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Posted by: Ellie, Friday, April 27, 2007, 11:05pm
I found this on my internet travels, reminded me that as a B I may be prone to magnesium deficiency, isn't it amazing what a lack of one vitamin/mineral can do?
(i certainly have some of the problems listed).

http://forum.t-tapp.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=32662

Anyone taking or has taken magnesium, how long till you notice if it's made a difference (i know, this could be like asking "how long's a piece of string?") ?
Posted by: Lola, Friday, April 27, 2007, 11:13pm; Reply: 1
instant relief from muscle cramps for me!!
Posted by: 1328 (Guest), Saturday, April 28, 2007, 12:02am; Reply: 2
I was also depleted of Magnesium. I started taking magnesium about a week and a half ago.  I noticed within three days I was feeling much better from it....sleeping better and my body was handling the complex carbs a whole lot better.  I feel more balanced.  
Posted by: veggiegirl, Saturday, April 28, 2007, 12:17am; Reply: 3
Quoted from Ellie
I found this on my internet travels, reminded me that as a B I may be prone to magnesium deficiency, isn't it amazing what a lack of one vitamin/mineral can do?
(i certainly have some of the problems listed).

http://forum.t-tapp.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=32662

Anyone taking or has taken magnesium, how long till you notice if it's made a difference (i know, this could be like asking "how long's a piece of string?") ?


Thank you for sharing this link.  Very informative.  I always heard that magnesium caused constipation which used to be a problem for me pre-BTD so I always stayed away from it.  May need to re-consider as I do have some of the symptoms listed.  :o

Posted by: Lola, Saturday, April 28, 2007, 12:23am; Reply: 4
read somewhere that people with high blood pressure are deficient in magnesium.

also that Magnesium is the one deficient in people with Candida.

also chocolate cravings could be related to
magnesium deficiency - cocoa is very high in
magnesium, important to getting deep, restful sleep.


has anyone succesfully made tofu out of soy bean paste and magnesium clorur?


Posted by: veggiegirl, Saturday, April 28, 2007, 12:31am; Reply: 5
[quote=lola]
also chocolate cravings could be related to
quote]

Definitely have that craving ... perhaps I should "chomp" on some mag supps so I'm not constantly chomping on chocolate!  ;D

Posted by: honeybee, Saturday, April 28, 2007, 3:36am; Reply: 6
mm, Interesting article, hav had some magnesium questions too..
What is the difference between chelated magnesium and other sources that you may find in supps?
And, is it a good idea to take a magnesium supp that has calcium and B6 also in it?

Magnesium has been the only thing that stops my chronic itchyness. There is nothing there on my skin per se, just this constant desire to scratch a very itchy back and shoulders...but when i have the magnesium i get some relief.
Alas, i have had to take quite allot to keep it away (1x 500mg, 4-5 times daily first week, now 3 times per day)

still craving chocolate though :)
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, April 28, 2007, 4:55am; Reply: 7
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calcium and magnesium inversely affect each other so when high in one you are usually lower in the other and most people are actually magnesium deficient.  The ratio of calcium to magnesium is said to be about 2:1 or 1000mg of Calcium and 400mg of Magnesium for those 19-35 years of age.  Vitamin D helps for calcium absorbtion and also boron.  Magnesium plays a part in potassium in the body by activating the sodium/potassium pumps in the cells to allow for potassium to flow through.  So when you take magnesium your potassium increases but when you take potassium only your potassium increases and not your magnesium.
Posted by: Ellie, Saturday, April 28, 2007, 10:01am; Reply: 8
I found a few magnesium tablets in the cupboard, so took 3 last night, these are in what's called "true food" form, where apparently it has been "bio-transformed by a culture of Saccarromyces cerevisiae,forming natural organic bonds in a true food form" It therefore apparently supplies "beta glucans,glutathione,choline,inositol,B vitamins,amino acids & other phytonutrients.." :o What I noticed was my chest seemed not quite so tight, & I did feel a bit calmer.

I have also started finishing off (!) my multi-vitamins also languishing in the cupboard, to try and keep everything in balance.

This morning I took 1 magnesium with breakfast & i have just taken 1 now. The article says a sign the body has had enough is loose bowels (I've read the same about vit C) so that should be an easy way to monitor. Only thing is I only have enough for maybe today & part of tomorrow, so I have to look into getting some more.

anyway, it looks like magnesium can have an effect quite quickly which is good.

kawab, i'm not sure what chelated means, i'm sure somebody does, but the dr in this particular article reckons there is no benefit to it. She also says she takes different types of magnesium. Also if you read the responses to the article there are some interesting stories of people's responses to calcium & magnesium...Glad it's helping with the itching!
Posted by: veggiegirl, Saturday, April 28, 2007, 9:21pm; Reply: 9
What chelate form means:
"Magnesium Chelate (Amino Acid): A chemically reacted magnesium ion, bound to 1 or more amino acids, thus allowing the magnesium to enter through the intestinal wall via the amino acid pathway rather than active magnesium diffusion. A true reacted chelate differs from simply mixing the amino acids and minerals which is often referred to as "chelated"."

Posted by: Kristin, Saturday, April 28, 2007, 9:48pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from veggiegirl


Thank you for sharing this link.  Very informative.  I always heard that magnesium caused constipation which used to be a problem for me pre-BTD so I always stayed away from it.  May need to re-consider as I do have some of the symptoms listed.  :o



Quoted from Ellie

The article says a sign the body has had enough is loose bowels (I've read the same about vit C) so that should be an easy way to monitor. Only thing is I only have enough for maybe today & part of tomorrow, so I have to look into getting some more.


I always get loose stools in the morning when I have more that 800 mg of magnesium at bedtime. It doesn't last long though... just enough so you notice... 'oh yes... too much mag'  ;D And I bet I could tolerate more if I didn't take it all at once.


::)  ;)
Posted by: Ellie, Monday, April 30, 2007, 4:37pm; Reply: 11
Thanks for the replies, even though i only took 1 mag tablet yesterday my chest was not as tight as it has been, (just had other things to deal with!  :() so i will definitely buy some more, and play around with the amount.

Kristin, hope you and your family are all well. 800mg does sound a lot to take at once, i have to say :o

Veggiegirl, thank you for the descripton of what chelated means, can't say i understand why some say that would be better form, unless it means more magnesium could be utilised. ??).oh well, i shan't lose sleep over it  :)
Posted by: accidental_chef, Friday, June 8, 2007, 7:22am; Reply: 12
I got a bottle of Magnesium for an A, but noticed that it has gelatin, potato starch, magnesium silicate, purified water, MCT, croscarmellose sodium, mag aspartate and silica. Yes, and Magnesium (from magnesium oxide) 400mg.

Could someone advise if the above is OK? I'm worried about the gelatin & potato starch.

Thanks!
Posted by: Alek, Friday, June 8, 2007, 10:13am; Reply: 13

doesn't sound right, why don't you get just Magnesium citrate.

alek
Posted by: The Pen, Friday, June 8, 2007, 2:17pm; Reply: 14
I thought the taking of magnesium is only useful in combination with Calcium und vitamin D. The body isn't able to stable /storage magnesium without that .
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Friday, June 8, 2007, 2:58pm; Reply: 15
:o :o :o 800mg's of mg in one gulp......::) no wonder that you've had to run onto the WC....he-he-heee, dearle would go for the half ::) (Kristin-chen :D )


a_c... do you want to try to get your potatoes that way in ??) ;) ;D ;D ;D.....yum-yum ;) :D
Posted by: Kristin, Friday, June 8, 2007, 3:23pm; Reply: 16
Well, Isalein...

In the Menopause book, Dr.D recommends as part of the bone and structural support protocol:

magnesium:

350 mg
2 capsules
twice daily

So I take that to read.... 2 350mg capsules taken twice a day... am I right? Or am I reading that wrong.....  :-/

so really... I am only taking a little over half the recommended dose daily.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Friday, June 8, 2007, 3:56pm; Reply: 17
yeppers, dearle but please not at the same time ::)  for one gulp about 3-400 mg's is ok but then...ya should have a little time for the next gulp ;) ...hmmmm may I say +- 6-8 hours ??) ;) ;D :D ....

or even better is 2-250mg's 4x daily but all 3 hours for ex. :D ....of course I never would allow to interact to Peters' written word ;)  :o :B :X....never...ever.......(smarty)(naughty)(hand)(dance)(shhh)(think)(whistle) :K) :K) :K)
Posted by: Kristin, Friday, June 8, 2007, 7:39pm; Reply: 18
I agree with you, Isadearle  :K)


However... I am like most people and if I had to take supplements 4xday... it might happen...oh... about once a week.  :-/

I am lousy!!! at remembering to take supplements. I just don't like to do it. So I am best at either a first thing in the morning or last thing at night routine. Otherwise, it is hit and miss. You know me... I can't stand anything too regimented. And heaven forbid I have to come in from watching the grass grow just to pop a magnesium capsule.  ::) ;D :K)
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Friday, June 8, 2007, 9:53pm; Reply: 19
ahaaa...onto the grass is growing the magnesium capsule??) ;) ;D...so hap ..and gulp it down while  watching ;) :D ;D



                              :K) :K) :K)
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, June 9, 2007, 3:19am; Reply: 20
Quoted from veggiegirl


Thank you for sharing this link.  Very informative.  I always heard that magnesium caused constipation which used to be a problem for me pre-BTD so I always stayed away from it.  May need to re-consider as I do have some of the symptoms listed.  :o



The opposite is actually true.  Magnesium softens stools and if you take too much magnesium, you will know from "running" to the bathroom too often.  
;)
Posted by: Mrs. Rodgers, Saturday, June 9, 2007, 6:53am; Reply: 21
I have the book Magnesium Miracle and Dr. Dean says in her book that magnesium oxide, while good as a laxative, is the least absorbable form of magnesium.  Magnesium Malate with malic acid is a form she recommends, also transdermal magnesium chloride, which you can spray on your skin.  That way it can be absorbed into the cells without the problem of loose stools.  This is where I got my Magnesium Oil as it is called:  

http://www.internationalhealth.net/Page8.html

I've noticed a decrease in seasonal and cat allergies, and iincreased energy.  I've only been using a small amount for a month but they also claim it increases DHEA levels in the skin and repairs sun damaged skin in a few months so we'll see.  
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Saturday, June 9, 2007, 7:51am; Reply: 22
best of bioavailabilities...are : mg-orotat, mg-citrat and mg-aspartat ;) :D (smarty)(whistle)
Posted by: accidental_chef, Monday, June 11, 2007, 1:05pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from accidental_chef
I got a bottle of Magnesium for an A, but noticed that it has gelatin, potato starch, magnesium silicate, purified water, MCT, croscarmellose sodium, mag aspartate and silica. Yes, and Magnesium (from magnesium oxide) 400mg.

Could someone advise if the above is OK? I'm worried about the gelatin & potato starch.

Thanks!


I returned the above and got liquid calcium-magnesium citrate. 1 table spoon of it contains 300mg magnesium and 600mg calcium. Let's see how my dear A reacts to it.

Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Monday, June 11, 2007, 1:24pm; Reply: 24
What about Peter Gillham's 'Natural Calm'?

3 tsp in a cup of warm water provides 615 mg of elemental magnesium citrate.

Would this be as good as the spray on oil?
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Monday, June 11, 2007, 9:01pm; Reply: 25
Mrs. Rodgers, would you keep us posted about the magnesium oil you're using and what you think about it?  You can keep me informed, if you want to, by private message.  I would really appreciate it.  I read the site you provided for us.  Thanks.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Tuesday, June 12, 2007, 1:37am; Reply: 26
Quoted from funkymuse
What about Peter Gillham's 'Natural Calm'?

3 tsp in a cup of warm water provides 615 mg of elemental magnesium citrate.

Would this be as good as the spray on oil?


Yes I'm anxious to try the Magnesium Oil as well but I'm waiting to see how my levels are as my NP just ordered a full vit/mineral level test on me.  

But again... I am using the Natural Calm as shown above... anyone else????
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Tuesday, June 12, 2007, 7:29pm; Reply: 27
This thread revved me up so much I just went to Amazon and ordered two books about magnesium.  One was "The Magnesium Miracle" by Carolyn Dean and the other was "Transdermal Magnesium Therapy" by Mark Sircus.

I take magnesium twice a day in capsule form but now I'm especially intrigued by this transdermal method using magnesium "oil."
Posted by: Jane, Tuesday, June 12, 2007, 8:17pm; Reply: 28
It sounds too good to be true!  I'll be very interested to hear how it works.  
Jane
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, June 12, 2007, 9:30pm; Reply: 29
I'm also interested in hearing about the long term results of the Magnesium oil.

My daughter likes Peter Gillham's Cal/Mag fizzy powder.  It's the same as the Natual Calm with the addition of Calcium.
Posted by: Mrs. Rodgers, Wednesday, June 13, 2007, 7:20am; Reply: 30
I will let you know how the magnesium oil goes.  Right now I'm noticing some moles got itchy and I scratched and they came off!  A small one on my chin that has been there for ever and one on my side that got extra magnesium oil dripped on it when I spritzed my armpits. (Magnesium is supposed to be antimicrobial so you can use it as a deodorant.  Works pretty good.)  Anyway, 2 moles down, many others to go.

Lots of research backs up the Magnesium Miracle book.  The transdermal one also sounds interesting.  I mostly spritz it on (I diluted mine with half rose water because that's what was in my spray bottle and it makes it aroma therapy as well.  I did put some in the bath when I was pretty sore after gardening for 7 hours and it helped and then I was back at it again for 6 hours the next day, and 4 hours today (why did I start so many plants last winter!!!??? I planted 54 blue flax plants!  Soon I will be surrounded by clouds of blue flowers, that's why.)   Magnesium is supposed to increase the energy production  of the cell and I think it does.

Victoria knows I was taking maca root for hot flashes, but after a while it quit working.  I remembered she mentioned to take a break from it for a while and then it will work again.  While on that break, I started the magnesium oil and then I noticed hey!, hot flashes are gone again without the maca!  Then I read somewhere that magnesium is also involved in temperature regulation.

This guinea pig will let you know if there are any more new developments.  
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Wednesday, June 13, 2007, 5:18pm; Reply: 31
Dear Ms. Guinea Pig  ;D  I can't wait to hear more from you.  I'm eagerly awaiting my books from Amazon.  After reading these posts I know I'm going to use the magnesium oil, I just want to read the books first. ;)
Posted by: Kristin, Wednesday, June 13, 2007, 5:49pm; Reply: 32
Very interesting information... thanks all!!   :K)


Magnesium had always been a mystery for me as for most of my adult life my mag levels had always been low, while my calcium was always smack dab in the middle of normal range. This frustrated me for many years as I had been taking a cal/mag supplement like a good girl since my early thirties. I had a lightbulb moment when I first read back in Eat Right that B's tend to have lower levels of magnesium. Since then I have been trying different ratios of cal to mag with varying degrees of success. But I hadn't heard of transdermal use of magnesium and the magnesium oil sounds so interesting!! I hope it works for you Mrs. Rodgers!!! Please keep us informed!!!
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, June 13, 2007, 5:52pm; Reply: 33
Fascinating, Mrs. Rodgers!  I'll be watching for your updates.
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Monday, June 18, 2007, 7:33pm; Reply: 34
So, guess what?!  I just ordered a small amount of magnesium oil to try out.  I was very impressed with my two books.  I haven't finished reading the one by Carolyn Dean, yet, but I'll probably read it as fast as I read the one by Mark Sircus.  I am very excited to try this out and I really expect to notice results since I am a B.  It's very hard to get the mag supplement just right as too much will cause loose stools and who wants to put up with that! :P  I can understand, now, that the mag "oil" will not cause the same problem.

I believe I will follow Mrs. Rodgers' method and dilute the "oil."  I'm going to use distilled water.  I thought about just spraying the armpits but, who knows, I might end up spraying it everywhere and having myself a really good time of it  ;D  Soaking in the bathtub sounds pretty inviting, too.
Posted by: pipnjohn, Tuesday, June 19, 2007, 9:13am; Reply: 35
Quoted from New_Hampshire_Girl
So, guess what?!  I just ordered a small amount of magnesium oil to try out.  


So did we, oil and gel!

The BTD has proved to be good for most of our ageing ailments but nothing seems to work for our skin, so we are going to give this a go.

Also I have severe pain in my spine due to degeneration so we hope this may give some relief too.

Rubbing magnesium chloride 45% oral solution onto the skin on my legs worked a treat so we rubbed some onto the skin of my back where the pain is worst and it seemed to help ease the pain a bit.

Imagination? Perhaps but we shall see when the order arrives!   ::)  Cheers, John.
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Tuesday, June 19, 2007, 7:49pm; Reply: 36
That sounds encouraging, Pipnjohn!  I'm getting very excited to try this mag oil.  Did you read those books I mentioned or were you encouraged by this thread?
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Tuesday, June 19, 2007, 8:25pm; Reply: 37
Sounds so interesting-
I don´t think I have ever seen magnesium oil in the health shops here... will have to look again - thanks for the info....
Posted by: pipnjohn, Wednesday, June 20, 2007, 1:38am; Reply: 38
Quoted from New_Hampshire_Girl
That sounds encouraging, Pipnjohn!  I'm getting very excited to try this mag oil.  Did you read those books I mentioned or were you encouraged by this thread?


Encouraged by the information on this thread and the Webb link info.

I have been taking 2.5 to 5.0mg of Mag chloride at night so I tried rubbing some into the skin on my legs and it made a big difference to my skin but I have run out now, so am waiting for the order from the States to come. Cheers John.
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Wednesday, June 20, 2007, 11:37am; Reply: 39
Good, Pipnjohn!  Very encouraging.  As for the books, I'm going to pay more attention to the lists of foods that are high in magnesium.  I can see that I have neglected eating some of the good ones lately.  Can't have that!!  By the way, do you play the bagpipes?
Posted by: pipnjohn, Thursday, June 21, 2007, 4:27am; Reply: 40
Quoted from New_Hampshire_Girl
Good, Pipnjohn!  Very encouraging.  As for the books, I'm going to pay more attention to the lists of foods that are high in magnesium.  I can see that I have neglected eating some of the good ones lately.  Can't have that!!  By the way, do you play the bagpipes?


You had me stumped there for a while, it's Pip (my wife Philippa) and (n) John   ;)

There are some who would say I am a bag of wind, but no, I am not a piper! (lol)   ;D

I just used the it when I joined the Webb site because I didn't know what else to do at the time.

Never even thought of what it could mean to any one else.   ??) Cheers John.

Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Thursday, June 21, 2007, 12:29pm; Reply: 41
I think Philippa is a beautiful name!  Pip-n-john!  Hey, that's really cute!  :)  I like the bagpipes but don't know anyone, personally, who plays them.

I received the mag oil yesterday and slathered some on last night before bed.  Slept well but too early to know if I can attribute it to mag oil or not.  I'm excited to have it and will try it different ways.  I did dilute it half-and-half with distilled water.  So, that's the latest with me and mag oil.  Just keeping everybody posted.  8)
Posted by: Drea, Thursday, June 21, 2007, 1:46pm; Reply: 42
Quoted from New_Hampshire_Girl
I received the mag oil yesterday and slathered some on last night before bed.  Slept well but too early to know if I can attribute it to mag oil or not.  I'm excited to have it and will try it different ways.  I did dilute it half-and-half with distilled water.  So, that's the latest with me and mag oil.  Just keeping everybody posted.  8)

I'm curious as to what you are hoping the Mag oil will do for you. I'm also wondering if it would do anything for circulation issues/tissue repair. I'm torn between spending my dollars on emu oil or mag oil...
Posted by: Colleen, Thursday, June 21, 2007, 1:55pm; Reply: 43
I take the Natural Calm but not on a regular basis but am now going to be doing that as I have been diagnosed with diverticulitis - thought it was some after effects of my colon resection 4 yrs ago but when I think back on it ... yep, it was the start of this situation.

I am under a huge amount of stress right now and the other day I started with the chest burns - that tells me I'm over the top with stress.  Downed a cuppa Natural Calm and voila !  within minutes the pains were gone.  I only do about 1 tsp in a half cup of water.  Realized that it was a help with the elimination process of my digestion I decided it would definitely help with the diver. situation.

After reading theT-Tap link article I can see where I've been deficient in mag for years and years based on the list in the side bar.

I'm moving tomorrow (only one of the stressors in my life) and taking about 10 or 12 days off from my f/t job.  As well as unpacking I'm planning to get busy and get myself firmly planted on the BTD again.  I seemed to have slipped a little, a little more, a little more than that, OMG how did I end up in a 20/80 situation??  when it s/b an 80/20 ... climbing back up outta da hole and back into the healthy world.  Magnesium is going to be a part of this climb back to health.
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Thursday, June 21, 2007, 2:56pm; Reply: 44
What transdermal mag "oil" can do for me is to make sure I have enough magnesium.  In reading the books I mentioned earlier I am realizing that little by little I have been eating less magnesium-containing foods.  For instance, I stopped eating almonds and brazil nuts because hard nuts hurt my jaw and it wants to lock up.  I used to eat peanuts but since learning I'm a B I can't eat them anymore.  I used to every day eat wheat germ and whole wheat but since beginning BTD I don't do that anymore, either.  I read both books thoroughly and I can see I have cheated myself on the magnesium side and I had forgotten just how important mag is for us.  

The transdermal method is gentle and does not purge the system as too much oral magnesium is capable of doing.
Posted by: Drea, Thursday, June 21, 2007, 3:16pm; Reply: 45
Quoted from New_Hampshire_Girl
What transdermal mag "oil" can do for me is to make sure I have enough magnesium.  In reading the books I mentioned earlier I am realizing that little by little I have been eating less magnesium-containing foods.  For instance, I stopped eating almonds and brazil nuts because hard nuts hurt my jaw and it wants to lock up.  I used to eat peanuts but since learning I'm a B I can't eat them anymore.  I used to every day eat wheat germ and whole wheat but since beginning BTD I don't do that anymore, either.  I read both books thoroughly and I can see I have cheated myself on the magnesium side and I had forgotten just how important mag is for us.  

The transdermal method is gentle and does not purge the system as too much oral magnesium is capable of doing.


Got it. Thanks!
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Thursday, June 21, 2007, 4:09pm; Reply: 46
You're welcome!  :) 8)
Posted by: 697 (Guest), Sunday, July 1, 2007, 3:57am; Reply: 47
How's the mag oil experiment going?  :)
Posted by: pipnjohn, Sunday, July 1, 2007, 7:41am; Reply: 48
Quoted from scout
How's the mag oil experiment going?  :)


Well, we have received our order and have begun to use it.

Believe it or not I have experienced a reduction in the pains in my back already!

I can walk more freely than at any time having Physio and taking painkillers from an MD.

The pain killers and Physio were stopped a week ago because I had to have a colonoscopy. (clear too thanks to BTD)

We will keep you posted. Cheers John.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, July 1, 2007, 11:02am; Reply: 49
wavies  to my NT friend with this lovely name pipnjoh ;) :K) (clap)(dance)(dance)(clap)(smarty) sweethart.... why don't ya look also once upon your times into the Riso's enneagrmmm what 1/9 means ;) :D.....and also some fine informations from Dr. Sarno: mind over backpain...would fit as well :K) (dance) :K) :K) :K)


                                          ;D :) :D


I know... I know it...I'd choose the roole of * enfant terrible* but this with pleasure ;D ;)
Posted by: 697 (Guest), Sunday, July 1, 2007, 10:08pm; Reply: 50
That's great, John!  I'm going to order this week from the Health and Wisdom site.  :)
Posted by: 697 (Guest), Monday, July 2, 2007, 12:59pm; Reply: 51
Quoted from Mrs._Rodgers
I have the book Magnesium Miracle and Dr. Dean says in her book that magnesium oxide, while good as a laxative, is the least absorbable form of magnesium.  Magnesium Malate with malic acid is a form she recommends, also transdermal magnesium chloride, which you can spray on your skin.  That way it can be absorbed into the cells without the problem of loose stools.  This is where I got my Magnesium Oil as it is called:  

http://www.internationalhealth.net/Page8.html

I've noticed a decrease in seasonal and cat allergies, and iincreased energy.  I've only been using a small amount for a month but they also claim it increases DHEA levels in the skin and repairs sun damaged skin in a few months so we'll see.  


What do they charge for their mag products?  I couldn't find any pricing   ??)
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Monday, July 2, 2007, 1:35pm; Reply: 52
Hi everyone, I'm ready to check in with my results!  I went to the web site of http://www.oceanmagnesium.com and ordered 8 ounces of magnesium oil. That was approx. 2 weeks ago.  The order came fast, too!  :D  I poured half the liquid into a clean bottle for further use.  I filled up the half-remainder of the original bottle with distilled water. Then I bought a small spray bottle that I could handle easily and I fill that with the diluted mag oil.  I have been squirting myself every evening before bed with this "oil", let it dry and then plunk myself into bed for the night.  

I have been sleeping like a baby!!(dance) ever since.  This is great stuff!  One night in the middle of the night I awoke with nervous tension in my right leg.  This stems from the area of the sacroiliac which gives me trouble at night.  So, I decided to give this mag oil a real test.  I got up, reached for the mag oil and squirted that leg and thigh all over.  Really covered it! ;)  Then I went back to bed and waited with a bit of scepticism (okay, maybe a lot of scepticism) but truly within 5 minutes I could feel the nerves in that leg putting themselves to sleep ;D so I said why don't I go to sleep, too ;D   Honestly, it was so miraculous, I couldn't believe it.  I slept the rest of that night very peacefully.

So, now, I have cut down my doses of magnesium tablets during the day so that now I take only 200 mg twice a day.  I am very confident in this mag oil.  I believe starting tonight I won't squirt the whole body, just from the hips on down.  The stuff is a little gummy feeling.

I'm interested in hearing what Mrs. Rodgers has to say, also.  I did read Dr. Dean's book and also Mark Sircus' book.  Very valuable books!

Pipin John, I think the results you are getting are fabulous.  So happy for you and I'm happy to learn everything I can about the use of the mag oil.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Monday, July 2, 2007, 2:37pm; Reply: 53
Well that's it... I went and ordered the Mag Oil, gel and bath crystals!  :)

Also.. which book is better to read?  I've seen three recommended and I only have time to read one.... anybody?

thanks!
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Monday, July 2, 2007, 2:43pm; Reply: 54
Quoted from scout


What do they charge for their mag products?  I couldn't find any pricing   ??)


Go to the link that is titled Online Store and you can go to the Magnesium products from there and get pricing.  They are much more reasonable than the other site.
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Monday, July 2, 2007, 4:07pm; Reply: 55
Well, funkymuse, I would say get the book by Mark Sircus.  There is more detail in there about transdermal magnesium.  He does, in fact, quote Dr. Dean quite often so you will get some of her wisdom in this book, too.  Dean's book is good for various lists, such as a listing of foods high in magnesium, etc.  The two books actually are a good complement to each other.
Posted by: Kristin, Monday, July 2, 2007, 4:21pm; Reply: 56
You could check both books out from the library and just glean whatever information you need from both. ;D

I am currently reading Dr. Dean's book (from the library) ;) It gives information on the importance of magnesium, what functions it serves in the human body and the problems that may arise in a lack of magnesium and also what types of oral magnesium are most effective ie: mag citrate is the one with laxative effects, how much magnesium is in an oral tablet... that your body excretes 50% of an oral mag supplement, the difficulty in getting an accurate assessment of magnesium levels through blood tests etc. All really good info... but not something I would purchase if you are looking for a book to buy. Just mho....

Looking forward to reading the Sircus book soon..........
Posted by: Kristin, Monday, July 2, 2007, 4:33pm; Reply: 57
Also... check out MoDon's thread on heavy metal contaminants in supplements... magnesium is one that is more likely to be contaminated. As I posted in the thread, the magnesium supplement I currently use claims it has been tested for heavy metals and solvent residues.


http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?,v=display,b=pres,m=1181655187

Oh... and thanks for the update New Hampshire Girl!!!!!  :D
Posted by: Mrs. Rodgers, Monday, July 2, 2007, 5:24pm; Reply: 58
Hi everyone.  Wow, fun to hear about everyone's mag oil.  I'm still using it too and didn't post because I didn't think much was going on but after reviewing the last 2 weeks, I realized, I was taking being a little more normal for granted.  

Chemical sensitivities:  I've been traveling and usually I take my own down pillows with me because those synthetic pillows (and blankets) in hotels cause a reaction, irregular heartbeats to be specific.  Well, I forgot my pillows and did just fine with the synthetic ones!  (I still rip those blankets that look like plastic off the beds.)  Even with my own pillows, I never felt good staying in hotels, everything is bad, those pillowtop mattresses in the high end hotels, who knows what's in those, those old cheap saggy ones--ewww.  Anyway, not to have irregular heartbeats and not be exhausted until I get home to my own bed is amazing.

Allergies:  I brushed my old (16 years) outside cat Moonie, (actually all four of our cats are outside cats because of my allergies).  It just hit me that fur was flying everywhere and I didn't sneeze and my nose didn't get stuffed up.  

Skin:  The small mole on my chin that became itchy and that I then scratched off (I know "yuk") gone without a scar.  Another small one above my eye brow, the same thing is happening.  Kinda weird, one mole at a time, but still it's great.  Some moles under my armpit, slightly itching.  

I gave some to my sister and she's just been spraying her legs and she says this large raised mole on her leg is getting irritated and itchy.  

Maybe it is true that the Mag oil does increase the DHEA in the skin.  Sure seems like it.  I ordered a gallon because I wanted to start adding it to my bath, which I do in the mornings.  I guess because I'm vain, I've been doing a facial treatment in the evenings.  I apply it liberally to my face and neck full strength and leave it there until it drys, then rinse off.  It does burn slightly.  Then I apply pure shea butter.  I'm hoping the age spots and sun damage will improve.  We'll see.  



Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Monday, July 2, 2007, 7:52pm; Reply: 59
Oh boy, Mrs. Rodgers, I want to hear about age spots!!!  Do let us know if you have improvement in those. ;)

Thanks for the update on your use of mag "oil."  It's true we all need magnesium but I found it tough to get the right amount in pill form and I'm very thankful to learn about the transdermal method.  In fact, I'm very excited about this subject!

You're welcome, Kristin.  Thanks for all the info you give us. :)
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Monday, July 2, 2007, 10:46pm; Reply: 60
I haven't read any of the books  yet, but why do the moles fall off?  Is this a safe way to get rid of them?  And do you specifically place the oil on the moles to achieve this end?
Posted by: Mrs. Rodgers, Tuesday, July 3, 2007, 6:42am; Reply: 61
Quoted from funkymuse
I haven't read any of the books  yet, but why do the moles fall off?  Is this a safe way to get rid of them?  And do you specifically place the oil on the moles to achieve this end?


I don't know for sure.  I read that moles are caused by a virus and that magnesium is an antimicrobial so maybe that's why.  Or maybe raising the DHEA and magnesium levels in the skin makes it healthier and able to fight viruses.

Two years ago a friend gave me some Two Feathers Healing Formula which I applied to 2 large moles, one on my neck and one on my arm pit.  It took 10 days for them to fall off and I was in pain the whole time (burning). I wouldn't recommend it. The magnesium oil was painless.  

I applied the magnesium oil to my face, neck, armpits, arms and legs via spray bottle, than applied lotion after.
Posted by: purlgirl, Tuesday, July 3, 2007, 8:14pm; Reply: 62
Going out right now to get the book. Definately plan to try this M oil
Posted by: 697 (Guest), Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 3:23am; Reply: 63
I followed the link in this thread to the T-Tapp forum and purchased from a lovely lady named Joan at this site below.  
I hesitate to tell you how much less I paid for a gallon of magnesium oil from Health and Wisdom  :o


http://www.health-and-wisdom.com/magnesium.htm
Posted by: Mrs. Rodgers, Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 4:39am; Reply: 64
Thanks so much for the other source of Magnesium oil.  About half the price, not bad.  Now we know why your name is Scout!
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 1:57pm; Reply: 65
Thank you so much, Scout, for that web site.  I enjoyed reading the testimonials, too. I know my next order will be through this site.  Thanks again! :)
Posted by: 697 (Guest), Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 2:17pm; Reply: 66
;D  You're so very welcome!  I love finding the best deals,  it's in my DNA.... :B
Posted by: mhameline, Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 2:22pm; Reply: 67
I'm so glad I came across this thread - my husband has been suffering from migranes and that's one of the symptoms of mag deficiency - and he's a B - which I also now know they are more prone to the deficincy to begin with.  I'm going to be getting some suppliments right away for us both.  
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 4:49pm; Reply: 68
This is a great discussion.  Thanks to all of you who are being our Guinea Pigs and reporting your findings and experiences back to us!  
Posted by: 782 (Guest), Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 6:18pm; Reply: 69
What forms of magnesium have you felt the most benefit from?
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 6:44pm; Reply: 70
Without a doubt, transdermal magnesium chloride.  See the site listed by Scout.
Posted by: 782 (Guest), Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 6:54pm; Reply: 71
Thanks. That idea makes a good case for just soaking in epsom salts in the bath too. (Magnesium chloride)
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 7:08pm; Reply: 72
OUCH!  :'(

I wish I would have gotten the cheaper prices!  At least I didn't order the gallon from the International Health site!  Next time I'm going to Health and Wisdom!

Posted by: 697 (Guest), Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 10:37pm; Reply: 73
Quoted from researchingthings
Thanks. That idea makes a good case for just soaking in epsom salts in the bath too. (Magnesium chloride)


I believe that Epsom salts is magnesium sulfate.   :)
Posted by: 697 (Guest), Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 10:38pm; Reply: 74
Quoted from researchingthings
What forms of magnesium have you felt the most benefit from?


I ordered magnesium chloride--I'll keep you posted!
Click on the link on the first post in this thread--there are about 28 pages of scoop!   :o  ;D
Posted by: 697 (Guest), Wednesday, July 4, 2007, 10:40pm; Reply: 75
Quoted from Victoria


The opposite is actually true.  Magnesium softens stools and if you take too much magnesium, you will know from "running" to the bathroom too often.  
;)


Except the transdermal magnesium chloride causes no laxative effect (or is it affect)?   ;D
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, July 5, 2007, 5:00am; Reply: 76
Transdermal Mag does not Affect bowel movements.

Transdermal Mag has no Effect on bowel movements.

:-)  

:-)
Posted by: 697 (Guest), Thursday, July 5, 2007, 12:12pm; Reply: 77
Quoted from Victoria
Transdermal Mag does not Affect bowel movements.

Transdermal Mag has no Effect on bowel movements.

:-)  

:-)



;D
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Friday, July 6, 2007, 10:58pm; Reply: 78
Does anyone know if one can get too much magnesium?  And also has anyone tried it on their hair to notice the gray going away?  

I guess I'll try rubbing the gel all over my body after my showers!  As far as my face.. I'm not sure how to fit it in... maybe I'll do the copper peptide serum in the morning and the magnesium at night... suggestions?

I think I'll have hubby rub it on my back so I can have the moles back there disappear.  

Also is rubbing it on better than spraying?  

AND one final question... are the bath crystals the same as epsom salt?  Just wondering!

Oh.. also... where can one get 'purified water?'  is that like distilled or?
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, July 7, 2007, 2:51am; Reply: 79
I believe they are two different things....
purified is ok to drink on a regular basis, while distilled is not recommended.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Saturday, July 7, 2007, 2:57am; Reply: 80
But for the purpose of mixing the recommended 'purified' water with the magnesium oil, would distilled be ok?
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, July 7, 2007, 3:06am; Reply: 81
right, that s what destilled is best used for.
Posted by: pipnjohn, Saturday, July 7, 2007, 3:25am; Reply: 82
If you put the mag oil on full strength and it nips, apparently, you are magnesium deficient!

Well, if that is true, I need buckets of the stuff, because it nips like you were sleeping on an ants nest!

Yes, it does darken your hair, I said nothing and applied it.

A couple of days later, Pip and our daughter both remarked, your hair looks darker today Dad!

Bit annoyed, because I was enjoying my grey hair, sort of like a status symbol! I had arrived!

The change seems to slow down pretty quick though.

Transdermal oil definitely does work on pain, in fact quite amazingly so.

I will write up my account of it later on when I have a few more concrete facts to tell. Cheers John.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, July 7, 2007, 3:38am; Reply: 83
The change seems to slow down pretty quick though, means your hair is back to its normal grey?

I was already getting all excited until I read this!! LOL :'(
Posted by: pipnjohn, Saturday, July 7, 2007, 10:05am; Reply: 84
Quoted from lola
The change seems to slow down pretty quick though, means your hair is back to its normal grey?

I was already getting all excited until I read this!! LOL :'(


No Lola, it doesn't stop changing but it does slow down after the first few days.

Well at least mine seems to have! (you can get all excited again now) (lol)

Boy it (The magnesium) sure is a sticky business, it just gets all through your clothes and bedding, or maybe I am not using it correctly!

I haven't read the book, "Transdermal Magnesium", I just started spraying it on and rubbing it in, man it is sticky and bloody stings too!    :-/  Cheers John.
Posted by: 697 (Guest), Saturday, July 7, 2007, 2:15pm; Reply: 85
John, from what I've read, after 20 minutes or so, you can shower the mag oil off because it's all but been absorbed.  

I can't WAIT to get my order!  DH doesn't know what he's in for *wink wink*

Funky, not sure about the crystals, I'd have to read it closer.

Apparently, like someone said earlier, if your skin stings with full strength mag oil, you're deficient.  It's suggested that you dilute 50/50 or more till you can tolerate it.  Supposedly, after a few treatments, you get used to it and can use it full strength.  The gel is not as potent as the oil.  You can't over dose on magnesium oil.  The body will take what it needs and leave the rest.  
They say starting out with footbaths a few times a week, is the easiest way to get your mag built up in order to take it full strength.
Then, graduate to full body baths with it.
Then try massaging it into the skin--all over or just where there's pain and discomfort.
Of course, your mileage may vary.  Some can use it full strength from the beginning!
You can also make a paste of the powder and use it as a facial to cleanse pores and reduce fine lines.  Is there anything this stuff can't do?????   :)
By the way, it's not actually *oil*.  The viscosity of the sea water/magnesium makes it *feel* oily.

Hurry up and get here, already!  LOL
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Saturday, July 7, 2007, 2:26pm; Reply: 86
Thank you Scout!  Now about that paste... what do you make it with?  I rubbed the oil on my face last night - full strength - and it stung a bit but felt good.  Was very sticky all night.  So I can put it on and then wash it off after 20?  I can handle that cause my face was sticking to my pillow all night!  HAAA!!!  

I also put the gel on my calves hoping it would take away the Restless Leg Syndrome, but it didn't.. .maybe after time.

They say to put the gel all over your body after a shower, but I can't imagine being sticky all day!  Maybe I'll just put it on the moles and skin tags...

Also, how long does one leave it in the hair and the more important question... my hair has color on it... will it affect the color?  I'd love to not have to color it anymore.  I was going to try and just put it on the gray and not on the processed color area... any information on this?  I don't want my colored hair to turn orange or anything!!! Ha..!

Also I wonder if you have to keep putting the gel or oil in your hair to maintain your natural color....
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, July 7, 2007, 3:05pm; Reply: 87
phewwwwwww!!
what a relief John!! LOL
thanks!
Posted by: 697 (Guest), Saturday, July 7, 2007, 3:33pm; Reply: 88
Funky!   ;D  Yes, I believe you can wash it off after 20 minutes but don't quote me on the facial application!

Here are 29 pages that can answer a couple of your questions.

I plan on doing all my mag stuff after work so I won't have any issues whatsoever.

 
Part way through, a lady named Joan from the site I purchased from chimes in and answers a LOT of questions about the mag products.  She's also an herbalist.

The paste is made with her product called mag *snow*, I believe, its a powdered form.  

She also answers the hair color question somewhere in this lengthy thread!   ;D

SUCH an interesting read!  I mistakenly thought that the link to the same t-tapp site in the first post in this thread was the same one I'm mentioning--but it's not!   :B

Check this out!

http://forum.t-tapp.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=55234
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, July 7, 2007, 4:00pm; Reply: 89
thanks for the link!
Posted by: Alek, Saturday, July 7, 2007, 4:30pm; Reply: 90
quote:

Jack Samuels, President of the Truth in Labeling Campaign, gives us more reason to avoid oral magnesium products. “Most, but not all of the magnesium being sold "over the counter" is chelated with neurotoxic substances. Magnesium glutamate is clearly of concern because the magnesium is chelated to neurotoxic glutamic acid. Magnesium aspartate is clearly of concern because the magnesium is chelated to neurotoxic aspartic acid, an amino acid that has been found by neuroscientists, in animal studies, to load on the same receptors in the brain as does glutamic acid, to cause identical brain lesions and neuroendocrine disorders as glutamic acid, and to act in an additive fashion with glutamic acid. Magnesium citrate is of concern because the magnesium has been chelated with citric acid. Most of the citric acid used in this country is made from corn. Producers of corn based citric acid do not take the time nor undertake the expense to remove all protein from the product. During production, the remaining protein is broken down, resulting in some glutamic acid and some aspartic acid. Some magnesium product producers now try to hide the presence of neurotoxins by stating that their magnesium is chelated with protein or with an amino acid. Finally, if a magnesium product is in a gelatin capsule, the gelatin is over 11% processed free glutamic acid (MSG].

After reading all this, will try mg   oil, as replacement to magnesium citrate.

alek
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Saturday, July 7, 2007, 4:52pm; Reply: 91
Gosh... I only got to page 3 on that thread and am exhausted from trying to absorb all the info.  I'll have to read a little each day.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, July 7, 2007, 5:17pm; Reply: 92
Branka!
thanks for the heads up!
there s so much to learn!!
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, July 7, 2007, 5:28pm; Reply: 93
What's the best way to use transdermal mag. for those of us who are pressed for time?  I don't have time to do all those things that you all are describing.  I do good just to get in a daily shower, prepare and take all my herbs and supplements, shop and cook all my food and work for a living.  :-)

Is there a quicky way to get it in the skin that won't leave me so sticky that my clothes adhere permanently to my body?  

Just kidding. . :-)

But really, what is the most simple version?  Foot baths?  Gel?  No time for a second shower every day to remove the film.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Saturday, July 7, 2007, 7:09pm; Reply: 94
So here's what I did today... sorry Victoria, it's not a quick routine!  

I did my 45 minutes of Elliptical, stretched, took a Magnesium Crystal bath for 20 minutes, showered off and then rubbed 100% Magnesium oil all over my body, put my clothes on, and washed my hands.  

I'm very very relaxed and have a tingly feeling all over.  It's not too sticky.  I think I can live with this.

I'm planning to rub some of the gel into my gray areas shortly.

Another Guinea pig reporting in!  
Posted by: Mrs. Rodgers, Saturday, July 7, 2007, 11:14pm; Reply: 95
After reading those 29 pages of T-Tapp (whew) Joan said over and over that foot soaks are the most efficient - 10 to 30 min - with a rinse after to reduce stickiness.  Next best is to spray it on.  It is sticky once it dries (feels just like taking a dip in the ocean), but can be wiped off with a damp cloth after it dries, as you supposedly absorb all you can in 20 min.  
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, July 8, 2007, 3:15am; Reply: 96
Ah.. but the bath was absolutely delicious as far as my skin was concerned!  It was so relaxing overall... BUT if you don't have time... certainly the foot bath would be the next best.  

I was wondering if I could add bubbles to the bath hoping that it would not take away from the magnesium being fully absorbed... any thoughts?
Posted by: 697 (Guest), Sunday, July 8, 2007, 3:33pm; Reply: 97
Quoted from Victoria
What's the best way to use transdermal mag. for those of us who are pressed for time?  I don't have time to do all those things that you all are describing.  I do good just to get in a daily shower, prepare and take all my herbs and supplements, shop and cook all my food and work for a living.  :-)

Is there a quicky way to get it in the skin that won't leave me so sticky that my clothes adhere permanently to my body?  

Just kidding. . :-)

But really, what is the most simple version?  Foot baths?  Gel?  No time for a second shower every day to remove the film.



Could you do a 20 minute foot bath a few times then try the gel?  
I'm still waiting for my stuff but one thing that seems to be stressed it that not all folks react the same way--so it's just a trial and error.
I'm going to start with a foot soak--most likely while I'm on the computer  :B  and go from there.
Posted by: 697 (Guest), Sunday, July 8, 2007, 3:36pm; Reply: 98
Quoted from funkymuse
Ah.. but the bath was absolutely delicious as far as my skin was concerned!  It was so relaxing overall... BUT if you don't have time... certainly the foot bath would be the next best.  

I was wondering if I could add bubbles to the bath hoping that it would not take away from the magnesium being fully absorbed... any thoughts?



I'd think the ingredients in the bubbles would absorb, too...not sure!   ??)
So many questions!

You can call Joan's 800# she's CST, she's very generous and forthcoming with her knowledge.  ;D
Posted by: 697 (Guest), Sunday, July 8, 2007, 3:37pm; Reply: 99
Quoted from lola
thanks for the link!



You bet!   :)
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, July 8, 2007, 4:42pm; Reply: 100
Hi Scout.. I use NutriBiotic Fresh Fruit Bubble Bath.  I get it from Wild Oats.   I think it's ok as far as ingredients!
Posted by: Melissa_J, Sunday, July 8, 2007, 5:59pm; Reply: 101
I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if my question has already been answered :)

I can't take citrate of anything, unless I'm sure it's made without corn derived citric acid.  I don't really know what type of magnesium to take, magnesium oxide or chelate?  There were a number of choices on the shelf.

I picked up the chelate, and unfortunately I think I started coming down with something after taking it.  Not related to the magnesium I think, actually a virus or something, but I'm still hesitant to take it again.  I guess I better post my question to the corn allergy forum, they might know what brand is truly corn-free.

I've heard that calcium and magnesium both can help with food allergies, and my food allergies acted up after a bout of stomach flu followed by a vacation with poor diet choices...so it makes sense that it could have something to do with nutrient deficiency.  The allergies flared up when I was pregnant also, so also could be a deficiency there.  I found a new MD who has 3 years holistic training, and does SRT and a few other alternative treatments, so that's pretty good for here, and she said that if you ever test out on a blood test as low in magnesium, then you are absolutely out of magnesium, because the body will keep the blood levels normal at any price.  I tested low on it many years ago, it's normal now, but I think I still have issues with it, and with all the calcium I'm taking, I need more Mg.
Posted by: Debra+, Sunday, July 8, 2007, 6:07pm; Reply: 102
Very informative thread...thanks.  And...(using my sticky powers) is now a sticky thread. :D

Debra :)
Posted by: pipnjohn, Sunday, July 8, 2007, 10:01pm; Reply: 103
Quoted from Melissa_J
I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if my question has already been answered :)

I can't take citrate of anything, unless I'm sure it's made without corn derived citric acid.  I don't really know what type of magnesium to take, magnesium oxide or chelate?  There were a number of choices on the shelf.

I picked up the chelate, and unfortunately I think I started coming down with something after taking it.  Not related to the magnesium I think, actually a virus or something, but I'm still hesitant to take it again.  I guess I better post my question to the corn allergy forum, they might know what brand is truly corn-free.

I've heard that calcium and magnesium both can help with food allergies, and my food allergies acted up after a bout of stomach flu followed by a vacation with poor diet choices...so it makes sense that it could have something to do with nutrient deficiency.  The allergies flared up when I was pregnant also, so also could be a deficiency there.  I found a new MD who has 3 years holistic training, and does SRT and a few other alternative treatments, so that's pretty good for here, and she said that if you ever test out on a blood test as low in magnesium, then you are absolutely out of magnesium, because the body will keep the blood levels normal at any price.  I tested low on it many years ago, it's normal now, but I think I still have issues with it, and with all the calcium I'm taking, I need more Mg.


Melissa, it looks like it would be best if you read the thread and the link material and all your questions would be answered.

The BTD and the magnesium protocol should be enough to put us on track to a very healthy lifestyle.

But you already know that!    :D    Cheers John
Posted by: Lola, Monday, July 9, 2007, 12:04am; Reply: 104
Quoted Text
I better post my question to the corn allergy forum, they might know what brand is truly corn-free.

once you get your answer, I d love to know, also!
thanks! ;)
Posted by: 697 (Guest), Monday, July 9, 2007, 2:12am; Reply: 105
Melissa, this thread is about *transdermal* magnesium chloride.  It's from either The Great Salt Lake or sea water.  

You don't need to take mag internally if you use the transdermal--it fills you up with what your body needs from the outside in!  :)
Posted by: 697 (Guest), Monday, July 9, 2007, 2:14am; Reply: 106
STICKY: Magnesium  ;D  ;D  ;D :D :D  :K) ;)  Thanks!
Posted by: Mary M., Monday, July 9, 2007, 4:31am; Reply: 107
Hi Everyone,

Thank you, Mrs. Rogers, for your tip about Magnesium Oil. I just had to order
some!

And thank you, Scout, for your info on where to get it pretty inexpensively through
Joan at the T-Tapp website.

Now to patiently wait for its arrival.  I'll report any good results.

I also am trying the "Oil Pull" that was mentioned on this site. Either I'm
very open to suggestion or it works. Did it twice yesterday and once today so
far and I'm full with less food, crave chocolate less and less along with other
carbs, and feel more cheerful.  My daughter recommends I do it for a few
weeks to determine if this is mind over matter....or not.

It does take a bit of preperation.  Like drinking 1/4 tsp. of baking soda in 1/2 glass of water
to keep alkaline. Brushing and dental flossing my teeth before swishing the tablespoon
of sunflower oil and a few drops of peppermint oil around in my mouth for 20 minutes.
Then rinsing and brushing my teeth again and drinking a glass of water. Ahhhh.

This sure is an interesting and helpful website. I learn something new regularly.
Thank you all.

Cordially,
Margaret
Posted by: Lola, Monday, July 9, 2007, 5:09am; Reply: 108
keep us posted!
Posted by: Debra+, Monday, July 9, 2007, 1:07pm; Reply: 109
Quoted from Margaret
Hi Everyone,


It does take a bit of preperation.  Like drinking 1/4 tsp. of baking soda in 1/2 glass of water
to keep alkaline. Brushing and dental flossing my teeth before swishing the tablespoon
of sunflower oil and a few drops of peppermint oil around in my mouth for 20 minutes.
Then rinsing and brushing my teeth again and drinking a glass of water. Ahhhh.

This sure is an interesting and helpful website. I learn something new regularly.
Thank you all.

Cordially,
Margaret


Hey Margaret...I enjoy the oil pulling myself although I need to do it more often.  Just a suggestion...you may want to substitute the sunflower oil (an avoid for O's) for a more compliant oil like olive or flax or grapeseed.  I know that you are just swishing it around in your mouth and not swallowing it.  At least most of it, but since digestion starts with your saliva in your mouth it would probably be more beneficial to use a compliant oil. IMHO.  How have you been sleeping?  How are your dreams?

Debra :)

Posted by: Mary M., Monday, July 9, 2007, 5:05pm; Reply: 110
Hello Debra,

Thank you for the reminder that "sunflower" anything is an avoid for 0s.
I thought of that initially but you are right that what we put into our mouth can
also be absorbed into the bloodsteam directly...like the Magnesium oil, etc.,
or we start digesting the oil.

So I used Olive Oil this a.m., plan to get some Grapeseed Oil, and
forget the sunflower oil.

How am I sleeping? Well, it was the weekend and I generally sleep well
because I can go to bed late and sleep in (at least on Saturday). Last night I
only got 4 hours sleep...far too little....but it was restful.  Didn't notice any
dreams...I seldom have them.

Have you notcied an increase in the dream catagory which you
attribute to the oil pulling?

Please keep me posted.

Cordially,
Margaret
Posted by: Melissa_J, Wednesday, July 11, 2007, 7:54pm; Reply: 111
Thank you all...I think the transdermal magnesium may be the best option for me.

Funny that oil pulling came up in this thread also, as I just started that yesterday, with sesame oil.  It feels pretty gross, and I have a strong gag reflex, so I'm working up to how long I can swish it around for.  (I should try adding some peppermint oil, that sounds nice.) The first time I could only do it for 4 minutes, but it still turned white and milky.  Today I managed 8 minutes and it was much whiter and thicker.  I'd been having swollen lymph nodes from eating wrong, my corn reaction was flaring up, and it seems to really be helping that already.  Maybe fewer cravings, that helps too.  If it helps my gums that will be great too, they also flared up recently.  
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Thursday, July 12, 2007, 10:21pm; Reply: 112
I'm checking in again.  I am completely sold on transdermal magnesium chloride!  Every night for approx. 3 weeks I have sprayed mag chloride on my body before bed.  At first I sprayed from neck on down to my toes but soon decided I was too sticky and now I spray from the waist on down to my feet.  In the morning I get into the shower and wash it all off.

Meanwhile, at night, I am sleeping so well each and every night that I can hardly believe it.  My sacroiliac and legs are not bothering me at night and I'm perfectly comfortable.  On an occasional middle of the night one of my legs might feel uncomfortable and I will get up and spray again.  In about 10 minutes after climbing back into bed I can actually feel that leg and buttock relax.  Then I easily fall back to sleep.

I have stopped my oral magnesium capsules completely!  I am so happy to have learned about this transdermal method of mag chloride I could shout out the news from the rooftop, but I guess talking about this on the forum is a better way to go, huh?  ;D
Posted by: Melissa_J, Thursday, July 12, 2007, 11:28pm; Reply: 113
Another option that I heard about at the conference in 05 from an ND was to combine epsom salt (MgSO4) and regular salt NaCl, in a bath.  What he said was that the MG and Cl will combine to form magnesium chloride, and be absorbed through the skin.

I don't always have time for a bath, but when I have, it has seemed to help.  A spray sounds easier.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, July 13, 2007, 1:38am; Reply: 114
NHG,
that is great news!
Posted by: Mrs. Rodgers, Friday, July 13, 2007, 5:45am; Reply: 115
Do the sodium and the sulfate combine to make something?  Where are the chemists?

Happy for you NHG!
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Friday, July 13, 2007, 2:30pm; Reply: 116
Just curious as to what Dr. D has to say about Blood Type Magnesium deficiency or is an across the board deficiency for all Blood Types?
Posted by: Mrs. Rodgers, Friday, July 13, 2007, 4:51pm; Reply: 117
In the BTD Encyclopedia:

All Blood Groups
Female Balancing

Group B
Allergy control
Chronic illness recovery
Fatigue-fighting
Intestinal health
Menopausal support

Primary action
nerve and digestive health
Needed for bone, protein, and fatty acid formation, making new cells, activating B vitamins, relaxing muscles, and clotting blood.
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Friday, July 13, 2007, 5:55pm; Reply: 118
Thanks Lola and Mrs. Rodgers!
I believe the first mention of transdermal mag chloride was from you, Mrs. Rodgers and I am eternally grateful to you for drawing my attention to that.  Both books were helpful, too.  My daughter is now reading the books so I'm glad to pass the information along.
Posted by: 697 (Guest), Sunday, July 15, 2007, 4:55pm; Reply: 119
Quoted from Melissa_J
Another option that I heard about at the conference in 05 from an ND was to combine epsom salt (MgSO4) and regular salt NaCl, in a bath.  What he said was that the MG and Cl will combine to form magnesium chloride, and be absorbed through the skin.

I don't always have time for a bath, but when I have, it has seemed to help.  A spray sounds easier.



Melissa, where can I find out more about *making* magnesium chloride for a bath and does it give the same results even though it's not from a body of salt water--or where are Epsom from ?  ;D  Thanks!
Posted by: 697 (Guest), Sunday, July 15, 2007, 4:57pm; Reply: 120
Quoted from New_Hampshire_Girl
I'm checking in again.  I am completely sold on transdermal magnesium chloride!  Every night for approx. 3 weeks I have sprayed mag chloride on my body before bed.  At first I sprayed from neck on down to my toes but soon decided I was too sticky and now I spray from the waist on down to my feet.  In the morning I get into the shower and wash it all off.

Meanwhile, at night, I am sleeping so well each and every night that I can hardly believe it.  My sacroiliac and legs are not bothering me at night and I'm perfectly comfortable.  On an occasional middle of the night one of my legs might feel uncomfortable and I will get up and spray again.  In about 10 minutes after climbing back into bed I can actually feel that leg and buttock relax.  Then I easily fall back to sleep.

I have stopped my oral magnesium capsules completely!  I am so happy to have learned about this transdermal method of mag chloride I could shout out the news from the rooftop, but I guess talking about this on the forum is a better way to go, huh?  ;D



Yay for you!!!   ;D
Posted by: Melissa_J, Sunday, July 15, 2007, 8:36pm; Reply: 121
Quoted from scout



Melissa, where can I find out more about *making* magnesium chloride for a bath and does it give the same results even though it's not from a body of salt water--or where are Epsom from ?  ;D  Thanks!


This doesn't completely answer the question, but opens up another option:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium_chloride

Nigari, the coagulant used in making tofu, could be used in the solution, as it is primarily magnesium chloride.  Then you wouldn't have the other stuff in there.  

Posted by: Mrs. Rodgers, Sunday, July 15, 2007, 9:55pm; Reply: 122
Thanks Melissa,

Just a brief search for Nigari and I found a pound of it for $1.89.

http://www.simply-natural.biz/Nigari.php

Maybe an inexpensive alternative to the magnesium oil. Especially for baths and foot soaks.  Appears to be the same source as the magnesium oil - sea water.
Posted by: Alek, Monday, July 16, 2007, 4:58pm; Reply: 123

quote:

How healthy is Magnesium Chloride?

Magnesium as well as chloride have some important functions in keeping the body in shape; young and healthy. Chloride is required for production of gastric acid each day and is also needed to stimulate starch-digesting enzymes. Magnesium rejuvenates and prevents the calcification of our organs and tissues that is characteristic of the old-age related degeneration of our body.

Using other magnesium salts is less advantageous because these have to be converted into chlorides in the body anyway. We may use magnesium as oxide or carbonate but then we need to produce additional hydrochloric acid to absorb them. Many aging individuals, especially with chronic diseases who desperately need more magnesium cannot produce sufficient hydrochloric acid and then cannot absorb the oxide or carbonate. Table salt is sodium chloride, Epsom salt is magnesium sulphate - it is soluble but not well absorbed and acts mainly as a laxative. Chelated magnesium is well absorbed but much more expensive and lacks the beneficial contribution of the chloride ions. Chelated magnesium seem to lack the infection-fighting potential of the magnesium chloride ... as W. Last wrote in his excellent article.

Posted by: Jane, Monday, July 16, 2007, 5:19pm; Reply: 124
NH Girl,
You mentioned that you feel sticky from it.  Does it get all over the sheets?  Just how messy is it?
I just got a new bed, new sheets, etc.  Maybe I'll wait and try it when I go up to Loon in a couple of weeks.
Jane
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Monday, July 16, 2007, 5:27pm; Reply: 125
Well, Jane, I have to laugh at myself because I really wasn't waiting for it to dry completely before I jumped into bed.  My new method works just fine:  I stand in the nude at the bathroom sink (I don't look in the mirror ;D), spray the mag chloride on and then by the time I have finished up at the sink area with whatever I have to do the mag chloride has dried.  Then I put on my nightgown and hop into bed.  No sticky sheets anymore!!  ;)
Posted by: Jane, Monday, July 16, 2007, 6:28pm; Reply: 126
LOL.
I can identify with that!  Really interesting that it's made such an impact on your sleep.  Might just have to try it.
Jane
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Monday, July 16, 2007, 8:17pm; Reply: 127
Jane, I hope you like it, too!!   Good luck!
Posted by: Mrs. Rodgers, Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 6:02am; Reply: 128
Quoted from New_Hampshire_Girl
Thanks Lola and Mrs. Rodgers!
I believe the first mention of transdermal mag chloride was from you, Mrs. Rodgers and I am eternally grateful to you for drawing my attention to that.  Both books were helpful, too.  My daughter is now reading the books so I'm glad to pass the information along.


(James 1:16-17)  Every good gift and every perfect present is from above, for it comes down from the Father of the [celestial] lights. . .

:)
Posted by: 697 (Guest), Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 12:32pm; Reply: 129
Quoted from Melissa_J


This doesn't completely answer the question, but opens up another option:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium_chloride

Nigari, the coagulant used in making tofu, could be used in the solution, as it is primarily magnesium chloride.  Then you wouldn't have the other stuff in there.  



Great minds think alike!  I found a link to nigari a couple of weeks ago, I just haven't taken the time to call!   ;D

Posted by: 697 (Guest), Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 12:38pm; Reply: 130
Thanks, Melissa!  :)
Posted by: Mary M., Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 3:34pm; Reply: 131
Hello Everyone,

The Magnesium Oil and Magnesium Gel arrived and I have used them.

Well, it definitely makes my silver and brown hair darker brown right
off the bat. Used it with my shampoo, rinsed it out and then sprayed the 50:50
solution of Magnesium Oil on my wet hair and left it on for 20 minutes, rinsed it out and
voila! A little darker.

It also has diminished the broken veins in my legs as I spray the 50:50
solution on my legs at night. I don't need to cover
then up with make-up.

I haven't noticed too much change in my sleep (I take valarian and GABA
regularly) although last night I did have some dreams I actually remembered.

It does burn my face though especially the 50:50 Magnesium Oil...Ouch and
redness. So maybe a more dilute solution. Any suggestions out there about this?

Now should I try the Prill Beads for drinking water?  
Or should this be another thread?

Thank you Mrs. Rogers for the foot soaking $1.89 bag of Magnesium Chloride.
At that price I just might soak my feet!

Thank you all.

Cordially,
Margaret
Posted by: 870 (Guest), Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 4:21pm; Reply: 132
My Doctor once told me that almost everyone is magnesium deficient. So I take mg zyme every night before bed.
Posted by: Alek, Thursday, July 19, 2007, 5:01pm; Reply: 133

Hi Margaret, thanks for that detailed report.
You got some instant results, that is great.
I ordered mine 3 weeks ago and still didn't receive it.
Keep us informed.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, July 19, 2007, 6:16pm; Reply: 134
I ll start applying magnesium chloride diluted in some distilled water every night on my greys and see what turns out!
thanks to all reporting results!
Posted by: carmen, Friday, July 20, 2007, 12:57am; Reply: 135
ok, couple of months ago, finally got my mum onto magnesium supplements being aspartate/orotate/chelate (equiv 200mg Mg) and now she's worried it might be reacting with her medications... felt a bit breathless about an hour after taking the Mg tablet.

*Does anyone know of reactions with high blood pressure meds? Her doc said this Mg blend is ok. Mum vaguely remembers a naturopath saying ages ago to watch her Mg levels.
She will stop taking it, but we're both disappointed if that is the cause, as the Mg is the only thing that has helped her night cramps (stopped them in 2 days).

I'll read up on the links, hoping the transdermal Mg might be ok for her. Then we gotta find it here in Oz. Might be more effective for both of us O's, rather than tablets.
:8
Posted by: Alek, Friday, July 20, 2007, 9:37am; Reply: 136


Would this be of any help Carmen.

http://books.google.com/books?id=oD3NCnI14FkC&pg=PA3&ots=jE542CDM9y&dq=side+affect+of+magnesium+with+high+blood+pressure+medication&sig=P5OyMvznGGqibWFCJdW8CMwgE4o#PPA1,M1
Posted by: Mary M., Friday, July 20, 2007, 4:09pm; Reply: 137
Hi Lola,

I put the Magnesium Oil and water on my hair
whenever I wash it...twice a week.
After I talk with Joan I might try the Magnesium
Oil full strength on my hair...maybe.

I tried the Gel and it definitely does not have
such a noticable effect on my hair...but works
great on my back, knees, elbows and feet.

I'd be interested to know if the daily application
on your hair works faster with darker results.

Thank you.

Cordially,
Margaret
Posted by: purlgirl, Friday, July 20, 2007, 8:03pm; Reply: 138
So what if you have low blood pressure? Is magnesium a no no?
Posted by: Karen74, Saturday, July 21, 2007, 2:14am; Reply: 139
Margaret asked about the face burning from magnesium oil and I think if you just continue using it, the burning will lessen.  I'm into my third or fourth week of using the oil full strength on my face and body and my face really burned at first ( it felt burned and also looked pink or red in some areas) but over time that has greatly reduced.  It's actually barely noticeable when I apply it now.

I wonder if the more sun damaged our skin is, the more sensitive reaction we will have for a while.  The first few days I used the oil it peeled my lawn mowing tan right off.  Now the skin is much smoother and while I'm now slightly tanned again it looks much healthier.  I think the website for the oil said it would take a few months to heal sun damage.

Unfortunately, I haven't lost any moles yet  :-/ but I'm being patient!
Posted by: purlgirl, Saturday, July 21, 2007, 4:28am; Reply: 140
Book store finally got my book in - took 2 weeks. It's very interesting.

I ordered a gallon - I'll start slow and see if it effects my blood pressure.

I ordered extra spray bottles so I can share samples with family.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, July 21, 2007, 4:35am; Reply: 141
will do Margaret!
Posted by: carmen, Saturday, July 21, 2007, 10:11am; Reply: 142
Thanks Alek for the book link,
Also got more info from mum's chemist who confirmed that Mg is good to alleviate high blood pressure, so she's back on the supplement. I'm keen to find some Mg oil though(for both of us), after reading this thread!

:8
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, July 21, 2007, 2:44pm; Reply: 143
http://www.ctds.info/5_13_magnesium.html
food sources high in magnesium are beneficial nuts and neutral oats, rice and
amaranth.
required for production of gastric acid each
day and is also needed to stimulate starch-digesting enzymes. Magnesium
rejuvenates and prevents the calcification of our organs and tissues.
Posted by: Melissa_J, Saturday, July 21, 2007, 6:54pm; Reply: 144
I'm off to the asian market today.  I'm all out of sweet rice flour and need to make cookies tonight for a party.  They should have nigari, so I'll pick some up and get started with that in a spray bottle and see how it goes.

Thanks for the list of food sources, I need to eat more nuts.  I assume it's probably just brown rice that has a lot of magnesium?  

I've had low magnesium and low blood pressure, so I don't think adding to the magnesium should hurt, as long as I keep up on my other mineral intake (calcium, sodium, potassium, etc.)  I'm sure it's all about balance.  My sodium has also occasionally been low, so I indulge in sea salt wherever I can.
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, July 21, 2007, 7:03pm; Reply: 145
Quoted from Margaret


Thank you Mrs. Rogers for the foot soaking $1.89 bag of Magnesium Chloride.
At that price I just might soak my feet!



Just so I don't have to read the whole long thread, could you tell me where to get the Magnesium Chloride?   :K)
Posted by: Mary M., Saturday, July 21, 2007, 9:01pm; Reply: 146
Hi Victoria,

Here is the wevsite that sells the Nigari at $1.89 a bag:
http://www.simply-natural.biz/Nigari.php

If you want to buy the Magnesium Oil at a good price
that website is:
http://www.health-and-wisdom.com

Thanks, Karen 74, for the feedback on the burning that
happened on my face after starting to use the magnesium oil.
It only burns around my nose and down the laugh lines to
my mouth. I'll try it again but maybe with a more
dilute solution and build up to full strength.

Paula Begoun (I use her facial care products and makeup)
advises against irritating the face. That's my concern...
long term effects.

Thanks everyone for this very helpful and informative thread.
It's a sticky, yes?

Cordially,
Margaret

Posted by: BuzyBee, Wednesday, September 26, 2007, 4:45pm; Reply: 147
I have enjoyed reading this thread. Lots of good info. I have a friend with fibromylgia and I told her about the mag. oil. She ordered some and will let me know how it works.

I am looking at ordering some for myself. Mainly for digestion problems(constipation). Does anyone know if I will get the effects of the mag. oil aborbed thru the skin or would it be better swallowing it to get into the digection tract.
Posted by: Mary M., Thursday, September 27, 2007, 4:30pm; Reply: 148
Hi BuzyBee,

I was putting the Magnesium Oil on my stomach and
back areas as well as the bottoms of my feet every
night. After several weeks I started having stomach
cramps. The conclusion was that I was getting
too much magnesium so I changed my routine.
A break from the Mag Oil for a week and now
I only put it on the backs of my legs and bottoms
of my feet. So far so good.

As for ingesting it.....ughhh! I brushed my teeth
with it once and swallowed a little. Once was
enough. It was like tasting the Dead Sea...unbelievably
salty! You might want to check the website to
see what they advise regarding swallowing it.

Cordially,
Margaret
Posted by: BuzyBee, Thursday, September 27, 2007, 5:10pm; Reply: 149
Thanks Margaret for sharing that. There was one website I visited that had the mag. oil drops you put under your tongue or in water/juice to drink. It is most likely deluted down with water to make it more eatible.

And from further reading it sounds if though the mag. oil is absorbed thru the skin it goes directly into the blood stream and takes action.

This gets me thinking about swimming in the ocean which is a big bath of salt water. You have to wonder if you get any of the wonderful magnesium results from that.
Quoted Text

If you want to buy the Magnesium Oil at a good price
that website is:
http://www.health-and-wisdom.com

Actually I just noticed this is the same website you posted.
Posted by: 119 (Guest), Friday, September 28, 2007, 1:35am; Reply: 150
Thanx for posting that article.  I was having cramps in my feet, calves and sometimes in my obliques, which made it very hard to do my pilates exercises.  Also I would occasionaly get very severe cramps in my inner thighs.  I've started taking NATURAL CALM 3 weeks ago and have noticed that I have no cramps in my feet.  It says to take 3 tsp but to work up to it gradually if you are very difficient or you will have loose stool right off the batt.  I really like the NATURAL CALM because it's not another pill and it absorbes quickly.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, September 28, 2007, 2:42am; Reply: 151
does it only contain magnesium?
Posted by: Mary M., Friday, September 28, 2007, 5:24pm; Reply: 152
You're welcome, BuzyBee.

Swimming in the ocean sounds
like it would have some benefit.
You can't miss swimming in the
Dead Sea. Now that is as concentrated,
if not more so, than the Mag Oil!
I assume that the Mag Oil also
contains all the other minerials
that are in the ocean water or
Great Lakes water.

Cordially,
Margaret
Posted by: BuzyBee, Friday, September 28, 2007, 7:39pm; Reply: 153
I have a friend that has a salt water swimming pool that says it has such a nice soft feeling. When you get out of the pool you skin feels silky smooth - unlike the chlorine pools. There must be a benefit from this.

Don't know if the mineral salt pool has any benefits(such as magnesium) or not but would be like to know.
Posted by: 119 (Guest), Friday, September 28, 2007, 8:57pm; Reply: 154
Why are my comments sometimes removed from threads?
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, September 29, 2007, 2:47am; Reply: 155
click on your avatar and find your posts.....
I believe nothing is deleted but complete threads are moved.....
so your posts might be there where the thread has been moved.

sometimes I post something and forget to press the send button!!! lol
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Friday, October 26, 2007, 2:50pm; Reply: 156
I have been applying transdermal magnesium to my legs and hips before bedtime ever since the subject of transdermal magnesium cropped up.  It does wonders for the nerves in these areas and I usually have a good night's sleep.  However, I'm getting annoyed at the gummy feeling of the bed sheets and tired of changing sheets so much more, now, that I'm thinking of doing the soak in the tub for 20 minutes.  You can't imagine how startling it was for me to come to that decision as I don't like soaking at all. :P   Last night I soaked my feet in a pan and that was easy but I'm wondering which method is better.  Probably I should soak a lot more of my body in the magnesium water.  

Those of you who have tried the various methods, what do you think?  Is anyone still using transdermal magnesium chloride?(ondrugs)
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, October 27, 2007, 3:30am; Reply: 157
I take a teaspoon straight every night with water.....
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Saturday, October 27, 2007, 2:24pm; Reply: 158
Lola, where are you getting your mag chloride?  Mine is from Global Light Network and I'm wary of drinking it.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, October 27, 2007, 8:21pm; Reply: 159
I get mine from a local specialized pharmacy......
I m sure you can get a much better quality in the states.
Posted by: Drea, Saturday, October 27, 2007, 9:23pm; Reply: 160
I've been using powdered magnesium citrate, and have to use *a lot* less than when I was taking it in compressed tablet form (chelated magnesium). I'm sleeping better, and most importantly, eliminating better.
;D
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Sunday, October 28, 2007, 1:53am; Reply: 161
Yes, I used to take magnesium citrate every day and it is excellent but then I discovered this thread concerning transdermal mag chloride and changed over to that.  When nerves are spasming in my legs and thighs it has been extremely helpful to spray mag chloride on my legs before bed and it does help me sleep peacefully.   But, as I noted, it is gummy.  Perhaps I will limit the use to soaking my feet twice a week.  But, I was interested in Lola's taking it by mouth and I did read that others have done the same.  I just wanted to know whatever product I buy is okay to take by mouth.  I'm a little leery of that, I admit.
Posted by: Narra, Wednesday, November 7, 2007, 3:38pm; Reply: 162
also instant results for me

magnesium is extremely important if you have got problems with digestion (disorders etc)

i get cramps, constipation and trouble sleeping if i am depleted
coffee totally zaps it for me like... instantly... i hardly ever drink it but if i do i get cramps after 5 minutes or so

there is a huge difference on what kind and potency you take though...from my experience
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Wednesday, November 7, 2007, 5:52pm; Reply: 163
Oh, oh, I didn't make myself clear. :-/  My question was to those on the forum who are taking mag chloride by mouth (drinking it).  Whose product do you trust for that? (think)
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, November 7, 2007, 5:59pm; Reply: 164
I do not have many choices, so I ve settled for a local brand which has no other ingredient but MC.
sorry, not much help there! :)
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, November 7, 2007, 8:11pm; Reply: 165
Is Mag Chloride supposed to be more absorbable than Mag Citrate?
Posted by: Luana, Wednesday, November 7, 2007, 9:45pm; Reply: 166
Magnesium Chloride for Health and Rejuvenation

by Walter Last


Magnesium is nothing short of a miracle mineral in its healing effect on a wide range of diseases as well as in its ability to rejuvenate the aging body. We know that it is essential for many enzyme reactions, especially in regard to cellular energy production, for the health of the brain and nervous system and also for healthy teeth and bones. However, it may come as a surprise that in the form of magnesium chloride it is also an impressive infection fighter.

The first prominent researcher to investigate and promote the antibiotic effects of magnesium was a French surgeon, Prof. Pierre Delbet MD. In 1915 he was looking for a solution to cleanse wounds of soldiers, because he found that traditionally used antiseptics actually damaged tissues and encouraged infections instead of preventing them. In all his tests magnesium chloride solution was by far the best. Not only was it harmless for tissues, but it also greatly increased leucocyte activity and phagocytosis, the destruction of microbes.

Later Prof. Delbet also performed experiments with the internal applications of magnesium chloride and found it to be a powerful immune-stimulant. In his experiments phagocytosis increased by up to 333%. This means after magnesium chloride intake the same number of white blood cells destroyed up to three times more microbes than beforehand.

Gradually Prof. Delbet found magnesium chloride to be beneficial in a wide range of diseases. These included diseases of the digestive tract such as colitis and gall bladder problems, Parkinson's disease, tremors and muscle cramps; acne, eczema, psoriasis, warts and itching skin; impotence, prostatic hypertrophy, cerebral and circulatory problems; asthma, hay fever, urticaria and anaphylactic reactions. Hair and nails became stronger and healthier and patients had more energy.

Prof. Delbet also found a very good preventative effect on cancer and cured precancerous conditions such as leukoplasia, hyperkeratosis and chronic mastitis.

Epidemiological studies confirmed that regions with magnesium-rich soil had less cancer than those with low magnesium levels.Another French doctor, A. Neveu, cured several diphtheria patients with magnesium chloride within two days.

He also published 15 cases of poliomyelitis that were cured within days if treatment was started immediately, or within months if paralysis had already progressed. Neveu also found magnesium chloride effective with asthma, bronchitis, pneumonia and emphysema; pharyngitis, tonsillitis, hoarseness, common cold, influenza, whooping cough, measles, rubella, mumps, scarlet fever; poisoning, gastro-enteritis, boils, abscesses, whitlow, infected wounds and osteomyelitis.

In more recent years Dr Vergini and others have confirmed these earlier results and have added more diseases to the list of successful uses: acute asthma attacks, shock, tetanus, herpes zoster, acute and chronic conjunctivitis, optic neuritis, rheumatic diseases, many allergic diseases, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and beneficial effects in cancer therapy.

In all of these cases magnesium chloride had been used and gave much better results than other magnesium compounds.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, November 7, 2007, 10:41pm; Reply: 167
no wonder!!! ;) ;D

great text, thanks LF!
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Wednesday, November 7, 2007, 10:43pm; Reply: 168
Thank you, luanaflacco.  Very interesting article, indeed.

Drea, if you can get hold of the book "Transdermal Magnesium" by Mark Sircus you will find a wealth of information.  

The foot soaks and the soak in the bathtub both sound good.  I know I have had enough of gummy sheets from using the spray although the spray before bed was wonderful for me and calmed the nerves in the legs and thighs and helped me sleep.(sleep)
Posted by: meh206, Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 10:56pm; Reply: 169
Has anyone ever had a problem with their legs aching from taking magnesium? A couple of months after starting magnesium my legs started aching at night after I had been in bed for  several hours.  That is the only thing I can think of that had changed.  I am afraid to stop takiang it as my Dr. had me take it for atrial fib.
I read a lomg time ago that if you take supplements for any length of time and suddenly stop taking them you could create a shortage in your system because your body had come to rely on the supplement.  I have been taking 400 mg of magnesium every other day for about 6 months.
I do have strange reactions to some things.  I took dolomite for calcium and magnesium years ago and created tendonitis in by elbow and wrist.  When I quit taking it the tendonitis went away.
Thanks for any information you can give me.
Maryann
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, November 14, 2007, 11:52pm; Reply: 170
magnesium took care of my cramps.......guess we all act differently......perhaps there s something else causing the ache.
Posted by: BuzyBee, Thursday, November 15, 2007, 3:47pm; Reply: 171
This sounds like such a miracle mineral. I am looking to purchase some. Possible the liquid magnesium to help aid and heal digestion issues.

Since this is such a wonderful mineral and helps with so many different health problems I am shocked that is was not mentioned in Dr. D's list of items(for A's) to promote intestinal health and healing. I just looked at a link provided by Lloyd(I think-under leaky gut syndrome) and no magnesium listed for A's. Here is the link http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/18.html

Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Thursday, November 15, 2007, 4:48pm; Reply: 172
What about doing a magnesium foot bath while in the sauna?  would this be safe?
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, November 15, 2007, 4:54pm; Reply: 173
sounds like a perfect way to not deplete your body of so many minerals while in the sauna!
I d say it sounds like a great way to do the soak...... :)
Posted by: BuzyBee, Friday, November 16, 2007, 3:08pm; Reply: 174
Quoted Text
This sounds like such a miracle mineral. I am looking to purchase some. Possible the liquid magnesium to help aid and heal digestion issues.

Since this is such a wonderful mineral and helps with so many different health problems I am shocked that is was not mentioned in Dr. D's list of items(for A's) to promote intestinal health and healing. I just looked at a link provided by Lloyd(I think-under leaky gut syndrome) and no magnesium listed for A's. Here is the link http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/18.html


To answer my question. According to Intrinsa (which has magnesium) is possible being added to the Intestinal Health Protocol. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, November 16, 2007, 9:07pm; Reply: 175
sure you can add it to your protocol! :)
Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, November 16, 2007, 9:31pm; Reply: 176
Quoted from meh206
Has anyone ever had a problem with their legs aching from taking magnesium? A couple of months after starting magnesium my legs started aching at night after I had been in bed for  several hours.  


I am not familiar with this experience.

I do know that there it is important to balance mineral consumprition.

If you need to keep the amount of Magnesium fixed,
you could adjust the amount of calcium and potassium
you take and see if this affected your legs.

Do you know how much Magnesium you are taking each day?

If you are supplementing potassium, calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus,
the daily dose might be helpful to know.

Alternatively you could measure
blood level of:sodium, potassium, calcium, magnesium, phosphorus and chloride
and see if any are off.

Here are some sort of normal ranges for blood serum measurements:

Sodium 135-148 mmol/L
Potassium 3.5-5.5 mmol/L
Chloride 96-109 mmol/L
Calcium 8.5 - 10.6 mg/dL
Phosphorus 2.5-4.5mg/dL
Magnesium 1.8 -3.0mg/dL




Posted by: Amazone I., Friday, November 16, 2007, 9:54pm; Reply: 177
::) we say: aching might occure when lacking or mg or ca. means
ca. - you might get cramps instantly when you move !!!! and magnesium when you are at rest ;) :D !!!!!

an acknowledged rule of all kind of med. trainers  ;) ;D ;D ........
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Friday, November 30, 2007, 6:02pm; Reply: 178
So Lola.. I got the Magnesium Oxide and it's in a powder form and it says to do 1/4 tsp once a day which amounts to 400 mg.

Is this about right?  I am going to treat it like my other supp's which I take everyday, except weekends.

I do also do the mag. foot soak for 20 min 3 times a week...
Posted by: Lola, Friday, November 30, 2007, 8:53pm; Reply: 179
supposedly, loose stools is a good indicative of how much magnesium you should use.

try that amount you mention, and gradually up or down, depending...... ;)
Posted by: kate4975, Friday, December 14, 2007, 9:41pm; Reply: 180
What about magnesium for kids (best dosage/form)? My 2-1/2 year old is a B and LOVES her dairy and I can only impose recommended portions on her so much--the kid's scrawny so I don't want to discourage eating even if what she wants isn't exactly what I'd like to feed her.

Anyway, since she's in daycare, she gets colds all the time and usually passes them to me. I've started taking magnesium asporotate (sp?), about 400 mg a day, since I read that a calcium/magnesium imbalance can lower immunity in Bs. Since my daughter weighs about 1/5 of an average adult female, should I give her 1/5 of my dose? Any reason why this form of magnesium would be bad for a child? Has anyone ever, say, sprinkled the capsule contents on food for a child to take? I don't know if she'd swallow a capsule.
Posted by: Amazone I., Friday, December 14, 2007, 9:48pm; Reply: 181
kate is that mg-orotate & mg-aspartate??)

For your child I'd go for children's dosages but also go for a multivit-multimineral....;) better ;D (as a form of formula )
Posted by: jayneeo, Friday, December 14, 2007, 10:08pm; Reply: 182
I put the mag oil on the soles of my feet each night........and my feet are peeling... :o ....hope this is for the good......(my feet could benefit from a new softer skin... ;))  meanwhile they look and feel strange...
Posted by: kate4975, Friday, December 14, 2007, 11:10pm; Reply: 183
Quoted from Amazone I.
kate is that mg-orotate & mg-aspartate??)

For your child I'd go for children's dosages but also go for a multivit-multimineral....;) better ;D (as a form of formula )


It's definitely mg-aps..something. She does take a children's multi but it has calcium too so I'd be afraid she'd still have an imbalance.

Posted by: Alek, Sunday, December 16, 2007, 12:18pm; Reply: 184
Quoted from jayneeo
I put the mag oil on the soles of my feet each night........and my feet are peeling... :o ....hope this is for the good......(my feet could benefit from a new softer skin... ;))  meanwhile they look and feel strange...


Same thing happened to me,and it felt so dry. I delute Mg oil with destilled water now, and it works great.
I wonder what has happened with the other users of Mg oil.  :)
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Sunday, December 16, 2007, 2:59pm; Reply: 185
I keep forgetting to soak my feet.  I've done that only three times, now.   But, at night I do spray the mag chloride in diluted form on my buttocks and thighs, let dry, then hop into bed.  I sleep just great! (sleep)(sleep)
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, December 16, 2007, 4:16pm; Reply: 186
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I wonder what has happened with the other users of Mg oil.

they must be gallivanting round and about, pain free!!! ;)
Posted by: Alek, Monday, December 17, 2007, 12:47pm; Reply: 187


  ;D, for Lola
Posted by: Lola, Monday, December 17, 2007, 4:23pm; Reply: 188
;)
Posted by: kate4975, Tuesday, December 18, 2007, 7:00pm; Reply: 189
Quoted from kate4975


It's definitely mg-aps..something. She does take a children's multi but it has calcium too so I'd be afraid she'd still have an imbalance.



Okay, here's the description of my mg supplement from Solaray:

"Solaray® Magnesium Asporotate™ consists of three different forms of Magnesium: Magnesium Aspartate, Magnesium Citrate and Magnesium Orotate. Aspartic Acid, Citric Acid, and Orotic Acid have been combined for a natural chelation process. Our superior formula derives its Orotic Acid from a special delactosed whey protein concentrate. This product contains none of the yeast or soy commonly found in full range amino acid chelates."

Any reason a toddler shouldn't have this? I checked her multi-vitamin and it provides 13% RDA of both calcium and magnesium. She'll eat all the dairy I'll allow but she's not a big fan of or can't have most of the better food sources of magnesium (occasionally eats spinach, salmon and halibut which are "very good" or "excellent" sources -- loves broccoli and some of the "good" sources). So I'm worried that the multi won't give her the balance she needs.
Posted by: 260 (Guest), Sunday, December 23, 2007, 7:16pm; Reply: 190
I mentioned the other day that I ate goat yogurt with a corn derivative in it..and as a result a little trouble in the regularity department.  :o   A friend of mine reccommended magnesium citramate to get things moving, but the ingredients are magnesium (as Magnesium Citrate-Malate) and Malic Acid (approximately from Magenesium Citrate-Malate).  I was wondering, however, if the malic acid could be derived from corn even though it says its from magnesium citrate-malate.  I don't want to start a vicious cycle of consuming corn..any thoughts?
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, December 23, 2007, 7:18pm; Reply: 191
http://www.cornallergens.com/list/corn-allergen-list.php
Posted by: accidental_chef, Thursday, December 27, 2007, 10:27am; Reply: 192
I've been applying Magnesium oil for about 3 weeks now. It has taken care of the pain on my little bunion on my big toe, freckles aka age spots ;), which have faded considerably, pimples which sprout here and there pre-periods are nipped in the bud, MIL's elbow & knee joint pain, hubby's rashes, and my occassional restless leg. It tastes godawful but I would like to try it on occassions when I'm obliged to eat the customary birthday cake. It always jams my sysytem the next day-the cake, that is. But I tried a teaspoon of mag oil, and holy cow, arrrgh! my throat burned. And nothing "significant" happened the next morning.

Suffice to say that Magnesium oil is a miracle! Thanks for the recommendation!!
Posted by: Alek, Thursday, December 27, 2007, 3:47pm; Reply: 193

Mg oil doing nothing for my freckles, nor for greying hair so far [2 1/2 months], but taking 20 drops directly on the tongue is no problem at all.
Posted by: BuzyBee, Friday, December 28, 2007, 5:38pm; Reply: 194
I started taking 400 mg of mag. capsule and started waking up at night with really dry mouth. Had to get up several times to drink water. I stopped taking the supplement and this problem went away.
Maybe I should take the supplement early in the day - possible mid morning- and drink water all day.

Has anyone else experienced a reaction with magnesium?
Posted by: lilith_bcn, Tuesday, March 11, 2008, 1:54pm; Reply: 195
I red that it's better if you eat Mg in a different time than the Ca. I take Ca in the morning with C, and Mg in the evening to sleep well.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Friday, April 4, 2008, 3:49pm; Reply: 196
Quoted from Lola
supposedly, loose stools is a good indicative of how much magnesium you should use.

try that amount you mention, and gradually up or down, depending...... ;)


Hi Lola... have you ever heard of Magnesium giving a person a sort of brain fog headache?  We were taking it in the morning in our juice and I'd end up with a groggy achy brain.

Now we take it before bed and hubby loves it because it puts him to sleep.  Me too but again, I wake up with that achy brain.  

Maybe I should cut back?  We are doing 400 mg of Magnesium Oxide in water before sleep.

I just went google searching and found this really great thread on Magnesium... all the different types, etc.

http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/showthread.php?t=1138
Posted by: Lola, Friday, April 4, 2008, 4:33pm; Reply: 197
I take a tsp of mag chloride straight and wash it down with water before going to bed.....it tastes horrible but i do not mind that, just like fenugreek, I also take it straight and the taste is yeachhhhh...... ;)
a little goes a long way.....take a bit less, and see how that works for you.
Posted by: Stefina, Thursday, May 8, 2008, 11:56pm; Reply: 198
thanks for the suggestions. I take 200mg at night. Helps with sleep and I do the BTD and my IBS symptoms went away however I have permanent damage because mine was very severe for several years.  I ignored myself for too long. I'm much better now because of this diet.  It's the only information that has ever helped me besides Citrucel.

Since I have loose stools, I will cut back to 100mg at night or add calcium as suggested. My mag. is elemental mag from reacted mag aspartate.  I've tried the others and the same thing has happened.  This is the one that's better than the others.  
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, May 9, 2008, 1:00am; Reply: 199
Quoted from BuzyBee

Has anyone else experienced a reaction with magnesium?


If I take more than 300 mg, it triggers a migraine..I kind of attribute this to taking a lot of vitamins in the 80's..I think I caused an intolerance.

I take 100 mg at night. I agree, it helps with sleep.
Posted by: BuzyBee, Thursday, June 19, 2008, 2:10pm; Reply: 200
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BuzyBee       
Friday, December 28, 2007, 5:38pm           
I started taking 400 mg of mag. capsule and started waking up at night with really dry mouth. Had to get up several times to drink water. I stopped taking the supplement and this problem went away.
Maybe I should take the supplement early in the day - possible mid morning- and drink water all day.

Has anyone else experienced a reaction with magnesium?


Ok. So I couldn't take the supplements so I order the Mag. Oil and I have been using on my skin tags for apprx 1.5 weeks. The same thing is happening. I woke up last night with extremely dry mouth, dry nose, and dehydrating feeling. I got up drank some water and went back to bed but couldn't go back to sleep.

Do I need to delute the MO 1/2 in 1/2? I have heard and read so many wonderful things about Mag. that I wanted to give it a try but I can not put myself thru this anymore.

What should I do?
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, June 19, 2008, 6:49pm; Reply: 201
::) ::) my personal experience....for children up from 12 years...might be ok just the half of dosages of adults....
in this case ...100m's of real mg won't harm,  but no oil coz it wont' work in cases of lacks. 2x daily for women between 3-600m's daily but mg-citrat  :).....up to you to get the mix from orotat &aspartate...a question of bioavailability  ;)....(dance)
Posted by: BuzyBee, Friday, June 20, 2008, 2:10pm; Reply: 202
I stopped putting the Mag. oil on my skin tags until I can get my body back on track. I sleep better last night and didn't have to get up and drink water. I searched on the interenet yesterday for side effects of MO but never could find anything on dehydrating the body. I guess no one else on this thread has this problem but me. It is so weird and such an eerie feeling. I have also had a lot of thick mucous in my throat. Not sure if this is some kind of detox or not.

I also thought about the fact that A's have thick blood and maybe it can't break down the MO-which is very salty. Things like this drive me crazy until I figure it out.
Posted by: Alek, Friday, June 20, 2008, 2:37pm; Reply: 203
I am a regular user of MO, for a long time. I have never experienced anything like that. It moisturises my skin beautifully.

Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, June 20, 2008, 2:41pm; Reply: 204
Buzy Bee, I take MSM to keep the blood thin.. I hope there's no side effects on that.. :-/
Posted by: Lola, Friday, June 20, 2008, 7:32pm; Reply: 205
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Dr D...for things like chromium, MSM or algae, perhaps my position is more accurately that "they can have benefit in some people of a certain type, though they don't possess any specific attributes which will enhance the effect of the diets, and are perhaps redundant with it."
Posted by: Swe71, Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 8:24am; Reply: 206
Hi everyone

Anyone gets kind of hyper activety after taking Magnesium?
I took one (375mg Super Magnesium, Great Earth) yesterday and got this "speedy" feeling. Like to much brain activety :-/.

Could it be de-tox?

But as I am a Type B non-sec with sometimes anxiety and tension headache I should really be in need of magnesium. Also I found out that we have soft drinking water here which = low magnesium & kalcium.

I can´t find anyone in this thread with this experience..

I am on BTD 100% since about 1 month + Yeast/Fungus Protocol + low carb diet to starve the candida.

Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 9:12am; Reply: 207
hi dear-half of mine  ;)
normally the mg should help you to ride off anxiety & tensions
as well, so it works wonderful for me when I feel tensions in my body..but what kind of mg did you take? I would not go for
mg-oxide but citrate or even best is aspartate :-)
Posted by: Swe71, Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 10:30am; Reply: 208
Hi Tomatilla!

It´s a mix of a lot of things.. (also aspartate).
Should it be only aspartate?



Posted by: italybound, Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 11:50am; Reply: 209
Buzybee, I just did a little search re: mag and dehydration. Here's a page:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=why+would+magnesium+cause+dehydration+in+the+body&btnG=Search

from just a bit of reading, I'm wondering, how is your fluid (mainly water) intake?
also how are your BM habits, if you don't mind telling. ;-)
I have to say, taking 800 mg of magnesium a day have dealt very nicely w/ the constipation issues I was having. Got a buddy of mine to try it for his.........working great. :-)
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 1:15pm; Reply: 210
(oh)(oh)(oh)(woot)not that bad  ;) :D ;D as IB said...yep would also go for a look onto your amounts of daily liquidintake... :)

would you mind to let us know what is the result of your psychogram of the keirsey's test ??)often the intj's might suffer from the mentioned symptoms.....and perhaps might you give a try to the so called *autogenes training* nach Schulze and or musclerelaxation nach Jacobsen  ;)......visualization might help also and inositol as well, some fine essential oils like lavenderoil (even 2-3 drops with a little of water)yessss
I know the taste is (dizzy)(goofy)but it might help you to relax
and perhaps you might use this lavenderoil only externally and use some lavendertea with orange blossom as well  :D
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 1:39pm; Reply: 211
Blood Type B Basics: The Blood Type B Individualized Lifestyle.
http://www.4yourtype.com/Typeb_basic.asp

Supplement Solutions for Common Type B Challenges
read the supplement section for your type, and see all the goodies Dr D recommends, in terms of Bs nervous system regulation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXPJuoBIMY
..................................
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1130191808/s-443/#num443
individuality II
Posted by: BuzyBee, Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 2:11pm; Reply: 212
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italybound       
     
Buzybee, I just did a little search re: mag and dehydration. Here's a page:
http://www.google.com/search?h.....body&btnG=Search

from just a bit of reading, I'm wondering, how is your fluid (mainly water) intake?
also how are your BM habits, if you don't mind telling.
I have to say, taking 800 mg of magnesium a day have dealt very nicely w/ the constipation issues I was having. Got a buddy of mine to try it for his.........working great.


I mainly drink water. Sometimes watered down lemonade or juice. Very seldom a soda only when we go to the movies. As far as BM - tend to be constipated more often than anything- that was one of the things I was hoping the mag. would help with. I also notice when I eat whole grain which is high in mag that I have the same symptoms - dehydrated feeling and constipated.

I clicked on the google link but it didn't go to a particular page. Any link better than another.

Thanks for researching this subject.
Posted by: italybound, Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 2:16pm; Reply: 213
Quoted from BuzyBee
I mainly drink water....I also notice when I eat whole grain which is high in mag that I have the same symptoms - dehydrated feeling and constipated.
I clicked on the google link but it didn't go to a particular page. .


BB, that's great that your biggest consumption of liquid is water, but how much water a day? that could possibly be the key factor here. I was just talking to my daughter about how mag has helped w/ my constipation. I remarked that since calcium helps muscles to contract and mag helps them to relax, since I was really low on mag, odds are the muscles in the intestines/colon were not relaxing enough for proper BM's. Does that make sense?
also what is your calcium intake like?
the google link I posted was to a whole page of articles you might look at. figured several were better than just one. ;-)
Posted by: Stefina, Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 2:55pm; Reply: 214
I take Magnesium at night.  It has made me hyper a couple of times tho.  Usually it does not and helps me to sleep.  
Posted by: BuzyBee, Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 4:44pm; Reply: 215
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BB, that's great that your biggest consumption of liquid is water, but how much water a day? that could possibly be the key factor here. I was just talking to my daughter about how mag has helped w/ my constipation. I remarked that since calcium helps muscles to contract and mag helps them to relax, since I was really low on mag, odds are the muscles in the intestines/colon were not relaxing enough for proper BM's. Does that make sense?
also what is your calcium intake like?
the google link I posted was to a whole page of articles you might look at. figured several were better than just one.


Maybe calicum is my problem. I don't eat dairy but I do eat soy yogurt which has cal. & rice milk, green leafy vegs, not sure what else has cal. I don't do well with cal. such as -if I do eat something that has some dairy in it I feel like it bothers my gallbladder or I may end up with a bladder infect. Somehow all this is connected. Haven't figured it all out in my mind.
Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 4:52pm; Reply: 216
timely....well, just reading this thread I recall wondering why I didn't have such a parched throat last night, as usual. And I skipped taking my mag. before bed for a couple days. Coincidence? maybe not.
Posted by: Swe71, Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 5:19pm; Reply: 217
OK, thanks Stefina, then I am not the only one..   :)
Maybe I am extra sensitive now when trying to get rid of the candida. Not to funny right now.

I´ll take a look at the extra type B supplements but I feel like I have a lot allready.. polyfora, ARA6, magnesium + Yeast/fungus protocol herbs...
Maybe Cortiguard or Nitricycle.
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 9:38am; Reply: 218
l'arginine is a superbene for us  ;)good idea (clap)and we must
realize that even here, our nonnieness drives us to adverse reactions... :P but..but..but...it depends greatly of the stuff and their amounts...if you begin slowly to introduce something
to your organisme...that might be much better than giving the hammer up from 500mg's....I realized this once I tried the oliveleaf.....(dizzy)(dizzy)(shhh)(whistle)that made me hyper as
well :P...but I never tried only 250 mg's...so....(huh)(shrug)
the orthomolecular amounts arent' always the best solution (blush)(blush)(pick_nose)(whistle)
Posted by: Stefina, Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 2:25pm; Reply: 219
Hi Swe71,

I added a calcium supp. to my nightly mag.  I only take 200mg of mag. because the 400mg does the hyper thing or messes up my bm.  

The calcium supp. I have is called Lean Balance. I had bought it before the BTD then checked the ingredients and they look o.k.

Vitamin D (as cholecalciferol) 132 IU 33%
Calcium (as carbonate, hydroxycitrate, and whey mineral complex) 404 mg 40%

Phosphorus (as whey mineral complex) 13.7 mg 1%
Chromium (as polynicotinate) 133 mcg 111%
Potassium (as hydroxycitrate) 218 mg 6%
Garcinia cambogia extract (fruit & rind)
Standardized for 60% (-) hydroxycitric acid
Gymnema sylvestre extract (leaf)
Standardized for 25% gymnemic acids
Grape extract (as Vitis vinifera) (skin)
Standardized for 20% proanthocyanidins 1.7 g **

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

   SourceCal
Caffein-free green tea extract (leaf)
Standardized for 95% polyphenols [70% catechins (45% epigallocatechin gallate, 10% epicatechin gallate, 8% epigallocatechin, 4% epicatechin, 3% gallocatechin gallate - 90 mg EGCG)]
Whey mineral complex
American ginseng (as Panax quinquefolius) (root)
Standardized for 3% ginsenosides
Policosanol 276 mg **

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It is sometimes labeled a weight loss supp. but it is not.  It doesn't have any of that stuff that's usually in those pills. I have not lost any weight on it.  Some of the stuff in it I'm not sure what it is.  

I'll post a link but I assure you that I didn't pay a high price for it.  I found them at The Dollar Tree after I had a dream that I should go there and find supplements for me.

http://www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=5495  

Weird I know, but it happens a lot to me.  When God directs me, He knows that I like a bargain.  

Speaking of bargain, I've got to go pay for the Lucky jeans on Ebay that I just won for $5. Woo hoo    
Posted by: BuzyBee, Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 2:26pm; Reply: 220
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jayneeo       
     
timely....well, just reading this thread I recall wondering why I didn't have such a parched throat last night, as usual. And I skipped taking my mag. before bed for a couple days. Coincidence? maybe not.


Jayneeo would you keep a tab on this and see if there is a connection with the mag and dehydration. Would be interested to see if anyone else deals with these symptons. Thanks
Posted by: Swe71, Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 3:31pm; Reply: 221
Quoted from Amazone I.
realize that even here, our nonnieness drives us to adverse reactions... :P but..but..but...it depends greatly of the stuff and their amounts...if you begin slowly to introduce something
to your organisme...that might be much better than giving the hammer up from 500mg's....

Good idea :), easy to forget when you are in a hurry to get well..

Quoted from Stefina
I added a calcium supp. to my nightly mag.  I only take 200mg of mag. because the 400mg does the hyper thing or messes up my bm.


I took the mag last evening before going to bed and I felt better, the day before I took it in the middle of the day, maybe not so good,.. for me atleast. I am not sure about calcium, if I need it or not, I eat yoghurt everyday.. I´ll wait and see what the mag does to me. I also received vitamin A today (yeast/fungus protocol). Thanks for the tip about Natural Vitamins Tomatilla.
Quoted from Stefina
I found them at The Dollar Tree after I had a dream that I should go there and find supplements for me.


Nice with some free guidance  :).

Posted by: Stefina, Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 4:27pm; Reply: 222
oh swe71 I just saw that you are a nonnie. didn't realize that before. Magnesium is a natural muscle relaxer so only take it at night?  

oh yeah, Epsom Salts for the bath. Seriously great for us and located at my favorite place "the dollar store".  Epsom salts are a form of Mag.  

Dr. D writes about it for Nomads but it makes sense for all Bs or people who need Mag. then it doesn't have to go thru your entire system.  
Posted by: Swe71, Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 8:04pm; Reply: 223
Thanks Stefina, I´ll try that.. me like hot bath  8).

Quoted from Stefina
oh yeah, Epsom Salts for the bath. Seriously great for us


Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, July 26, 2008, 9:18am; Reply: 224
aaannnndddd now I want to get to know your keirseytest results  ;D ;D ;D ;D(smarty)(think)(pray)(whistle)





btw. Mf. MSM is known here as a natural painkiller, and antiinflammation supp. better for you should be the intake of
fishoils & Curcuma, better results and more than double effects .... :D ;D ;D(clap)(book2)(sunny)
this is called preventive measurements  ;)
Posted by: Swe71, Saturday, July 26, 2008, 1:56pm; Reply: 225
Idealist (NF) (whistle)

OK, thanks for the tip. Do you use Curcuma in your food or some other way, capsules/tablets?

Found this on wikipedia
"Curcuma is a genus of about 80  :o  accepted species in the plant family Zingiberaceae that contains such species as turmeric and Siam Tulip."

I think I read somewhere about Turmeric beeing good. Do you mean Turmeric?

(sunny)
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, July 26, 2008, 3:49pm; Reply: 226
fine  :D(smarty)(clap)(dance)may I dig a bit  deeper...e or i  ??)

about curcuma, yessss also fine +- for everybody but not for O sechis, I guess coz it's also a bloodthinner; then perhaps better to go for ginger root in your case  ;) :D
The curcumaquestion ist mostly a superbene for A's& AB's... :B ;D :D.....Turmeric taken as a supplement 250-500mg's 2-3x daily is a great prevention suppl. in case for ca-prevention, dito during ca-treatments like chemo and/or radiation therapy  :)
here also the O's can use it.....but perhaps not that much in its' amounts  :-/ ??)......
I use the curcuma as described above ca-prevention,immunsystem enhacer and digestions aid  :D so the bloodthinner comes in as well but not really needed...I hope.... ::) ;D
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, July 26, 2008, 3:57pm; Reply: 227
turmeric is a diamond for us non sec Os! ;)

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?431

too good to not include in your diet!
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, July 26, 2008, 4:04pm; Reply: 228
(dizzy)(oh)(hehe)(hehe)here I read O non-sechis = neutral and O'sechis'
a bene....ouch and I thought that as being a bloodthinner not that well tolerated.... ??) :X :B ;D ;D
Posted by: Swe71, Saturday, July 26, 2008, 5:58pm; Reply: 229
Tee on ginger root is great  :).

I only got two letters without registering and paying on http://www.keirsey.com/. Is there anywhere elso you can do the full test for free?  ;D
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Saturday, July 26, 2008, 6:08pm; Reply: 230
Quoted from Stefina
I take Magnesium at night.  It has made me hyper a couple of times tho.  Usually it does not and helps me to sleep.  


That's interesting. Magnesium calms me and then lifts my mood
If I forget to take it, I know it... :)
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, July 26, 2008, 9:11pm; Reply: 231
http://www.dadamo.com/personality/ei.htm
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, July 28, 2008, 2:16pm; Reply: 232
aaargh of course here a all those you'd like to do and go for.... without any costs  ;) ;D ;D ;D


http://similarminds.compersonality_tests.html


I scored on the other tests sometimes infp....never ever  ;)
I am an INTP/J....hoppeling between p and j..... :P ;D ;D ;D
Posted by: speedy, Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:02pm; Reply: 233
I had really bad cramp pains in my calf muscle last night and I decided to take a Calcium/Magnesium supplement and the pain went - the tablet was called osteocare.Hope this helps someone else when the situation occurs :)

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Posted by: Swe71, Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 8:30am; Reply: 234
Did the full test, for free  ;D. I am INFJ.
Pretty close to ISFJ..

Introverted (I) 58.06% Extroverted (E) 41.94%
Intuitive (N) 51.72% Sensing (S) 48.28%
Feeling (F) 63.16% Thinking (T) 36.84%
Judging (J) 54.29% Perceiving (P) 45.71%
Posted by: italybound, Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 6:22pm; Reply: 235
Quoted from 815
Magnesium calms me and then lifts my mood
If I forget to take it, I know it... :)


Magnesium helps in the BM dept for me. I have been amazed at the dif since starting the mag. my ND suggested 400 mg, I'm doing 800........working beautifully. :-)

Isa, I can't get that link to work........is it just me? :-(
Posted by: Drea, Thursday, July 31, 2008, 2:21am; Reply: 236
I take magnesium internally for my bowel movements, but also have (recently) begun to put mag oil externally on my bumps. I have a couple of weird growths (one on my thigh, and one on my nose -- both very small) that I've been putting the mag oil onto, and the one on my thigh is now turning brown (after just 7 days). I'm hoping it will fall off and never return.  :)
Posted by: jayneeo, Monday, August 11, 2008, 7:33pm; Reply: 237
well I never thought I see the day that I got too much of a good thing, but after having diarrhea for a few weeks I realized I was taking too much mag!!!! At first I couldn't imagine what was going wrong and then it dawned on me.....I've been taking a lot of mag for a looong time and there is a build up I believe. Cuz I think at first the body needs the extra mag to make up for a lack....but then eventually it is enough already!!! :o Now I am back to normal, taking a lot less mag.
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, September 13, 2008, 6:13pm; Reply: 238
http://www.mgwater.com/listd.shtml#mgdef

Practically everything you ever wanted to know about magnesium is here.

And I've been reading this site daily for nearly two weeks.  What I've discovered is that a lot
of my aches and pains might be because I'd been taking too much calcium and have managed to actually give myself a deficiency of magnesium.  Also when D is high, magnesium levels
fall.  The latest research keeps saying to take more D, but these articles show evidence that
it's not necessarily true. More calcium might be absorbed but more magnesium is lost.

In the left hand corner of this site is an entire book online by Mildred Seelig that I've been
reading.  Fascinating information for anyone wanting to understand the pathogensis of
magnesium deficiency.
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, September 14, 2008, 8:04am; Reply: 239
Swe 71...so you are the best example as PD desribes the B's ;)  ;D :D(clap)(dance)(ok)(smarty)(kewl)
Posted by: keithallenlaw, Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 5:30am; Reply: 240
Quoted from 1323


Yes I'm anxious to try the Magnesium Oil as well but I'm waiting to see how my levels are as my NP just ordered a full vit/mineral level test on me.  

But again... I am using the Natural Calm as shown above... anyone else????

This Natural Calm is a very superior product. I have used it a lot over the years. Magnesium regulates heart rate
and there was a study done with heart attack victims and very low magnesium
deficiencies. Magnesium with Boron are
the catalyst to assimilating Calcium.

What makes the natural calm so effective? You mix it with boiling water and the
fizzy reaction gives it a strong ionic
charge that adheres to the negitive receptors in the gut. I may have polarity mixed up but you get my point. Yes, too
much will give you very loose bowls.
It works wonders for a good night sleep
and smooths out the mylon sheath, the
outer coating on the nerves. Very relaxing indeed.

I'm not responsible for this statement
and you should seek medical attention.
My father had bad chest pains one afternoon and I gave him a strong
glass of this ionized magnesium
and with-in minutes the chest pains
where gone. Anxiety? Natural Calm!

The Magnesium Oil looks interesting.
I'll research. Thanks!

keith
  
Posted by: 794 (Guest), Friday, December 12, 2008, 4:15am; Reply: 241
Ok, whenever I balance my calcium and magnesium my muscles are less stiff and don't accumulate toxins.  When I was little I had night terrors and when I was 20 I had a night terror from overdosing on calcium.  Ok now when detoxing from the GTD I had the same issue but when awake.  I was detoxing from Uric Acid so bad I could smell it in my nose and taste it.  So when I detox on the GTD is it safe to say that I need magnesium?
Posted by: Lola, Friday, December 12, 2008, 5:54am; Reply: 242
I d stick to my GT plan......it will balance things out eventually.
Posted by: Eric, Friday, December 12, 2008, 7:38am; Reply: 243
Speaking of magnesium oil, I just bought a bottle on-line.  I was really surprised how amazingly well it works!  It's definitely a keeper in my book!
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 5:27pm; Reply: 244
About Magnesium:

The bottle we have is Magnesium Citrate at 400 mg.

We take it with dinner as recommended but I notice I get exhausted from it making me sleepy way to early in the evening.

I know many others take theirs at bedtime, but this bottle of tabs says to take it with dinner.

Would it hurt to take on a semi empty or completely empty tummy?  And why do they recommend taking it with dinner do you think?
Posted by: kauaian, Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 6:41pm; Reply: 245
Hey people,
Can taking magnesium cause insomnia ?  Should I take more ?  I take about 800 mg phytocal to 500 mg magnesium.  What would be the best form to take ?
Posted by: Alek, Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 7:02pm; Reply: 246

I do magnesium oil for the past two years, and I am very happy with it, and if I miss for some reason to put it on the body, I take 40 drops in a glass of water and drink it just before going to bed.
Posted by: kauaian, Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 8:09pm; Reply: 247
Quoted from Alek

I do magnesium oil for the past two years, and I am very happy with it, and if I miss for some reason to put it on the body, I take 40 drops in a glass of water and drink it just before going to bed.


I would like to try some, but I'm afraid I won't tolerate the sticky business.  How can I get around this problem & where can I get some ?

Sorry if this was already answered somewhere in thread, but I am @ work & cannot read back through.  ;D
Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 10:00pm; Reply: 248
Here's what I've been buying although I have a gallon I bought online that's almost
used up.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU485/ItemDetail?n=4294967189

I pump about 5-6 sprays into my hand...rub it on one arm..do the same for the other
arm...same for each leg...5-6 sprays in hand rubbed in for each location...Then I pump again same
amount for my torso...and rub some on my shoulders and whatever part of my back
I can reach.  Then I wait 30 minutes.  First time you use it, it might burn a bit...
you can water it down so it's diluted....After 30 minutes it's totally absorbed so your
body has gotten the benefits.  Then I take a shower and I'm not sticky.

Also, if you want to totally avoid putting in on your body, do it as a foot bath...
pour some in a small tub of warm water and soak your feet...or put some in the tub
and take a 30 minute bath and then rinse.

I do this every day...the spraying, ie...and it's really pretty easy.
Posted by: kauaian, Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 11:25pm; Reply: 249
Thanks Chloe,
I will try your method.  I need to do something, I have been having insomnia for a long time & sometimes I wake in am, stretch a little & my calf would cramp up PAINFUL & sometimes my toes during the day.

How do you water it down ?  Just in case if I need to.
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, July 9, 2009, 12:02am; Reply: 250
Quoted from kauaian
Thanks Chloe,
I will try your method.  I need to do something, I have been having insomnia for a long time & sometimes I wake in am, stretch a little & my calf would cramp up PAINFUL & sometimes my toes during the day.

How do you water it down ?  Just in case if I need to.


Hi...

Get a spray bottle and fill half with water and half with magnesium oil...then double the sprays you apply to each part of your body...

Or if you order your product in a spray bottle, dump half out and save it to another
container and just fill the amount you dumped out with water.



Posted by: Alek, Thursday, July 9, 2009, 9:06am; Reply: 251


I get it from this company.

http://www.health-and-wisdom.com/magnesium.htm

Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, July 9, 2009, 1:21pm; Reply: 252
Alek, do you understand what to do with those prills?
Posted by: Alek, Thursday, July 9, 2009, 4:13pm; Reply: 253

Chloe, open all the links at the bottom, and it explains all.

quote:

Prill Satchel - have a virtually endless supply of Prill water! One satchel will treat one gallon of water for years & years!!

Posted by: kauaian, Thursday, July 9, 2009, 6:42pm; Reply: 254
Thanks Alek,
Ordered yesterday.  Anybody know if Phytocal that contains magnesium & I think D has enough ? It seems like such a small amt.
Posted by: Gale D., Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 6:54pm; Reply: 255
I want to jump in here because I have a Magnesium deficiency. I take 800-1000 mg. Magnesium-Glycinate at bedtime for specific symptoms. Mag-Gly is easily absorb-able, and does not cause bowel symptoms.

I react severely to Calcium supplementation. It was recommended to me that if I take Calcium I should have a Magnesium ratio of 3:1 (three Mag:1 Cal). So far that has worked well.

I also take 2000 IU of liquid Vitamin D daily, for a deficiency.
Posted by: BuzyBee, Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 6:04pm; Reply: 256
You know- I am so confused about magnesium/mineral oil. Everyone that takes it has great results but me. I have posted this statement before but just had another experience with it so here goes. I become extremely dehydrated and have to drink water constantly, even get up at night and drink, and get constipated instead of a normal bowel movement.

I just bought some deodorant with mineral water which I really like but I'm getting the same symptoms. I guess I will just stop using the deodorant and see if these symptoms clear up. I truly don't understand.  
Posted by: Plucky, Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 7:34pm; Reply: 257
Just had an ah-ha moment.... I recently started taking magnesium (I read that you shouldn't take  calcium alone, but need to take magnesium with it, so I bought some) and since then, I've been having more of a constipation problem and I haven't been sleeping well at all...having weird muscle cramps and lots of twitching, even when I'm not sleeping, but they are most noticable when I'm in bed.  I hadn't put it together before.  I'm going to remove it from my little box of supplements and see what happens.
Posted by: kauaian, Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 8:22pm; Reply: 258
Quoted from Plucky
Just had an ah-ha moment.... I recently started taking magnesium (I read that you shouldn't take  calcium alone, but need to take magnesium with it, so I bought some) and since then, I've been having more of a constipation problem and I haven't been sleeping well at all...having weird muscle cramps and lots of twitching, even when I'm not sleeping, but they are most noticable when I'm in bed.  I hadn't put it together before.  I'm going to remove it from my little box of supplements and see what happens.


Hey Plucky,
Keep me posted.  I have been noticing some strange stuff myself.  Seems like when I take mag citrate, I get dry mouth & worse insomnia.  Been having the insomnia problem for over a year.  I started mag supplements to go along w/ the phytocal because it seemed like a really small amt in the phytocal.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 2:56am; Reply: 259
if taking magnesium for muscle relaxation, it is best to take it away from food (absorb it faster) and away from calcium
because they compete with each other.  
If taking magnesium along with calcium for bone health, take with food (because the calcium is hard for the body to absorb).
Posted by: BuzyBee, Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 2:51pm; Reply: 260
So others have experienced the same symptoms. I thought I was the only one. You have to wonder what makes us have a different reaction than the rest of the people. Our bodies must lack something. I didn't use my mineral deodorant this morning to see if my symptoms go away. I will wait a week or so to see what happens.
Posted by: Plucky, Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 3:17pm; Reply: 261
Is mineral oil full of magnesium?  I put that stuff in my bathwater once when I was a teenager to soften up my skin.  I ended up with hives all over.  I'm sure it's in some of my skin/hair care products, but I haven't used it straight since.
Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 6:01pm; Reply: 262
Quoted from Plucky
Is mineral oil full of magnesium?  I put that stuff in my bathwater once when I was a teenager to soften up my skin.  I ended up with hives all over.  I'm sure it's in some of my skin/hair care products, but I haven't used it straight since.


Please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you meaning magnesium oil?  You
don't want to ingest mineral oil.  It's a harsh laxative.

Magnesium oil isn't oil at all but feels oily on the skin..It's a way to transdermally
get magnesium into your body without having to take so much orally that you
get diarrhea.  Magnesium oil is actually magnesium chloride.

Read more about it here: http://ezinearticles.com/?Whats-All-the-Buzz-About-Magnesium-Oil?&id=1718838

or google magnesium oil.  Loads of info online.
Posted by: Plucky, Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 7:37pm; Reply: 263
No, I was responding to BusyBee's comment about "magnesium/mineral oil" wondering if they were the same.  I wouldn't drink the stuff, for sure, especially after breaking out in hives from it  :)
Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 8:28pm; Reply: 264
Quoted from Plucky
No, I was responding to BusyBee's comment about "magnesium/mineral oil" wondering if they were the same.  I wouldn't drink the stuff, for sure, especially after breaking out in hives from it  :)


No, they're not the same thing at all.

This is about mineral oil and magnesium oil already has a link for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_oil

Posted by: Plucky, Thursday, September 3, 2009, 12:27pm; Reply: 265
As I drifted off to sleep last night I realized I hadn't had a muscle cramp or twitch in a couple of days, after being off the magnesium for a week.  Yeah!
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, September 3, 2009, 7:23pm; Reply: 266
Have you seen this youtube video on transdermal magnesium (magnesium chloride)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgxZ_azNySU
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, December 6, 2009, 5:53am; Reply: 267
I was told you absorb the Magnesium better at night  ??) :-/ I haven't fully put it to the test yet, but it seems that when I take Calcium Magnesium (2:1) I wake up a few times in the night with stiff knees.. :-/ & need to stretch my legs & then the joints "click" & feel better... ??) If I don't take the Cal Mag they seem better... ::) ??)
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, December 6, 2009, 7:55pm; Reply: 268
Quoted from BuzyBee
You know- I am so confused about magnesium/mineral oil.  


As others have said, mineral oil doesn't have anything to do with magnesium.  Magnesium used on the skin is called magnesium oil, but it isn't really an oil.  It is a mineral however, and maybe that is the cause of this misunderstanding.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, December 6, 2009, 7:57pm; Reply: 269
Quoted from Possum
I was told you absorb the Magnesium better at night  ??) :-/ I haven't fully put it to the test yet, but it seems that when I take Calcium Magnesium (2:1) I wake up a few times in the night with stiff knees.. :-/ & need to stretch my legs & then the joints "click" & feel better... ??) If I don't take the Cal Mag they seem better... ::) ??)


The form these minerals are in, is an important consideration.  All supplements are not created equal, and different people handle different types better than others.

Many calcium supplements are hard to digest.  The Phyto Cal is from seaweed, for example, and is much more easily utilized than calcium from carbonate and bone meal; and for some stomachs calcium citrate can be too acidic.  Experiment with different kinds.

Same with the supplemental magnesium.  I played around with a number of different kinds . . citrate, asporatate, etc.  I end up rotating different ones and I've found a couple of brands of magnesium that work for me.
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, December 6, 2009, 10:58pm; Reply: 270
Thanks Victoria ;)
Posted by: kauaian, Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 8:21pm; Reply: 271
Quoted from Gale D.
I want to jump in here because I have a Magnesium deficiency. I take 800-1000 mg. Magnesium-Glycinate at bedtime for specific symptoms. Mag-Gly is easily absorb-able, and does not cause bowel symptoms.

I react severely to Calcium supplementation. It was recommended to me that if I take Calcium I should have a Magnesium ratio of 3:1 (three Mag:1 Cal). So far that has worked well.

I also take 2000 IU of liquid Vitamin D daily, for a deficiency.


What kind of symptoms do you have?  I trying to decide if it's the magnesium or the calcium that's causing me a problem.  I take Phytocal & magnesium gycinate.  Have noticed muscle twitching in right back upper shoulder area when relaxed & seems like my joints (hands) feel stiffer @ night.  Also have been waking @ 3 am & lie there for awhile b4 I can fall back asleep. :-/
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 8:51pm; Reply: 272
Muscle twitching and tightness of muscles sound like magnesium deficiency.

Calcium is more related to bones.
Magnesium is more related to soft tissue.
Posted by: Golfzilla, Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 8:55pm; Reply: 273
Quoted from Victoria
Muscle twitching and tightness of muscles sound like magnesium deficiency.

Calcium is more related to bones.
Magnesium is more related to soft tissue.


What would you recommend V..?
Did I read it can help sleep too?
GZ
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 9:15pm; Reply: 274
It can help sleep if you are magnesium deficient.  There can be a lot of reasons for insomnia.

I keep increasing my intake of magnesium until loose stools occur.  Then I back off just a little until I have normal stools again.  At present, I am taking about 1,200 mg of calcium via Clear Cal (NAP).  And I taking anywhere between 700 to 900mg magnesium.  

My daughter takes about 1,200 mg Calcium and close to 1,500 mg. magnesium.

The only negative side effect I know of is loose stools when you exceed what your body needs.  More people are deficient than those consuming an excess.  It's worth a try.
Posted by: Golfzilla, Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 9:17pm; Reply: 275
Thanks V, the mag you take is also from NAP?
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 9:54pm; Reply: 276
No.  As far as I know, they don't sell a straight mag. supplement.  I rotate around different kinds and my current favorites are . .

Magnesium Asporotate by Solaray.

and Advanced Magnesium by Answers from Nature.

I buy them at my natural food store.  You can usually Google search and compare prices to get the best deals if you shop online.  
Posted by: Golfzilla, Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 10:02pm; Reply: 277
Will give it a go - thanks again :)
Posted by: Golfzilla, Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 10:01pm; Reply: 278
Quoted from Lola
if taking magnesium for muscle relaxation, it is best to take it away from food (absorb it faster) and away from calcium
because they compete with each other.  
If taking magnesium along with calcium for bone health, take with food (because the calcium is hard for the body to absorb).


What range in units would be considered normal ??)
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 11:39pm; Reply: 279
this is something you ll find interesting
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/PATHbase/depict.cgi?91
concerning the sleep patterns or lack thereof....
Posted by: Golfzilla, Thursday, December 31, 2009, 1:43am; Reply: 280
Quoted from Lola
this is something you ll find interesting
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/PATHbase/depict.cgi?91
concerning the sleep patterns or lack thereof....


Hmmm, it is interesting however would I not have the associated pain as described ??)
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, December 31, 2009, 4:02am; Reply: 281
thought you did or starting to notice certain joint pain.....
Posted by: Golfzilla, Thursday, December 31, 2009, 4:09am; Reply: 282
Quoted from Lola
thought you did or starting to notice certain joint pain.....


Lola, thanks for thinking of me but at this point no joint frequent pain thankfully :)
Posted by: Golfzilla, Thursday, December 31, 2009, 4:14am; Reply: 283
Quoted from Lola
thought you did or starting to notice certain joint pain.....


And, what are you doing up so late :-/
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, December 31, 2009, 4:31am; Reply: 284
the night is just beginning!! ;D
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, December 31, 2009, 4:33am; Reply: 285
Quoted from Lola
if taking magnesium for muscle relaxation, it is best to take it away from food (absorb it faster) and away from calcium
because they compete with each other.  
If taking magnesium along with calcium for bone health, take with food (because the calcium is hard for the body to absorb).


I didn't know that! I've been taking both my cal/mag supplement (for bone health) at night along with the extra magnesium citrate. I'll switch things around- take plain magnesium at bedtime and then the cal/mag with my morning supplements.
Posted by: Sharon, Thursday, December 31, 2009, 5:09am; Reply: 286
Is chocolate a good source of magnesium?  
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, December 31, 2009, 6:31am; Reply: 287
preferably cocoa powder
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2009/12/24/dark-chocolate-protects-dna-and-the-hear?blog=14
Posted by: Golfzilla, Thursday, December 31, 2009, 1:44pm; Reply: 288
Quoted from Lola


Whoo hoo cocoa for B'fast with my roast beef & veggies!!!(woot)
Posted by: Debra+, Thursday, December 31, 2009, 4:36pm; Reply: 289
Quoted from Golfzilla


And, what are you doing up so late :-/


Don't you know Golfzilla...Lola sleeps with one eye open and one hand on the keyboard. ;)

Debra :)

Posted by: Golfzilla, Thursday, December 31, 2009, 5:25pm; Reply: 290
Quoted from Debra+


Don't you know Golfzilla...Lola sleeps with one eye open and one hand on the keyboard. ;)

Debra :)



Evidently - LOL!
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, December 31, 2009, 6:02pm; Reply: 291
(sleep)(sleep)(wiseman)(ondrugs)(smarty2)(hehe)(sunny) ;)......
Posted by: Cristina, Thursday, December 31, 2009, 10:12pm; Reply: 292
and all for our own benefit... Thank you Lola for that!!!   :P :) :)
Posted by: Golfzilla, Thursday, December 31, 2009, 11:38pm; Reply: 293
Indeed, much appreciated!(clap)
Posted by: Lola, Friday, January 1, 2010, 12:08am; Reply: 294
:K)

I sleep with hub.....
stop spreading such rumors, might ruin my reputation!! :P
Posted by: kittykar1, Friday, January 1, 2010, 1:45am; Reply: 295
Maybe mole sauce daily with beef (Yummmm) :D
Posted by: Debra+, Friday, January 1, 2010, 3:09pm; Reply: 296
:K)  Back atcha Lola. ;)

Debra :)
Posted by: Easy E, Friday, October 15, 2010, 7:18pm; Reply: 297
Magnesium is said to be one of the most important minerals for your body.  It helps many diff. functions.  I've even heard that many disorders that are seen are a result of a mg deficiency.
Posted by: kauaian, Friday, October 15, 2010, 11:34pm; Reply: 298
That's a shame, they will prescribe meds instead of mag :-/
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Monday, October 18, 2010, 8:48am; Reply: 299
Quoted from BuzyBee


Jayneeo would you keep a tab on this and see if there is a connection with the mag and dehydration. Would be interested to see if anyone else deals with these symptons. Thanks


So much great info on this thread! Will get myself and the rest of my family on it especially my B type step dad. He needs it so bad.

As for dehydration with Magnesium... Magnesium is the mineral needed to help keep moisture in the bowel. Hence helping everyone with better bowel movements. If you are experiencing an increased need for water while taking Magnesium it means that your body has been dehydrated for a long time and is starting to rehydrate everything! It's a great thing! Don't stop taking your magnesium though. It won't make you dehydrated, it will just signal your body to increase the water intake because it's utilizing what water you have already added.  ;D YAY!

Also for skin tags, moles and such... very excited to start using mag oil! WOO HOO!
Posted by: Easy E, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 4:46am; Reply: 300
I take magnesium nearly every day after a doc said i should take it.  It is supposedly one of the very most important minerals for the body to function corrrectly.
Posted by: Nadizzle, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 11:58am; Reply: 301
OK - so I just found this thread, and I am intrigued!!!!

I now know why I crave almonds all the time!!!!! I have read a few times about the deficiency in Mag for B's, but now some more things make sense. When I eat completely right for my type, I dont have very good bowel movements. Hello!???!! Mag softens your bowels! makes sense! I have always noticed that when I eat A LOT of almonds, my bowels run smoother. I was thinking it was from the fat content the almonds, but now I get it that it is magnesium.

I am thrilled at this new "lightbulb" that just went off in my head! I am going to go out and get some magnesium today and give it a go.

(wink)(woot)


Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 12:01pm; Reply: 302
There are many different kinds of magnesium out there- magnesium oil is supposed to be the best kind because it's absorbed through the skin.
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 4:06pm; Reply: 303
As an A I need extra zinc in my diet. Zinc comes from meat but eating meat protein just doesn't feel good or work for my type - of course.

In general I feel great on my btd/gtd/swami but supplementing is definitely important.

Every B I know needs magnesium. Badly. Than again being that most people are magnesium deficient and if you are over weight you are even more deficient... well oh well... we have some supplementing to do, don't we.

Also taking magnesium orally just increases the moisture in your bowels. Magnesium is needed for more than good bowel movements. That is why I recommend magnesium oil that you spray onto the skin. Getting your vitamins through your skin means that your body gets what it needs everywhere. From the outside in. If you just take it orally you would need to take alot and often and hope it stays in your bowels long enough to be absorbed and be more than just expensive poop. lol
Posted by: Nadizzle, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 5:10pm; Reply: 304

HAHA! YES! I do have some supplementing to do! I picked up some chelated magnesium, and you know what??? I am mad because I looked at the oil, and decided to "think about it" . Oh well, after the capsules run out, I will get the oil.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 6:44pm; Reply: 305
Nadizzle, thank you for making the connection b/t almonds, magnesium and loose stools, and for writing about it.  Almonds are black dot on the Explorer GTD, so I always thought that they didn't agree with me for that reason (even though they're neutral on my SWAMI).  Knowing that they're loaded with magnesium puts me at ease.
Posted by: deblynn3, Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 12:13pm; Reply: 306
I ordered some Nascent Iodine 2;% from LL magnetic Clay Inc. and they sent me a free sample of their Ancient Mineral (1oz) and a small pk of the gel.

I'm putting the iodine on some sun spots to see if that will fade them, but tried the magnesium spray last night. I did notice that I was less stiff this morning. So I'll spray again tonight and see if DH will also try it.
Posted by: Mother, Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 1:11pm; Reply: 307
I'm wondering how one should take calcium and mag if you want both bone health and muscle health. I use NAP calcium and triple magnesium. It's 350mg mag oxide, 40mg citrate and 10mg aspartate. I take 2 mag caps a day and one calcium as it's in my multi as well

what do I take with food and away from food to benefit both?
Posted by: deblynn3, Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 8:14pm; Reply: 308
There is another thread on magnesium. Comment was made not to take both together. So maybe take one during the day the other at night. But which when I'm not sure about.
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Thursday, March 24, 2011, 9:19am; Reply: 309
Always take calcium with food.

Spray on magnesium and take your D3's at night before bed. You'll sleep like a baby.
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, March 24, 2011, 9:32am; Reply: 310
Quoted from christaalyssaA+
Always take calcium with food.

Spray on magnesium and take your D3's at night before bed. You'll sleep like a baby.
What cry all night & wet the bed ;D :D

Oh I didn't know that first bit...What about those supplements that have all three combined? & I had heard you needed B6 & calcium together to transport the magnesium?? :-/ Are they just trying to get us to buy more stuff? ??) ;)

Posted by: Jesi, Thursday, March 24, 2011, 5:11pm; Reply: 311
I've been sleeping SO deeply (unheard of for me) that I have trouble waking up int he am (I prob should just go to bed earlier, but I have so much energy that I don't, lol). My skin looks great too, I've been putting it on my face (well, everywhere really) and also brushing my teeth with it like Chrysta said. I also sprayed it under my tongue...it's not pleasant.

I put some on hubby's back the other night because he was in pain, and yesterday I noticed he had a horrific rash coming out of his sweater all on his neck...I checked his back, and it was all red and broken out. When I put it on him, he didn't itch at all. This is super weird to me. My 9 year old itches and scratches like crazy to the point where I have to stick her in the shower like 15 min into it, yet he didn't itch at all. The rash just baffled me though.
Posted by: Nadizzle, Thursday, March 24, 2011, 5:31pm; Reply: 312
Jesi - you are just using the oil? No oral supplements? I just started the oral 250mg three times a day. Wondering if I should take more than that. And I am going to get the oil, just have to wait a bit for cash purposes.
Posted by: Jesi, Friday, March 25, 2011, 2:59am; Reply: 313
I'm using it all! LOL. I spray every area of my body and even once under the tongue, then I brush my teeth. I might be overdoing it. I am still taking the 400 mg of mag citrate. I am very deficient though...recently had it tested. I don't even know how I was functioning. I sprayed it on the back of my knees today and it looks like they got burnt. That has probably hurt the most. My face is second most painful, but it looks shiny and healthy and I am super happy. My teeth are SUPER white...and I haven't brushed with regular toothpaste in 4 days (I don't ever really have bad breath if not I would, lol, don't want to give a bad impression now). I had been using the tooth powder but it seemed to be making my teeth more transparent than before).

Anyhow...I sure am glad you can't overdose on mag! I'm spraying everyone around here. Good thing the neighbor hasn't come out to chat or I'd spray her too.
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Friday, March 25, 2011, 5:14am; Reply: 314
Possum - lol You're so funny! haha

With calcium it depletes the magnesium in our body when we take it. If you take calcium at the same time as magnesium you are just pretty much canceling them both out. So why take them? Because 80% of all people or mag deficient it just goes to show why osteoporosis is so high. People are having a hard time absorbing the calcium they are getting.

And yes. "They" are always trying to get us to buy more stuff.


Jesi! Good for you! Just remember that your body is using your sleep time to heal things in your body. Especially since you are following your btd you are healing DNA while sleeping. Try to allow yourself to wake up when you body wants to wake up if you can. Of course that isn't possible for the majority of us.
Posted by: Nadizzle, Friday, March 25, 2011, 11:34am; Reply: 315
Quoted from Jesi
I'm using it all! LOL. I spray every area of my body and even once under the tongue, then I brush my teeth. I might be overdoing it. I am still taking the 400 mg of mag citrate. I am very deficient though...recently had it tested. I don't even know how I was functioning. I sprayed it on the back of my knees today and it looks like they got burnt. That has probably hurt the most. My face is second most painful, but it looks shiny and healthy and I am super happy. My teeth are SUPER white...and I haven't brushed with regular toothpaste in 4 days (I don't ever really have bad breath if not I would, lol, don't want to give a bad impression now). I had been using the tooth powder but it seemed to be making my teeth more transparent than before).

Anyhow...I sure am glad you can't overdose on mag! I'm spraying everyone around here. Good thing the neighbor hasn't come out to chat or I'd spray her too.


Jesi - You are so funny! LOL you made me laugh this morning big time! :)

Posted by: Jesi, Friday, March 25, 2011, 4:52pm; Reply: 316
Quoted from christaalyssaA+


Jesi! Good for you! Just remember that your body is using your sleep time to heal things in your body. Especially since you are following your btd you are healing DNA while sleeping. Try to allow yourself to wake up when you body wants to wake up if you can. Of course that isn't possible for the majority of us.


Ahhhhhh this would be heavenly. I wake up feeling really heavy (but rested)...like I just want to crawl back in bed. Hopefully tomorrow morning hubby will let me sleep in.

Nadizzle I'm happy you got a chuckle out of that! =-)
Posted by: Nadizzle, Friday, March 25, 2011, 6:27pm; Reply: 317
So it has only been four days since I started taking magnesium...

Is it possible that the puffy moles on my face are not so puffy? Or is this all in my head because I am looking for it? I swear they are shrinking. Possible???

I also started taking Vit D3 2000 iu's a day. along with B5 and sarsaparilla. all started the same day so I guess it would be hard to know what benefits are from what supplement. All three of these can have benefits on the skin.
Posted by: BTypeAUS, Friday, March 25, 2011, 10:05pm; Reply: 318
I started taking magnesium to help with my back pain...it's great !
Posted by: Possum, Friday, March 25, 2011, 10:23pm; Reply: 319
Quoted from christaalyssaA+
Possum - lol You're so funny! haha

With calcium it depletes the magnesium in our body when we take it. If you take calcium at the same time as magnesium you are just pretty much canceling them both out. So why take them? Because 80% of all people or mag deficient it just goes to show why osteoporosis is so high. People are having a hard time absorbing the calcium they are getting.

And yes. "They" are always trying to get us to buy more stuff.
Well that is something I did not know ::) I have always been told (at work) that you need cal mag together, preferably 2:1??!! We do have a Solgar cal mag though, that is 1:1??? Why would manufacturers do that?? Apart from trying to sell more product :-/

Posted by: Jesi, Friday, March 25, 2011, 10:26pm; Reply: 320
you know what's funny, is my moles are getting puffier! Maybe they'll fall off! I think I'd probably faint. I recently had two small ones removed. I have two more small ones I'd like removed and one on my back...I'm spraying the oil on them to see what happens.

If you're deficient on Vit D you can take a lot more than 2,000 iu. I was taking 10,000 a day but now that my levels went up I dropped down to 5,000. My daughter takes 2,000.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, March 26, 2011, 6:51am; Reply: 321
If using the Cal/Mag together does not work, try JUST magnesium.  Magnesium is necessary for many functions in the body (as is calcium), but for this specific problem, it is the magnesium alone that you are looking for.  Calcium and magnesium are very similar ions and tend to counteract each other.  Calcium helps contract muscles, magnesium helps relax them.  Therefore, taking them together for muscle relaxation is futile.
calcium during the day (when you need to contract your muscles to move) and magnesium at night (when you need them to relax). :)
Posted by: BTypeAUS, Saturday, March 26, 2011, 7:59am; Reply: 322
I read somewhere that calcium supplements can cause heart attacks, is this true?
I only take magnesium plus a B complex with it which includes B 6
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, March 26, 2011, 8:29am; Reply: 323
stick to the right calcium sources preferably

most supplements sell calcium carbonate, synonymous of chalk :-/

Dr D s is best
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT008B

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP037

try and determine the BT connection in everything you read.......
we are all individuals
Posted by: Mother, Saturday, March 26, 2011, 11:38am; Reply: 324
should one take D with the calcium in the morning or with the mag at night for best absorption?
Posted by: Mother, Saturday, March 26, 2011, 9:45pm; Reply: 325
can calcium or mag cause leg tingling. They've been tingling when I work out
Posted by: Nadizzle, Sunday, March 27, 2011, 2:55pm; Reply: 326
MOTHER - I dont know the right answer to that, but I am taking my magnesium all through the day 250mgs with Breakfas,t lunch and dinner. I couple that with the D3 at breakfast and at dinner, but sounds like I can up my D3 a little.

So total I take 750mgs Mag
2000 iu's D3 - I am going to up it to 3000, maybe more.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, March 27, 2011, 6:10pm; Reply: 327
I heard that you should take calcium and magnesium together if you want to increase calcium absorbtion/ for bone health, but magnesium by itself for muscle soreness/magnesium deficiency. I used to take a cal/mag/zinc in the AM adn then a separate magnesium at night. I stopped the mag at night when I switched to transdermal magnesium oil. I vascilate between takign the cal/mag in the morning or not- some days I take 2 (as rcomended on the bottle) some days one, some days none.

Today I took an oral magnesium pill for constipation releif, but once i'm back to my normal diet I'll stop that again.
Posted by: Chloe, Sunday, March 27, 2011, 6:22pm; Reply: 328
FYI,..... loads of magnesium information here.

http://web.mit.edu/london/www/magnesium.html
Posted by: battle dwarf, Sunday, March 27, 2011, 6:32pm; Reply: 329
maybe i should steal moms bottle of mag oil for my hip/back and see if i can at least make it more functional. went dancing last night and that muscle between the hip and lower back is killing me. on the med pain scale i think i would give it an eight.
Posted by: Possum, Monday, March 28, 2011, 12:42am; Reply: 330
Chloe - thanks for that link...One of the things I picked up was:

"Taking magnesium with calcium is often suggested, because the 2 minerals work together in buildling bones.  Another good reason for taking the calcium, is that calcium (especially calcium carbonate) can offset some of the laxative effect from the magnesium.  Traditionally, it's been recommended to take calcium and magnesium in a ratio of 2/1, as that is the ratio of the RDA of calcium and magnesium.  However, magnesium is often poorly absorbed, so many doctors believe the ratio should be closer to 1/1."

So I guess since it fascilitates over 300 functions in your body, it would depend what you are taking it for? Which is inline with what you posted Ruthie??!!
Posted by: Junebug1978, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 5:16am; Reply: 331
Quoted from Lola
If using the Cal/Mag together does not work, try JUST magnesium.  Magnesium is necessary for many functions in the body (as is calcium), but for this specific problem, it is the magnesium alone that you are looking for.  Calcium and magnesium are very similar ions and tend to counteract each other.  Calcium helps contract muscles, magnesium helps relax them.  Therefore, taking them together for muscle relaxation is futile.
calcium during the day (when you need to contract your muscles to move) and magnesium at night (when you need them to relax). :)



Thanks for this Lola! My mother, who has had a heart attack, almost half of her colon removed from diverticulitis, etc. was told to take both of them. The massive dose of Magnesium of course sends her to the bathroom more times than not but, she takes them both together! Oddly enough, the magnesium is to help with severe muscle cramps and yet she still seems to have them. So, now it makes total sense! Thanks for passing this on!!
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 5:38am; Reply: 332
Junebug, calcium and magnesium can also be taken at separate times during the day so that if a person does need them both, they don't interfere with each other.
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 6:26am; Reply: 333
I was recently made aware of Magnesium as needed for muscle cramping.. and maybe Neuropathy..  I was told by my doctor that it is hard to absorb, but that Phillips Milk of Magnesia will work fine, but will give a person diarrhea.. I was willing to try anything.

I have been taking it for when I get muscle cramping before my trigeminal neuro headaches, and it did not give me diarrhea -- but it seems to help me before the stress induced headaches come on..sort of prevention...  

and maybe within the last few days since I took it every other day, it helped with bathroom visits.. So for me.. Magnesium seems to cause no elimination issues, or maybe only when one does not need MORE of it..    

This is relatively new for me, but it looks help and hopeful..  
Posted by: Joyce, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 7:59am; Reply: 334
Magnesium oxide is very poorly absorbed and more use as a laxative than for anything else.

snip from the link below:
Only about 4% of its elemental magnesium is absorbed or about 12 mg out of a 500 mg tablet. end snip

Chelated magnesium [magnesium glycinate] is far better.  Dr's Best do one but put black pepper in it to aid absorption, my stomach is hopeless with that one, so I use KAL brand which suits me fine.

http://www.yourhealthbase.com/database/ihnmagnesium.html
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 5:51pm; Reply: 335
It sounds like your mom isn't absorbing the magnesium she's taking- so it causes loose stools, but little is getting into the body to do what it has to do.

She may benefit from using magnesium topically rather than internally, using epsom salts soaks and/or magnesium oil. You can do a search for magnesium oil (magnesium chloride) for more information on how to use that.
Posted by: Junebug1978, Sunday, June 17, 2012, 7:39pm; Reply: 336
Thanks for all the info everyone! It was very helpful. Mom has changed her schedule of taking the two supplements to start and we'll see in the next day or so how it goes!

You guys are just amazing here, thanks so much for all the information and exeriences that you share! :)
Posted by: Lola, Monday, June 18, 2012, 4:24am; Reply: 337

Quoted Text
calcium and magnesium can also be taken at separate times during the day so that if a person does need them both, they don't interfere with each other.


Quoted Text
calcium during the day (when you need to contract your muscles to move) and magnesium at night (when you need them to relax).
:D
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-pres/m-1177715123/s-300/#num321
Posted by: Golfzilla, Monday, October 29, 2012, 9:17pm; Reply: 338
Quoted from Ellie
I found this on my internet travels, reminded me that as a B I may be prone to magnesium deficiency, isn't it amazing what a lack of one vitamin/mineral can do?
(i certainly have some of the problems listed).

http://forum.t-tapp.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=32662

Anyone taking or has taken magnesium, how long till you notice if it's made a difference (i know, this could be like asking "how long's a piece of string?") ?


Ellie, would you mind resending this link? I cannot get it to open even copying it to another browser...
Thx!
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, October 29, 2012, 11:58pm; Reply: 339
Looks like the original magnesium thread doesn't exist anymore.  Try this one.

http://forum.t-tapp.com/showthread.php?55532-Magnesium-oil-revisited&highlight=magnesium
Posted by: Golfzilla, Tuesday, October 30, 2012, 3:55pm; Reply: 340
Quoted from Victoria
Looks like the original magnesium thread doesn't exist anymore.  Try this one.

http://forum.t-tapp.com/showthread.php?55532-Magnesium-oil-revisited&highlight=magnesium


Thanks V!
Posted by: Golfzilla, Thursday, November 1, 2012, 3:52pm; Reply: 341
Quoted from 1323
What about Peter Gillham's 'Natural Calm'?

3 tsp in a cup of warm water provides 615 mg of elemental magnesium citrate.

Would this be as good as the spray on oil?


Funky, I just picked up a container of powdered natural calm but do not see any reference to Peter Gillham. It is mag citrate though and seems to disolve quite easily. I just began taking it prior to bed so I'll let y'all know my thoughts and results as they surface.

My thoughts relative to your question of oil vs:? basically comes down to one's ability to absorb...
Cheers from Golfzilla!
Posted by: AnnaSKB, Friday, November 2, 2012, 5:07am; Reply: 342
I also started taking magnesium about 3 weeks ago, am fighting, and believe winning the battle, against MS.  Had speech, vision & balance issues, found the GenoType diet, started it and added magnesium and noticed an improvement in 20 minutes, but it would wear off after several hours.
Now, about 3 weeks later, I notice a lengthier gap between taking the magnesium and symptoms, my voice is improving, vision is way better, I believe I will have to go for an eye exam very soon, and I no longer feel like I will fall down all the time, and I feel less 'passing out tired' in the daytime, it had got that bad!
A thousand, no, million, thanks to Dr. D'Adamo who I believe saved my life.
This way of eating is definitely the way to go for health.  And such a simple change too.
Such a pity I wasn't taught all this when way younger, just glad I know now.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, November 2, 2012, 5:43am; Reply: 343
anna,
you are an inspiration to all!
thanks for sharing ! :K)
Posted by: Golfzilla, Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 4:20pm; Reply: 344
Great input here from many, I am now however unable to conclude if magnesium should or should not be taken with calcium..?

Also if calcium & magnesium should be taken with or without other synergistic vitamins or minerals or not..?

What are your experiences and results with pills/capsles, powder, liquid?

Help & Thx!
GZ~
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 7:39pm; Reply: 345
Quoted from Golfzilla
Great input here from many, I am now however unable to conclude if magnesium should or should not be taken with calcium..?

Also if calcium & magnesium should be taken with or without other synergistic vitamins or minerals or not..?

What are your experiences and results with pills/capsles, powder, liquid?


I haven't responded to your question about this yet, because I'm not sure.  I have heard both perspectives.  About equally as many say that calcium and mag. need to be taken together, as those who say that they interfere with each other and need to be taken separately.  Dr. D gives us the choice in his store, with Clear Cal being just calcium with trace minerals naturally occurring in the seaweed;  and Phytocal (for each blood type) which has both, along with other minerals.

I personally buy Dr. D's Clear Cal, which I think is the most awesome calcium I have ever taken.  I take a couple of capsules of that with breakfast and with lunch.  At lunch, I add a couple of capsules of Advanced Magnesium by Answers from Nature.  Then with dinner I take 2 capsules of Advanced Magnesium.  So calcium alone - then cal. and mag. together - then mag. alone.

Yes, I believe that supportive minerals need to be taken also.  You can check out Dr. D's Phytocal O (Sea-based mineral formula) for what he considers the necessary minerals for a type O.
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT008O

That formula is a very good one.  If you don't want to get it, you can use it as a guide for what to buy individually.

Another way to get balanced minerals to supplement the Calcium and Magnesium is something like Concentrace Mineral Drops from sea water.  I like to put a drop in every 8 oz of water that I drink.  
http://www.traceminerals.com/products/liquid-tablet-minerals/concentrace-ionic-minerals
Posted by: Golfzilla, Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 9:04pm; Reply: 346
Quoted from Victoria


I haven't responded to your question about this yet, because I'm not sure.  I have heard both perspectives.  About equally as many say that calcium and mag. need to be taken together, as those who say that they interfere with each other and need to be taken separately.  Dr. D gives us the choice in his store, with Clear Cal being just calcium with trace minerals naturally occurring in the seaweed;  and Phytocal (for each blood type) which has both, along with other minerals.

I personally buy Dr. D's Clear Cal, which I think is the most awesome calcium I have ever taken.  I take a couple of capsules of that with breakfast and with lunch.  At lunch, I add a couple of capsules of Advanced Magnesium by Answers from Nature.  Then with dinner I take 2 capsules of Advanced Magnesium.  So calcium alone - then cal. and mag. together - then mag. alone.

Yes, I believe that supportive minerals need to be taken also.  You can check out Dr. D's Phytocal O (Sea-based mineral formula) for what he considers the necessary minerals for a type O.
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT008O

That formula is a very good one.  If you don't want to get it, you can use it as a guide for what to buy individually.

Another way to get balanced minerals to supplement the Calcium and Magnesium is something like Concentrace Mineral Drops from sea water.  I like to put a drop in every 8 oz of water that I drink.  
http://www.traceminerals.com/products/liquid-tablet-minerals/concentrace-ionic-minerals


Victoria, thanks! I just began taking the Concentrace, glad to hear of your approval of it. I would say to my surprise the directions say 40 drops with water or juice..?

However I thought I might be closing in on something relative to me not sleeping & magnesium. I read several schools of thought saying to not take cal & mag together, consequently I'm back at the drawing board so to speak... I take the powdered mag at night bfore bed however I take a liquid calcium in the morning that also has mag in it :-/

When I read about taking the cal in the morning due to it contributing to more effective utilization of muscles during the day I thought "bingo" , sounds logical, then the next I read to take the cal & mag combo but at night :o Who is on first? Ha! To your knowledge has Dr D written anyting on this subject..?

Ok, I'll stop here however once again all this is much appreciated ;)
Cheers from GZ!
Posted by: Golfzilla, Thursday, November 8, 2012, 9:38pm; Reply: 347
Quoted from Victoria


I haven't responded to your question about this yet, because I'm not sure.  I have heard both perspectives.  About equally as many say that calcium and mag. need to be taken together, as those who say that they interfere with each other and need to be taken separately.  Dr. D gives us the choice in his store, with Clear Cal being just calcium with trace minerals naturally occurring in the seaweed;  and Phytocal (for each blood type) which has both, along with other minerals.

I personally buy Dr. D's Clear Cal, which I think is the most awesome calcium I have ever taken.  I take a couple of capsules of that with breakfast and with lunch.  At lunch, I add a couple of capsules of Advanced Magnesium by Answers from Nature.  Then with dinner I take 2 capsules of Advanced Magnesium.  So calcium alone - then cal. and mag. together - then mag. alone.

Yes, I believe that supportive minerals need to be taken also.  You can check out Dr. D's Phytocal O (Sea-based mineral formula) for what he considers the necessary minerals for a type O.
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT008O

That formula is a very good one.  If you don't want to get it, you can use it as a guide for what to buy individually.

Another way to get balanced minerals to supplement the Calcium and Magnesium is something like Concentrace Mineral Drops from sea water.  I like to put a drop in every 8 oz of water that I drink.  
http://www.traceminerals.com/products/liquid-tablet-minerals/concentrace-ionic-minerals


V, if one were to decide to take cal in the morning and Mag at night is it safe to assume there would still be cal in the body if it were needed for the two to interact if in fact that is required?

(think)
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, November 9, 2012, 12:33am; Reply: 348
Quoted from Golfzilla


V, if one were to decide to take cal in the morning and Mag at night is it safe to assume there would still be cal in the body if it were needed for the two to interact if in fact that is required?

(think)


My guess?  I'd say yes.  :)
Posted by: Drea, Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 1:43pm; Reply: 349
I ran out of the Now brand magnesium citrate powder I've been taking and now that I'm going to buy more, I thought I'd put it out to all of you to find out what you all use (not talking about mag oil, I have that, too). I already swallow a lot of other supps at the moment, so I'm only interested in a powdered supp for magnesium. There are at least two forms...citrate and glycate...which one is better? I already take a high-quality calcium so am looking for magnesium only.
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 6:14pm; Reply: 350
Well, I take capsules of a blend of Mag. Citrate and Mag. Glycinate.  Still looking for the best form.

Maybe this is some info you can use:
http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/types-of-magnesium/
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Heart-Rhythm/Magnesium-supplements----to-avoid---how-to-take-it-and--safety/show/1002415
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 12:48am; Reply: 351
Magnesium orotate, it is! Thanks Victoria!
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 2:01am; Reply: 352
I believe Isa has been telling us all along to use the orotate version.  I never gave it much thought until the past few months when magnesium is all the rage here on the Forum.  I'll see what I can find in the orotate form that is in capsules.

My daughter was using mag. citrate powder until she noticed that it heated the water!  
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 2:38am; Reply: 353
Quoted from Victoria


My daughter was using mag. citrate powder until she noticed that it heated the water!  
??)

Posted by: Golfzilla, Sunday, November 18, 2012, 11:35pm; Reply: 354
Quoted from Victoria
I believe Isa has been telling us all along to use the orotate version.  I never gave it much thought until the past few months when magnesium is all the rage here on the Forum.  I'll see what I can find in the orotate form that is in capsules.

My daughter was using mag. citrate powder until she noticed that it heated the water!  


V, I have been using the mag citrate and as a result of speaking to the manufacturer understand it is suppose to heat up. In fact they recommend mixing it in warm water to assist the process...
(think)
Posted by: Drea, Monday, November 19, 2012, 2:22am; Reply: 355
I've been using mag citrate and it doesn't heat the grapefruit juice. ??)
Posted by: cajun, Sunday, November 25, 2012, 12:48am; Reply: 356
What is oxygenated magnesium? My friend was told to try it along with lemon water for a cleanse. ??)
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, November 25, 2012, 1:01am; Reply: 357
Quoted from Golfzilla


V, I have been using the mag citrate and as a result of speaking to the manufacturer understand it is suppose to heat up. In fact they recommend mixing it in warm water to assist the process...
(think)


Did the manufacturer say why it does that?
Posted by: Golfzilla, Monday, November 26, 2012, 2:35am; Reply: 358
Quoted from Victoria


Did the manufacturer say why it does that?


V, I was told it is how their process creates the citrate form of magnesium. If I am able to get to it tomorrow I'll see if I am able to get something in writing to pass on.
Cheers!
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, November 26, 2012, 4:28am; Reply: 359
Thanks!  It's always good to understand more about what we are taking so we can make informed choices.  :)
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, November 26, 2012, 2:20pm; Reply: 360
http://www.pureformulas.com/magnesium-glycinate-q-100-mg-large-180-vcaps-by-premier-research-labs.html

I use this formula...Dina Khader recommended it to me.  Works well.
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, November 26, 2012, 8:27pm; Reply: 361
Chloe, that looks like a very good formula.  My health food store vitamin manager prefers that form of magnesium, but they only sell it in big dry pills.  It's also good that the site offers free shipping.  Thanks.
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