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Posted by: 109 (Guest), Wednesday, April 4, 2007, 8:32pm
Hello, I'm working on following the non-secretor diet, but it seems that NO startchy carbs are recommended.  My better judgement is telling me that the body needs some carbs for energy and a balanced diet.  Rice, sweet potatoes, and Ezekial breads are allowed, but it says 0-3 times a week.  Which tells me that 0 would be best.  First of all, I'm no where near being overweight, so putting on pounds is not an issue for me.  Is there any other reason why one should eat so little carbs?  I can't eat fruit right now because of candida.  So, just meat, veggies, and a handful of nuts is getting old.

Also, I tend to eat over the recommended amount of eggs per week.  Does anyone know why eggs can only be eaten in moderation?  Are they hard to digest or...

Regards,
marion

Posted by: KimonoKat, Wednesday, April 4, 2007, 8:54pm; Reply: 1
Quoted from Marion78
Hello, I'm working on following the non-secretor diet, but it seems that NO startchy carbs are recommended.  My better judgement is telling me that the body needs some carbs for energy and a balanced diet.  Rice, sweet potatoes, and Ezekial breads are allowed, but it says 0-3 times a week.  Which tells me that 0 would be best.  First of all, I'm no where near being overweight, so putting on pounds is not an issue for me.  Is there any other reason why one should eat so little carbs?  I can't eat fruit right now because of candida.  So, just meat, veggies, and a handful of nuts is getting old.

Also, I tend to eat over the recommended amount of eggs per week.  Does anyone know why eggs can only be eaten in moderation?  Are they hard to digest or...

Regards,
marion



Sweet potatoes are in the vegetable cateogry, not grain category.  You actually get to have as many beneficial vegetables as you want.  So, eat sweet potatoes as much s you want, if you are looking for carbs.  Same for onions, parsnips, turnips.  Those are root veggies that will give you the carbs, but not the problems that come along with eating grains.

ETA: We also add parsley root to our beef & lamb vegetable stews.

ETA:  You can have carrots and radishes jicama.  Starchy carbs, just not bennies.
Posted by: 109 (Guest), Wednesday, April 4, 2007, 9:48pm; Reply: 2
Sweet potatoes are neutral for O non-secretors.  Rice is also neutral.

Regards,
Marion
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, April 4, 2007, 11:23pm; Reply: 3
choose starchy veggies over grains, particularly if candida is an issue.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Wednesday, April 4, 2007, 11:48pm; Reply: 4
Quoted from Marion78
Sweet potatoes are neutral for O non-secretors.  Rice is also neutral.

Regards,
Marion


Again, sweet potatoes are a veggie, not a grain.  Nonnies get 0-3 servings per week of grains.  They get 2-3 servings per day of neutral vegies; unlimited amounts of bennie veggies per day.



Posted by: Whimsical, Thursday, April 5, 2007, 3:29am; Reply: 5
There are many differing opinions on how to fight candida.  My personal experience has been that fruit is not a problem, as long as you don't eat it alone.  Ideally, eat fruit on an empty stomach and make sure you follow up with some good protein (egg, beef, chicken, whatever) soon after.  The protein will help prevent the blood sugar spike.  Also, keep your fruit portions small at first and spread throughout the day.  

The O diet is certainly not devoid of carbs - there are tons of carbs in fruits and veggies, even non-starchy ones.  Carrots, onions, bananas, red peppers, blueberries, mango are all beneficial sources of carbs.  In terms of grains, manna bread is perhaps your best best, or a higher protein grain like quinoa.  
Posted by: Alia Vo, Thursday, April 5, 2007, 3:35am; Reply: 6
If you are not facing a health challenge and weight loss is not a health objective, I no not foresee any problems with consuming grains in the recommened portion/frequency guidelines--perhaps you may wish to inititially stay within the lower to mid range.

Favor carbs/starchy based food items from other food groups--especially vegetables.

Alia
Posted by: KimonoKat, Thursday, April 5, 2007, 5:51am; Reply: 7
Quoted from Alia_Vo
If you are not facing a health challenge
Alia


Marion78 is trying to address his candida.
Posted by: 109 (Guest), Thursday, April 5, 2007, 7:47am; Reply: 8
Okay, I'm a bit confused after reading Live Right 4 Your Type.  The food charts list the amount of servings one should have per week.  It says neutral veggies are 2 to 3 servings per week rather than day.  Fruit says 1 to 3 servings per week rather than day.  Oils is 3 to 5 per week.  Nuts and seeds is 5 to 7 per week.

I do have a question.  Is eating over the limit in eggs and nuts an issue for those who aren't worried about gaining weight?  In other words, is there any harm in eating several handfuls of nuts a day or eating eggs everyday for Type O non-secretors?

Regards,
Marion
Posted by: shells, Thursday, April 5, 2007, 11:14am; Reply: 9
Ooops - sorry about that slip.

Hi Marian78  -  My favourite filling bennie is pumpkin.  Can't get enough of it.  Baked with extra virgin olive oil ......mmmmmm.  Don't forget pumpkin soup.... yum!  There are many different varieties available and they are all good mashed as well.  The more I eat them the more I can't get enough.  

Early in the BTD I craved grains but the more compliant I was my preferences changed.

I eat eggs every day - I feel I need the protein and you can vary them with cooking and adding different food items.  My mother was brought up with eating eggs every day of her life and is still going strong at 85 - her health is excellent for her age.  Also saw a programme on TV saying that the natural lecithin in the white not only counter attacks the cholesterol in the yolk but can actually lower your cholestoral overall.  

Maybe the egg eating is an individual thing for me but it feels right and I don't get any upsets.

Cheers   :D
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Thursday, April 5, 2007, 1:42pm; Reply: 10
ha... just got a new O-nonnie today, with all goodies and fienies O-nonnies might have :-) thanks roostersis for letting me know how you are eating ;) ;D :D :K) similar to the nonnie above my head ;) ;D...hey youzz...shells.....;D :D ....
Posted by: shells, Thursday, April 5, 2007, 2:00pm; Reply: 11
Hi Tomatilla I  -  good to see your happy friendly post  :D

Another favourite meal is avocado & roasted little pumpkin squares all put through a leafy green salad with a dressing of aioli (crushed garlic, egg yolks, lemon juice & extra virgin olive oil)  .......... yummmo  ;D
Posted by: Jane, Thursday, April 5, 2007, 2:47pm; Reply: 12
Marion 78 - Check the errata for Live Right.  There were some things in there that said per week that are supposed to be per day.  You can find it somewhere her on the site.
Jane
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Thursday, April 5, 2007, 3:15pm; Reply: 13
shells... I am going to give her your recipe ;) :D....
Posted by: KimonoKat, Thursday, April 5, 2007, 3:27pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Marion78
Okay, I'm a bit confused after reading Live Right 4 Your Type.  The food charts list the amount of servings one should have per week.  It says neutral veggies are 2 to 3 servings per week rather than day.  Fruit says 1 to 3 servings per week rather than day.  Oils is 3 to 5 per week.  Nuts and seeds is 5 to 7 per week.

I do have a question.  Is eating over the limit in eggs and nuts an issue for those who aren't worried about gaining weight?  In other words, is there any harm in eating several handfuls of nuts a day or eating eggs everyday for Type O non-secretors?

Regards,
Marion


The "per week" vs "per day" regarding fruits and vegetables is a publishing error.  The nuts and Oils per week is correct.  Here is where  Scroll down to where the entries for Live Right are.

Nonnies do have less IAP(intestinal alkalilne phosphotase) than secretors.  IAP is the enzyme that is critical in the breakdown of fats, and what turns it on is the presence of protein.  So, you might want to be conscious of your nut consumption.  From my understanding it's not so much gaining weight, but just the ability to breakdown these foods in large amounts.  According to typebase, walnuts are 69% fat; pumpkin seeds are 52% fat.

Regarding eggs.... I don't know.  I can't check while I'm posting. Are you Rh+ or Rh-?  You get more 2 more meat protein servings per week if you are Rh-.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, April 5, 2007, 3:56pm; Reply: 15
on eggs and lecithin content and lowering cholesterol.....

http://www.dadamo.com/columns/weekly/ask2.pl?20070330.txt
http://www.dadamo.com/columns/weekly/ask2.pl

interesting read

on fat and non secretors
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000206.htm
Posted by: Alia Vo, Friday, April 6, 2007, 3:06am; Reply: 16
Quoted from Marion78
I do have a question.  Is eating over the limit in eggs and nuts an issue for those who aren't worried about gaining weight?  In other words, is there any harm in eating several handfuls of nuts a day or eating eggs everyday for Type O non-secretors?


The guidelines are merely recommendations.  There are many people who follow the portion/fequency guidelines, while others devise a plan that fits their own unique metabolic and digestive profile and health objectives.

It may be useful to use the portion/frequency guidelines as a foundation and tweak any refinements based on your dietary needs/concerns.  For instance, if you are omitting an entire food group, compensate with appropriate choices from another food category.  

I believe your body will inform you in what it needs or does not need.


Alia

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 6:09pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from Marion78
Okay, I'm a bit confused after reading Live Right 4 Your Type.  The food charts list the amount of servings one should have per week.  It says neutral veggies are 2 to 3 servings per week rather than day.  Fruit says 1 to 3 servings per week rather than day

*sigh*, this is why I never recommend LR4YT as a first book in the BTD series to anyone, because of this very significant publishing error.  Marion, unfortunately that is indeed an error.  It should say 2 to 3 servings per DAY for both veggies and fruits.  This has been addressed extensively on this site, but, imho, very unfortunately, no new edition of LR4YT has come out with that problem corrected.  Between that bad publishing error and the confusing tier system, it is really a shame that all the great info in LR4YT is kinda sorta overshadowed.  LR4YT has great information on secretor status and is the book that introduced the non-secretor refinements to the diet, which are huge/crucial for nonnies like moi.  So I do love LR, but by the time I recommend it to anyone, I have them cruising along in ER4YT first.  Then I introduce them to LR for the secretor info and I make sure to tell them about the fruit/veg serving error IMMEDIATELY because, to me, it is so major.  If someone reads LR and doesn't know about that error, they might decide to chuck the diet because that tiny amount of fruit and veg would be very hard to sustain, given that veg and fruit are actually the foundation/bedrock of everyone's BTD and so, since, for example, grains are so limited for O nons as well as added sugars, veg and fruit becomes CRUCIAL.  If LR had been my intro to the diet and I didn't know about this site and the errata page, I would be like, get back, honky cat, I can't sustain this lot!

So, please, please up your veggie and fruit intake.  And as KK said, sweet potatos are a great starch choice for nons and you don't need really to worry about overdoing it with them.

Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 7:20am; Reply: 18
I basically have to avoid carbs like mad.  Just tonight I had something with sugar in it and very shortly thereafter I started feeling a tightness in my chest.  I went home and took some cayenne and ginger.  Too bad I didn't have any bladderwrack, because that definitely would have helped.
Posted by: Mary M., Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 7:46pm; Reply: 19
Hi Everyone,

Thanks, shells, for the pumpkin recommendation.
Does anyone know if the canned plain pumpkin is ok?  
It's impossible, so far, to find a fresh pumpkin at this time of year in the desert.

Cordially, Margaret
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, April 26, 2007, 12:49am; Reply: 20
read ingredients first before purchasing.......citric acid is added sometimes...
Posted by: The Pen, Thursday, April 26, 2007, 6:45pm; Reply: 21
My experiance is (with my clients) if you want to kill candida, stricly cut out grain,sugar or other carbs.
Candida live from these kind of foods. It starve when you stop eating them.

All the best remember you are  0 non - sekretor.

p.s. I'm sorry Dr.D but I recommend for a very very short time Aloe vera to kill candida. I know the problem of Lectins but in my opinion candida is much worse.
Posted by: shells, Friday, April 27, 2007, 7:47am; Reply: 22
Quoted from Margaret
Hi Everyone,

Thanks, shells, for the pumpkin recommendation.
Does anyone know if the canned plain pumpkin is ok?  
It's impossible, so far, to find a fresh pumpkin at this time of year in the desert.

Cordially, Margaret

Hi Margaret,  we have so many varieties of pumpkin right throughout the year  over here and don't tend to have canned pumpkin in our supermarkets except as pumpkin soup  -  which I'd rather make myself anyway as pureeing in a blender with a little garlic and a touch of cayenne pepper is so easy and tasty!!  
:D  

Maybe someone can help you out with the canned variety and ingredient lists    :)   You are so lucky from the convenience point of view that these items are available  in cans   :D
Posted by: Lola, Friday, April 27, 2007, 7:29pm; Reply: 23
aloe is best for As like you....
try bladderwrack with your Os instead.
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