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Posted by: Hopeful (Guest), Friday, February 16, 2007, 4:20pm
Some of you may remember I had done an Aliza blood allergy test about 2 weeks ago now...I am severly allergic to wheat, gluten, all dairy, eggs,pinapple and pinto beans. Severly being in the range of 390 and my results for some of these came back in the thousands. I also have 22 moderate things that I can only eat every 4 days. My confusion is that with the exeption of wheat and gluten almost all my allergies are to my beneficials! And a whole list of things I showed no reaction to are avoids .( coffee, beef, chicken, tea, corn ect..) I did an experiment for the last 2 weeks and haven't touched any of my severe allergins and ate freely from my allowed and I'm shocked I've lost almost 11 pounds, my face is so clear and I for the first time in my life am not conjested,
Now how can this be?? Could I be some weird mutant AB . I am really confused here.
Posted by: Dr. D, Friday, February 16, 2007, 4:36pm; Reply: 1
With those types of numbers it would be more likely that you have wide ranging generalized immune hypersensitivities rather than a series of any punctuated reactions.  You  may want to try using something like quercetin for while to help knock down your basophil activity. Also, it is not usually wise to confuse allegens with intolerances. Most avoids in the BTD don't generate antibodies, and most antibodies to foods are really made to other things, such as microflora in the gut or whatever.
Posted by: Hopeful (Guest), Friday, February 16, 2007, 5:01pm; Reply: 2
I have not eaten any chicken, beef or corn and don't plan to. Thanks Dr.D for your input. This is really a struggle for me losing eggs and dairy. :'(
Posted by: Kristin, Friday, February 16, 2007, 11:13pm; Reply: 3
My personal experience with the Aliza blood allergy test is what led me to the BTD in the first place. I didn't have any really high numbers to any food, so rather than focusing on eliminating foods, I decided to emphasize the low-score foods, and reduce the higher score ones. The one that I scored the lowest on was corn... a score of 2... so I increased my intake of corn, most in the form of corn pasta. The first thing that happened was I noticed blood sugar swings within a couple weeks. I began taking protein powder which helped for a short time. Then I began having blood sugar crashes, followed by extreme fatigue. I knew something was terribly wrong... but didn't know what it was. That is when I read ER4YT and made the connection to my increased intake corn being the cause of my distress.

So... I don't have much faith in the Aliza blood allergy tests from my personal experience. I felt so much worse by following their recommendations.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Saturday, February 17, 2007, 6:25am; Reply: 4
yuppers ;D what I observed in my praxis is, that a lot of people are concerned with foodintolerances;
but mostly because of.......as Peter described it, but after a while of letting go of those tested stuffs, they might try to reintroduce the stuffs in their diets, and all is ok ;)
Posted by: Laura P, Saturday, February 17, 2007, 5:30pm; Reply: 5
Hopeful, let me ask you, did you eat alot of the foods that you showed up as allergic to, did you eat the foods that came up moderated.  I agree that you are just reacting to everything, most likely the aliza came up with your benificals since that is what you tended to eat the most, by not eating those and varying your diet, you of course would feel better.  If your immune system is severely depressed anything you eat alot of will become an avoid
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, February 17, 2007, 8:25pm; Reply: 6
I encourage you to take Dr. D.'s advice on taking Quercetin for a while.  :-)

p.s. Are you positive of your bloodtype?
Posted by: Hopeful (Guest), Sunday, February 18, 2007, 2:43am; Reply: 7
I feel like a different human being now that I have eliminated wheat, gluten,all dairy and eggs. I can't explain it, my husband says I look 10 years younger. I'm 37. I did start taking the quercetin, just don't know how much to take so if someone could jump in to tell me that would be great.I'm also taking 3 chewable moducare tablets a day to boost my immune system. And lastly I've donated so much plasma and platlets because of being AB, that my bloodtype is not in question.
One strange thing that is happening to me is this weird aching pains down my arms and legs.It's one of the feeling I got before I was diagnosed hypothyroid 8 years ago. I'm wondering if my thyroid is out of wack, I'll have to test it again this week.
Posted by: Don, Sunday, February 18, 2007, 2:48am; Reply: 8
Quoted from Hopeful
I did start taking the quercetin, just don't know how much to take so if someone could jump in to tell me that would be great.

The Allergy book recommends 500mg quercetin twice a day away from meals for type AB for inflammatory/allergy relief.

Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, February 18, 2007, 3:06am; Reply: 9
Quercetin is more effective if taken with bromelain, because the Q doesn't absorb very well otherwise.  Check out the Quercetin Plus from NAP as an example:  CLICK
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, February 18, 2007, 3:32am; Reply: 10
I get some tingling and aches in my arms and legs as well...  Since mine is usually late in the day, I was assuming that it was a heavy toxin load at the end of the day, and that I needed to rest to allow the filtering / digestion to process it out...  Don't know how much merit that has.
Posted by: Hopeful (Guest), Sunday, February 18, 2007, 4:33am; Reply: 11
Quoted from ABJoe
I get some tingling and aches in my arms and legs as well...  Since mine is usually late in the day, I was assuming that it was a heavy toxin load at the end of the day, and that I needed to rest to allow the filtering / digestion to process it out...  Don't know how much merit that has.


Well I thought I had MS or something 8 years ago, really scared me and then when I started on natural bovine thyroid the aches and tingling went away until about 3 weeks ago. Now it's also in my legs.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, February 18, 2007, 9:18am; Reply: 12
might be you've a B12 and iron deficiency, dito magnesium and potassium??)
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, February 18, 2007, 3:27pm; Reply: 13
Hopeful, are you still taking your thyroid supplement?
Along the same lines as Laura P's questions, but more specific, did you eat all of the foods for which you were tested within 2 wks of your testing? FWIU, you have to consume all the foods for which you will be tested for it to show a 'true reaction'. I've often thought of having that test done, but not a lot of positive feedback about it here. I know a guy who had the Leap (I think) test done. Hearing the foods it eliminates and ok's makes me think he's an A, but he won't tell. Too afraid of BTD 'recommendations' I guess LOL    But the funny thing is, not long after he had this test done, his dr stopped using it. Hmmmmmmmmmm  ;)
Posted by: Hopeful (Guest), Monday, February 19, 2007, 1:18am; Reply: 14
Thank-you Isa for the question about iron deficiency. A few months ago my iron level were very low and I just ran to my cupboard to take 4 capsules of iron, hope it helps.

ITALYBOUND,
I ate some wheat but not a whole lot. I ate tons of Turkey,Salmon, Almonds,Oats, greens,sweet potato,yams, apples..and some more but these all came back almost zero for antibodies. I also ate eggs, lots of yogart, mozzarella and farmers cheese and all my egg and dairy antibodies are THROUGH THE ROOF. Two other things that were unbelievably high were pineapple ( which I never eat because I get instant coldsores) and ginger.
It has been I think 16 days since I've gone off the super high things( wheat, gluten,all dairy and all eggs) and I have lost 14.5 pounds as of this morning. I look totally different. Someone at church asked me if I had some botox ( wasn't sure if I should be offended or thankful!!)
My feeling is that although bloodtype foods can be beneficial there are still underlining food that some of us cannot eat, and perhaps some of us with medical problems or excess weight can be helped with tests like aliza. I gave 12 months to the bloodtype diet exclusively 80% beneficials and I felt horrible and looked horrible and it was very hard reading everyones success on the boards. I felt like a failure. But it was that increase in dairy and eggs and thinking that wheat was a neutral for me that was causing my weight gain.
I still am eating for my blood-type but now have fine tuned it and I haven't felt this good..ever as long as I can remember.And yes I still am taking 1 1/2 125mg tablets of bovine thyroid everday but my hope is that maybe my body will start to heal and I can decrease it slowly

Posted by: italybound, Monday, February 19, 2007, 1:27am; Reply: 15
Quoted from Hopeful
ITALYBOUND,IIt has been I think 16 days since I've gone off the super high things( wheat, gluten,all dairy and all eggs) and I have lost 14.5 pounds as of this morning. I look totally different.


That is incredible, congratulations!!!

Quoted from Hopeful
My feeling is that although bloodtype foods can be beneficial there are still underlying food that some of us cannot eat, and perhaps some of us with medical problems or excess weight can be helped with tests like aliza. I gave 12 months to the bloodtype diet exclusively 80% beneficials and I felt horrible and looked horrible and it was very hard reading everyones success on the boards. I felt like a failure. But it was that increase in dairy and eggs and thinking that wheat was a neutral for me that was causing my weight gain.
I still am eating for my blood-type but now have fine tuned it and I haven't felt this good..ever as long as I can remember.And yes I still am taking 1 1/2 125mg tablets of bovine thyroid everday but my hope is that maybe my body will start to heal and I can decrease it slowly


You are correct in that even tho some things *should* be beneficial or neutral for us, they are not. Blogger Cassandra is an O, but cannot eat beef. *This* is the reason we say so often, it's about individuality. Now that you have more info (Aliza test results), you'll be able to fine tune your diet even more. If you are going to add a food or add a food back in, please do it one food at a time, for a week. See how you do w/ it. If not good, cross it off your list of foods to eat. If ok, move on to the next one. But do it one food at time and for a week. Hope that will help you. It sounds like you're on the right track and I'm so glad for you that you gave BTD another shot. You'll not regret it. :-)
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, February 19, 2007, 7:49am; Reply: 16
:o :o :o hopeful I am that sorry, but that might take even loooonger time to get that settled :D :-/ but true  I've had some two years to come up from 9 to 18 right now ::)
Posted by: Hopeful (Guest), Sunday, February 25, 2007, 5:29pm; Reply: 17
Down 20.5 pounds as of this morning. I can't tell you how different I feel. One thing that really has changed is my feelings of anger and rage. GONE.I am now eating an AB secrector diet with No dairy, No eggs, no wheat, no gluten, no pinapple, no navy beans,no ginger, no turmeric. Soy is also a trigger for me and now only eat it every four days.Rice,oats, turkey and salmon are my staples.
Scott has posted on the board and I am shocked to see how much alike our Aliza tests were and the success he has had also.I've created a happy balance of ERFYT and my food allergies.
Posted by: Rodney, Sunday, February 25, 2007, 6:11pm; Reply: 18
Hopeful our food allergens are a lot the same and after cutting them such good results are also the same.
One thing that concerns me is: are you loosing weight to fast?
Can't that be harmful to a body as well?
Take care :)
Posted by: Hopeful (Guest), Sunday, February 25, 2007, 7:02pm; Reply: 19
Hey Rodney,
I was 65 pounds overweight ( now 45 pounds) a lot of my weight is water retention. I had a body analysis done 4 months ago and it tested fat, lean muscle and water and I had 30+ pounds of exess water.Even the doctor that did it was amazed how much water I was retaining.( even though I was taking 6 dandelion capsules a day) My body was trying to flush the toxins out.
Posted by: Rodney, Sunday, February 25, 2007, 7:14pm; Reply: 20
That so good to hear that you are under Dr.s care, you are doing great and isn't it fun to know that your doing the right thing? Yes
Rodney
Posted by: colorfulveggies, Sunday, March 18, 2007, 3:16am; Reply: 21
Quoted from ABJoe
I get some tingling and aches in my arms and legs as well...  Since mine is usually late in the day, I was assuming that it was a heavy toxin load at the end of the day, and that I needed to rest to allow the filtering / digestion to process it out...  Don't know how much merit that has.


I have experience with achy, tingling arms and hands.  A couple of months after cutting out all wheat, I started having aches and pains again.  As I eliminated more things with gluten, I became more sensitive, almost as if my body was saying: "Oh, now you want me to let know if I there is anything else I don't like?"  Or maybe it was like a transistor radio playing in the stadium at a big game.  No one will hear it unless the crowd is quiet.  If I eat any gluten, that means if I lick a postage stamp with glue made from gluten, I will get those aching pains starting in my arms, and then my hands get all "buzzy" (like holding a razor, only achy too)...  It goes downhill from there.

But I have a secret weapon now.  It's called GlutenEase by Enzymedica.  It's only for accidental gluten exposure, not as a cure.  It introduces enzymes that will break down the proteins that are causing problems.  I have proved its effectiveness several times.  If I don't take it, it will be 24 hours before my symptoms are gone.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, March 18, 2007, 3:20am; Reply: 22
take deflect instead...................
http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/store3/template2/deflect.htm
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, March 18, 2007, 6:09pm; Reply: 23
I like Both deflect and the enzymedica enzymes!  :-)  :-)
Posted by: OSuzanna, Sunday, March 18, 2007, 7:18pm; Reply: 24
Hey, Hopeful! Sign up already, you're more a member than a guest now, and you even know your blood type! Get a shield! (Oh, dear, was that too "O" of me? Too rambunctious?) :B
;D
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, March 18, 2007, 8:56pm; Reply: 25
OOOOO'Suzelannchen you can't be enoughly being like that ::) ;) it's helpful sometimes (smarty)(clap)(dance)(smarty)(sunny)(whistle)
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, March 19, 2007, 3:29am; Reply: 26
Oh, goody, goody!  Some ABs posting about arms and legs!  My daughter complains about the backs of her knees and down her calf muscles and her ankles aching.  She's always asking me to rub her legs.  Now, besides myself as a child, I don't know any other 4 year olds who have aching legs.  Is this an AB thing?  We took her off gluten and peanuts and it seems to be MAYBE very gradually getting better.

Is Aliza the same thing as the ELISA (pronounced Aliza) blood test?  We had it done for her a year and a half ago and she tested extremely allergic to soy, honey, almonds, and lentils (which, to my knowledge, she'd never even ingested---shows how much of my lentils went through the breastmilk).  Nothing showed up for eggs or corn even though we know she's very allergic to them both.  We had already figured out soy, but wouldn't have thought about honey of all things.  (And to learn that it's an avoid for AB nonnies....)

This is a very interesting thread to me.  Please keep posting on AB issues.  We want to figure out what's wrong here.  We did put her on the non-secreter diet to see if that would help any and it has helped with the red eye circles--gone now.
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, March 19, 2007, 4:14am; Reply: 27
Hopeful, another thing I just thought of....I used to take a thyroid supplement that was made from freeze-dried sheep thyroid.  I was able to quit taking it after I began the BTD, but needed to start again when I got pregnant.  I'm now taking a simple L-tyrosine supplement.  If you, as an AB, are taking a bovine-derived thyroid supplement, it may be causing some issues since you're supposed to avoid beef.  Have you considered switching to something that's bovine-free?  Just a thought.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, March 19, 2007, 11:11am; Reply: 28
yesss dear Ribbit, it smells that you daughter might be a *royal* as well ;D :D I know that, honey does really ::) me intensely and I feel just :P after a little teaspoon....yikes :-/ but tha's not the same feeling when I get sometimes some sugar in my body ;) like white chocs ::) ;D.....perhaps that is a real trigger to me, and just the trigger is the ::)-one
A & E lisa(z) are the same, I guess, only written in another form ;D but ya know I get some stomachcramps right now here on this thema, it shows fragmentally up, that here *has been* or *was*
a contact with that stuff mentioned, and  it popps always up *after...reaction* ...not at the oposite side...ok....here pay attention there might pop up something....depends of course of the masse exponed
but that's why I just do love my Vegatester...it shows up in percentages, here...ok migh pass threw with 50/50% but then...under 50 % there are reactions...... but in advance...and not after it has happened!!!
I think LR4YT is in your case more than valuable ;) ;D .....to evite any kind of corns might be lifesaving
once upon the time, because the child is mostly created from 0 ti its 7th life...so up from this time mostly all reaction will be determined. But please have an eye onto the differences between a severe foodallergy and foodintolerances, mostly there are creations of foodintolerances....and this goes for a certain time, when letting go for a certain time with no intake of such foods, and after a while (mostly about 12 months) might be that all can be ok....so far :-/

p.s.
yeppers...that's also familiar to me, so called growthpains :-/ I've had em too ::)
I think you should go for better ca-& mg intake but on aspartate basics, nothing else
no dolomite but citrate might be ok as well ;) :D we are that dificile when being kids ;) ;D....and omG what have I been a thinny girlie :P......and now' I'd becamet the Zürichbomber ;D :D
Posted by: Isannah, Monday, March 19, 2007, 12:13pm; Reply: 29
I also remember terrible pains in my leg's as a child,from about the time I was 4 to 8 year's old.I was the only AB in our family my sibling's never complained of this problem.
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, March 20, 2007, 1:38am; Reply: 30
Isa, we wanted to get her Vegatested, but when we looked into it at the place I was tested in North Carolina about 10 years ago, they're prices had soared to $400.  That just doesn't fit into our budget right now.  So I asked for advice at my local HFS and they refered me to a lady who does muscle testing and she's really reasonably priced.  I figure we have nothing to lose if we go for a couple of visits with her and see if she can peg something specific.

You think it's just growing pains?  Hm.  She always asks for sips of Emergen-C, which is a powdered mineral drink--lots of calcium and magnesium.  I'll keep giving it to her.

I certainly had severe pain all over when I was little up until I quit wheat, dairy and corn, thanks to the VegaTest showing an allergy to them.  Things got better then but didn't completely go away till I started the BTD.  So it's not just an AB thing, but it is interesting to me how many of you are reporting feeling that way.
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