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Posted by: zola, Sunday, March 25, 2007, 6:58am
Who has noticed that they have greater sensitivity to avoids after being compliant to the blood type diet?

I wonder if my body is more offended after being cleaned up.

What is your take?
Posted by: 547 (Guest), Sunday, March 25, 2007, 8:10am; Reply: 1
Zola,

The more compliant one has been over a period, the greater the sensitivity you have when taking avoids..
For me it is not worth 'sinning' by eating avoids.. The diarrhea, fatigue are no option for me anymore.. So I stopped eating avoids completely.
I feel great adhering to my A secretor lifestyle!!  ;D

Cocky 8)
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Sunday, March 25, 2007, 8:34am; Reply: 2
I for sure feel this affect - but no all avoids do that to me!
Being a secretor I have the "luck"?  that I´ve got tier 2 avoids and I do not seem to have a physical problems/reactions with these... but I try (and try) to stay away from avoids in general.
I do find that my body reacts most violent to te red falg avoids... no wonder there !

I  have a feeling that nonnies a "punished" more severe than healthy secretors- when they "sin"...

I noticed that my othervise healthy O sec daughter-  gets ezema every time she do milk and yoghurt - BUT she gets no reactions to cream and fatty cheese- so she is allowed to sin in the weekend.
Posted by: Mitchie, Sunday, March 25, 2007, 9:02am; Reply: 3
Hi Zola,

At this point I wouldn't even consider eating any avoids.  The fleeting bliss of Ben & Jerry's ice cream would soon be forgotten in a few hours when my body was in "rebellion mode".

I really enjoy how making good food choices results in feeling good.  It's been quite empowering!
Posted by: Debra+, Sunday, March 25, 2007, 12:11pm; Reply: 4
Yes...a greater sensitivity to avoids now.  Unless I don't know I am eating them (which is not likely to happen if I can help it) I don't eat any avoids anymore.  It is not worth it.  Like you say Mitchie...the bliss of eating Ben & Jerry's ice cream (or whatever) would soon be forgotten in a few hours (most times it is within minutes for me) when my body was in "rebellion mode".  It also can take days for it to be gone from my body.  Just ain't going there anymore. :D

Debra ;)
Posted by: OSuzanna, Sunday, March 25, 2007, 12:36pm; Reply: 5
Definitely avoids bother me more dramatically as a btd'er. A good example is, sometime in the first few weeks of compliance when I was a newbie, I was eating a "compliant" bowl of something - I forget what - that had a lot of pasta/spaghetti sauce involved. As I ate, my face started sweating and I started post-nasal-dripping like crazy and started getting a sore throat. I knew it had to be something in that bowl, and I got the spaghetti sauce jar and read the label...one of the first ingredients was corn syrup!! I had already known for years corn syrup bothered me, but here was a pronounced effect. Lesson learned! :B
One of the good things about avoids bothering you more is you can actually tell which ones are bothering you, and the symptoms they cause. Imagine my surprise when I learned the connection between oatmeal/granola and my elbow tendonitis!!
Yes, avoids actually help the lessons move from "book learning" to body experience, and we benefit alot from the experience.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, March 25, 2007, 12:37pm; Reply: 6
(clap)(dance)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(dance)(smarty)(sunny)(whistle)
and yeeesssss rrooostersisss you are soooo right ;) ;D ...congratulation for this deep insight ;) :K)... nor do I with any café since Octobre ;D :D


I think the toughiest is, to go around the temptations like white chocs, ice cream etc....
but when no more interest is there...nothing will happen ;) ;D
Posted by: OSuzanna, Sunday, March 25, 2007, 12:40pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from Henriette_Bsec

I noticed that my othervise healthy O sec daughter-  gets ezema every time she do milk and yoghurt - BUT she gets no reactions to cream and fatty cheese- so she is allowed to sin in the weekend.


I have always noticed that milk in, say, coffee or tea would bother the heck out of me, whereas the same amount of cream or half+half would not.  Pre btd that was a great puzzle. 8)
Sienna is so cute! :D

Posted by: Whimsical, Sunday, March 25, 2007, 1:08pm; Reply: 8
I'm going to be the dissenter and say this isn't true for me.  

I've been on the BTD for 5 years now and for many of those years, this was the case.  However, in the last year or so I have been working hard at improving my liver, kidneys, digestion (detoxification) and using quality probiotics diligently to improve my handling of sugars (including fruit, etc).  

I used to feel awful after eating avoids, especially the next morning, but in the last 6 months I have found that I am actually able to get away with the odd avoid when I have to (birthday parties, dinner out, etc) with far less impact!  I have to specify that I nearly never eat wheat, though.  Usually the avoids I have are potatoes, dairy, or sugar.  I used to use Deflect, but it only works on lectins (so not sugar, dairy) and I found that I did not notice a difference when using it with avoids.  What I've used it for instead is as a regular supplement to heal.  Perhaps I should try it with avoids again sometime.
Posted by: Whimsical, Sunday, March 25, 2007, 1:13pm; Reply: 9
One more thing - since September I have been working with my intern at the school clinic using homeopathy and auricular medicine and these things have had an incredible impact on my health too and I suspect this has a lot to do with the change in my reaction to avoids.  

My skin is clearer and healthier than it has been since high school, I have far fewer cramps during my period, and many other issues have been resolved or improved.  I only got so far on my own, even after years of compliance, research, and self-treatment.  I plan to write a blog about all this when I have time!
Posted by: veggiegirl, Sunday, March 25, 2007, 3:20pm; Reply: 10
The timing of this thread is SO appropriate!  This just happened to me last night!!! Don't know what I was thinking, but I messed up and had a piece of banana nut bread and WHAM!  It didn't even dawn on me until after I ate it that bananas are an avoid for me.  A half an hour later I was in agony for the rest of the evening with cramps & diarrhea!  I was sick to my stomach the rest of the night.  Man, what a lesson!   :o
Posted by: 1502 (Guest), Sunday, March 25, 2007, 4:11pm; Reply: 11
bananna bread eh? me likey. yea the 2 killer foods for me is rice and wheat. mayby cause im an animal at the dinner table i have to much rice (even though brown) i feel like my stomach wants to explode.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, March 25, 2007, 5:20pm; Reply: 12
Before BTD, when I lived on avoids, my body had settled into a low-grade chronic state of discomfort and slowly declining health.  I did not notice any immediate reaction from foods since most of what I ate was hurting my health (even though it was organic, natural and unrefined!)

After a few years on the BTD, the healing of my body has progressed in stages, sometimes with a flare-up of an old chronic condition that doesn't even seem to be related to what I eat (since I don't eat avoids anymore).  But I have noticed that many of the Infrequent Neutrals are not good for me at all, and if I eat them two or three days in a row, I feel as if I'm coming down with the flu.

A couple of weeks ago, I was at a friend's party with the only compliant protein for me being Quiche, baked into a wheat crust.  I ate a small piece, without the crust, but there was evidently some flour that floated up into the egg, because I felt like I had the flu for about 4 days.  So I call that instant sensitivity!

One of our members described it on another thread like this:
Her body is saying, "Oh, so NOW you want me to communicate with you when the food you eat isn't good for me?  Ok, you asked for it!"  (I'm paraphrasing)
Posted by: veggiegirl, Sunday, March 25, 2007, 5:32pm; Reply: 13
I think the BTD helps you to become more in tune with your body thereby being more apt to listen to the messages it sends.  Before BTD, I never paid much attention to what my body was trying to tell me.  Definitely a positive as far as I'm concerned!  ;)

Posted by: Luana, Sunday, March 25, 2007, 9:08pm; Reply: 14
Since starting on this diet over one year ago I have healed in many areas.  I no longer get colds like I use to and my sinuses have cleared up and healed quite a bit.  There is still more healing to do since I went so downhill from drugs and antibiotics on top of a bad diet.

When I eat an avoid, if it is a crucial one like wheat, I feel drugged and stuffed up the next day.  Chicken I haven't noticed any affect but sugar makes me quite ill immediately.  Corn tires my body.  Yes, it's great to be more in tune with myself and looking forward to continual healing on this new way of eating.

LF
Posted by: purlgirl, Sunday, March 25, 2007, 9:53pm; Reply: 15
I've only been at this since Jan so I have a long way to go, but I have made good progress and it sure feels grt.

I get in more trouble bc I don't like to waste food. It's usually something I bought for DH or left over from company.
My demon this week was boxed pudding made with soy milk and Bananas and Whipped cream.
So stupid - I know I'm extremely sensative to chemicals. That was Thurs. - it's Sunday now and I'm still recovering.

When I do react and get sinus pain I remind myself that I was in pain constantly befor.

For me the time of day I'm most likely to blow it  is just befor bed.  I have to eat something or I wake with a headache. I just need to plan ahead.

Whimsical - It's good to hear that things will get better.
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, March 26, 2007, 2:52am; Reply: 16
I talked an O friend into trying the BTD.  She was on it for a week when she ate a piece of chocolate cake---I think it was her first real avoid that week.  Within a matter of an hour she felt her face swelling and her brain fogging and her stomach hurting.  I saw her again today and asked her, chuckling, how long it took her to work through that cake.  She said,  "Well, the problem is, I ate another piece of it after I got home.  Then the next day I had a migraine.  It took me several days to work through that cake."  She healed that much in a week, so that she couldn't even eat cake anymore.  Now she's convinced that something's really happening in her body.

I have developed sensitivities to avoids too, things that didn't used to bother me.  But what really gets me are the neutrals that I can't eat now, peppers specifically.  As a non-secreter, they're supposed to be neutral.  But since being on the BTD, I found that peppers and potatoes were the very foods causing my acne and terrible cysts all over my upper body from the age of about 10 till I went on the diet.  But the problem is with peppers---I don't have to ingest them to react.  All I have to do is touch one or, I found out recently, inhale it as it's cooking, to react as if I'd eaten it.  That's scary.  Pepper oils?  And this last reaction I have no idea where it came from.  Maybe my hand brushed my husband's Tobasco jar in the fridge as I was reaching for the peanut butter.  Yikes.  

And here's a question about Deflect.  Before, when I took Deflect as soon as my skin started breaking out after an pepper exposure, it would all go away and be okay within in about two weeks (normally my skin would look leperous for about 2 months or longer until it worked its way out).  But now, it's like it quit working or something and it's taking months again for it to go away.  My husband suggested I quit taking the Deflect for a week or so then begin again.  Any suggestions from the peanut gallery?
Posted by: Olerica, Monday, March 26, 2007, 2:59am; Reply: 17
My experience has been that I was more sensitive for a long while to avoids and then I wasn't as sensitive (sort-of like Kate/Whimsical above).  I think it's because I eat less of the avoids.
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, March 26, 2007, 4:45am; Reply: 18
Ribbit,
How about trying a generous short term (a couple of days) dose of licorice root and quercetin the next time you have an outbreak.  It is very effective with other acute allergic reactions, such as poison ivy (oak), or insect bites and stings.
Posted by: eh, Monday, March 26, 2007, 8:01am; Reply: 19
Absolutement, Zola!
Whimsical, I'm looking forward to reading your blog on the topic.

I've noticed that as long as I am focusing on beneficials and neutrals, then I may occasionally have beef (an avoid for ABs) without any problems whatsoever. However, the worst avoids for me are black pepper, fresh/preserved/dried chiles and vinegar. I practically go into anaphylactic shock these days. My throat constricts suddenly and I feel like I am choking. Just like Ribbit, I only need to catch a whiff of the offender. It's a shock to me because I never used to have problems with these foods at all. I'm experimenting with re-introducing tiny amounts so that I am not caught out in public where my spluttering would probably mean coughing my meal across the table....um, it has happened. Fortunately, my dinner guest was English. Beyond the mildest, most fleeting look of surprise, she behaved as if nothing untoward had happened....then again, if you have 'dined' on English food....um, sorry to my UK mates....but that was my excuse, at the time.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, March 26, 2007, 11:43am; Reply: 20
;D ;D ;D Madame eh, I know I am not nice by laughing  onto that subject ::) but just the picture in my head to see you *caughing your meal across the table * just toooo funny fo my imagination ::) :B :X ...
and be assured, nothing abnormal in that behaviour (meant from yours ;) ;D ) :K)

but you know, my biggest wish at this time is: to go into one of the best and expensivest reataurants,
equal of what nature or country ::) and behaving like rats ::) ...just miss piggy should be the préname ;) ;D ;D ......of this ::) omG...I know that I am a bit :-/  :B :X ....but I think would pee into my pants ;)

                                                      ;D
Posted by: eh, Monday, March 26, 2007, 12:25pm; Reply: 21
you cannot take me out anywhere, Isa...oh, the stories I can dine out on...
you would laugh your head off...
Posted by: Jane, Monday, March 26, 2007, 1:47pm; Reply: 22
Great thread.  I took my mother and her aide out to lunch on Saturday to a Pizzeria Uno.  I ordered a hamburger on a plate with lettuce and mozzarella and a side of smashed cauliflower.  I don't know what was in the cauliflower (I know better. I should have asked ahead of time).  It knocked the heck out of me.  I was supposed to meet some friends for dinner but I felt so lousy I stayed home.  I hadn't had cauliflower for a long time.  I'm pretty sure it's an O secretor neutral.
Jane
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, March 26, 2007, 5:19pm; Reply: 23
Hey Jane, Guess what?

Cauliflower is a Tier one avoid for both O secretors and nonnies.  Tier one is the worst avoids and the best beneficials.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, March 26, 2007, 7:54pm; Reply: 24
eh,
perhaps testing your subtype would be interesting.....
you could be an A1B or an A2B.....
Posted by: Alia Vo, Monday, March 26, 2007, 9:08pm; Reply: 25
The food senstivity towards avoids after a long absence allows our bodies to be cognizant that this lifestyle is working for us effectively.

Alia
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, March 27, 2007, 1:48am; Reply: 26
That's right.  One thing that's really interesting to me is how many people on this forum have food sensitivities, many only discovered after BTD.  Goes to show you that Dr. D certainly got something right besides just preventing disease.  I think the entire point of the BTD was to have each type in optimal health and prevent common diseases prevelant in each type, but as a side benefit, we are all discovering that we shouldn't be eating those avoids anyway, because they were making us feel bad.  It's amazing, really.

I remember a long time ago there was a post by Dr. D saying something about how often he ate avoids and many of us were astonished that he could get away with it.  I posted that I figure he's been on the BTD so many years that a few avoids don't bother him anymore.  Looks like that idea is being revisited.

While I personally am still really sensitive to a few things, on the flip side I was in a situation where the only thing I could eat for two meals in a row was pork.  Now I haven't had pork in nearly 2 years (nor have I had all the additives and junk that it certainly contained), and I thought it might be really aweful for me, but surprisingly I had no reaction at all.  No lethargy, no irritability, no tummy ache, no nothing.  

Been a little afraid of trying the neutral dairy products (I'm scared of the idea of cheese--can you say 'labor pains?'), but to be honest when I spooned out some plain yogurt for my daughter the other day, my brain said, "You know, that would really be good for you right now."  I didn't try it, but I'm thinking I might when I have nothing going on for a couple of days just in case I have the old stomach reaction.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, March 27, 2007, 2:43pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from zola
Who has noticed that they have greater sensitivity to avoids after being compliant to the blood type diet?

I wonder if my body is more offended after being cleaned up.

What is your take?

Many of us BTDers have noticed this.  My take on it is that one or more of several things could be going on when this phenomenon takes place.  For me, I think it is two-fold:

1.  I NOTICE my reaction to avoids more, because now I have a healthy baseline and so it is like, day-uuuum, I never noticed that when I eat wheat, x, y, and z happens!  I always thought, pre-BTD, that x, y and z were my normal state of affairs!

2.  When chugging along in healthy, BTD baseline fashion, our immune system is free to really ATTACK any offenders.  Unlike when there was a constant barage/assault of avoids, pre-BTD, and we were run down and our immune "army" was scattered in a million directions, we now have a potent, organized standing army ready to ATTACK anything that gets past the gates.  So the response to each avoid may indeed by swifter and stronger than before.  For example, my allergy to new-mown grass, which was bad as a kid, then seemed to go away, is baa-aack.  Not as bad as when I was a kid, but baaa-aack, nonetheless.  I think because my immune system is saying, in the immortal words of an anti-drug marcher's chant:  "We're fired up, we ain't taking no mo'!"

That's my scientific analysis of the sitch, anyway *lol*!   ;)
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Tuesday, March 27, 2007, 4:08pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from Edna
1.  I NOTICE my reaction to avoids more, because now I have a healthy baseline and so it is like, day-uuuum, I never noticed that when I eat wheat, x, y, and z happens!  I always thought, pre-BTD, that x, y and z were my normal state of affairs!


so true ! I agree 100 % :)
Posted by: dawgmama, Tuesday, March 27, 2007, 4:58pm; Reply: 29
My O guys really like "baby back ribs" on the grill, so.... since Sunday was the warmest day of the year here in Wi and ribs were on sale, I "treated" my guys to a nice BBQ. I made those ribs to perfection, and boy did they smell good! I never buy pork for them, so it has been quite a while since they've had it. My husband and son really enjoyed the meal, however Monday morning my husband called from work and asked where the Advil was. Both of his elbows really ached. I mentioned "hmmm... maybe it is from the pork?" Get this!!!!  :oHe actually agreed with me!! He doesn't really follow BTD for himself, but eats whatever I put in front of him. I am still working on getting him to not eat wheat, but his consumption is way down. When my son got home from school, I noticed that he was experiencing quite an acne breakout, and he said his stomach hurt.

I guess I will have to start watching for sales on beef ribs, since the guys enjoy that meal so much. I wonder, by getting my son more compliant, if when he goes to college, and eats the normal slop that is so common in that age group, if he will really suffer? Any suggestions? ??)
Posted by: Alia Vo, Tuesday, March 27, 2007, 10:07pm; Reply: 30
Good learning lesson for your husband and son.

If your son has the opportunity to live in an apartment when he's away at college, this will allow him more freedom to cook his own meals or throw together healthy compliant pre-made 'O' food items.

College dorm foods contain alot of wheat, dairy, corn, gmo and processed foods.  His safest option would be favoring the salad bars to prepare and 'design' his own meals based on meat, fish, vegetables, and other healthy compliant foods.

Alia
Posted by: 1328 (Guest), Wednesday, March 28, 2007, 5:40pm; Reply: 31
For me, I am a lot more sensitive to the meats, a lot of bloating and gas.  Lima beans are very painful, so that makes it easier to avoid.
Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, April 11, 2007, 8:26pm; Reply: 32
We just got back from a week in Florida and at dinner time (and bathroom-break time) the only exit for miles around had a restaurant we'd never eaten at.  A "family-style" restaurant.  We went in and ordered the foods that seemed the safest, and paid an arm and a leg for it.  It wasn't very good.  And 2 hrs. later when we stopped at a rest area, I was having some real sugar cravings.  While my husband was in the bathroom, I sneeked over to just look at the junk in the vending machines.  I resisted, of course, knowing it would only make things worse.  Out at the car, I mentioned, "Wow, I'm really wanting sugar right now.  Lunch threw something off."  My husband said, "Yeah, while you were in the bathroom I almost bought a candy bar and a coke."  We both laughed and settled for some dried fruit and nuts which we had brought with us.  Interesting that one bad meal made us both crave sugar like that.  For dinner we stopped at a sushi place (and paid the other arm and leg) and felt good and clean after we ate.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Wednesday, April 11, 2007, 10:41pm; Reply: 33
Wow.. just read all the posts here on this thread and it's very motivating.  All the posts on the forum are helping me want to get more and more on track with the BTD.  Like I said before, I've been bouncing back and forth thinking I could have an avoid here and there, etc., etc., and I just have never felt very good.  I have a day or two that I might feel good and then crappy again.

Due to reading all these posts, I can only put the blame only on myself for not working to be more compliant.  I want to 'feel good!'  The stories here make me realize that it is possible to feel good if I work at being compliant.

Today while I was on a walk with my husband, we saw some older forest workers eating subway sandwiches and chips for lunch and I thought to myself... how do people get away with it?  If I ate that, I'd be sick, and fogged in and tired and achy.  Don't they feel that way?  Why doesn't my husband, who is an A and loves his burgers and crappy food, feel sick all the time?  I can't answer for the forest workers or my husband, I only know how I feel and it is NOT good after eating non-compliant foods!

So thank you once again and again and again for all your stories of success in working the BTD.  The ideas, suggestions and testimonies are a lifeline for me that I'm slowly but surely beginning to use more and more in my own daily moments with food.

Christina
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, April 11, 2007, 11:37pm; Reply: 34
we all benefit by reading this forum!
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, April 13, 2007, 12:31am; Reply: 35
It's one of the highlights of my day.
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Friday, April 13, 2007, 7:35pm; Reply: 36
Yes, I'm the same.  I can't eat the avoids anymore.  They totally wreak havoc on my body now.  I feel so bad it's incredible.
Posted by: shells, Saturday, April 14, 2007, 12:38pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from funkymuse


So thank you once again and again and again for all your stories of success in working the BTD.  The ideas, suggestions and testimonies are a lifeline for me that I'm slowly but surely beginning to use more and more in my own daily moments with food.

Christina


I fully agree with Christina ...being a lifeline of support in daily life and also like Ribbit ...

"It's one of the highlights of my day."

Cheers  ;D
Posted by: Esmerelda, Monday, April 16, 2007, 10:11pm; Reply: 38
I'll be the first to admit that I'm definitely not completely compliant, but even still, I really notice the difference when eating avoids, especially wheat... It makes me feel ill, makes my throat start to itch and ache, my eczema flare up, and my nose starts running like I've been crying.

However, I can get away with the odd potato, so long as it's in modearation and eaten with compliant foods. If I have the occasional isolated snack of crisps or corn crackers, I get bad stomach cramps and very unpleasant gas...

I know that sugar is very, very bad for me, but as I've been physically and mentally addicted to it for as long as I can remember, I'm having a hard time slowing consumption. However, I seem to have been making progress lately... It's silly, but I go mad when I'm in the supermarket and buy tons of sugary rubbish in my fuzzy state, and then once I'm home and looking forward to my simple beef and sweet potato supper, the very sight of biscuits or chocolate makes me want to throw up. I feel so much clearer, balanced and stable when I manage to stop for a few days... And if I succumb then, it's almost like getting high. Scary.
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 12:53am; Reply: 39
Quoted from Esmerelda

I feel so much clearer, balanced and stable when I manage to stop for a few days... And if I succumb then, it's almost like getting high. Scary.


This is very insightful.  

It really is a type of addiction, whether to starches, sugar, caffeine, or other foods that trigger so much misery.  Once we start, it seems that the only way to relieve the suffering is to eat more of the offending food.  But that keeps the cycle locked in place as an entrapment.
Posted by: 1119 (Guest), Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 4:11am; Reply: 40
Hi all...

I have just started the BTD, but I've all but given up dairy for about a year now to try and rid myself of chronic sinus problems.

On the rare occasions I have dairy, I believe the significant factor as to whether I have a reaction to it is the amount of processing/pasteurisation involved.  

Cheese is in almost everything here in NZ.  Even when I specifically ask for a sandwich without cheese at a grab and go place at the mall where I work, it will usually have cheese hidden in there somewhere.  I can tell almost immediately after digging in!  The cheap, processed stuff will get me almost every time.  (Now I go to Subway, where I can watch my sandwich being made!)

However, when I've had organic dairy, I almost never have a reaction (or if I do, it's minimal).  Sometimes I will get a mango lassi with my lamb saag at the local Indian takeaway and I never have a reaction to it.  I asked the chef/owner where he gets the yoghurt from and he proudly told me he makes it himself!

It's logical to me that the processing/additives a food has contribute just as much to the avoid reaction as the food itself.

Do any of you experience this as well?

Cheers
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 5:54pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from erin

It's logical to me that the processing/additives a food has contribute just as much to the avoid reaction as the food itself.

Do any of you experience this as well?


I totally agree with your opinion of chemically laced, processed foods being terribly bad for our health.  Natural, simple, organic foods are easier to digest and do not complicate our body's efforts to digest and metabolise foods.

However, if a food is classed as Avoid, it's still an avoid, whether it is organic and unprocessed, or not.  The reasons that foods are avoids are due to the nature of the substance itself, in ways that may not even be felt for years.  Later on, down the road, serious diseases can be the result of eating avoids, even if those foods appeared to be easy to digest and showed no negative reactions in the short term.
Posted by: 1119 (Guest), Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 10:16pm; Reply: 42
Thanks.  I understand the reason for avoiding "avoids" in all circumstances; I was just speaking of the initial reaction to eating the food and wondering if anyone else had noticed the same differences, since no one had mentioned the organic/processing factors yet on the thread.  But I can understand why it might seem I was looking for an excuse to eat them :-)
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 10:27pm; Reply: 43
try getting rid of the wheat too!
feel the difference!
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000312.htm
Posted by: 1119 (Guest), Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 1:23am; Reply: 44
Hi Lola,

I am almost completely wheat- and corn-free... it's great!  I had already changed to spelt and rye bread and buckwheat/millet/veggie pastas pre-BTD once I realised that all the grains I was consuming were either wheat, oats or rice and decided I needed more variety.  Now on the BTD I am just finetuning that aspect.  The only time I have wheat is the occasional sandwich out, but I am working on anticipating that and bringing something from home instead.    It's funny how I had been working towards the BTD for awhile without even knowing it!  The main challenge as a former veggie is getting in the animal protein.  I don't eat much processed food so it's pretty easy to avoid corn, although I just glanced at the label on my canned salmon the other day and saw maize thickener in the ingredient list... LOL  It's even more common in NZ than at home in the States, I think.  Will have to find another brand methinks!
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 6:51pm; Reply: 45
Erin,
There are quite a number of us ex-vegetarians here on the Forum.  :-)
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 10:21pm; Reply: 46
great Erin!
Posted by: 1119 (Guest), Thursday, April 19, 2007, 7:00am; Reply: 47
Quoted from Victoria
Erin,
There are quite a number of us ex-vegetarians here on the Forum.  :-)
Thanks, Victoria, that is very comforting to know.  :-)

I have an O friend who is still sticking it out as a veggie.  I really hope she doesn't run into more health trouble down the road (already has Hashimoto's).  She says eating meat makes her ill.  When I had meat recently for the first time in a long time, I could swear I felt all the cells in my body smile at once.

Posted by: Lola, Thursday, April 19, 2007, 2:16pm; Reply: 48
type O vegetarian

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=GC,v=display,m=1152583838,s=0
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=lr4yt,m=1125103517,s=0
http://www.dadamo.com/fao/smartfaq.cgi?answer=1072550006
Quoted Text
Dr D
It is only my completely subjective opinion that many grain
eating-vegetarian type O's are dopamine deficient, and
perhaps because of this some, tend be more introverted,
others more angry or agitated.

Most of the vegetable proteins are not metabolized efficiently
by type O, and some inhibit their proper functioning of the thyroid.

In reality (although very occasionally spotted) a healthy vegan
type O is a rather rare thing.


More commonly,  vegan type O's  help explain
why the people who hang out in health food
stores often don't look very robust or healthy.
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 10:10am; Reply: 49
I agree.  

After being on high compliance now, whenever I have any carbohydrate avoids I get no end of sinusitis, headaches, puffiness, abdominal cramping, and even chest and arm pains.  

To end these symptoms, I have to take Deflect, cayenne, and ginger.  That usually helps a lot.
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