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Posted by: TLS1967 (Guest), Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 6:24pm
I'm a female O+, intrigued by this program and considering giving it a try to improve my health and lose weight. I've suspected food allergies for awhile now and think this reinforces it.  Some questions, please:

1. Clearly wheat type breads are out, what about sourdough bread (it's not on the list)? I've read it's got somewhat of a different makeup and can be ok to eat.

I will be eating out on occasion and sometimes I'm going to want a sandwich (I like them). If my only option is something like Subway - what kind of sandwich is ok to eat and what kind of bread?

2. What would Shiritaki Noodles be considered - Avoid or OK? And if we can't eat wheat, is regular pasta OK?

3. I'm confused about soy - some things say it's a common food allergy and to avoid it, while others say it's OK to eat. What's the word for an O+?

4. Is there an alternative to figure out if I'm a Non-Secretor or Secretor? I don't really have the $$ to spend on a lot of this stuff and testing.

5. I was considering the NutriSystem (low glycemic) program - does this go against the BTD plan?

6.  I have a 28y.o. female friend with Rheumatoid Arthritis - would there be any benefit to following the BTD program?

7. Again on the limited $$ situation - How do I determine from Dr. D's recommendations, which supplements would be the priority ones for me? I really can't drop a load of money on all this stuff. And is it really pointless to take a multivitamin?

8. A nutrionist I met with said Evening Primrose Oil is a good one for women, yet I've read elsewhere on the forum that it's not. Which is it, and what should I be taking?

9. What about chocolate/desserts, are they ok to eat?

Thanks for your help!
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 6:34pm; Reply: 1
Welcome Pat,

Let me make a recommendation that your first priority should be to get yourself established on the correct BTD. Follow the BTD as recommended in LR4YT compliantly. This includes the food (status, frequency, and, portion sizes), exercise (types and amount)/stress, and other lifestyle recommendations. To make even faster progress get any Health Library books that apply to your health problems and follow the stricter version of the BTD in those books.

Next step is to pick appropriate supplements to support the BTD. Using Deflect is usually a good choice, particularly if you are fairly new to the BTD or occasionally eating avoids. The Health Library books that apply to your health problems will offer specific supplement suggestion that may help. Also, reference the D'Adamo Health Protocols for supplement suggestions for your health problems.

The Determinator, which is an artificial intelligence program that provides advice about NAP products that may helpful for your health situation, is a useful tool. It can help you prioritize supplements for the conditions that the program covers.  However, it only includes health issues that the NAP products address and it may not have some of the most recent products included in the program. Particularly look at the highest recommended supplements at the top of the list.

If you do this I suspect you will see improvement in your health in the coming weeks or months, but remember it took years of probably eating many of the wrong things and other lifestyle choices to get you where you are today so give your body time to heal and recover.

Also, if you have a lot of questions about different things you might not want to ask them all at once in one post, unless they are related. I think you will get a better response to each question/issue if you ask one at a time.
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 6:48pm; Reply: 2
TLS,

First things first:  I would definitely get the secretor test.  If, as you say, you can't afford it (and there's really no substitute), then I would use the following foods as an indicator:

Avocados are the one food that are avoids for secretors, but beneficial for non-secretors.  So, if you eat nothing but O beneficials for a week and then have one entire avocado on an empty stomach, it seems logical to me that if you start having gut distress or some other significantly nasty thing from eating one, that you're a secretor.  If no problems, then you might probably be a non-secretor.

Also, soy is safe for secretors, and an avoid for non-secretors.  If you wait a week after your little avocado experiment  and eat nothing but beneficials again, and then have some tofu on an empty stomach, if you get gut distress, again it seems logical to conclude that, in this case, you're probably a non-secretor.  But, then again, only the actual test would tell you for sure.

Finally, non-secretors have more allergies than secretors.  If you've always been an allergic sort of person, then you're probably a nonnie.  Also, nonnies are much more reactive and sensitive to carbohydrates than secretors.

Here is a link to Dr. D's article on non-secretors:

http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl?search=non-secretors&context=0

In general, my understanding of Dr. D's recommendation is that O's run best when they abstain from all major grains but rice.  Other safe grains, to my recollection, include millet, amaranth, quinoa, and this other very tough grain that I can't remember now.

If I were you, since you're concerned about losing weight, I would pick up Dr. D's new books that focus on specific disorders; in particular, weight loss and cardiovascular:

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED017

Actually, for some reason I can't find the weight loss book listed anywhere, but if you can find a copy, that would be a good thing.




Posted by: Don, Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 6:53pm; Reply: 3
1. Anything with wheat in it is bad for a type O, unless it is fully sprouted wheat. Always read the ingredients of any food products.

Sandwiches with bread are not the best option for a type O. Subway will not have any type O compliant bread. Get a salad instead.

2. Shiritaki Noodles have not been rated. They may be OK. I suggest you use rice, spelt, or buckwheat noodles.

3. Secretor status makes a big difference for type O concerning soy. Soy is an avoid for type O non-secretors and is neutral for type O secretors. However, even for type O secretors I recommend that you use it sparingly.

4. The NAP test is the lest expensive and most reliable secretor test there is.

5. I have no idea what the NutriSystem (low glycemic) program is. The BTD will generally provide all of the diet advice you need.

6. Yes, your 28y.o. female friend with Rheumatoid Arthritis should benefit greatly from the BTD.

7. I addressed this in the post above.

8. Follow the recommendations for your blood type. What problem are you trying to solve by taking EPO?

9. Cocoa powder and dark chocolate, assuming it is avoid free, is OK for occasional limited use. What do you mean by desserts? Remember that any type of sugar/sweetener use should be limited for best health and type O do best with a fairly low carb diet. Fruit can make a healthy dessert. I even think of a sweet potato with ghee as a dessert.

If you want to eat a compliant dessert I suggest that you only eat it at the end of the day. That is the best time to eat more carbs. You may find that the longer you are compliantly on the BTD the less you will crave dessert.
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 7:03pm; Reply: 4
LTS,

Oh yeah; one other thing...

Arthritis is very, very affected -- if not largely caused -- by dietary choices.  This is because the more the immune system is kept in a constant frenzy of attacking things like aggravating incoming food and beverage molecules, the more you're going to have a breakdown in the immune policing mechanisms that would normally prevent hyperactive immune cells from attacking completely improper things like, say, the joints.  

Also, my understanding is that chronic inflammation through improper diet may cause a rapid depletion of bone reserves, in order to obtain the calcium and what-not to power all the extra cellular processes that revolve around inflammation and immune functioning.

But that's just my basic immunology class talking.  I wonder if I got my money's worth?
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 7:10pm; Reply: 5
TLS,
All wheat is very bad for you, and that includes sourdough and pasta.  In fact, in all forms, it is one of the worst foods for type O's.  You can have rye sandwiches or spelt bread if you make sure they don't contain wheat.  Type O's who continue to have wheat will make it very difficult to see benefits for your health.

A person with Rh. Arthritis needs to start eating for their blood type immediately.  Avoids are like poisons for the body and will contribute to rapid progression of disease.

Do you have a copy of one of Dr. D's books?  Whenever someone recommends a supplement to you, you can check it against your own blood type list, because this is not a "one size fits all" program. Most things that others tell you or that you read on the internet will be a general program that you can't make any assumptions about until you check for yourself.
Posted by: Alia Vo, Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 8:01pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from TLS1967
I will be eating out on occasion and sometimes I'm going to want a sandwich (I like them). If my only option is something like Subway - what kind of sandwich is ok to eat and what kind of bread?


Welcome to the form, TLS1967.

Some members on this forum who limit their grain consumption or who are grain-free utilize nori seaweed sheets as a 'food wrapper' for food fillings, meat, fish.

Big leaves of romaine lettuce suffice for a 'food wrapper', as well.

They can be found at Asian supermarkets, natural food stores, and some conventional grocery stores.

Alia
Posted by: Brighid45, Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 8:14pm; Reply: 7
Hi TLS1967, nice to meet you :)

1. Most if not all commercially made breads are bad, bad news for Os as they are made with wheat. I feel your pain on this one, believe me. I was nothing if not a bread eater for many years. Unfortunately, wheat is about the worst thing an O can eat unless it's sprouted, as other posters have pointed out. It causes inflammation and damage throughout the body.

If you have to have a sandwich and you are eating out, with no good choices, get an open-faced sandwich--that's one slice of bread gone--and eat as little of the remaining slice as possible. Yeah, I know. But there's no getting around the 'wheat is bad for you' thing. Personally, I just eat the meat and vegetables out of the sandwich and leave the bun behind.

2. Noodles made with rice or spelt are minimally okay. Wheat noodles are no good for the same reasons listed above for wheat bread.

3. In my experience, soy is one of those foods that is not really easy to predict re: tolerance. I can have small amounts very occasionally, but as a daily food, no. (I'm an O+ secretor.) I'd say, take it out of your diet for seven days, then add one soy item back in and see what happens. You're better off getting your protein from animal sources though.

4. I know what you mean. I'm disabled and can only work 20 hours a week, so I make a fairly small paycheck. However, I saved up and got the test and it was well worth it :) Knowing your secretor status does make enough of a difference to justify the cost. I believe NAP sells the kit for $40 USD.

5. From what I remember, NutriSystem tends to work on the low-fat diet formula--not good for Os, who need small amounts of good quality protein and fats in their diet every day, along with plenty of vegetables and some fruits. Also, the prepared food is loaded with wheat, corn, corn derivatives, and additives/preservatives--all bad bad bad for Os. You will lose water and muscle weight on that kind of diet, but the minute you go off you'll gain it all back as fat. I did it twice before I figured out what was happening.

Having said all that, my experience with NutriSystem happened years ago, so if the diet has changed, I'd say look at package labels or the diet plan and compare it to an O diet, and see what's what. When in doubt, go with the BTD.

6. Absolutely! Imo following the BTD can greatly help reduce or even in some instances eliminate inflammatory diseases, to which we Os are especially prone. I've been diagnosed with fibromyalgia, so I speak from experience.

7. I'd suggest going on the BTD for a while before deciding which supplements you might want to use. It took me about a year to find what worked for me. The beauty of the BTD is that if you can't afford supplements, you don't have to use them. The diet alone, if followed closely, will do its work. :)  As for the multivitamin--just make sure it's a good quality one that gets its components from food or minerals and not coal tar derivatives.

8. EPO is not recommended for Os mainly because it's an immune system stimulator, and Os already have their immune systems cranked to the max as it is. If I may ask, what reason are you wanting to take EPO for? As general supplements I would recommend elderberry and/or nettle leaf for women.  

9. Dark chocolate is okay in small amounts--yay! :) Desserts . . . they can be problematic. Anything made with wheat, dairy or avoid fruits--not good. However, I often have dessert if I can get a fruit salad without dressing, or have a sorbet or water ice if its made without high fructose corn syrup. Every now and then I indulge in some ice cream if its made with simple ingredients (like Breyer's All-Natural).  

Hope these answers help. Welcome to the board! I look forward to your posts :)
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, February 14, 2007, 11:09pm; Reply: 8
kamut Ronagon?
the weight loss book you are referring to is BTD per se, Ronagon.


sourdough to my understanding can eventually be done with compliant grains, like rice, spelt, etc......
the sourdough starter can be fermented with those grains......you need to find a private baker who will do this for you, or learn how to do it yourself.

there are a number of compliant breads in recbase....some are for bread machines.....lot s to learn here.
the O majority here have pretty much given up bread altogether, after years of compliance....it really is not necessary, you ll find out in due time.


here s a quote by Dr D on EPO and Os:
Quoted Text
EPO is not the oils, but rather the source, Oenothera biennis. Primrose can be a potent allergen for type O.
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Thursday, February 15, 2007, 12:06pm; Reply: 9
Lola,

I think you're right.  Apparently I never bought a "weight loss" book specifically, because I'm looking on my bookshelf, and it's not there.
Posted by: Ronagon (Guest), Thursday, February 15, 2007, 12:07pm; Reply: 10
And, yes, it's kamut.  I just couldn't remember that strange name.
Posted by: 41 (Guest), Thursday, February 15, 2007, 4:50pm; Reply: 11
For pasta there is a good one that you can purchase from the Food For Life company (the same company that makes the ezekieal 4:9 bread) This type of sprouted grain product is only a neutral, so I use it sparingly.  They have a wonderful cereal, much like grapenuts, and pasta.  The pasta is so very yummy!! to add sauce to it would be a crime.  A little olive oil and some herbs make it excellent.  The name of the cereal and pasta is Ezekiel 4:9 just like the bread.

For loosing weight, the best thing for O's is to eat grass fed beef, every day if you can.  The more beef I eat, the more weight I loose :o Something I noticed years ago when on WW diet and could not make sense out of.  Stick with the top 10 bennies for weight loss for O's and the weight will just fall off  ;D, not very quickly, but consistantly. When you eat any grains, including the allowed but use sparingly ones, the weight loss will slow down.  I lost 30 pound without portion control or exercising before the holidays.  During the few weeks there, I baked alot of things using the "good" grains.  I did not gain weight  ;) but did not loose any either.  I also got into the bad habit of eating orgainc chocolate (with not avoid ingredients) and it was OK the first time or 2, but after a week of chocolate bar dessets, my skin was horrible  >:( .  Though chocolate may be good for you, the sugar it is made from is not. This seems to confuse me, but the bottom line is moderation.

Desserts, breads, cheese/milk, these were the 3 things I lived off of.  I loved bread and put cheese on everything, except for chocolate  :D  I could not imagine a salad without loads of blue cheese dressing and large chunks of cheddar cheese.  Since the BTD I just add Olive oil, S&P, and some kelp flakes to my salad, occationally a squirt of fresh lemon.  Last week I had a few bites of my daughters salad, loaded with our favorate greek dressing and Yuck  :X I can't imagine ever eating dressing on my salad again.  

The cravings for dessert will go away and when you do indulge you will find it does not tast near as good as you remember.  I did not believe this would ever happen when first starting the BTD, but you really will not want this stuff after a very little while.  

My husband has RA and he benefits a great deal from the diet.  He is still on his meds, so when he deviates from the diet, it is harder for him to see the immediate results. I, on the other hand, have fibro and see the results of avoids very quickly.

HTH, and welcome to the board.
Sandy O
Posted by: TLS1967 (Guest), Tuesday, February 27, 2007, 4:26pm; Reply: 12
Thanks for all the great info!

I had asked about why O's shouldn't take Evening Primrose Oil - this was recommended for me to take by a nutritionist. I ran out so I've been taking Black Current Seed (I think), is that ok? I want to make sure I'm getting essential oils in my diet if I don't eat enough fish.

Does knowing I'm O+ (positive) determine if I'm a non-secretor/secretor?

I've just received the Type O Food, Beverage & Supplement pocket-size book (waiting for the others books to arrive) and noticed that it was published in 2002. How much has the list changed from then to now?

Plus, this book doesn't really mention anything about the difference between non-sec/sec, which kind of suprises me since everyone is telling me how important it is to know this. As I said, I'm still waiting to receive the comprehensive ER4YT book.

It's too bad the website didn't have a program that you could type in your info and it would spit out the most current food/drink list. I recall someone saying it's "legal issue" (I think), but maybe even charge a small fee to get this info. Yes, I know the Index is there to look it up, but that's kind of a pain to have to keep checking it. I found another string where someone had created their own PDF version, which I printed, but some of it contradicts what's in my book.

Is there anyone out there in the Chicago downtown (not the Loop) area that could give me ideas on where is good to eat out with options for O blood type? I haven't gotten into a routine yet of bringing lunch so I eat out (plus it gets me out of the office), but where can I eat that doesn't cost a fortune and still offers good choices?

Thanks!
Posted by: Don, Tuesday, February 27, 2007, 5:46pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from TLS1967
I had asked about why O's shouldn't take Evening Primrose Oil - this was recommended for me to take by a nutritionist. I ran out so I've been taking Black Current Seed (I think), is that ok? I want to make sure I'm getting essential oils in my diet if I don't eat enough fish.

You can check the value of Black Current Seed Oil or any other food in typebase.

Quoted from TLS1967
Does knowing I'm O+ (positive) determine if I'm a non-secretor/secretor?

No, they are totally unrelated. You can read about the secretor info and how to get tested in the Tutorial.

Quoted from TLS1967
I've just received the Type O Food, Beverage & Supplement pocket-size book (waiting for the others books to arrive) and noticed that it was published in 2002. How much has the list changed from then to now?

Plus, this book doesn't really mention anything about the difference between non-sec/sec, which kind of suprises me since everyone is telling me how important it is to know this. As I said, I'm still waiting to receive the comprehensive ER4YT book.

The food values list has changed very little, since 2001 printing of LR4YT.

The little book was meant to be a beginner book. Therefore, no details about secretor versus non-secretor.
Quoted from Ask Doctor D'Adamo - More Book Differences
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000183.htm
1. First book (Eat Right 4 Your Type) was a basic synthesis of the concept. It had to make some judgements regarding homogenizing information if it was secretor status specific. If a food was deemed a more serious avoid for a non secretor than it might be as a neutral or beneficial for a secretor, then the non-secretor value was used.

2. Second Book (Live Right 4 Your Type) had secretor status differences.
and a very small number of food value changes, reflecting the advances in basic scientific knowledge.

3. The 'little books' (Food and Beverage Guides) Are a mass market book, very simplified, with largely just secretor guidelines and with a few of the altered values included.


Quoted from TLS1967
It's too bad the website didn't have a program that you could type in your info and it would spit out the most current food/drink list. I recall someone saying it's "legal issue" (I think), but maybe even charge a small fee to get this info. Yes, I know the Index is there to look it up, but that's kind of a pain to have to keep checking it. I found another string where someone had created their own PDF version, which I printed, but some of it contradicts what's in my book.

Any BTD food list values you find elsewhere on the Internet will be the original values as seen in the first ER4YT book, because I believe the information was taken before it was copyrighted.
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