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Posted by: snorth100 (Guest), Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 6:35pm
Hello there, fellow Nonnies:

I was a BTD devotee a few years ago and fell off the wagon.  But, after gaining back the weight I lost and slipping back into lots of bad eating habits, I am now back with a vengance.  

The availability of this forum is wonderful -- back when I was first involved all we had was Heidi's On the Diet column.  It's good to have peer support!

A few random questions:
1.  As you can see, I'm an O Nonnie.  How would one "count" rice protein?  Is it considered a grain or something else?  I try to avoid grains completely, but I do like to include some protein in a smoothie, particularly if it's breakfast.  How about rice milk?

2.  What's up with the bows on people's profiles?  Different colors, seasons...
3.  I travel ALOT (like 3 days a week).  Any suggestions for staying compliant while eating 3 meals a day in restaurants...  What kind of snacks would you carry (keeping in mind I don't always have access to a fridge in a hotel room)?

I'm sure I'll have more questions as I move forward.  The biggest (and best) change that I've seen so far is that red wine is now a bennie for O nonnies -- there truly is a God!  I drink a glass every night with dinner and it's wonderful that it's considered good for me by BTD.  I saw the thread yesterday about how much is too much -- personally, I don't think a glass a day is too much and neither do my MDs.  I guess if you can't control how much you drink and limit it, then that's a problem  ;D

Thanks for your help,
Sue
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 6:49pm; Reply: 1
Quoted from snorth100
Hello there, fellow Nonnies:

I was a BTD devotee a few years ago and fell off the wagon.  But, after gaining back the weight I lost and slipping back into lots of bad eating habits, I am now back with a vengance.

WELCOME, and currently I'm not doing well at all with my diet, so I can totally relate to falling off the wagon.  I'm proud of you and admire you for getting back to the BTD and I'm rooting for your success.  I find that the BTD works for me if I do one thing:  follow it!  That does seem to be its only requirement, dang it.  But, God love it, it does work when I do faithfully adhere to it.  Why I don't simply do that all the time is a great mystery to me, but thar ya go.  I'm proud of you for getting back to it and wish you the best in your BTD journey!
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2.  What's up with the bows on people's profiles?  Different colors, seasons...

This would be the belt system, based on Dr. D.'s love of martial arts, and indicating seniority on the board, etc.  You can read all about it in the reference section forum, here:  http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=ref,m=1097503925.
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3.  I travel ALOT (like 3 days a week).  Any suggestions for staying compliant while eating 3 meals a day in restaurants...  What kind of snacks would you carry (keeping in mind I don't always have access to a fridge in a hotel room)?

I would carry some Eden Organic Pumpkin Seeds and some NAP Unibars (protein bars).  When you eat out, try to order things like the chicken caesar salad with no croutons, and if you can get it with beef instead of chicken, so much the better.  These days, with "low carb" diets being so trendy, it is fairly easy to ask for things like a burger with no bun, and a salad with no croutons, in a restaurant without anyone batting an eye.  Avoiding hidden corn syrup and wheat is the real challenge.  Try to stick to O basics in restaurants, like the burger and the salad.  Sometimes you can get sweet potato instead of a baked potato.  And the big thing I've found is, do NOT be afraid to ASK if you can substitute one thing for another, like, at the Outback, say:  "Can I have broccoli florets instead of the Aussie Chips/fries?"  YES!  Things like that.

Glad to have you back and, you are right, the message board provides precious support and camaraderie, 24/7.  So stick around!
Posted by: Alia Vo, Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 7:14pm; Reply: 2
Quoted from snorth100


1.  As you can see, I'm an O Nonnie.  How would one "count" rice protein?  Is it considered a grain or something else?  I try to avoid grains completely, but I do like to include some protein in a smoothie, particularly if it's breakfast.  How about rice milk?


Welcome back to this lifestyle and to this forum, snorth100.

Rice protein would be considered a grain, because it is sourced from rice.  This would hold true for rice, as well.

These food items can be categorized under the Grain and Starch Portion/Frequency Guidelines.

Alia

Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 7:20pm; Reply: 3
are you aware of the health series books yet?

http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/BTstore/productmap2.htm

scroll all the way down....there are eight of them......the food lists in those are even more targeted, and eye opening!
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 7:23pm; Reply: 4
Quoted from Alia_Vo
Rice protein would be considered a grain, because it is sourced from rice.  This would hold true for rice, as well.

These food items can be categorized under the Grain and Starch Portion/Frequency Guidelines.

I wouldn't be so quick to totally judge rice protein as purely a grain. The category is grain/starch and rice protein by definition would be low/no starch. Therefore, I think you can somewhat separate rice protein from the frequency recommendations of that category.

Now don't ask me how to "count" it, but I would think that using some every day would be OK since it is in the NAP Protein Blend O product.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 7:27pm; Reply: 5
wooohooo another *royal* ;) ;D snorth...welcome on board, fine to have ya back (dance)(smarty)(sunny)(sunny)
Posted by: snorth100 (Guest), Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 7:36pm; Reply: 6
Thanks for the link, Lola.

Do you guys use the protein powder and/or unibars offered by NAP?  Are they nonnie compliant?

Thx!
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 7:44pm; Reply: 7
Yes, the NAP protein powder and the protein bars (Unibars) are nonnie compliant.  Personally, I prefer the bars in terms of ingredients for nonnies, but both are compliant.  The bars are great, very filling and long-lasting in terms of keeping you from getting hungry.  The agave syrup is the best sweetener for nons, as it doesn't result in blood sugar spikes/crashes.  Both flavs are great.
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 7:56pm; Reply: 8
My biggest suggestion is Don't let yourself get hungry by skimping on food.  BTD weight control is not about eating like a bird.  Eat lots of beneficial vegetables and fruits, de-emphasize neutrals and really cut the grains down, if not all the way out.  Eat plenty of meat and fish, and enough volume of vegetables that you don't feel deprived.  Eat olive oil and ghee daily and in moderate amounts.

I don't think snacking all day is a good idea because it keeps your digestive juices flowing all the time and can irritate your stomach, not to mention, give you a feeling of always being hungry.  Give your stomach a little time to rest between meals.  

And, welcome backk!!  :-)
Posted by: Debra+, Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 9:32pm; Reply: 9
snorth100-welcome back to the blood type diet.  As a nonnie I eat the Unibars and the protein powder(along with Harmonia in a shake).  They are both great as they are portable and can get you out of a hunger pinch right quick.  I keep old supplement bottles (screw on tops for no leakage) and put protein powder and Harmonia in them.  Have about 10 made up at a time and have one here and there...purse, packsack, van, etc.   And< of coursem  As well as the above mentioned advice from others...don't forget the O exercise...very important.  Do what you can if you have health issues until day by day you get stronger and stronger.

Debra :)
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 3:43pm; Reply: 10
Funny, I've never heard an O complain about eating out.  It seems so easy in the American diet (except the grains, of course) to be an O.  Cracker Barrel is our favorite place to eat out when we're on trips, and we never feel bad afterwords.  I realize some of the veggies have chunks of pork in them, but if you pick around them and take your Deflect, you should be okay.  :)
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 6:50pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from Ribbit
Funny, I've never heard an O complain about eating out.  It seems so easy in the American diet (except the grains, of course) to be an O.  


In many restaurants, we find it hard to get fresh vegetables that are complaint for us.  Even harder sometimes to get bennies.  We can find restaurants with bennies, but often, the vegetables are frozen, and taste is lacking.  In BBQ Rib places, they emphasize french fries and corn.  In Middle Eastern restaurants (were we like to get lamb, kabobs and schwarma) they have a lot of cucumber and tomatoes in salad dishes, and they emphasize lots of rice.  (With arthritis tendencies, I avoid tomatoes and limit rice; and as an Rh-, I am trying to be 90% grain free.)

Not all restaurants have romaine lettuce, and it's usually head lettuce with some carrots and tomatoes.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 7:21pm; Reply: 12
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Funny, I've never heard an O complain about eating out.  It seems so easy in the American diet (except the grains, of course) to be an O.

Cascading corn syrup and wacky wheat starch, Batman! :o Are you serious?   You've never heard an O complain about eating out?  And it seems easy to you to be an O living amidst the American food supply?  Well, I can only conclude on the later point that that is because you are an A and/or you have not hung out on the board much, because you would certainly have heard a whale of a lot of O's challenged by life in Wheat and Corn Central (WCC) discussing same *lol*!!!  And no O would ever say that it is easy for us O's living in WCC.  Doable, yes, once you know how to navigate the minefield.  But easy?  Not how this O non would characterize it!
;D

1.  In restaurants, wheat and corn are in EVERYTHING (and its brother!), including hidden in sauces that you can't even detect being there because they just look like a thin glaze.  They shoot it into chicken, they brush it onto steaks, they sneak it into soups and beverages and even the hose that seltzer water comes out of--wheat and corn are EVERYWHERE.

It is getting easier than it was to eat out as an O, thanks to the prevelance of "low carb" diets, but you still have to really know what you are doing to even have a prayer of avoids the many hidden minefields.

It helps if you just accept that you are going to ingest a few avoids when you eat out, so you might as well just do your best and relax.  But God help the celiacs among us.

2.  As for the American food supply in general, I reiterate as with restaurants that wheat and corn are snuck into EVERYTHING.  O's have to be absolutely vigilent reading labels.

It can certainly be done and is most certainly worth it.  But "easy"?  Not unless you read every label in stores and ask every question in restaurants that you can think of, plus all those that you can't think of and never dreamed of, like:

1.  Just curious, are you planning to smother my sweet potato in corn syrup?

2.  Just wondering, will you be plunking a huge scoop of tortilla strips onto my caesar salad?

3.  Is the rotisserie chicken shot through with corn syrup?

4.  What is that glaze on the beef?  Corn syrup, I'm guessing?

5.  That soup, I'm guessing it has wheat starch in it as a thickener, much like all your dressings and sauces?  ummm huh.

6.  Why are you hooking that IV bag of CORN SYRUP up to my arm?!   :o
Posted by: 107 (Guest), Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 7:24pm; Reply: 13
Welcome back onto the bandwagon!  This is the Soul Train, sista!  All aboard!  Being a little goofy right now, sorry.

Anyway, I love the NAP unibars, but unfortunately cannot eat them because of the rice issue.  It causes inflammation in my body, achiness, etc.  I was so bummed when I figured this out.  I cannot do grains at all, whether from candida issues or from being a very strong nonnie-type, I know not.  But I am sensitive to say the least.  Keeping walnuts with you is a good idea, if you don't tend to binge on them like I do.  I have to only soak enough for one day and not a week's worth, or I will eat a week's worth in one day!

Rice milk would be out for me too, not only store bought because of avoids, but homemade too, because of the inflammatory issue.  Not only am I sensitive to the starch of grains, but the protein portion as well.  My son has currently been using rice protein powder in his morning smoothie, but I am thinking of changing to pea protein powder, as he is allergic to eggs right now as well.  

Getting back on the subject, sorry, eating out is TUFF for me, very.  I usually stick with chicken or fish of some kind.  Often, they have no romaine lettuce and I REFUSE to eat iceberg ever again!  Yikes.  I usually take my own homemade dressing and eat a little snack before I go to the restaurant.  Steamed veggies are usually good at a restaurant, with no butter spray or anything...

Take it easy and one day at a time.  Drink lots of water and stick with protein and veggies for the most part.  You will do well!
Posted by: 107 (Guest), Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 7:26pm; Reply: 14
PS... finding that enzymes are helpful for me as well.  You may want to get some, especially in the beginning...

Digest Gold or Digest by Enzymedica
Posted by: Brighid45, Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 11:49pm; Reply: 15
I'm not a nonnie, but I play one in real life. *sigh* Trust me, I'm not kidding. For me, grains are Godzilla and I'm Tokyo. Anyway--

For snacks I recommend Unibars. I've only tried the blueberry almond so far, but they're delicious and filling. Also, you might try making your own trail mix. I make mine with walnuts, pumpkin seeds, black currants, chopped dried figs, and other neutral dried fruits and nuts now and then. If that doesn't appeal, how about some walnut butter and ghee mixed together as a dip for fruit or vegetables? You don't have to refrigerate the dip--that way you can grab small veggie platter at a store or restaurant and have a compliant meal with little or no fuss. Hope this helps :)
Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 12:04am; Reply: 16
Okay, okay, Peppermint Twist et al.  I repent of my statement.  I was just thinking that at least you get to eat steak.  Sorry.  I know the issues with corn and wheat in everything.  I just ask for everything plain.  Plain this, plain that, please no this, that, and the other on anything.  Lemon slices for salad dressing, thank you.  
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 2:31pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from Brighid45
I'm not a nonnie, but I play one in real life. *sigh*

 Briglet, you slay me.  That one is going into my signature line as a fave quote-o-the-moment.
Quoted from Brig Brig bo big, banana fanana fo fig, mi my mo mig, Brig
...grains are Godzilla and I'm Tokyo.

Another keeper!  Too bad I have no room left in my siggy line or that one would be in there, too!  Grains are Godzilla and I'm Tokyo!  I love it!!!  Love it, I tell you!

:D ;D
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 2:47pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from Ribbit
Okay, okay, Peppermint Twist et al.  I repent of my statement.  I was just thinking that at least you get to eat steak.

You are forgiven, my child.  Repentence is the way to glory!   ;D

Plus, if I were an A, I would periodically be thinking about the steak thing, too, so it is very undertstandable.  We O's are soooooooo lucky there on the steak front, there is no denying that one.  But here are some fab A-related factoids:

1.  Peanutbutter:  not only allowed, but beneficial!

2.  ...Did I mention the peanutbutter?

Peanuts and peanutbutter are delicious, I'm just saying!
Posted by: mhameline, Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 4:14pm; Reply: 19
I used to eat a lot of peanuts and peanut butter and really haven't for a long time since I now know that they're an avoid.  Anyway - yesterday morning we were waiting for our plane to finally get clearance so it could land and we could board and there was a lady eating a bag of peanuts - which normally I would really have wanted too but for this time I toally found the smell revolting - yuck - which I am glad for since I shouldn't be eating them anyway.  I just found it interesting at how my tastes and smells for certain foods have changed.  
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 6:42pm; Reply: 20
Yeah, like I find now I can really taste the chemicals in junks foods.  I'm so used to pure, natural, unadulterated stuff that the preservatives, flavorings, chemicals, etc. in most processed foods really stands out and repulses me to the max.  Also, most wheat products taste "off" to me, like they aren't really a food product.  And indeed we know that they are not a food product meant for me, an O non.
Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 10:17pm; Reply: 21
I guess I was lucky, peanut butter allways set in my gut like an undigestible rock. Now I can eat the heck out of some almonds or walnuts. Of course if you are a B your beneficial meats are goat, deer, lamb, or rabbit. None of these are the easiest to find or the cheapest and any off the other meats and ala Twisty "you're stuck in neutral". Of course cheese and wine are beneficial!
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, February 23, 2007, 3:16am; Reply: 22
That's the way I have felt about some avoid foods too---I've just lost interest in a good many of them.  I remember after being diagnosed with a wheat allergy it was two or three years before I actually had a piece of bread again.  And it wasn't nearly as good as I remembered bread being.  I guess part of it wasn't the taste I was liking before, but the high I was getting from the gluteomorphins.
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