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Posted by: Phred, Tuesday, February 27, 2007, 4:49pm
Hey all.

So I've been taking this excellent magnesium formula by Genestra called MagCal+.  It has calcium, magnesium (in the proper ratio), vitamin D and Valerian.  It's a REALLY good supplement.

I have noticed that my body really needs alot of magnesium. I take about 3 of these pills a day and if I go off it for a week.. I notice I'm not as calm and focused and I get very tight muscles.

Why would my body need so much magnesium?  
Posted by: Trixy, Tuesday, February 27, 2007, 7:12pm; Reply: 1
Hi Phred,
I also have a high need for magnesium. My son and I are both taking Natural Calm to help deal with foot and leg cramps during the night.  I noticed there's currently another thread started by a Type O with leg cramps.

Is this a Type O problem? I've had this thought in the back of my mind that maybe the Type O diet is lacking in magnesium or requires additional magnesium for some reason.   ??)
Posted by: 701 (Guest), Tuesday, February 27, 2007, 7:16pm; Reply: 2
Phred,
Part of the calmness you experience could be a result of the Valerian (a nervine).  Have you tried Cal-Mag without Valerian to see if there is a difference?

Ken
Posted by: Phred, Tuesday, February 27, 2007, 8:23pm; Reply: 3
Yes I figured the valerian played a big part in the calmness... no complaints.  But the muscle cramps and tightness ESPECIALLY in my feet and legs has all but dissappeared.  My homeopath was the one that suggested a steady dose of this magnesium formula.  I posted to this group a while ago talking about leg/foot cramps but I didn't know about that stuff back then.
Posted by: Ben_Lamers (Guest), Tuesday, February 27, 2007, 8:28pm; Reply: 4
i also take magnesium sometimes but i do too get cramps when sleeping. very small cramps in fact sometimes dont notice them because they dont bother me.

however back in the day they were PAINFUL. who would have thought it was from poor health. wow.
Posted by: trish44, Tuesday, February 27, 2007, 8:37pm; Reply: 5
I, too, have a greater need it seems.  I keep a bottle of magnesium with malic acid by the bed, and if I forget to take it, invariably, I begin getting cramps within an hour or two of going to bed.  Years ago, many years ago, when I was not eating right, I used to have muscle spasms.  Wry neck was one thing, and back spasms so I could not stand upright for days was another.  Somewhere along the line, I started eating a more varied diet and that went away, but the night cramps got worse, until I figured out what I needed more of.  I wonder too, if it is an O thing.  I notice I sometimes even get them in my hands during the day!  And I eat a lot of food with magnesium.  
Posted by: Phred, Tuesday, February 27, 2007, 8:54pm; Reply: 6
Ya I sometimes find myself CRAVING almonds... another sure fire sign of magnesium deficiency.  I'm wondering if there is some kind of imbalance as well.
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Wednesday, February 28, 2007, 1:37pm; Reply: 7
I need lots of magnesium, too.  I can't sleep without it & if I go longer without, I may get some leg cramps.  I seem to need around 1,000 mg, about the same as calcium.  The RDA is 2 to 1 cal-mag ratio, but I need about the same of each -- & I don't eat dairy!  I wish I had known that it was OK to take so much years ago.  I have lost a lot of sleep & productivity in my life.  [I'm finally going to order a small light box so I can get more sun energy, too.  After so many years, its about time!]
 I'm sure that I have posted before that a doctor that used to be on the radio recommended 2 to 1 mag-cal ratio.  I haven't gone that far, but maybe some of you may just need that!
Sae Salt & Light,
Mrs "T"    O+
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, February 28, 2007, 1:45pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from Mrs_T_O+
II have lost a lot of sleep & productivity in my life.  [I'm finally going to order a small light box so I can get more sun energy, too.  After so many years, its about time!]

Are you going to get a Litebook? It looks like a great product. I have considered getting one.
Posted by: 1206 (Guest), Wednesday, February 28, 2007, 2:08pm; Reply: 9
Can you all please share the brand names of the cal/mag supps that you have found? Thank you.
Posted by: Phred, Wednesday, February 28, 2007, 3:11pm; Reply: 10
MagCal+ by Genestra

http://www.costlessvitamin.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1381&products_id=1532
Posted by: Beckyb, Wednesday, February 28, 2007, 3:17pm; Reply: 11
Count me in on this need for magnesium! I thought maybe I was a rare bird, but apparently not. I seem to have a higher need than normal for magnesium. I take magnesium supps. daily, and many times have to take more at night to alleviate leg cramps. I do best when I take 2 300mg twice daily "Country Life" magnesium caps with silica:Magnesium (as magnesium oxide, aspartate, citrate,alpha-ketoglutarate, taurinate) and Horsetail extract. It's my understanding that the taurinate helps the body to absorb the magnesium without a lot of stomach upset. If someone knows of a better magnesium supplement, I'm all ears.

I also sometimes take Formula 303 in addition. This is a homeopathic supp. consisting of:6 parts Valerian Root (Quad -Strength)1x,3 parts Passiflora (Quad-Strength) 1x, 1 part Magnesium Carbonate 1x.
Posted by: mikeo, Wednesday, February 28, 2007, 8:50pm; Reply: 12
a handful of pumpkin seeds a day is very high in magnesium and beneficial for O's as well

Spinach and swiss chard also high in magnesium as well as beneficial for O's
Posted by: geminisue, Wednesday, February 28, 2007, 9:02pm; Reply: 13
I go with the pumpkin seeds also and spinach!
Posted by: Beckyb, Wednesday, February 28, 2007, 9:17pm; Reply: 14
I do eat pumpkin seeds and spinach every day!!
Posted by: trish44, Thursday, March 1, 2007, 2:34pm; Reply: 15
Last night I had the worst leg cramps ever.  I wouldn't even put them in the category with cramps.  Something major.  I literally called out.  Could barely get the mag. bottle open and took two first, then they came back in an hour, and I took two more.  Then they woke me two hours later.  Each time I had to hobble around until they went away.  Even this morning when I awoke, my left foot and ankle was cramping.  My bottle says three caplets have 460 mgs. of magnesium.  I usually take just two at night.  I think I will start taking two mid day and two at night that should bring it up to 600.  Someone said they need 1000.  I eat a lot of nuts, and usually spinach, tho have not had that for several days.  I did have some dairy yesterday, last night, dessert.  We had company for dinner, and one of the guests brought a cherry cheesecake.  I know, a BIG no, no.  Needless to say, I could not resist.  Could that have been the reason?  Silly question.  I will never do that again!
Posted by: Phred, Thursday, March 1, 2007, 3:16pm; Reply: 16
Ya more often than not.. I've found my muscle cramps/spams/tightening got worse when I ate avoids or something I was allergic too.  From a naturopath I talked about this... APPARENTLY your body uses up alot of magnesium when dealing with a food intolerance/allergy.  I don't know if this would happen when having an avoid but I would also not be very surprised!
Posted by: Trixy, Thursday, March 1, 2007, 6:36pm; Reply: 17
Trish,
I can relate. Those foot/leg cramps wake me right up and it's so painful. The muscles seem to be spasming or something. Walking around doesn't seem to help, either.

Last night after work it started happening while I was walking the dog. I had to head home and take some more magnesium. It took about a half hour before the magnesium calmed down my muscles.

I used to think it was caused from ballroom dancing, until I learned that it's a magnesium deficiency. I eat pumpkin seeds every day and no avoids.

Does anyone have any ideas why we're so deficient in magnesium to cause this?
Posted by: mikeo, Thursday, March 1, 2007, 8:10pm; Reply: 18
swiss chard is great braised in some garlic and olive oil...

Also if you have cravings for chocolate you are deficient in magnesium...fyi...dark chocolate over 70% cocoa and organic is a great source of magnesium and a great detoxifier because of it's high polyphenol properties

magnesium is very important in getting rid of toxins out of your body...it supports phase 1 and phase 2 detoxification so if you need more your body is talking to you..
Posted by: Phred, Thursday, March 1, 2007, 8:20pm; Reply: 19
But doesn't chocolate rob your body of magnesium.... or is that coffee?
Posted by: trish44, Friday, March 2, 2007, 12:50am; Reply: 20
Ok, now I had another thought.....I remembered today that I had not had any wine for about 12 days.  I thought that I would save the 400 or so calories, and perhaps I would lose weight faster...didn't happen.  BUT, last night with our company, I had possibly 4 glasses of wine.  Would that have contributed to the spasms?  I know the cheesecake did, but did the wine make it worse?
Posted by: italybound, Friday, March 2, 2007, 1:27am; Reply: 21
I have to wonder if you all are low on potassium as well. Low potassium will def cause leg cramping FWIU.
Kinda have to wonder if RLS is a deficiency of magnesium and potassium. Hmmmmmmm...........
Posted by: trish44, Friday, March 2, 2007, 3:48pm; Reply: 22
I am going to do some research, it just might be more than magnesium deficiency.  Will let you know if I find anything interesting, please do the same!
Posted by: dawgmama, Friday, March 2, 2007, 5:06pm; Reply: 23
Wine definately give me twitchy, crampy legs, especially if I drink it after supper. If I have a glass as I make supper, I am usually fine, but then I am too sleepy to get anything done! :)  I have since decided to sip tea instead, and drink grape juice.
Posted by: Phred, Friday, March 2, 2007, 5:14pm; Reply: 24
Ahh nothing like getting a little hosed on wine as your preparing dinner!  :)
Posted by: italybound, Friday, March 2, 2007, 5:44pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from Phred
Ahh nothing like getting a little hosed on wine as your preparing dinner!  :)


LOL, have you ever seen the little 'poem' where the gal is preparing a dish and as she drinks more and more, she gets the ingred mixed up. It's pretty funny.

trish44, sometimes if you just type in the symptoms into google, it'll pull things that it could be for you. leave out words like and , but,  for, of, etc. :-)
Posted by: Lisalea, Sunday, March 4, 2007, 1:52am; Reply: 26
Please be careful when taking too much magnesium over a long periods of time.

1) Magnesium can cause serious health problems including nausea, vomiting, severely lowered
blood pressure, slowed heart rate, deficiencies of other minerals, confusion, coma, and even death.
More common side effects from magnesium include upset stomach and diarrhea.

2) Magnesium competes with calcium for absorption and can cause a calcium deficiency if calcium intake levels are already low.

I have to agree with this 'cause I've taken chlorophylle practically on daily basis for quite a few years and my blood pressure
was indeed very low 85/59 some days !!:o
however; it never hit me that it might be the amount of magnesium in the chlorophylle until one day about a couple years ago I just collapsed suddenly one morning and the ambulance had to be called ... a few weeks later when I spoke to a naturopath about it, she told me to stop taking chlorophylle immediately and I did and my blood pressure went back to normal after a while ...
PLEASE be very careful people, since anything over a period of time can become dangerous and even fatal ...
Posted by: Phred, Sunday, March 4, 2007, 2:03am; Reply: 27
Very good point!

Hence why I take a magnesium formula that is perfectly balanced with calcium and vitamin D.  
Posted by: Lisalea, Sunday, March 4, 2007, 2:25am; Reply: 28
Quoted from Phred
Hence why I take a magnesium formula that is perfectly balanced with calcium and vitamin D.  



Excellent; however even at that,  u will need periodic breaks.
;)
Posted by: Phred, Sunday, March 4, 2007, 2:28am; Reply: 29
I can't!  If I do.. my muscles tighten WAY up.... hence the purpose of my starting this thread... I have to find out WHY thats happening and what to do about it.
Posted by: Lisalea, Sunday, March 4, 2007, 3:16am; Reply: 30
Quoted from Phred
I can't!  If I do.. my muscles tighten WAY up.... hence the purpose of my starting this thread... I have to find out WHY thats happening and what to do about it.


I'm truly sorry to hear that ...  and by no means am I an expert; I'm just repeating what a Naturopath told me a couple years ago ...
In the end we're all individual with different needs and I hope this works out for u since it seems to help !!
:)
Posted by: Phred, Sunday, March 4, 2007, 3:23am; Reply: 31
Incidentally.. I went to see my naturopath about this... he was the one that introduced me to the particular formula I'm taking.  When I told him 6 months later that I was still on it and couldn't get off it... he wasn't sure why but told me to just stay on it until I no longer needed it!
Posted by: Lisalea, Sunday, March 4, 2007, 4:07am; Reply: 32
Quoted from Phred
Incidentally.. I went to see my naturopath about this... he was the one that introduced me to the particular formula I'm taking.  When I told him 6 months later that I was still on it and couldn't get off it... he wasn't sure why but told me to just stay on it until I no longer needed it!


Well there u go !!
He's the professional afterall  ;)
I agree though that we should always get to the bottom of things and NOT use supplements or anything else as bandaids ...
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Sunday, March 4, 2007, 4:23am; Reply: 33
I've been following this thread trying to learn something about my situation and finally I learned (by experience) what was happening to me....indigestion and diarrhea for weeks!!!!  See my other thread, "reversing cal and mag" .....
Posted by: Trixy, Sunday, March 4, 2007, 5:14pm; Reply: 34
I've done some research and come up with a couple of things:

When looking up the product that Phred uses (Mag Cal Plus - 90 Tablets - Seroyal / Genestra), the description contains the following information, which I think is important:

"Magnesium enhances calcium absorption, ensures deposition in skeletal tissue and helps to support the nervous system through proper muscle relaxation and nerve conduction. Muscle cramping may be caused by a high level of calcium molecules in the muscle. Magnesium acts in conjunction with other cellular mechanisms to remove excess calcium from muscle and restore it to a more relaxed state."

Maybe we have a high level of calcium in our muscles and not enough magnesium to remove the excess?

Then, we should look into foods that supply these minerals and check our diets.  Dr. Carolyn Dean has a new book on this subject as well as Mark Sircus.

Dr. Dean's book:
http://www.amazon.com/Miracle-Magnesium-Carolyn-Dean/dp/0743240162/sr=1-1/qid=1172763480/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-1852614-2956643?ie=UTF8&s=books

Mark Sircus' book:
http://www.phaelos.com/transdermal.html

Using magesium transdermally does not effect the G.I. tract and is thought to raise DHEA levels, whereas taking it orally does not have this effect. Magnesium oil can be purchased here:  http://www.health-and-wisdom.com/magnesium.htm


Posted by: Phred, Sunday, March 4, 2007, 6:02pm; Reply: 35
Hmmm... so maybe taking a highly absorbably magesium powder for a bit will balance this all out?
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Monday, March 5, 2007, 5:09pm; Reply: 36
and epsom salt baths!!! (magnesium)
Posted by: pat (Guest), Tuesday, March 6, 2007, 3:51pm; Reply: 37
I too get leg cramps and constipation if I don't take a 1:1 ratio of cal: mag. I read somewhere that the need for mag. increases as you get older and someone even suggested a 1:2 ratio, a reversal of the usual 1:2 recommendation. But since cal and mag have a direct counterbalancing relationship (if that's the right term used re. the mineral wheel) , if you increase one you may have to increase the other; otherwise I wonder if one might cause the other to come out of solution? cal can wreck havoc on joints when it comes out of solution; and too much cal can cause leg cramps and constipation I believe. I take a Solaray mag/ pot. supplement.
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