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Posted by: 152 (Guest), Thursday, May 3, 2007, 9:11pm
LR4T - suggests eating protien and carbs separately b/c they are digested at different rates...

Anyone out there stick to this on top of ETD?

Does it make a difference?

^_^
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, May 3, 2007, 9:37pm; Reply: 1
food combining guidelines works for some.......
it is a personal matter really.
I eat my fruit away from my main meals, which contain protein most of the time...but I do eat carbs like sweet potato with my protein.

fruit is what I prefer eating alone.
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, May 3, 2007, 10:29pm; Reply: 2
Quoted from namelessfemm
LR4T - suggests eating protien and carbs separately b/c they are digested at different rates...

Anyone out there stick to this on top of ETD?

Does it make a difference?

This made a difference when I started the diet, but now it no longer seems to...  
I eat meat, legumes, starchy vegetables and/or fruit all together now without any noticable problems.  Maybe my digestion is getting better?  ??)   ;D
Posted by: Alia Vo, Friday, May 4, 2007, 1:14am; Reply: 3
This information was addressed in the blood type A section to promote better digestion and metabolism.

Separating grains and proteins does provide efficient digestion for some individuals.

Alia
Posted by: 152 (Guest), Friday, May 4, 2007, 1:43am; Reply: 4
Oh man - now I'm going nuts.....as usual - Imma doin the O thing and reading 4 books at a time =T  and now I can't find where I read it....ahhhhhhhhhh!

^_^
Posted by: Lisalea, Friday, May 4, 2007, 12:36pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from lola
food combining guidelines works for some.......
it is a personal matter really.
I eat my fruit away from my main meals, which contain protein most of the time...but I do eat carbs like sweet potato with my protein.

fruit is what I prefer eating alone.


I was wondewring Lola ... do u eat all types of fruits alone even the very sweet ones such as dried figs, apricots ... etc ??

I was told once that it was best to eat very sweet fruits with a yogurt perhaps, this way it doesn't spike your blood sugar ??)
Does this make sence to u ??
Thanks senorita  ;)
Posted by: Lola, Friday, May 4, 2007, 2:41pm; Reply: 6
I eat fruit sparingly....
a bit of pineapple and papaya in the morning with linseed and chia, that s basically it.

perhaps a plum or two mid afternoon.
but my grapefruit, whole, at night, that s a real treat!!

don t have dried fruits in general, no.
Posted by: 1192 (Guest), Friday, May 4, 2007, 4:01pm; Reply: 7
In addition to learning what foods are "good" for me, via this program, i've been following an alkaline way of eating.  70% at least, at each meal of alkaline foods.  I do NOT combine carbs with protein, and I eat fruit alone.

When eaten with other food groups, since most fruits are high in sugar and digest very quickly, they ferment inside the stomach because they can't be digested straight away because the stomach is busy processing the other food you have just eaten.  I ALWAYS eat fruit alone.  i wait at least an hour before eating anything else.  

Dont eat high-sugar fruits with anything else. Fruits in general are high in sugar levels, with the exception of avocados, tomatoes, lemons, limes, green, red and yellow bell peppers. If you combine high-sugar fruits with proteins, you create excess acidity in your stomach not a good thing. And if you combine them with starches (like pasta, potatoes, rice, etc.), you are adding sugar on top of sugar, again, not a good thing. In addition, because fruits digest very rapidly, you would be opening the door to fermentation right in your digestive tract. Finally, combining fruits with oils can lead to constipation and poor absorption of nutrients.

I also eat veggies with protein, and veggies with carbs, but i don't eat carbs with protein. Each different food has its own chemical composition, requires different enzymes for its proper digestion, and is digested in different areas of your digestive tract.

Starchy foods like rice, bread, and potatoes require an alkaline digestive medium, which is initially supplied by the enzyme ptyalin in the mouth. Protein foods like meat, dairy, nuts, and seeds on the other hand, require an acidic medium for digestion (created via hydrochloric acid and the enzyme pepsin).

According to basic chemical laws, acid and alkaline substances neutralize each other. That means that if you eat a protein with a starch (like steak and potatoes, or bagel and cheese), digestion is impaired and completely arrested.

That means that the undigested proteins will putrefy, and the undigested starches will ferment (a process catalyzed by lots of bacteria). This in turn gives rise to digestive disorders, gas, and heartburn.

Bottom line, how do you FEEL when you combine carbs with protein?  Let your body talk to ya!   ;)



Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, May 4, 2007, 5:24pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from namelessfemm
LR4T - suggests eating protien and carbs separately b/c they are digested at different rates...^_^

Where in LR4YT does it suggest that?

Edited to add:  Now I see your later post in the thread where you say you can't remember where you read it.  I don't believe you read it in LR4YT, it must have been another book.  Far as I know, Dr. D. does not promote food combining (or non-combining *lol*).

If anything, when I choose to eat grains, I go out of my way to try to eat protein with them.  This is much better for my blood sugar steadiness.

Posted by: Lisalea, Friday, May 4, 2007, 5:40pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from lola
I eat fruit sparingly....
a bit of pineapple and papaya in the morning with linseed and chia, that s basically it.

perhaps a plum or two mid afternoon.
but my grapefruit, whole, at night, that s a real treat!!

don t have dried fruits in general, no.


What's chia ? a seed ? and is it ok for B's ?
I can't seem to find it anywhere  ??) ;D

Thank-u again  :)
Posted by: Lisalea, Friday, May 4, 2007, 5:47pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from brianssong
In addition to learning what foods are "good" for me, via this program, i've been following an alkaline way of eating.  70% at least, at each meal of alkaline foods.  I do NOT combine carbs with protein, and I eat fruit alone.

When eaten with other food groups, since most fruits are high in sugar and digest very quickly, they ferment inside the stomach because they can't be digested straight away because the stomach is busy processing the other food you have just eaten.  I ALWAYS eat fruit alone.  i wait at least an hour before eating anything else.  

Dont eat high-sugar fruits with anything else. Fruits in general are high in sugar levels, with the exception of avocados, tomatoes, lemons, limes, green, red and yellow bell peppers. If you combine high-sugar fruits with proteins, you create excess acidity in your stomach not a good thing. And if you combine them with starches (like pasta, potatoes, rice, etc.), you are adding sugar on top of sugar, again, not a good thing. In addition, because fruits digest very rapidly, you would be opening the door to fermentation right in your digestive tract. Finally, combining fruits with oils can lead to constipation and poor absorption of nutrients.

I also eat veggies with protein, and veggies with carbs, but i don't eat carbs with protein. Each different food has its own chemical composition, requires different enzymes for its proper digestion, and is digested in different areas of your digestive tract.

Starchy foods like rice, bread, and potatoes require an alkaline digestive medium, which is initially supplied by the enzyme ptyalin in the mouth. Protein foods like meat, dairy, nuts, and seeds on the other hand, require an acidic medium for digestion (created via hydrochloric acid and the enzyme pepsin).

According to basic chemical laws, acid and alkaline substances neutralize each other. That means that if you eat a protein with a starch (like steak and potatoes, or bagel and cheese), digestion is impaired and completely arrested.

That means that the undigested proteins will putrefy, and the undigested starches will ferment (a process catalyzed by lots of bacteria). This in turn gives rise to digestive disorders, gas, and heartburn.

Bottom line, how do you FEEL when you combine carbs with protein?  Let your body talk to ya!   ;)






Very interesting perspective, thank-u very much  ;D :)
Posted by: 152 (Guest), Friday, May 4, 2007, 7:43pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from brianssong
In addition to learning what foods are "good" for me, via this program, i've been following an alkaline way of eating.  70% at least, at each meal of alkaline foods.  I do NOT combine carbs with protein, and I eat fruit alone.

Where do we find out if foods are alkaline or acidic?  It would be great for us O's since we have excess stomach acid.....I think...

Quoted from brianssong
Bottom line, how do you FEEL when you combine carbs with protein?  Let your body talk to ya!   ;)  

Well it's only been a couple of days - but it seems that protein holds me over oh so well throughout the morning and into the afternoon - esp with my green tea =)

but as the day goes on I get hungrier and hungrier - if I have lunch at 1 or 2 then I'll get hungry by 5-ish.....I don't understand it....maybe my body's still adjusting...

but so far when I do mix carbs with protein it makes me feel full and satisfied - I think it's all mental....I'm so confused....

but I will PRESS ON~!!!

^_^

ps -->  what do you eat nuts with?


Posted by: 1192 (Guest), Friday, May 4, 2007, 9:50pm; Reply: 12
Where do we find out if foods are alkaline or acidic?  It would be great for us O's since we have excess stomach acid.....I think...

http://www.trans4mind.com/nutrition/pH.html

this is a good site...there are LOTS of sites, just do a search with ACID/ALKALINE diet lots of info will pop up!  i eat basically 70-80% alkaline, 20% acid...at each meal.  
Posted by: Lola, Friday, May 4, 2007, 9:55pm; Reply: 13
the btd guidelines are balanced for each type, already.

remember each blood type is different and thus, foods act in different ways in each organism.

what is acid to me, may not be so for an A, for example.
Posted by: 1192 (Guest), Friday, May 4, 2007, 10:00pm; Reply: 14
the btd guidelines are balanced for each type, already.

you mean as far as acidity and alkalinity?  I'm an A, and if i eat carbs and protein together, i can feel it, it's horrible.  i get bloated and gassy... i guess it's just how soemthing makes you feel...
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, May 5, 2007, 1:33am; Reply: 15
A s with digestive issues are advised to follow separation diet guidelines.
starches away from proteins.....

Quoted Text
Dr D
Some aspects of the alkaline-acid ash theory are useful, but as with 'food-combining' much of these concerns were just built into the diet structure of the BTD to the extent (different for different types) than they were necessary.
Posted by: 152 (Guest), Saturday, May 5, 2007, 4:12am; Reply: 16
Quoted from brianssong
the btd guidelines are balanced for each type, already.

you mean as far as acidity and alkalinity? I'm an A, and if i eat carbs and protein together, i can feel it, it's horrible. i get bloated and gassy... i guess it's just how soemthing makes you feel...


Ah - makes more sense....I think I'm beginning to understand....

TANKS to everyones input on this topic~!!

^_^
Posted by: 152 (Guest), Saturday, May 5, 2007, 4:17am; Reply: 17
Quoted from lola
the btd guidelines are balanced for each type, already.

remember each blood type is different and thus, foods act in different ways in each organism.

what is acid to me, may not be so for an A, for example.


Lola - I'm sure you've heard this a many MANY times - but I'll have to say it here one more time - Thank you so much for all the time and consideration you so generously give here....I truley appreciate it - as does everyone else....

Yes, the book and Dr D has opened the door to my this new life...but it's this forum that has encouraged me, fired me up, given me so much appliable Knowledge....

How does one say thank you so many times w/o letting it fall on deaf ears?

^_^
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, May 5, 2007, 4:21am; Reply: 18
why thanks!!
I am 'wordless', 'Nameless'!!! ;)

It really is my pleasure! :K)
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, May 5, 2007, 6:27pm; Reply: 19
Lola is a Local Hero, as Bruce Springsteen sang in one of his songs.  We consider her a treasure around here!  :-)

Digestion sure is an individual issue.  I don't eat much grains anymore, so they are not a concern.  I always eat sweet potatoes or baked squashes with protein.  If I eat carbs alone, it messes up my blood sugar level.  I don't eat any dried fruits on a daily basis.  They are just too concentrated for my body.

Fresh fruits go into my morning smoothie with ground flax, super green powders and yogurt.  I digest that mixture very well and it satisfies my appetite for hours.  

My biggest meal of the day is mid-day and is always meat and non-starchy vegetables of a great variety.  That digests very well, but without the carbs, I notice that I am hungry again in 3 hours.  My breakfast smoothie, on the other hand, sticks with me for 5 hours.
Posted by: 152 (Guest), Saturday, May 5, 2007, 6:45pm; Reply: 20
Thanks Victoria~!!   And to everyone who took some time to share here....I finally finally finally get it....I will find what works for me by listening to my body - and use the ETD as flexible guidelines...

Don't know if it's true for most O's - but ...I needed this one drilled into my head a bit =D

Loving my new Lifestyle~~~~~~

^_^
Posted by: lstreat, Saturday, May 5, 2007, 9:54pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from brianssong
In addition to learning what foods are "good" for me, via this program, i've been following an alkaline way of eating. 70% at least, at each meal of alkaline foods. I do NOT combine carbs with protein, and I eat fruit alone.

When eaten with other food groups, since most fruits are high in sugar and digest very quickly, they ferment inside the stomach because they can't be digested straight away because the stomach is busy processing the other food you have just eaten. I ALWAYS eat fruit alone. i wait at least an hour before eating anything else.

Dont eat high-sugar fruits with anything else. Fruits in general are high in sugar levels, with the exception of avocados, tomatoes, lemons, limes, green, red and yellow bell peppers. If you combine high-sugar fruits with proteins, you create excess acidity in your stomach not a good thing. And if you combine them with starches (like pasta, potatoes, rice, etc.), you are adding sugar on top of sugar, again, not a good thing. In addition, because fruits digest very rapidly, you would be opening the door to fermentation right in your digestive tract. Finally, combining fruits with oils can lead to constipation and poor absorption of nutrients.

I also eat veggies with protein, and veggies with carbs, but i don't eat carbs with protein. Each different food has its own chemical composition, requires different enzymes for its proper digestion, and is digested in different areas of your digestive tract.

Starchy foods like rice, bread, and potatoes require an alkaline digestive medium, which is initially supplied by the enzyme ptyalin in the mouth. Protein foods like meat, dairy, nuts, and seeds on the other hand, require an acidic medium for digestion (created via hydrochloric acid and the enzyme pepsin).

According to basic chemical laws, acid and alkaline substances neutralize each other. That means that if you eat a protein with a starch (like steak and potatoes, or bagel and cheese), digestion is impaired and completely arrested.

That means that the undigested proteins will putrefy, and the undigested starches will ferment (a process catalyzed by lots of bacteria). This in turn gives rise to digestive disorders, gas, and heartburn.

Bottom line, how do you FEEL when you combine carbs with protein? Let your body talk to ya! ;)





This is very interesting Brian, thank you. I generally eat fruit on it's on in the am only, but I must try the no carbs with protein and see how I feel.

Laura
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, May 6, 2007, 2:50am; Reply: 22
Victoria!
as far as I know, the hero is you!!
I haven t yet won a battle, as you have done! :K)
Posted by: 1005 (Guest), Sunday, May 6, 2007, 12:09pm; Reply: 23
Hello Everybody!

This is such an interesting thread: thank you all for the great tips and insights.

What I read made me think of a little issue that I've got.  I do try to eat carbs and proteins separately, although not having carbs in a meal usually leaves me a bit dissatisfied and feeling slightly hungry.

My main point, though, is that I often crave something sweet at the end of a meal.  If fruit is not an option, what would you suggest?  I don't know whether it's because of the bad habits of the past, but I find it quite difficult not having a tiny bit of dessert at the end of a main meal... :B
Posted by: geminisue, Sunday, May 6, 2007, 2:16pm; Reply: 24
Itita, if your allowed dark chocolate being an A,  you can eat one or two squares a day (remember calories if trying to lose weight) or you can chop it and add to very hot water, like a chocolate drink, does not need sweetener.  
    You may use cocoa in hot water, or as a flour substitute, if compliant.

Walmart is suppose to be carrying chocolate morsals in dark choclate now, no milk added.  Top you meal with a teaspoon full.  or mix with compliant nut, if you need to watch glucose level.

now if you don't like or can't have chocolate.  How about baking a batch of meringue kisses.
egg white, sweetener you can have and a flavor you like.  Bake at low temp til dry.  Store in tightly covered container.  I don't have an exact recipe.  
Posted by: 1005 (Guest), Sunday, May 6, 2007, 4:28pm; Reply: 25
Geminisue, thank you so much for the tip.  I love dark chocolate and it's neutral for As.  I'm also looking forward to baking some meringues: I enjoy them very much.

Has anyone got a good/easy recipe for meringues?  I did try making them, oh, quite a long time ago, but it was a bit of a disaster!

BTW, just to get things clear in my head, when trying to keep carbs and proteins separated I guess I should have meringues with a protein base meal, right?

Would chocolate go with either type of meal?

Thanks!!
Posted by: 1005 (Guest), Sunday, May 6, 2007, 4:33pm; Reply: 26
Quoted Text
Has anyone got a good/easy recipe for meringues?  I did try making them, oh, quite a long time ago, but it was a bit of a disaster!


Never mind that: I just found a recipe in the Blood Type Diet Recipes:

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/recipedepictor.cgi?108

However it says that they are for types B and O.   ??)  I thought egg whites were neutral for As, too.

Any thoughts about that?

Thanks again   ;D
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, May 6, 2007, 4:57pm; Reply: 27
use compliant ingredients ...no problem.
Posted by: 1005 (Guest), Sunday, May 6, 2007, 6:17pm; Reply: 28
Thank you Lola  ;D
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, May 6, 2007, 6:30pm; Reply: 29
Itita,
It helps me to have something that has a sweet flavor with each meal.  In fact, I like to have as many flavors as possible in each meal:  salty, sweet, bitter, pungent.

For sweet, I include things like carrots, sweet potatoes, baked squashes, beneficial berries, etc.  It keeps me from feeling deprived, and keeps the cravings down.  I also think it's important to eat enough beneficial fats, such as ghee and olive oil, and nuts, fatty fish, etc.  These are all comfort foods since they help us feel satisfied.
Posted by: 1005 (Guest), Sunday, May 6, 2007, 7:43pm; Reply: 30
Victoria,

Yes, that makes a lot of sense.  Quite often I have some nuts at the end of a meal to give me that sense of satisfaction, especially if I've eaten a protein based meal.  I do eat lots of carrots and parsnips, but not at every meal.  So on the day I have spinach with tofu and seeds, or fish with veggies which are not particularly sweet I get those cravings...I find that even having a rye cracker at the end of such a meal helps the cravings, but I'm concerned about making it tough for my stomach to digest the meal: after all I suffer from bloating quite a lot  :-/

Anyway, I'll keep in mind all the advice and tips that I got and see how my body reacts: there's no doubt that since I started the BTD things have got better and it's still early days!

;)
Posted by: 152 (Guest), Monday, May 7, 2007, 8:24pm; Reply: 31
taken from: FAQs

http://www.dadamo.com/faq/smartfaq.cgi?answer=988881415&id=988813483

basically what everyone said here  ;D


Quoted from FAQs
Are you an advocate of "food combining"?

I am aware that many practitioners use food combining as part of their dietary recommendations. I do not, simply because the blood type diets do specifically what food combining attempts to do non-specifically.

Proponents of food combining claim that correct food combinations are important for proper digestion, utilization, and assimilation of the nutrients our body needs to sustain life. Different foods require different digestive enzymes to aid in the digestive process - some acid, some alkaline. When acid and alkaline foods come in contact, they neutralize each other and retard digestion. If the food we eat is not properly digested, it will pass through the intestinal tract without being completely broken down, getting stuck between the crevices located in the intestinal track - thereby causing the toxic wastes to ferment and putrefy.

Critics claim that there's no evidence to support such contentions. Nearly all foods are themselves combinations. If you eat beans, for example, you're getting carbohydrates (sugars and starches), protein and fiber, among other things. Bread combines protein, carbohydrates, a little fat and many other things. A simple dish like macaroni and cheese, a peanut butter sandwich, or oatmeal with milk contains sugars, starches, protein and fat. Our digestive system handles food combinations very efficiently. The process begins in the mouth as we chew food and saliva acts upon it, beginning the breakdown of starches into sugars. Other enzymes come into play along the line, resulting in almost complete digestion and absorption of nutrients, no matter how they are combined.


Posted by: 1005 (Guest), Monday, May 7, 2007, 11:05pm; Reply: 32
Namelessfemm: thank you for that!  I'd come across that answer from Dr D before, but I couldn't remember where I'd read it...You sorted out the mystery  ;D
Posted by: 152 (Guest), Monday, May 7, 2007, 11:16pm; Reply: 33
Oh Itita~!!  It's my pleasure~!!  

Have a FABULOUS day~!!

^_^
Posted by: 1005 (Guest), Tuesday, May 8, 2007, 9:34am; Reply: 34
Quoted Text
Have a FABULOUS day~!!


;D

You too!  And also everyone on the BTD: since I started every day seems to be getting a bit better: it's wonderful!

:K)
Posted by: 571 (Guest), Friday, May 11, 2007, 6:01am; Reply: 35
Recently I started to separate carbs and proteins, but what about fats? I like to add olive oil in my vegetables and eat it with proteins. Is it ok?
Posted by: 152 (Guest), Friday, May 11, 2007, 11:15am; Reply: 36
I read through the FAQ's recently - and it answered my question completely - hope it does for you too :K)

Quoted from FAQ's (from this site) answered by Dr D

Are you an advocate of "food combining"?

I am aware that many practitioners use food combining as part of their dietary recommendations. I do not, simply because the blood type diets do specifically what food combining attempts to do non-specifically.

Proponents of food combining claim that correct food combinations are important for proper digestion, utilization, and assimilation of the nutrients our body needs to sustain life. Different foods require different digestive enzymes to aid in the digestive process - some acid, some alkaline. When acid and alkaline foods come in contact, they neutralize each other and retard digestion. If the food we eat is not properly digested, it will pass through the intestinal tract without being completely broken down, getting stuck between the crevices located in the intestinal track - thereby causing the toxic wastes to ferment and putrefy.

Critics claim that there's no evidence to support such contentions. Nearly all foods are themselves combinations. If you eat beans, for example, you're getting carbohydrates (sugars and starches), protein and fiber, among other things. Bread combines protein, carbohydrates, a little fat and many other things. A simple dish like macaroni and cheese, a peanut butter sandwich, or oatmeal with milk contains sugars, starches, protein and fat. Our digestive system handles food combinations very efficiently. The process begins in the mouth as we chew food and saliva acts upon it, beginning the breakdown of starches into sugars. Other enzymes come into play along the line, resulting in almost complete digestion and absorption of nutrients, no matter how they are combined.


The begining has been so challenging for me - my body is going through alot of changes....it's very good patience practice for an O ;) :P ;)

^_^
Posted by: 571 (Guest), Friday, May 11, 2007, 6:04pm; Reply: 37
I've found this text in my copy of Eat right 4 your type under common questions (Apendix B of the book):
quote
    IS FOOD COMBINING HELPFUL ON THE BLOOD TYPE DIET?

    Some diet plans recommend food combining, which involves eating certain food groups in combination for better digestion. Many of these books are full of bunk and hokum, with a lot of unnecessary rules and regulations. Perhaps the only real food-combining rule is to avoid eating animal proteins, such as meats, with large amounts of starches, such as breads and potatoes. This is important because animal products are digested in the stomach in a high-acid environment, while starches are digested in the intestines in a high-alkaline environment. When these foods are combined, the body alternately nibbles at the protein, then the starch, then back to the protein, then back to the starch; not a very efficient method. By keeping these food groups separated, the stomach can concentrate its full functions on the job at hand. Substitute low-starch, high-fibre vegetable side dishes, such as greens. Protein-starch avoidance doesn't apply to tofu and other vegetable proteins, which are essentially predigested.
end of quote
Posted by: Susana, Friday, May 11, 2007, 7:27pm; Reply: 38
I have no problems when I have sweet potatos or other vegetable starch with my animal protein.

When I combine grains with animal protein I feel my stomach distended and I tend to feel sleepy and, if I have a little extra of grains I also feel drained after half hour. If the amount of grain is small then I do fine.

Fruit after a meal gives me flatulence if i have had grains with animal protein.

:K)
Posted by: 152 (Guest), Friday, May 11, 2007, 7:30pm; Reply: 39
WOW - Susana - how long did it take for you to figure all that out?  I wanna be where you are....knowing my body inside and out...=T

^_^
Posted by: Lola, Friday, May 11, 2007, 7:51pm; Reply: 40
andrej,
fats are neutral in food combining.
add those to either starch or protein.
Posted by: Susana, Saturday, May 12, 2007, 6:25pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from namelessfemm
WOW - Susana - how long did it take for you to figure all that out? I wanna be where you are....knowing my body inside and out...=T

^_^


On the 5th year of BTD. It has been easy. It is so obvious ::) Unfortunately not because I know my body inside and out. I wish I did. I would surely have fewer avoids ;D

:K)
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