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Posted by: 702 (Guest), Thursday, March 29, 2007, 12:51am
I just went to a wonderful nutritionist today and I just want to see if anyone has taken any of the herbs that she had asked me to take.  She is sure I have Thyroid, Adrenal and Hypoglycemia problems from looking at my blood work, so she has told me to take:
Adaptocrine (for Adrenals)
Proglyco-SP (for Hypoglycemia)
L-phenalaynin (spelling?-for stress/anxiety)
5HTP (also for anxiety)
HCL
Hemevite (Iron)
Apex K9 or K12 for Thyroid
and some digestive enzymes, probiotics and a multivitamin.  

Most of this she wants me to get from a brand called Apex.  I just want to know if anyone has tried any of these or if you have any ideas or comments.  I will probably order them tonight or tomorrow morning.  I also sent in my secretor test today and am very excited!  Thank you all!!
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, March 29, 2007, 12:54am; Reply: 1
is she bt certified, or does she take individuality as well as physiology into account?
Posted by: KimonoKat, Thursday, March 29, 2007, 2:13am; Reply: 2
Quoted from Lyrica
I just went to a wonderful nutritionist today and I just want to see if anyone has taken any of the herbs that she had asked me to take.  She is sure I have Thyroid, Adrenal and Hypoglycemia problems from looking at my blood work, so she has told me to take:
Adaptocrine (for Adrenals)
Proglyco-SP (for Hypoglycemia)
L-phenalaynin (spelling?-for stress/anxiety)
5HTP (also for anxiety)
HCL
Hemevite (Iron)
Apex K9 or K12 for Thyroid
and some digestive enzymes, probiotics and a multivitamin.  

Most of this she wants me to get from a brand called Apex.  I just want to know if anyone has tried any of these or if you have any ideas or comments.  I will probably order them tonight or tomorrow morning.  I also sent in my secretor test today and am very excited!  Thank you all!!


What are her certifications?

Does she recommend these brands because she sells them herself?

I question someone recommending so many products at once.  My herbalist will only recommend, at the most five different supplements at once.  Your consultant is recommending you take ten different items.

Look at Dr. D's protocols.  There are at times, not even five items in a protocol, and he only recommends to try one or two in combination.

Before you decide to take anything (besides Dr. D's blood type specific formulas), consider waiting for your secretor test results to come back.

ETA:  How is she so certain you have these conditions?  Did she perform any blood tests?
Posted by: Alia Vo, Thursday, March 29, 2007, 2:43am; Reply: 3
You may want to pursue and complete the Supplement Determinator and compare the results with the supplements recommended from the nutritionist and this online computer program.  

You can then check for invidualized ingredients for the supplements:
http://www.dadamo.com/ingrediator/determinator.htm

Alia
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Thursday, March 29, 2007, 9:47am; Reply: 4
::) I wouldn't go for the phenylalanin.....better go for Inositol or l'theanine.....sorry.....and  in case of annemia, just take an ironsuppst. which is not too high because your body has to accept it:-) or just on aspartatebasic.

Can't say anything about the other stuffs, because I don't know em :D good luck to you
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, March 29, 2007, 7:09pm; Reply: 5
Floradix Floravite for iron sup.....
Posted by: Alia Vo, Thursday, March 29, 2007, 11:32pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from Lyrica
L-phenalaynin (spelling?-for stress/anxiety)
5HTP (also for anxiety)

NAP' Cortiguard is used for stress, anxiety; and try incorporating alternate nostril breathing and yoga sessions a few times weekly.

Hemevite (Iron)

Blackstrap molasses is a rich, whole foods source--no supplements needed.


Alia

Posted by: Lola, Friday, March 30, 2007, 2:41am; Reply: 7
try to always have molassas and dates around, plus the leafy greens
Try Floradix Floravite.
To metabolize iron it is critical to have some acid,  lemon
+ molasses is very good ... especially for A's ... who have a natural low-
acidity.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Friday, March 30, 2007, 2:50am; Reply: 8
Quoted from KimonoKat

Look at Dr. D's protocols.  There are at times, not even five items in a protocol, and he only recommends to try one or two in combination.


Gosh... I've been wondering all this time how many of the items in a protocol to take at one time... thanks for this info.!  
Posted by: KimonoKat, Friday, March 30, 2007, 4:18am; Reply: 9
Quoted from funkymuse


Gosh... I've been wondering all this time how many of the items in a protocol to take at one time... thanks for this info.!  


Here is where Dr. D talks about how to use the protocols.
Posted by: 702 (Guest), Friday, March 30, 2007, 7:04pm; Reply: 10
Thank you all so much for your responses.

Lola: I don't think she is bt certified.  She herself follows the blood type diet, but she wasn't looking at the supplements from that perspective.  She definitely took individuality into account.  I'll look into the Floradix Floravite and see how it's different from the Hemevite.

KimonoKat: It did seem like a lot to me, too.  I mentioned that to my mom and she said that I probably won't need to take all of them.  I would like to wait until I get my secretor test back, also, but in the meantime, I am still very tired all day and would love to get help with that.  I got my blood taken (basically just to find out my blood type and also it had been a long time since I had gotten it taken, sort of a normal checkup thing).  Here is what she found in the bloodwork:
High triglycerides (158 )
Low HDL (50)
Very Low Iron (57)
High Red Blood Cells (5.09)
High Total Protein (7.9)
High TSH (4.020)
My LDH is in the normal range, but she said this is because something else threw it off.  I don't remember exactly.

Anyway, I hope this is not total gibberish.
I am pretty sure that she doesn't make a profit off of the supplements.

Alia Vo:  Thank you for that link!  I took it, but it just made me more confused!  It is so hard to know what to follow.  All the supplements he reccomended sounded great, but it is hard for me to tell what I could take instead of what the nutritionist reccomended.  Dates are really high in sugar, which I really don't do too well on.  It kicks my hypoglycemia into full gear.  I don't know about molasses, but I'll look into it.

Tomatilla: I will definitely look into the Inositol and l'theanine.  What is bad about the phenylalanin?  Do you think the Hemevite is too strong?

All in all, I have always known that I am Hypoglycemic and I am pretty sure I have Thyroid and Adrenal problems and I am mildly anemic.  Also, I am a vegetarian, so I want to supplement B vitamins so that I get enough.  I am so thrilled about the possibility of feeling better (energy, ability to get up in the morning, lower stress about trivial things etc.) but it is just so confusing with so many different opinions!  I guess I wish there was an easy answer to all of this.

Also, here is the website of my nutritionist: http://www.wellnesswithrose.com/

-Lyrica
Posted by: Lola, Friday, March 30, 2007, 7:07pm; Reply: 11
thanks for the link!

she surely glows!!!
Posted by: 702 (Guest), Friday, March 30, 2007, 7:11pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from lola
thanks for the link!

she surely glows!!!


;DThat's good I hope!

Posted by: Lola, Friday, March 30, 2007, 7:14pm; Reply: 13
she seems to be doing the right thing!
Posted by: Jane, Friday, March 30, 2007, 7:17pm; Reply: 14
By the new standards, that TSH is high.  You may need some thyroid meds.  That would certainly account for being tired and perhaps a lot of the other symptoms too.  It's best to have your TSH below 3.
Jane
Posted by: 702 (Guest), Friday, March 30, 2007, 7:57pm; Reply: 15
Okay, I think I figured it out! ;D
Out of all the stuff she told me to take, the only ones that are long term are the:
Digestive enzymes, Probiotics, Extend Core, B-plex, and Omega-3 (flax oil)

All the rest (Adaptocrine, Proglyco-SP, L-phenalaynin, 5-HTP, HCL, Hemevite, Thyroxil, Thyro-CNV) would be very short term, perhaps one month or so just to get me "out of the woods" as my mom says.

From all your suggestions, I think I'm going to replace the Extend Core with The PolyVITE for type A and replace the L-phenalaynin and 5-HTP with Cortiguard and I will also try the nostril-breathing and yoga.

Thank you all so much again for all your ideas and support!

-Lyrica
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Friday, March 30, 2007, 8:29pm; Reply: 16
Lyrica, instead of going against anxiety, which is completely normal when being hypoclycemic, phenylalanin is ok for O's but I wouldn't recommend it for A's until you have been tested that you don't have any kind of phenylketunury,,,,and some people might be prone for that, even when it might be in milder form . And sorry this aminoacid is taken against hunger attacs but the other form consists only from Alanine and here it is taken in cases of hypoclycemy, yes here I can agree.

And something immensly important in such cases, please go for 6 meals daily to get out of your hypo-
glycemic attacs.....regular eatinghabits ere the keyword here ;) :D
Posted by: 702 (Guest), Saturday, March 31, 2007, 2:54am; Reply: 17
Thank you, Tomatilla!  I think just to be safe, that I will not take the phenylalanin, but just take the Cortiguard instead because it seems to serve the same purpose, right?  And also, it's recommended for type A's, so that's good.  Oh, I definitely eat at least 6 meals per day.  They're not really meals, but I'll eat just a bunch of little snacks throughout the day.  Like, I'll have a handful of peanuts and an apple and like an hour later I'll have a salad and some bread, just for example.

-Lyrica
Posted by: KimonoKat, Saturday, March 31, 2007, 4:38am; Reply: 18
I think you are on the right track.  Sometimes, it just takes baby steps.  But I also think that being a Type A with these health challenges, it's absolutey essential that you get your secretor status tested.  If you turn out to be a nonnie, it may not be in your best interest (health wise) to be totally vegetarian.

Sending you an energy prayer, and the hopes that you keep in touch and let us know how you are progressing.

Posted by: 702 (Guest), Sunday, April 1, 2007, 12:22am; Reply: 19
KimonoKat, I sent in my secretor test a few days ago and am anxiously awaiting my results.  My guess is that I am a Secretor because I do not do well on bananas.  Of course, I guess it is possible that I'm a nonnie and I am just so excited to find out, either way.  Hopefully I am a secretor so that being vegetarian is okay with my body.  Thank you for all the positive energy!  I will definitely stick around and post updates about how everything's going.   ;D
Posted by: KimonoKat, Sunday, April 1, 2007, 12:53am; Reply: 20
Well, if you are a nonnie, Isa will be happy to have more royals among us lol!  :K)
Posted by: 702 (Guest), Wednesday, April 4, 2007, 1:47am; Reply: 21
And if I'm a nonnie, that will certainly make me feel better, knowing that I'll be a royal!  ;D
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Wednesday, April 4, 2007, 8:47pm; Reply: 22
Lyrica-what a musical name!
I noticed that your nutritionist was an IFHI.  Isn't that Dr. D's program?  So she must be OK.
I keep thinking I'm a nonnie, too, but too cheap to do the test & don't like dealing with the mails!
Someday, these tests need to be available at health food stores.  One could pay for them there, take them home, & then mail in the sample.  Can that be so hard to do?
S S & L,
Mrs "T"   O+
Posted by: 702 (Guest), Thursday, April 5, 2007, 1:47am; Reply: 23
That would make it much easier, Mrs. T O+!  I don't know what IFHI is, but that's awesome if it's Dr. D's program.
I just got my results and found out that I'm a Secretor!  That's what I thought all along with my reactions to bananas.  I am also happy because I am a vegetarian and type A secretors do just fine, even thrive on a vegetarian diet.  If I had been a nonnie, as others have said, meat might be helpful in my diet.  So, YAY!  I am super happy :-).
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, April 5, 2007, 6:41am; Reply: 24
International Health Institute is what it says.....
Hifi stands for Institute for human individuality.......

Quoted Text
The Institute for Human Individuality (If) a 501c3 under Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine, has as its prime goal the fostering of research in the in the expanding area of human nutrigenomics.

http://www.dadamo.com/ifhi/2005/whoifhi.htm

why would anyone change the name, or make it appear different? ::)
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, April 5, 2007, 6:44am; Reply: 25
http://bms.brown.edu/ihi/
here s the international health institute and the logo isn t IFHI.....
only the one in this Dr s web page......very unethical if you ask me!

she kind of adapted her version of the IFHI logo to her advantage!  wow!

click on her IFHI logo and you get this
http://www.aanc.net/
very misleading!

Posted by: Drea, Thursday, April 5, 2007, 1:37pm; Reply: 26
I agree with Lola, and I would ask her about it. It is very misleading, especially since IfHI and aanc don't even have the same letters.
Posted by: Dr. D, Thursday, April 5, 2007, 1:53pm; Reply: 27
No, she is the real thing:

http://www.dadamo.com/registry/csvread.pl?ID=B-500

I think her web designer just got the links and the logos mixed up.

I've met Rose, she is very nice.
Posted by: Drea, Thursday, April 5, 2007, 2:04pm; Reply: 28
Well then I would still mention to her that the links are messed up.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, April 5, 2007, 3:28pm; Reply: 29
that s good to know!
Posted by: Don, Thursday, April 5, 2007, 5:38pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from Mrs_T_O+
I keep thinking I'm a nonnie, too, but too cheap to do the test & don't like dealing with the mails!
Someday, these tests need to be available at health food stores.  One could pay for them there, take them home, & then mail in the sample.  Can that be so hard to do?

I can buy the NAP Saliva Secretor tests at some local HFS or supplement stores. Have you checked with your local stores to see if they carry NAP products?

Posted by: 702 (Guest), Friday, April 6, 2007, 6:29am; Reply: 31
Yes, she is super nice!  Thanks for the info about the links, I'll pass it on, if I can remember   :).
Posted by: italybound, Friday, April 6, 2007, 2:21pm; Reply: 32
Lyrica, congrats on getting your secretor results back..........one less thing to 'worry' about eh?  ;)
Just wanted to mention.........from what I understand, hypoglycemia is a symptom of adrenal issues and if I weren't so tired, I'd check the thyroid thing too, but betting it is a symptom of adrenals also.  The best thing you can do for yourself is address your adrenal issues..........hard.   So sorry to say, I speak from experience.  :-/  Also, for adrenals, have 1/2-1 t.  sea salt w/ at least 8-10 oz of at least room temp water in the morning. There is some info here: http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm                  It is a great article, long.........but well worth the read.  Adrenal Fatigue: the 21st Century Stress Syndrome is a great book...........http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/products/adrenal_fatigue.php              I'm sure you can get it other places on the web and also at some book stores. I got mine at Borders.      There's a thread "Lemon/Salt Water and BM's" or something close to that..........lots of good info there............ I searched for this thread for a while, couldn't find it.........must get to bed, sorry. Do try to find it or maybe someone will know where it is and post. ;D
 Jane, you mentioned by the new standards, Lyrica's TSH is high. Can you point me to some info I can read on that. I remembered that the 'acceptable' TSH levels for this had been adjusted somewhat recently, but have never found the info on it. I would really be interested in reading it. Thanks.  ;)
Posted by: Lisalea, Friday, April 6, 2007, 3:10pm; Reply: 33
Here's the thread ... happy reading
;) :) ;D
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=GC,v=display,m=1171829602,s=0
Posted by: Drea, Friday, April 6, 2007, 3:25pm; Reply: 34
I just got the results back from my TSH and it is 1.32 out of a range of 0.465 to 4.68. The doctor I saw yesterday (internal med) said that the best numbers for TSH are between 1 and 2, which is why mine is considered good.
Posted by: 702 (Guest), Saturday, April 7, 2007, 12:36am; Reply: 35
Thank you for all the suggestions, italybound!  It really makes sense that hypoglycemia, thyroid, and adrenals are all very closely related.  I had a very interesting idea pop into my head that maybe some of you could shed a little light on.  Up to the age of 11 I never had any anxiety about public speaking.  I was the best public speaker in my class and did lots of theater.  Suddenly toward the end of 6th grade, I started to have horrible anxiety about public speaking and if I had to read something aloud in class, my throat would completely close up, my vision would get really blurry and I would have a hard time reading it at all.  And this still continues today, though not to that extent.  It mostly occurs when I have to read something or say something specific.  I have no problem raising my hand and talking, for example.  Anyway, I realized that this started right around the time I got my first period.  Since the adrenals are basically dealing with hormones and that was the time when my hormones started to their full extent, is it possible that it is my adrenals and thyroid that are causing this anxiety?  I don't know too much about the biology of it all, but this idea just popped into my head.  
So, yes, my TSH being around 4 is pretty high.  Hopefully all the stuff I am taking is helping.  Well, actually I am fairly certain it is.  I feel a bit less tired (and my mom says that I seem more relaxed, though I can't tell that much).

-Lyrica
Posted by: italybound, Saturday, April 7, 2007, 3:35am; Reply: 36
Lyrica, if you dont mind my asking, how was life at home as a child? Was there alot of turmoil? An absent parent? I just ask because I believe my adrenal issues started as a child. Very tumultuous childhood, very abusive father.
If you don't mind my mentioning it again, please add at least the salt water to your morning routine.  The added fresh lemon would be very helpful also, but the salt part of it is really important w/ the adrenal issues.  ;) :)
Did a quick search for hormones and anxiety. At a quick skim, this looks like a good article. I need to sit and read the whole thing myself.
http://panicdisorder.about.com/od/underlyingcauses/a/irene.htm
Here are some other articles/sites/info:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hormones+and+anxiety&btnG=Google+Search
Posted by: 702 (Guest), Sunday, April 8, 2007, 6:16am; Reply: 37
Oh, no, I don't mind you asking at all!  Actually, my life as a child was absolutely wonderful.  My parents were always (and still are) extremely supportive, fun, kind, understanding and I always felt so warm and wonderful and comforted at home with my parents.  Thank you for reinforcing the salt water.  I really need to try it and I will if I can remember.  Maybe I should write myself a note.
Those articles are really great (I read the beginning of them, but I really should read the whole thing).  It sounds like the anxiety really could be caused by all the hormonal issues.

-Lyrica
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, April 8, 2007, 3:45pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from Lyrica
Oh, no, I don't mind you asking at all!  Actually, my life as a child was absolutely wonderful.  My parents were always (and still are) extremely supportive, fun, kind, understanding and I always felt so warm and wonderful and comforted at home with my parents.  Thank you for reinforcing the salt water.  I really need to try it and I will if I can remember.  Maybe I should write myself a note.
Those articles are really great (I read the beginning of them, but I really should read the whole thing).  It sounds like the anxiety really could be caused by all the hormonal issues.-Lyrica


How happy to hear you had a wonderful childhood and still have supportive parents.  :)Pretty rare in this day and age, sad to say.
Yes, maybe putting a note somewhere where you will be sure to see it each morning, until it just becomes habit will help w/ the salt water.  ;)
I just read a good article on why distilled water is better than all others. It said in a nutshell that all other waters have inorganic minerals which our bodies cant use. If we cant eliminate them, they lodge in all kinds of places in our bodies causing tons of issues. It says the fact that the rains fall w/ the inorganic minerals is good because the plants/soils need it for growing. The plants turn the inorganic to organic in it's growing process (I know I'm not saying this right but it's the gist) and as organic minerals, we can consume and properly assimilate them. I know there has been some controversy over distilled water but I do think I'm going to give it a try for a while.
 I have no doubt that anxiety could be caused by hormone imbalance, as well as avoid foods. I see that in myself.  :'(         However, knowledge is power and the more attention we pay to how foods, etc   affect us, the healthier we will be.  ;D
Posted by: 702 (Guest), Monday, April 9, 2007, 3:03am; Reply: 39
The thing about seltzer water is...I've never tried it.  In fact, I have never had any carbonated substance.  Not even a soda--ever.  So, maybe I'd be able to deal with the bubbles, but I don't know.  I'll at least really try to do the salt water thing.  But I wish I could drink seltzer water because what you're saying makes sense.
I've been soooo good about not eating avoids (but I know I haven't been eating the right amount of each group of foods) although I think not eating avoids is at least the major thing, right?
Posted by: italybound, Monday, April 9, 2007, 9:59am; Reply: 40
Quoted from Lyrica
The thing about seltzer water is...I've never tried it.  I'll at least really try to do the salt water thing.  But I wish I could drink seltzer water because what you're saying makes sense.I've been soooo good about not eating avoids (but I know I haven't been eating the right amount of each group of foods) although I think not eating avoids is at least the major thing, right?


I think you're saying here that you know seltzer water is an avoid  :'( ......am I right?   You could just pretend the salt water has bubbles in it. LOL
And yes, you're correct, the not eating the avoids is the major thing. It takes a little planning to eat the correct amount from each food group.........or it would for me anyway.  ;)
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, April 9, 2007, 5:49pm; Reply: 41
I think you're better off without the bubbles, Lyrica, being the A that you are!  :-)
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Monday, April 9, 2007, 6:44pm; Reply: 42
How wonderful that you are so young & understand the BTD so well & have had such a good diet!
I personally am not that conscientious about amounts suggested in the books.  They are a good guideline, but if you crave a little more protein or fat ot carbs, don't panic.
As an O, it suggests a certain amount of oil per week.  Sometimes I have that much in a day!  (Usually olive oil, of course!) But I don't panic,  I am of Mediterranean nationality which I assume needs more oil, & have a voracious O appetite w/ low blood sugar.  Sometimes the oil is what controls all that!!
Keep up the good work!
Mrs "T"    O+
Posted by: 702 (Guest), Tuesday, April 10, 2007, 6:37am; Reply: 43
For some reason as I read your post, italybound, I saw the word distilled and without thinking, thought you were referring to bubbily water.  Silly little me! :-)
Anyway, I've got it all straight in my mind now and I am very happy that seltzer water is an avoid so I never have to drink it!  
It is very good to know that not everyone is amazingly good with the amounts of each food.  I tend to eat a lot more yogurt than is reccomended, so I guess that's okay, as long as I'm not eating, say, 4 cups a day!
Thank you so much, Mrs T O+!  Whenever I think about eating something that would be horrible for me, I just think of my Grampa, who is 94 and so healthy.  He has minor heart problems, but that's really it.  He does exercises every day and eats so well (not the BTD, but just a generally healthy diet).  He is the only other type A in my family, so maybe that means I'll get to live as old as him.  :-)
Posted by: italybound, Tuesday, April 10, 2007, 1:02pm; Reply: 44
Quoted from Lyrica
For some reason as I read your post, italybound, I saw the word distilled  


?????

Quoted from Lyrica
I just think of my Grampa, who is 94 and so healthy.  He has minor heart problems, but that's really it.  


My grandma lived to be a month shy of 97. She lived on her own until she was 95. I believe the difference is............they prob ate a teeny tiny fraction of all the processed foods most people eat today. I know when my g'pa was alive he raised all their veggies and I know she still ate good after he passed on. What kinds of food we consume.......once again, makes all the difference.  ;D
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, April 10, 2007, 6:41pm; Reply: 45
A lot of the older generations were much more naturally active out of doors in all kinds of weather, breathing cleaner air than most of us have access to, and drinking cleaner water.

Lyrica,
I also eat more yogurt than is recommended.  I justify it to myself since I don't drink milk and eat cheese only a few times a year as a special treat.  Most of us make our own concessions based on what our own bodies are healthy with.
Posted by: 697 (Guest), Sunday, August 26, 2007, 5:19pm; Reply: 46
:D
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