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Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 2:43pm
Quoted from ironwood55

There is only one brand of Ezekiel 4:9 bread because it is a registered name.

However, Food for Life does offer a few different versions of their Ezekiel 4:9 bread, sesame, low sodium, cinnamon raisin and of course the plain. Depending on blood type some of the versions might have avoids for some people. For instance, as a type B the cinnamon and the sesame would be an avoid.



I grew up using cinnamon and it's hard to avoid it; however Im trying  ;)
... question: what spice if any can replace it besides nutmeg ?
TY ;D
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 3:23pm; Reply: 1
how about mace ?
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?237

or nutmeg
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?269
Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 4:08pm; Reply: 2
Quoted from lola


Oh ... I never even thought about mace; I will definately pick some up ...
I use nutmeg quite often instead of cinnamon now; it's great even on sweet potato !!
TY ;D

Another question about spices:

How much is too much ??

I love 'em and cook with them on a daily basis practically ... especially; cayenne and curry ... SO very yummi and really perks up a dish !! ;)
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 4:11pm; Reply: 3
that s entirely for you to decide...
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 5:19pm; Reply: 4
hey,hey,hey and whats about coriandre???) has a pretty  lemony taste and at the same time a bit nutty
very great too.......but sorry here you must look by yourselve into the typebase ;) ;D  its a powder likewise cinnamon :D  I take this also for making bread...very yummi ;D
Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 5:53pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
hey,hey,hey and whats about coriandre???) has a pretty  lemony taste and at the same time a bit nutty
very great too.......but sorry here you must look by yourseve into the typebase ;) ;D  its a powder likewise cinnamon :D  I take this also for making bread...very yummi ;D


Oh yes of course, coriander is also great !!
Thanks ;D

I have 5 different spices that I always mix myself and use it as curry powder for many of my dishes ...
Turmeric, Ginger, Coriander, Cardamom and Cumin  ;D
At times I'll also add some Cayenne and or Paprika !!
So yummy !!  ;)
Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 5:56pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from lola
that s entirely for you to decide...


Actually, I read a while back that too many spices aren't necessarily a good thing ...  that's why I was wondering if using them on a daily basis can be a bit much ??

Just wondering how others r doing with this spice business ?? ;)

If it was up to me I would be spicing everysingle meal  :P
It just adds so much pizzaz to dishes don't u think ?? ;D
Thanks !!
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 6:01pm; Reply: 7
cumin ::= :P not so my prefered ::) ;)

I am using coriandre,cardamom,ginger,sometimes a bit turmeric, clovespowder, and all kinds of dried italian and french herbs ;D

what is exactly mace; is that similar to nutmeg in its taste??)
Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 6:08pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
cumin ::= :P not so my prefered ::) ;)

I am using coriandre,cardamom,ginger,sometimes a bit turmeric, clovespowder, and all kinds of dried italian and french herbs ;D

what is exactly mace; is that similar to nutmeg in its taste??)



I haven't tried it yet; however, Lola suggested it to me and I will pick some up this week !!
;)

Incase u want to take a look:

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?237

;D
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 6:26pm; Reply: 9
ha-ha-haaa ::) it is muscat-flower :o :o ::) ....and yesssss dear I saw it in the typebase but even the french word ??) so :o eehin??)




nutmegflower  :D
Posted by: Alia Vo, Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 9:32pm; Reply: 10
Perhaps sweet spices such as allspice, cardamon pods, cloves, fresh ginger root...

Alia

Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 9:38pm; Reply: 11
I do the 'spicing every single meal ', too!! lol

I prefer that to supplementing any day!

no adverse effects so far....
Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 9:50pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from lola
I do the 'spicing every single meal ', too!! lol

I prefer that to supplementing any day!

no adverse effects so far....




That's awesome Lola ;D
I bet u have many many delicious recepes !!
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 10:22pm; Reply: 13
I just add all my herbs and spices to a shaker and sprinkle over anything I feel like.......
Posted by: Brighid45, Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 11:05pm; Reply: 14
I use allspice in place of cinnamon quite often and it works pretty well. :)
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 11:36pm; Reply: 15
I use allspice too in place of cinnamon when I make cinnamony things for my dear B.
Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 11:47pm; Reply: 16
I also love allspice; as well as cinnamon ... however;
they r BOTH avoids for me !!!!!!!!
:( :'( ::) :-/
Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 11:48pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from lola
I just add all my herbs and spices to a shaker and sprinkle over anything I feel like.......


Really  :o
U mean u just add all ur spices in ONE ??
Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 1:37am; Reply: 18
ACK!  Oops, didn't realize allspice was avoid for B.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 3:51am; Reply: 19
right.....that s what I do with my beneficial herbs.
Posted by: Schluggell, Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 1:18pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
...what is exactly mace; is that similar to nutmeg in its taste??)

Quoted from Tomatilla I.
...nutmegflower


Nutmeg, Muskatnuss, Muscadier, Nuez Muscada {Myristica sp. - Myristicaceae}
Mace - Not really sure what Mace is in other languages.

Mace is  similar to Nutmeg in flavour, but not as pungent and the colour in cooking is not as dark.
Its the fuzz {Arillus} from the 'husk' of the Nutmeg Seed.

The fruit of the Nutmeg is used for jams - Have no reference to the Flower however.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 2:28pm; Reply: 21
thax dearle :K) for the explications about nutmeg and mace...seems to be out of the same family...I guess ::)


could you please tell me what is exactly : allspice??)  :B
Posted by: 1415 (Guest), Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 2:32pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from LISALEA
I also love allspice; as well as cinnamon ... however;
they r BOTH avoids for me !!!!!!!!
:( :'( ::) :-/



Yes allspice is a mix of 4 spices, and Cinnamon (or rather Cassia bark witch is used in China, where allspice originates from) is one of them.
  Many premade curries contain some cinnamon as well. So make up you own curry powder, if you wants to avoid this spice al together. It tastes better and stronger anyway, if you roast and grind your own ingredients.


Lasse
Posted by: 1415 (Guest), Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 3:04pm; Reply: 23
By the way. You shouldn't be so uptight about them spices. As long as you don't eat them every day, but just once every one og two weeks, it would not harm you (that's how I read and understands the bloodtype diet). You are just adviced not to eat them every day or as part of your daily menu. Remember, Avoids is not mere poisons. They behave rather badly in your organism thats right, and if they are used extensively they could - perhaps - build up chronic diseases or damages over many many years. But they are NOT downright poisons like Arsenic, Cadmium, lead, pesticides or Quicksilver for example to name some my mind could conjure on the spot.



Lasse
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 3:35pm; Reply: 24
Cinnamon is only a Tier 2 avoid for type B secretors.

Therefore, if you are in good health, at proper weight, not as concerned about your health, and are not Rh-, MM, or a non-secretor, then cinnamon could be considered neutral. Otherwise, it is recommended to avoid it.
Posted by: Lisalea, Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 3:40pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from Lasse
By the way. You shouldn't be so uptight about them spices. As long as you don't eat them every day, but just once every one og two weeks, it would not harm you (that's how I read and understands the bloodtype diet). You are just adviced not to eat them every day or as part of your daily menu. Remember, Avoids is not mere poisons. They behave rather badly in your organism thats right, and if they are used extensively they could - perhaps - build up chronic diseases or damages over many many years. But they are NOT downright poisons like Arsenic, Cadmium, lead, pesticides or Quicksilver for example to name some my mind could conjure on the spot.



Lasse



I tend to agree with u  ;)
Posted by: Lisalea, Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 3:43pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from ironwood55
Cinnamon is only a Tier 2 avoid for type B secretors.

Therefore, if you are in good health, at proper weight, not as concerned about your health, and are not Rh-, A2, MM, or a non-secretor, then cinnamon could be considered neutral. Otherwise, it is recommended to avoid it.


Thanks so much MoDon  ;D
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 3:48pm; Reply: 27
what does A2 have to do with type B?

cinnamon is neutral for As.
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 4:19pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from lola
what does A2 have to do with type B?

cinnamon is neutral for As.

Nothing, Lisalea quoted me before I corrected my cut and paste A2 inclusion error in my post.

Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 4:21pm; Reply: 29
ahh ok.....
thanks Don!
Posted by: 1415 (Guest), Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 5:21pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from Schluggell



Nutmeg, Muskatnuss, Muscadier, Nuez Muscada {Myristica sp. - Myristicaceae}
Mace - Not really sure what Mace is in other languages.




Mace is "Muskatblomme" in Danish  ;D How about that ??
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 5:30pm; Reply: 31
Lola, I am curious about your usual spice mix...I'm not being lazy...I have my "Live Right " right here..., but for O's the spices that are bennies are few...like tier 2 ....parsley and turmeric. curry is mentioned but if curry powder is meant, it contains many things, cinnamon, and whatever...so I didn't include it....What do you use?

mmm, I have wasabi powder....?
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 8:42pm; Reply: 32
check the book erfyt page 72 and 73.....
choose whichever make you happy....I did add neutrals, too...
over 29 of them.....
no cocoa or carob, though.....check it out.
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 9:32pm; Reply: 33
thanks. I'm getting inspired.
Posted by: 1415 (Guest), Thursday, February 22, 2007, 1:46am; Reply: 34
Quoted from Lasse

Yes allspice is a mix of 4 spices, and Cinnamon (or rather Cassia bark witch is used in China, where allspice originates from) is one of them.
  ...


Oh! I'm so embarrassed. I confused allspice with five-spice powder. Doh! :( Well, you should know by reading my comment.
  I must try not to be so clever, when I am communicating in english! I am just a pesky Springtime-freako according to my ranking here, so I can be as stupid as I want to :D Hehe, at least  I learned something new myself.
 


:P
Lasse is my name
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, February 22, 2007, 1:50am; Reply: 35
no biggie!
Posted by: 1415 (Guest), Thursday, February 22, 2007, 1:53am; Reply: 36
Five-spice powder:

So now I have checked and the recipe calls for Cassia (poor mans cinnamon), star anise, clove and fennelseeds. Then you can add sizhuanpepper as the fifth spice or a combination of ground ginger and cardamom.

I don't like it. Its rather "licorice-ish" in taste and that's not my favourite flavour.




Bye for now...
Lasse
Posted by: Lisalea, Thursday, February 22, 2007, 2:16am; Reply: 37
Quoted from Lasse
Five-spice powder:

So now I have checked and the recipe calls for Cassia (poor mans cinnamon), star anise, clove and fennelseeds. Then you can add sizhuanpepper as the fifth spice or a combination of ground ginger and cardamom.

I don't like it. Its rather "licorice-ish" in taste and that's not my favourite flavour.




Bye for now...
Lasse




Licorice is supposed to be good for B's !!

I think I will try it, however; I'm NOT sure about fennel and star anise ??
I just checked in Typebase ... and it's NOT on the list ...   :'(

Cloves r neutral for me and ginger and cardamom ;
I use them all the time anyways !!


Thanks for sharing that Five-spice powder  ;)
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, February 22, 2007, 5:37am; Reply: 38
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?162

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?29

both are there and are fine
Posted by: Schluggell, Thursday, February 22, 2007, 2:00pm; Reply: 39
Allspice {Pimenta dioica - Myrtaceae}
Star Anise {Illicium verum - Illiaceae}
Szechuan Pepper, Prickly Ash {Zanthoxylum piperitum - Rutaceae}
Cassia, Cinnamon (US), Indonesian Cinnamon (UK) {Cinnamomum aromaticum or C. cassia - Lauraceae}
True Cinnamon, Ceylon Cinnamon {Cinnamomum verum or C. Zeylanicum- Lauraceae}

Allspice is the dried unripe fruit of the 'Myrtle Pepper Tree'.


Star Anise is unrelated to Anise the flavouring, thou a wonderful seasoning. Confusingly there are native plants in US and Mexico in the same genus known as Anise.


Cassia is the same as US Cinnamon.
Real Cinnamon has a mucher richer flavour. Cassia Leaves are used in Tamil and Bangladeshi cuisine to wrap sweet pastry fillings {akin to the asian use of wrapping rice balls with Palm leaves - as it allows the contents to stay fresher longer}.


Szechuan Pepper is the fruits/seeds of one type of Prickly Ash Shrub/Tree and has a citrussy spicy zing, a cousin to the variety used for the Japanese 'Sanshou'. However, Sanshou is the leaves which 'leaves' a strictly citrusy aftertaste in the mouth.
Posted by: Lisalea, Thursday, February 22, 2007, 2:36pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from lola




Oh my thanks so much !! ;D

I didn't see them under spices yesterday !!!
I see that Fennel/Bulb is under vegetables though ... hmmmm
Posted by: 1415 (Guest), Thursday, February 22, 2007, 9:00pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from LISALEA




Licorice is supposed to be good for B's !!

I think I will try it, however; I'm NOT sure about fennel and star anise ??
I just checked in Typebase ... and it's NOT on the list ...   :'(

Cloves r neutral for me and ginger and cardamom ;
I use them all the time anyways !!


Thanks for sharing that Five-spice powder  ;)



If you want to do it the traditional way Lisa, you should use it in chinese recipes. Not everyone you could think of, but specific recipes calls for Five-Spice.

It has been several years since I did any chinese cooking, but I was into it for a certain period, but then my attention went elsewhere. A really really really good, informative, easy-to-use and straight forward book is written by a certain miss Yan-kit So ("Yan-kit's Classic Chinese Cookbook"). Chinese cooking is in fact (or can be) quite easy, once you get the hang of it. And if your Diet calls for vegetables it is a teasure trove of unresistable recipes.
  There are also a heap of snack-like dishes, that can be made in an instant, and eaten troughout the day if one wants, because traditional chinese meals consists of many different small dishes surrounding a few stables. Oh, now stop me please someone.... I could write a book about this, and I haven't even mentioned the soups yet!  :)


Lasse, "Gastronaut" from...
Denmark in Scandinavia
Posted by: 353 (Guest), Thursday, February 22, 2007, 9:19pm; Reply: 42

Isn't carob ok for O and even beneficial ?

Sorry I'm new on the Forum and I try to learn reading everythink :)

Daniela
Posted by: Lisalea, Thursday, February 22, 2007, 9:37pm; Reply: 43
Quoted from Lasse



If you want to do it the traditional way Lisa, you should use it in chinese recipes. Not everyone you could think of, but specific recipes calls for Five-Spice.

It has been several years since I did any chinese cooking, but I was into it for a certain period, but then my attention went elsewhere. A really really really good, informative, easy-to-use and straight forward book is written by a certain miss Yan-kit So ("Yan-kit's Classic Chinese Cookbook"). Chinese cooking is in fact (or can be) quite easy, once you get the hang of it. And if your Diet calls for vegetables it is a teasure trove of unresistable recipes.
  There are also a heap of snack-like dishes, that can be made in an instant, and eaten troughout the day if one wants, because traditional chinese meals consists of many different small dishes surrounding a few stables. Oh, now stop me please someone.... I could write a book about this, and I haven't even mentioned the soups yet!  :)


Lasse, "Gastronaut" from...
Denmark in Scandinavia


Hi Lasse and thank-u so much for sharing that !!

I'm really interested in using the Five-Spice  and YES I do eat alot of vegetables !! ;) ;D
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, February 22, 2007, 9:46pm; Reply: 44
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?484
yes Daniela
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Thursday, February 22, 2007, 11:58pm; Reply: 45
I love this thread! So interesting.
OK. Lola.....! I took the challenge! Made my own spice mix to go on everything! It is....
welllll, less than yummy.....but I will tweak it as I use it  and eventually wll have a great mix! (You know turmeric is really strong in large doses!!!!)
Posted by: Lola, Friday, February 23, 2007, 12:01am; Reply: 46
and adds a distinctive color to everything!!
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, February 23, 2007, 2:57am; Reply: 47
Huh?  I guess I need to read up on what Tier 1 and Tier 2 are.  Where do I find a list of the differences b/t the two?  My family just might fit into Tier 2, not being overweight and in good health (though I'm a nonnie---why does that make a difference?  Because we're more sensitive to lectins?)

Lasse, my understanding based on the label on my allspice container is that allspice is a different spice altogether, it's just that it happens to have the FLAVOR of several spices mixed, hence its name.  
Posted by: Don, Friday, February 23, 2007, 3:17am; Reply: 48
LR4YT is the only book that has Tier food list information.

The Tier information doesn't apply to non-secretors. Non-secretors just use all food values as indicated.
Posted by: 1415 (Guest), Friday, February 23, 2007, 11:01am; Reply: 49
Hey!

Yes Ribbit. Schluggell metioned it in his post up there ^^ somewhere. Dried Myrtle pepper fruit or something. My guess would be the same as yours, that the "all" refers to the taste of all (or many other) spices. Are we right Herr Schluggell? :)




Lasse
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