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Posted by: 348 (Guest), Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 3:09pm
Are there any tell-tale signs that I might be a non-secretor? I live in NY where it's illegal to mail saliva, so can't get tested. Wondering whether I might be able to determine through other factors, such as the state of constant inflammation of my inner ear, rage, anxiety, fatigue, allergies to fruits, or a host of other symptoms.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 3:33pm; Reply: 1
Quoted from diffy
Are there any tell-tale signs that I might be a non-secretor?

diffy (welcome, by the way!), please see this linked "sticky" thread on just that very topic:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=nonnie,m=1169238803

It's a little bit tongue-in-cheek, yet there is a lot of truth in the humor!

edited to add:  Attention any random mods that might be reading this:  would someone consider changing the title of the sticky thread I've linked (see link just above this, in this very post) in the nonnie clubhouse forum to "You may be a nonnie if..."?  I say this because "Nonnie Weekend Fun" really doesn't give a clue about what the thread is all about.  Thanks in advance for considering the title change.
:)

Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 3:58pm; Reply: 2
please, diffy just go for the Lewis bloodtest, then you can see it too :D ;)

(a-b+) = secretor
(a+b-) = nonnie
(a-b-) = a rare- one without any name, should eat like a nonnie
Posted by: 348 (Guest), Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 4:13pm; Reply: 3
Thanks for the link; I guess for now I will stick to the nonnie diet and see where it takes me. You think I can expect results within 2 days? Gosh, I always knew I'm sensitive to simple carbs and sugar/honey, I do stay away from them for the most part, it's tough, but lately I've been having just a bit of raw honey with my bland buckwheat, yikes, this sux! can't even have a drop of sweet?! And some bread to munch on, I need it! Gonna check out them recipes!
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 4:44pm; Reply: 4
I thought buckwheat was an avoid for Os, or is it just for nonnies?
I also function better on the nonnie diet.
Mrs "T"  O+
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 5:05pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from diffy
Thanks for the link; I guess for now I will stick to the nonnie diet and see where it takes me. You think I can expect results within 2 days? Gosh, I always knew I'm sensitive to simple carbs and sugar/honey, I do stay away from them for the most part, it's tough, but lately I've been having just a bit of raw honey with my bland buckwheat, yikes, this sux! can't even have a drop of sweet?! And some bread to munch on, I need it! Gonna check out them recipes!


Hi diffy,

How often are you having that buckwheat?  You do know, don't you that it is an avoid for Type O nonnies.  The ideal sugar for a nonnie is not honey; (which is another avoid for O nonnies btw) it's vegetable glycerine, or less so, agave syrup.

If you really are a nonnie, your best bet is to eliminate grains and virtually all standand sugars completely.

Here is what Dr. D has to say about vegetable glycerine.  (It's in reference to when he was redesigning the new protein bars, and was at first going to use it in the bars as a sweetener; he eventually went with using agave syrup.)

Quoted Text
Glycerine in a humectant. It is not a 'main ingredient' in the bar formula, since by far the main ingredient is the protein blend (egg/rice). Glycerine(ol) is a trihydric alcohol, (not a carbohydrate) and is the building block of all plant oils and nearly all animal fats. Without a humectant to hold moisture, any bar would be a rock-solid brick within hours of production. Glycerine is the only effective humectant that can be used by non-secretors, since it can be shunted to either fat metabolism or glucose production, depending on metabolic status. Glycerine can be a carb on occasion, a fat precursor on occasion, a phosphoglyceride precursor on occasion, and it can simply pass through the body unused. For non-secretors, this is perfect. Thus, although it is there for moisture retention, it also tends to optimize fat<->carb<->fat conversion which is genetically a problem with non-secretors.
The mentor that introduced me to the concept that lectins can exert metabolic effects in hampering weight loss was fond of having his patients drink glycerine as a way 'prime' the conversion of fat cell bound glycerol back to glycogen-glucose.


Your best bet diffy:  Invest in your health and purchase the test to find out difinitively if you are a nonnie or not.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 5:26pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from diffy
Thanks for the link; I guess for now I will stick to the nonnie diet and see where it takes me. You think I can expect results within 2 days? Gosh, I always knew I'm sensitive to simple carbs and sugar/honey, I do stay away from them for the most part, it's tough, but lately I've been having just a bit of raw honey with my bland buckwheat, yikes, this sux! can't even have a drop of sweet?! And some bread to munch on, I need it! Gonna check out them recipes!

diffy, I've recently discovered a wonderful and versatile, natural, unprocessed sweetener that is also, drumbeat please.....NEUTRAL for O nonnies!  It is agave nectar.  This is the brand I buy:

http://www.sweetcactusfarms.com/ (I buy the dark variety)

As for bread, I have also only recently discovered Sami's Millet and Flax bread.  This is actually "normal" bread, i.e., not exactly the best, most wonderful artisan bread, but it is shelf stable and can be used for...drum roll again:  Sandwiches!  Oh joy!  Oh rapture!  Oh yeah, babe!  O nonnie revolution!

http://www.samisbakery.com/

Stick with us here in the nonnie treehouse or clubhouse or whatever this is (I feel like I'm up a tree, so it must be a treehouse---weeeeeeeeeeee!) and we'll give you all the tips and the tricks of the trade for surviving life in the 15% weirdo club.
:D ;D :K)
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 5:34pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from Edna

Stick with us here in the nonnie treehouse or clubhouse or whatever this is (I feel like I'm up a tree, so it must be a treehouse---weeeeeeeeeeee!) and we'll give you all the tips and the tricks of the trade for surviving life in the 15% weirdo club.
:D ;D :K)


Gracious, P Twist,
As an AB (-) I've been in a 1% club all my life and now, if I'm Nonnie, the percentage drops to less than 1/4%...  If 15% is weirdo  :o, what does that make me? ??)  
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 5:57pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from ABJoe


Gracious, P Twist,
As an AB (-) I've been in a 1% club all my life and now, if I'm Nonnie, the percentage drops to less than 1/4%...  If 15% is weirdo  :o, what does that make me? ??)  

:o ;D  I meant "weirdo" in the best sense of the word!   :D  As in, rarified gem!  A shining and inspiring bit of variety in a sea of sameness!  Viva la diferance!

Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 6:00pm; Reply: 9
;D ;D ;D ....ok..ok I (shhh)(shhh)(shhh)(dance)(clap)(smarty)(whistle)(sunny)(sunny)
;D :D ;D :K) :X :X don't say anything :B ..........

Rh - = noonie Rh - ??)..weew a super requested blood donor or for transplantations thingies, ...could sell you in pieces for veeerryy expensive bills ;) ;D :D
Posted by: 348 (Guest), Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 6:03pm; Reply: 10
Thanks all for your hearty welcome and laughs....ok, just checked the list for nonnies and I see buckwheat is a no-no, didn't know this before....So sat down and took notes of all avoids. gosh, dodesn't leave much for the taking....
Please send as many tips my way as you can, I just began this 'food plan' yesterday, my dd with lots of probs, also type o+, is hell bent on following this diet to the 't' but she MUST have bread, she claims! And it's gotta be kosher.  I'm about to break the news to her that bye-bye to her favorite sheep's cheese. I've bid farewell to it this morning, I think it's one of the culprits...
Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 6:15pm; Reply: 11
Which book contains the non secretor versus secretor B-blood type diet ?
The one that I have only lists the highly beneficials , neutrals and avoids and I also use typebase when I'm online.

A question about agave nectar ...  is it like honey in the sence that we must get the "raw" one  ??)

Thanks very much  ;D ;)
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 6:22pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from LISALEA
Which book contains the non secretor versus secretor B-blood type diet ?
The one that I have only lists the highly beneficials , neutrals and avoids and I also use typebase when I'm online.

A question about agave ...  is it like honey in the sence that we must get a "raw" agave  ??)

Thanks very much  ;D ;)


Live Right 4 Your Type contains the non-secretor values by each blood group.  The BTD Encyclopedia also has secretor/non-secretor values, but the listings is exactly like Typebase.  Typebase is the most up to date.

I've never seen a "cooked" agave syrup sold.  
Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 6:27pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from KimonoKat


Live Right 4 Your Type contains the non-secretor values by each blood group.  The BTD Encyclopedia also has secretor/non-secretor values, but the listings is exactly like Typebase.  Typebase is the most up to date.

I've never seen a "cooked" agave syrup sold.  


I've also never seen one; except,  I did notice that one bottle said raw and the other didn't specify ... that's why I wasn't sure which one to purchase ??)

Oh ok great, I will continue to use Typebase since I don't yet have the The BTD Encyclopedia  ;)

Thanks very much KimonoKat ;D
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 6:31pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from diffy
gosh, doesn't leave much for the taking....


I remember thinking the same thing... Most of the difference is changing the way we mix foods in our meal plans to utilize the foods that are Beneficial foods and to a lesser extent, the Neutrals...

There are a variety of foods available to all the Blood groups, it just may be quite different than we have been eating.  IMHO, The rewards are worth the inconvenience! ;D

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 6:31pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from LISALEA
A question about agave nectar ...  is it like honey in the sence that we must get the "raw" one  ??)  Thanks very much  ;D ;)

It is somewhat like honey, only a tad thinner and more "flowery" tasting, although some honeys are flowery.  Hard to explain the taste exactly but it is very good indeed, and it is great to have ONE sweetener that nons can have!  I am NOT a fan of vegetable glycerine at all, although many on this site are.  Taste-wise, it does NOT seem like a food product/anything I should be ingesting.  However, health-wise, it apparently is a good choice for avoiding blood sugar spikes/crashes and just keeping things steady as she goes.  Still, I prefer to be able to stand the taste of what I consume, so I'm grateful for agave nectar as it tastes sweet, light and wonderful, yay!  It is also a very natural, unprocessed product.  I think it does only come "raw" but you wouldn't need it "cooked".  You may use it in cooking/baking, however.  Very versatile stuff.  

Since you are so new, I will also point out two other basic fun facts:

1.  100% fruit syrups such as Tree of Life brand (they have concord grape, black cherry, etc.) are great to put in sparkling water to make your own homemade "soda" with.  You can also use pure elderberry concentrate and then you have a great soda with flu-fighting properties thrown in--yeah, baby!

2.  Another bread that is good is French Meadows 100% rye with flax*, but this must be kept frozen until ready to use, and then it must be toasted.  It also contains gluten (but it is neutral on the BTD).  For all those reasons, I now prefer the aforementioned Sami's millet and flax:  no gluten, don't need to keep it frozen or toast it.  However, the rye is DELICIOUS when toasted, if you want a really good bread.  To me, it is a better bread than the Sami's millet and flax, yet I prefer the latter because it is better for sandwiches, which is what I really previously was missing the convenience of as a non.  Sandwiches RULE!

WELCOME, again!  We are glad you are here!

* edited to add:  if you see their (French Meadows) "rice bread" variety next to that, do NOT get it, as it infuriatingly contains whole wheat...stick to the 100% rye with flax, which is wheat-free...
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 6:38pm; Reply: 16
LR4YT and the Encyclopedia, plus all the Health Series books.
Posted by: 348 (Guest), Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 6:51pm; Reply: 17
Gosh, I'm overwhelmed by all this info!
Is there a list of all allowed foods? This way I could just scroll on down it and choose.....instead of 'lemme see if I can have this' 'lemme see if i can have that'....y'know, a list of all allowed foods for type o+ non-secretor.
BTW, if I don't know whether or not I'm secretor or non-secretor, is it best to remain on the non-secretor diet?
Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 6:53pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from Edna

It is somewhat like honey, only a tad thinner and more "flowery" tasting, although some honeys are flowery.  Hard to explain the taste exactly but it is very good indeed, and it is great to have ONE sweetener that nons can have!  I am NOT a fan of vegetable glycerine at all, although many on this site are.  Taste-wise, it does NOT seem like a food product/anything I should be ingesting.  However, health-wise, it apparently is a good choice for avoiding blood sugar spikes/crashes and just keeping things steady as she goes.  Still, I prefer to be able to stand the taste of what I consume, so I'm grateful for agave nectar as it tastes sweet, light and wonderful, yay!  It is also a very natural, unprocessed product.  I think it does only come "raw" but you wouldn't need it "cooked".  You may use it in cooking/baking, however.  Very versatile stuff.  

Since you are so new, I will also point out two other basic fun facts:

1.  100% fruit syrups such as Tree of Life brand (they have concord grape, black cherry, etc.) are great to put in sparkling water to make your own homemade "soda" with.  You can also use pure elderberry concentrate and then you have a great soda with flu-fighting properties thrown in--yeah, baby!

2.  Another bread that is good is French Meadows 100% rye with flax*, but this must be kept frozen until ready to use, and then it must be toasted.  It also contains gluten (but it is neutral on the BTD).  For all those reasons, I now prefer the aforementioned Sami's millet and flax:  no gluten, don't need to keep it frozen or toast it.  However, the rye is DELICIOUS when toasted, if you want a really good bread.  To me, it is a better bread than the Sami's millet and flax, yet I prefer the latter because it is better for sandwiches, which is what I really previously was missing the convenience of as a non.  Sandwiches RULE!

WELCOME, again!  We are glad you are here!


* edited to add:  if you see their (French Meadows) "rice bread" variety next to that, do NOT get it, as it infuriatingly contains whole wheat...stick to the 100% rye with flax, which is wheat-free...


Hi Peppermint Twist !! ;D :P ;) :)

That's such a wonderful and warm welcome I'll take it anyday  !! ;D
except I'm NOT that new here  :B ;)
I've already read so many of ur posts actually ... always interesting I might add !!

I'm still learning  and  will continue to do so for probably a longtime 'cause knowledge is POWER, especially when it comes to BTD.
I've been quite compliant I might add although sometimes my portions r a little too big and I still eat too many grains ... sigh ...
but they r  NOT avoids anymore !!

I absolutely love honey, especially the wild flower one actually; however, I will give agave nectar a try since I've been wanting to buy it for a while now ... I've already tried so many new foods thanks to BTD ... I'm so very excited and have become quite creative in my cooking and will eventually post more recipes ... I love manna bread btw; with a tablespoon of honey or a couple tablespoons of almond butter ... Yum yum :P


Thanks for the valueable info, I appreciate it immensely ;D
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 7:43pm; Reply: 19
congrats dear Lisalea (dance)(clap)(dance)(clap)(sunny)
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 7:44pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from diffy
Gosh, I'm overwhelmed by all this info!
Is there a list of all allowed foods? This way I could just scroll on down it and choose.....instead of 'lemme see if I can have this' 'lemme see if i can have that'....y'know, a list of all allowed foods for type o+ non-secretor.
BTW, if I don't know whether or not I'm secretor or non-secretor, is it best to remain on the non-secretor diet?


That depends.  There are nonnie foods that are not allowed on the secretor diet.  So, if you eat them, and are a secretor, then you are in effect, eating avoids for your type.

Understand, my position is, when you are dealing with multiple health challenges like you are, your #1 best option is to get secretor status tested.  You are no longer "guessing" on your secretor status, you now know what it is.

Would there be a way, like mikeo and others suggested, to get a p.o. box in another state, and mail your test from there?

If this is totally not an option for you at this time, then my suggestion would be this.  Follow the secretor diet outlined in one of the health series books, but also keeping in mind the gluten sensitivities you have (which is why I recommend eliminating grains completely~jmho) and your need for some anti-inflammatiories (bromelain, boswellia, quecertin, glucosamine).

So, with that in mind, I'd recommend picking up Dr. D's health series book on Allergies.  Follow the supplement recommendations for getting your inflammation down, and follow the more stringent food values outlined in the Health Series books.  And, in the future, plan on finding a way to get secretor status tested.


Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 8:49pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
congrats dear Lisalea (dance)(clap)(dance)(clap)(sunny)





Thank-u ... grazie ... gracias ... merci beaucoup Tomatilla !!;D ;) :) :K)
Posted by: 348 (Guest), Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 9:38pm; Reply: 22
How does a p.o. box help? It takes a human being to physically get it from the p.o. box, no? Wishing there was a way I could do the test, you're absolutely right about there being some neutral/beneficial nonnie foods that are avoids for secretors....
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 9:48pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from diffy
How does a p.o. box help? It takes a human being to physically get it from the p.o. box, no? Wishing there was a way I could do the test, you're absolutely right about there being some neutral/beneficial nonnie foods that are avoids for secretors....


When you purchase the test, it will be mailed to the P.O. box, giving you an address outside of N.Y.  When you mail it back in, yes, you would have to travel to a point outside of the state of NY to mail it.  Like I said, if this is problematic, then consider getting your physician to write a scrip for you to get the Lewis subtyping blood test.  Lewis is another subtyping system that in 90% of cases, you can determine secretor status from the lewis status.  This is detailed in Live Right 4 Your Type.  
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 10:00pm; Reply: 24
nonnie recipe thread
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=nonnie,m=1138382003
club house
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=nonnie
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 12:42am; Reply: 25
I've heard that some people (who are secretors) eat the nonnie diet with the exception of the items that are avoid for secretors....
Posted by: Alia Vo, Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 2:04am; Reply: 26
Quoted from diffy
Gosh, I'm overwhelmed by all this info!
Is there a list of all allowed foods?


Typebase4 is the most current, up-to-date food list.  

Albeit, the information is not on one full page in any type of graph or chart format; it does allow one to verfify information and food values from food category to food category or from food item to food item for each individual blood group.

Alia
Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 2:10am; Reply: 27
Shouldn't be hard to have it mailed to an out-of-state relative or friend, then arrange to go visit them, ship it from there, and have your relative/friend forward you the written results.  It's worth knowing.

Agave makes an amazing substitution for honey.  Bakes nicely and can be dumped into COLD liquid (herbal tea or something) and it dissolves.  I've been using it in my homemade icecream that I whip up in my brand-new Vita-Mix (bless my husband's heart---what a great anniversary present).  Of course I don't use milk, I just use fruit (or cocoa powder if I'm making chocolate), agave nectar, a little vanilla, and a bunch of ice cubes.  Amazing.  Amazing.  And did I say.....AMAZING.  It's like sherbet.  Or Italian ice.
Posted by: 348 (Guest), Monday, April 30, 2007, 1:28pm; Reply: 28
So Ribbit, wanna be my out-of-town relative?
Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, May 3, 2007, 10:17pm; Reply: 29
I'm in Atlanta.  It might be a little inconvenient to come pick it up.  But I'm willing to help if I can.
Posted by: 348 (Guest), Friday, May 4, 2007, 10:08pm; Reply: 30
OK, found a place that does ship to NY....ordered it...did the test...shipped it back....results will be end of May....yippee hurrayyyyyyy!!!!!
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, May 5, 2007, 1:27am; Reply: 31
tell us about this place!
Posted by: OSuzanna, Saturday, May 5, 2007, 3:07am; Reply: 32
yay!
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Saturday, May 5, 2007, 6:44am; Reply: 33
well done....(dance)(clap)(dance)(smarty)(sunny).....diffy !!! ;D
Posted by: Ribbit, Saturday, May 5, 2007, 2:02pm; Reply: 34
Oh, whew!  Now I don't have to be the relative of a stranger!  ;)
Posted by: Becky, Wednesday, June 20, 2007, 3:56pm; Reply: 35
It took me a month to get my test back.  Have any friends in Jersey that you could borrow?  
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