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Posted by: sierradawn, Monday, April 16, 2007, 4:32am
I started a thread on the BTD on a Diabetes Forum board and the following question was asked:

"Can you cite a reference to a paper in a refereed journal which shows that (as just one example) beef clumps one type of erythrocytes but not another? It has always been my understanding that if your erythrocytes agglutinate you are probably dead, one way or another.

Where was the work done?"


Can anyone help me effectively answer this question? There is a lot of skepticism about the BTD.

THanks!

Posted by: KimonoKat, Monday, April 16, 2007, 5:22am; Reply: 1
Quoted from sierradawn
I started a thread on the BTD on a Diabetes Forum board and the following question was asked:

"Can you cite a reference to a paper in a refereed journal which shows that (as just one example) beef clumps one type of erythrocytes but not another? It has always been my understanding that if your erythrocytes agglutinate you are probably dead, one way or another.

Where was the work done?"


Can anyone help me effectively answer this question? There is a lot of skepticism about the BTD.

THanks!



Beef doesn't have a lectin.  BUT what you can tell them is that back in the earily 1901 or there abouts, (no wait, it was Stilmark who discovered the agglutin substance in the castor bean  in 1888 ) scientists discovered that there were substances in plants that would agglutinate the blood type of one species and not another.  So tell these idiots that plant agglutins have been known for over 100 years.

In 1945, the great scientist William Boyd discovered that these plant proteins were  blood type specific.  He named these substances "lectins" which means, "I choose."

Boyd's Report of Lectin Specificity

Tell them that the lectin in chicken will agglutinate B blood and that you can actually see it happen with the unaided eye.  (No microscope.)
Posted by: KimonoKat, Monday, April 16, 2007, 5:24am; Reply: 2
Understand, that you will be tilting at a windmill discussing the BTD on any internet forums.  They will dig up all kinds of negative press on the BTD.  All kinds of negative reviews by people who don't know squat about blood type, or human polymorphisms.  So, good luck!
Posted by: Dr. D, Monday, April 16, 2007, 9:45am; Reply: 3
The fact that this person thinks beef agglutinates blood pretty much tells you that their perceptual horizon line is pretty low. I concur with kk. Point them to a few links on the Individualist and move on.

http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Welcome
Posted by: sierradawn, Monday, April 16, 2007, 3:46pm; Reply: 4
Thank you all for your help! That was perfect. I like a good debate, anyway, haha.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Monday, April 16, 2007, 6:45pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from KimonoKat
...So tell these idiots that plant agglutins have been known for over 100 years.

Quoted from KimonoKat
Understand, that you will be tilting at a windmill discussing the BTD on any internet forums.  They will dig up all kinds of negative press on the BTD.  All kinds of negative reviews by people who don't know squat about blood type, or human polymorphisms.

:D
*tee hee*, you seem to be in a very empassioned, fired up, and thus endearing mood today!  You go, girl!
Quoted from sierradawn
Thank you all for your help! That was perfect. I like a good debate, anyway, haha.

Seriously, though, sierradawn, kk is so correct:  be careful about getting into a debate on internet forums re the BTD because some of the anti-BTD contingent are not interested in a "good debate" as you put it (I love a good debate, too--a nice, good, substantive, civil/respectful one), but are instead only interested in...how to put this?  Did you ever see David Letterman go on one of his sprees where he crushes stuff with a steamroller?  Well, if you were a Twinkie and the anti-BTD contingent were the steamroller, that is about as fair, substantive, civil, and intelligent of a debate as you are going to get out of 'em, so just know that going in.  I have found that it ain't worth the aggro.  Like you said, I love a good debate, but it has to be with people who are respectful/civil, and who are also interested in really discussing the issue, not in simply attacking.  So unless you are up for the steamroller treatment, I'm with kk in suggesting, basically, don't cast your pearls before swine.
Posted by: sierradawn, Monday, April 16, 2007, 10:04pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from Edna



Seriously, though, sierradawn, kk is so correct:  be careful about getting into a debate on internet forums re the BTD because some of the anti-BTD contingent are not interested in a "good debate" as you put it (I love a good debate, too--a nice, good, substantive, civil/respectful one), but are instead only interested in...how to put this?  Did you ever see David Letterman go on one of his sprees where he crushes stuff with a steamroller?  Well, if you were a Twinkie and the anti-BTD contingent were the steamroller, that is about as fair, substantive, civil, and intelligent of a debate as you are going to get out of 'em, so just know that going in.  I have found that it ain't worth the aggro.  Like you said, I love a good debate, but it has to be with people who are respectful/civil, and who are also interested in really discussing the issue, not in simply attacking.  So unless you are up for the steamroller treatment, I'm with kk in suggesting, basically, don't cast your pearls before swine.


Yeah, I've made my point and am leaving it alone. It's really just two people that are the "steamrollers" with lots of personal attacks. Doesn't bother me a bit. They're definitely not respectful so I'm done with that one.  A fellow forum boarder even told me in a private message to ignore those people. The only reason I've even bothered posting on that forum is because a lot of diabetics moan and groan about their weight and diet and thought that even if only ONE person benefited from knowing about the BTD, I've accomplished something. Even if that meant dealing with the persecution. I consider it a privilege to be persecuted, as that tells me I'm on the right path.. The good thing for me was to learn how to deal with people like that and to become a better debater.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 1:46am; Reply: 7
Sierra,

I could tell you stories  ::)  ;D and stories and stories of trying to educate individuals on the BTD.  I posted for a time on the CourtTV medical forum (since closed).  So many people there who would pull up site after site after site of critics slamming the BTD.....and even just slamming Dr. D for having products on his website!  I mean, the logic just went out the window.  They even criticized Dr. D as a scammer, because he says on his site that he's licensed in several states.  One slammer went to far to see if his license in one state was active.  It wasn't.  So therefore, he is misleading his public, he "bought" his ND degree on the net, blah, blah, blah.  The ad hominen attacks on Dr. D were terrible.  It's one of the reasons I'm very careful now, on which internet battles I'll spend my energy on.  

What I do really appreciate now is, the wiki.  The scientific information to support the theory is out there in a very user friendly format.  You don't have to dig for it, or go through a series of links.  And it's all referenced.  I think it is one of the most brilliant ideas Dr. D had, on making his own wiki.  And, it's great that I can just point people to the wiki links for proof that there really is something in plants and other fods called a lectin, and it really was discovered over 100 years ago, and it really was discovered to be blood type specific in 1945.  

So, everybody, get familiar with the wiki.  Struggle through the scientific data.  Use it to your advantage when educating others on the BTD.

Posted by: sierradawn, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 2:54am; Reply: 8
That's pretty much what happened on the diabetic forum. The said Dr. D was not even a real doctor because there was no scientific proof behind naturopathy (WHAT?!?!) and that because all my resources were from Dr. D's site, it was not credible. Yes, they slammed the fact that he sold "overpriced" products. I mean, What. Ever. I even pointed out the wiki on Dr. D among other links, but it's obvious some people aren't interested in the truth or proof. I pretty much am going to keep the BTD to myself unless people have a genuine interest in knowing how I care for my health and are respectful.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 3:10am; Reply: 9
I hear ya sierra; I do.  I would continually point out that they had made an ad hominen attack (linking to the wiki definition of the word) and they hadn't provided any scientific evidence to refute his theories.... they would just come back with another ad hominen attack lol.
Posted by: Joyce, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 8:01am; Reply: 10
Sierradawn,

I too learned the hard way and now take more notice of KK  ;)

It's not worth the aggro, but at least it did make me learn more for my own benefit.

Now, if I meet someone in the flesh, as I did yesterday - a man with MS - I write the link to here and Dr D's ER4YT on a piece of paper and hand it over.
If it is on a forum I now try to state what helps me and again simply give the link.

I've got myself into too many private and forum conversations which lead nowhere if the sick person wants to be sick.

This includes my DH too.  He won't go near a doctor, not that I blame him for that, but his BP was very high. [178/103]
He refuses to eat 'my' food [he's an A too] and he smokes.  
However I noticed that he did increase his fruit and veg intake and yesterday he told me his latest [self] BP reading which is considerably lower [138/85] so at least he's heading in a better direction.

Joyce
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 1:24pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from sierradawn
The good thing for me was to learn how to deal with people like that and to become a better debater.

Good for you, and I certainly also find it important and sometimes even enjoy debating/arguing/discussing topics that I'm passionate about, especially if the "other side" is civil and respectful.  I don't even require "open-minded", just civil and respectful so that a substantive, respectful dialog can take place.  But one thing I've learned on the net is that if, partway into a discussion, I realize that the other party(ies) is just out to attack, it is pointless for me to:

1.  Respond; and/or
2.  Get my feelings hurt

So my point was not exactly not to engage in debate--I'm all about debating, wu HUUU *lol*!--but just to be aware that often on the net, there are those just h*ll-bent on attacking and being "right" and, if you come across that sort, opting out altogether is what I've personally found to be the healthiest choice for me.  A person from back on the old board here, who was a mod, once suggested something to me and I really have found that I've taken this to heart and I apply it so often on the net and also "IRL" sometimes:  "Sometimes the best response is no response."  Because the thing is, if someone really attacks you, just letting that attack speak for itself and choosing to be a class act and not get down into the mud with the person shows what kind of person they are and what kind of person you are, ya know?

I've kind of learned a lot from being on the net, that applies not just to the net!  For me, sometimes the best response indeed is no response, if the other person is just being a plain old weenieb*tt.  Weenieb*ttness really speaks for itself and doesn't need a rebuttal.  I apply this at work and in other relationships, too.  I used to think I always had to argue my point or get the last word until everyone in the known universe understood me completely.  But now I realize, I can't control everyone in the known universe, I can only control myself.  So, I say what I want to say and behave the best way I can behave, and if others choose to get into weenieb*tt mode, that is their prob, ya know?

Sounds like you already get all that, so there was no need for kk and me to worry about you getting shocked and awed by the i-steamrollers of this world.  Good for you!  Took me way longer to figure it out, myself!
;D

Posted by: sierradawn, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 6:12pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from Edna


So my point was not exactly not to engage in debate--I'm all about debating, wu HUUU *lol*!--but just to be aware that often on the net, there are those just h*ll-bent on attacking and being "right" and, if you come across that sort, opting out altogether is what I've personally found to be the healthiest choice for me.  A person from back on the old board here, who was a mod, once suggested something to me and I really have found that I've taken this to heart and I apply it so often on the net and also "IRL" sometimes:  "Sometimes the best response is no response."  Because the thing is, if someone really attacks you, just letting that attack speak for itself and choosing to be a class act and not get down into the mud with the person shows what kind of person they are and what kind of person you are, ya know?

I've kind of learned a lot from being on the net, that applies not just to the net!  For me, sometimes the best response indeed is no response, if the other person is just being a plain old weenieb*tt.  Weenieb*ttness really speaks for itself and doesn't need a rebuttal.


You described the guy I was dealing with to a 'T'! In fact, his signature says, "I'd rather be right than liked. How am I doing?". That just says it all!!!! He was definitely h*llbent on crushing each and every thing I had to say. Absolutely no civility or respect. I told him that because of his attitude and verbal attacks I was no longer responding to anything he had to say. Of course he took the things I said out of context and accused me of copping out of "proving" the BTD is scientifically correct. I have been good at restraining myself from responding. You're right, the best response is no response.

Your weenieb*tt word made me crack up!! Love it!


Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 5:00pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from sierradawn
Of course he took the things I said out of context...


Aaaah, the taking-what-you-say-out-of-context tack.  As Seinfeld would say, "Is that the beauty?"1 *LOL*  I have been on the receiving end of that one at the hands of some absolutely rabid anti-BTDers.  Again, I finally figured out to just give up and wave the white flag on having any sort of respectful, intelligent debate.  Whew doggies/boy howdy.  You know, now that I have a think on it, it is just like when a huge ocean wave breaks on you and slams you down to the bottom, holding you there.  The first few times this happens, you panic and fight against the wave with all your might, only to end up with a lot of sand in your mouth and other areas that shall be nameless, and still there you are at the bottom, wave holding you down.  Pretty soon, with a little experience swimming in the ocean surf, you realize, ya know, if I were to just totally RELAX and focus my energy and attention on holding my breath, I will eventually float or be tossed (one of the two) to the surface.  And sure enough, works every time.
Quoted from sierradawn
Your weenieb*tt word made me crack up!! Love it!

Well, then we are even, because I did a little floor rolling over your "I mean, What.  Ever."



1 "The Car Horn Honk. Is that the beauty? Have you seen men doing this?" - Jerry Seinfeld -

Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 8:29pm; Reply: 14
I'll leave the science up to the scientists.  All I know is that following the BTD:

1.  I'm not fat.
2.  I feel good, in general.
3.  I'm no longer worried about dying of colon cancer by the age of 40 because my bowels work now.
4.  My body doesn't hurt anymore.
5.  My skin looks better than it has since I was 10.

and the list goes on.  I tell this to critics.  They don't have to eat this way.  Nobody said they did.  All I know is that I'm not fat and they are, and I feel good and they don't, and I never ever complain about my knees or wrists or head hurting, because they don't hurt anymore.  Is it scientific?  I believe so.....but at the same time, I, for one, don't particularly care.  All I know is that when I eat this way, I feel good.  And that's what matters to me.
Posted by: OSuzanna, Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 8:51pm; Reply: 15
Oh, Ribb-y, you put that so-o-o nicely! :K)
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 10:17pm; Reply: 16
Quoted Text


way to go!
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, April 19, 2007, 7:13pm; Reply: 17
And many of us are noticing that the years seem to be melting away and we're looking younger.
Posted by: Laura P, Thursday, April 19, 2007, 8:17pm; Reply: 18
Quote of the day

"All I know is that I"m not fat and they are"
                                        -Ribbet
Posted by: OSuzanna, Thursday, April 19, 2007, 9:18pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from Victoria
And many of us are noticing that the years seem to be melting away and we're looking younger.


Yes!
Posted by: Ribbit, Saturday, April 21, 2007, 1:20am; Reply: 20
I am told I look better now than I ever did.  I'm only 29.  But I actually have color in my skin now.  My O mother's been loosely following the BTD for a year or so and looks amazing.  For the first time in her life, she's had the energy to exercize.  She looks 40, not 60.
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 7:44am; Reply: 21
Sierra,

The problem with beef, as Dr. D explains it, is that only Type O's really and genetically produce enough strong stomach acid to really break it down.  All the other blood types -- particularly type A's -- don't really have strong enough stomach acid to accomplish this, so it just sits in their bowels and putrefies.

In my own experience as a Type O, I found that following Dr. D's recommendation to include beef in my diet stopped my 21 years of chronic diarrhea, cold.  Also, cutting out all wheat, soy, and dairy put me in tip-top shape like never before.
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 9:19am; Reply: 22
Ribbit,

Congratulations!  

You are to be commended for venturing into the great unknown as you have.  You took a risk, and benefited enormously.
Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, April 26, 2007, 11:23am; Reply: 23
Thanks, Ronagon!  What a difficult thing it is for me as an A to take a risk!  
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