the beans and grains and get on the proteins.NOW that my body is rejecting  the carbs and making my stomach sick when I eat it,not to mention giving me diarrhea.
My back went out and I have been barely able to move around so I can't cook at this time,I have been living on terrible high carb foods,brown rice,rice cakes,chickpea curry someone made for me.It is making me feel so sick to my stomach and increasing my pain.I hate the way the brown rice is making me feel SIMPLY AWFUL. I feel ashamed I have been putting that in my system,my body clearly doesn't want that much grain.I heard somewhere that brown rice is not much more nutritionally valuable then white rice. I am going to avoid it.The only rice product I am going to have will be occasional rice milk and the rice protein powder since all the starch has been removed and I tolerate it when my stomach is to sick to down any other type pf protein.I FEEL ICKY! im craving protein severely but not able to sit up long enough to get to the store.I NEED MAJOR PAIN RELIEF,AT THIS POINT.I am trying to find  DC.
Posted by: Brighid45, Sunday, May 13, 2007, 10:55pm; Reply: 26
This back pain could be a symptom of detox, or it could be that all the starches you were eating were masking the pain. At any rate, have some of the beef broth whenever you can. It will help. It will also help you stay hydrated. When I'm sick I keep a thermos of broth by the bed and drink it whenever I can, along with rooibos tea when I get tired of the broth.

Also, if you have someone cooking for you, if they could make soft-cooked veggies, give those a try. Broccoli, collards or kale, carrots, green beans, zucchini, whatever you can eat that's a beneficial or frequent neutral, they will help. Soft cooking will make them more digestible.

If you are craving starches, try pumpkin or sweet potato. Both are good when mashed or pureed with some butter or ghee. Plain canned pumpkin is okay to use. You can also try parsnips. I've just started eating them again and they are good mashed with a little ghee. Soft-cooked carrots are also good mashed up with butter or ghee.

Hang in there. This will pass.
Posted by: Lisalea, Sunday, May 13, 2007, 11:21pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from Tarrenae
hey kyosha nim and Lisalea,

thanks for the tips....I don't have msm around the house right now,but I can get some I do have

vitamin C with glucosamine and chondroitin

and homeopathic backache medicine

im taking both,and rubbing my back with some cream called back
rescue its herbal with things like arnica and white willow bark.

iam laying flat because every other position hurts.



U r so very welcome, HOPEFULLY ur excruciating pain will end very soon !!!
Please keep drinking lots of liquids and think positive Tarrenae ... our thoughts r  a VERY powerful tool towards healing !!! :) :K)
Posted by: pipnjohn, Monday, May 14, 2007, 4:20am; Reply: 28
Quoted from Jill_Owen
My Dad has this book on trigger point therapy and swears by it.  Hope you get some relief soon.   :)

http://www.triggerpointbook.com/


I have been following up on this suggestion and so far I reckon it is the best bit of advice that has been given on this subject and I am going to follow up even more myself now.

I went to my Physio this morning and we explored the trigger points for my back condition and after some treatment this morning there is a huge difference already.

I am in pretty good shape thanks to BTD but I was wavering due to the pain in my back lately and was thinking of revisiting a surgeon to get some relief from the pain.

Thanks for your post Jill N, I think you are on the right track baby, tell your dad thank-you from me. Cheers John
Posted by: Mrs. Rodgers, Monday, May 14, 2007, 6:26am; Reply: 29
Quoted from ruthie
Accupunture...
This would be first thing I would do even if I had to go to pawn shop with family treasures to pay for it...
namaste
ruthie


I agree with Ruthie.  My back went totally out while cleaning the toilet.  I could hardly move or turn over in bed.  Three acupuncture treatments and I was a ready to go back to work.  I had some minor lingering pain and took some BioAstin (astaxanthin) which supports joint function and the pain was gone.  Now I take BioAstin whenever my back starts to hurt.  (As a bonus, it also prevents sunburn for us sensitive A's) Read about it here http://www.nutrex-hawaii.com/main.html but you can find it cheaper on other sites.  When I lived in Hawaii, I bought it at Costco.
Posted by: suzedgar, Thursday, May 24, 2007, 9:04pm; Reply: 30
Please please read Dr. Sarno's "Healing Back Pain" - after 12 years of terrible pain (and I was doing D'Adamo's diet)
Sarno saved my life - and all for the cost of a book - after years of chiropractors (they do absolutely nothing - completely and utter nonsense) and MRIs etc etc,
all the pain stemmed from the brain and stress. It is absolutely incredible.

ARe you a highly strung person who worries alot and tries to do everything right - perfectionist etc?? do you have alot of stress in your life??

The book will completely save you. All the dieting/supplements etc will do absolutely nothing - mere placebo affect. You will be ok and the pain will return with time.

with Sarno, it is gone forever
Posted by: yaman, Friday, May 25, 2007, 12:55am; Reply: 31
I agree with frumag and suzedgar. Reading Dr. Sarno's books (Healing Back Pain, Mind Over Back Pain, Mindbody Prescription) will certainly help.

I also recommend EFT (www.emofree.com) as a quick fix.

Cheers,
Yaman
Posted by: Debra+, Friday, May 25, 2007, 2:03am; Reply: 32
Quoted from yaman
I agree with frumag and suzedgar. Reading Dr. Sarno's books (Healing Back Pain, Mind Over Back Pain, Mindbody Prescription) will certainly help.

I also recommend EFT (www.emofree.com) as a quick fix.

Cheers,
Yaman


Got my vote too. :D

Debra :)

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