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Posted by: 107 (Guest), Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 8:34pm
Okay, something's been on my mind today.  I am just trying to fine tune my diet for my body as I go along with the BTD and am doing very well, feeling good, etc.  But, lately I have been concerned that nuts are a possible problem for me.  I soak them and make them much more digestible, and they don't cause me any pain or problem intestinally, but I just feel "foggy" and lethargic after eating them, sortof like I do after having brown rice or other grain.  I also cannot seem to stop at eating just a handful, as they seem to trigger some kind of desire for more.

I know they are considered beneficial for me, and I don't dispute that they are, but it could be:

1) I have a leaky gut issue, which from all I have read on the subject could be likely considering my past medical history or,

2) my body is simply trying to tell me that it does not recognize or process nuts.  Could it be that I am a more sensitive or extreme nonnie-O whose body only does well on animal protein?  I really don't know, but I think regardless, I have GOT to start listening to my body and what it is telling me.  Could I be more paleolithic than others possibly?

Has anyone else wondered about this or experienced it?  Has anyone cut out nuts because of a similar problem or issue?  I know I am sensitive to many things, but have tried protocols for leaky gut issues in the past and nothing seems to change.  I am becoming more inclined each day to thinking that my body is just not made to consume the things it rejects, but I could be way off.  

Any thoughts on this?  Thanks for all your help and comments!  I know I am a rambler and a day-dreamer, but I figure if anyone has thought of these things, you all have!
 
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 9:00pm; Reply: 1
Quoted from Tina
Okay, something's been on my mind today.  I am just trying to fine tune my diet for my body as I go along with the BTD and am doing very well, feeling good, etc.  But, lately I have been concerned that nuts are a possible problem for me.  I soak them and make them much more digestible, and they don't cause me any pain or problem intestinally, but I just feel "foggy" and lethargic after eating them, sortof like I do after having brown rice or other grain.  I also cannot seem to stop at eating just a handful, as they seem to trigger some kind of desire for more.

I know they are considered beneficial for me, and I don't dispute that they are, but it could be:

1) I have a leaky gut issue, which from all I have read on the subject could be likely considering my past medical history or,

 


Have you performed the fingerprint test?

I will say that I think leaky gut problems take time to change.  They won't happen overnight.  I'd give yourself at least six months to a year to see changes/improvement/healing in leaky gut syndrome.
Posted by: 107 (Guest), Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 9:24pm; Reply: 2
Hhmmm...didn't know about the fingerprint test.  Thank you, I will definitely try that and see what it says.  I will try and post when I do.  Gotta buy an inkpad first...
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 9:39pm; Reply: 3
have you tried making your own ghee, yet?
Posted by: Eric, Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 9:48pm; Reply: 4
Hi Tina,
I know exactly what you're talking about.   I used to eat nuts and instantly feel "gross" and get bloated, and then I just get this huge craving to eat more.   Like KimonoKat said, after about 6 months many of those problems have gone away, but once in a while I'll still get a similar reaction from eating nuts.  I've discovered though that it depends a lot on the quality of the nuts.  If I buy 'em @ the supermarket in the cheap bulk section they tend to be more moist and cause more problems.  But @ Whole Foods for example, they're dry and crunchy and don't seem to set me off.   My problems have been with gallstones causing yeast overgrowth and poor intestinal "integrity" as Dr. D puts it.  But I'm continually improving, and no longer feel like I'm doomed to never be able to eat certain things again.  So don't worry!   Hope this helps...





Posted by: 107 (Guest), Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 9:53pm; Reply: 5
Thanks, eric.  I really appreciate your comment.  Do you take any supplements for the leaky gut?  The intrinsa or do you just stay compliant to the diet?  

No, Lola, have not tried to make my own ghee, as I am totally scared of anything dairy.  Just never had good results with any type of ghee, but have not tried my own.

Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 10:26pm; Reply: 6
may I recommend to go for l'glutamin, B-complex, magnesium ,ghee,perhaps even an aminoacid complex, and then the antiinflamation protocols.....very important. wish you good luck :D
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 11:00pm; Reply: 7
Tina,
all milk solids are burned off while making ghee......
and besides, the sup Intrinsa, has
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/nap/archives/00000026.htm
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP054
butyrate to heal your gut......which is what ghee has in abundance......you should give it a try
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000177.htm
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 11:26pm; Reply: 8
Tina,

Ghee has no "dairy" in it.  It is just pure fat, with loads of butyric (sp?) acid in it, which is very healing to your intestinal villi.  

Try making your own ghee out of the freshest, most tastiest butter you can find.  You will never go back to using anything but ghee, and doing a tbsp of ghee once you start.

It's really, really good for you!
Posted by: 1206 (Guest), Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 12:15am; Reply: 9
I have the same reaction to nuts that you do, and from what others have said in the past, we are not alone. Soaking the nuts over night and then roasting them helps a little, but I can still only eat very few and not every day. I make my own ghee and eat lots of it daily, yet am extreeeemly sensitive to dairy. I feel that I have leaky gut along with the sensitivities and am being patient with the healing process, but the ghee is part of the healing.
Posted by: 107 (Guest), Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 1:41am; Reply: 10
So, even though I haven't been able to eat ghee from the store, obviously there is a difference with the homemade?  Okay, can someone tell me exactly how to make it properly?  Thanks so much.  It is worth a try...

Posted by: 476 (Guest), Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 1:53am; Reply: 11
There is an extensive sticky thread on Gee in the cooking section I believe. I would start there.
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 2:42am; Reply: 12
There is the oven method and the stovetop:
Stovetop:
Put 1 pound of organic unsalted butter in a Heavy saucepan
Melt on low heat, uncovered.
Allow to simmer gently on very low heat.  It will be noisy and "talk" to you.  Gradually a foam will form on top and after some time (10 min. to 20 min. or longer, depending on your heat), it will start getting quiet.  At that point start tilting the pan every few minutes to check the color of the sediment on the bottom of the pan.  When the sediment is medium golden brown and the ghee is quiet and the smell is kinda like popcorn, it's done.  Take off the heat immediately and let cool for a few minutes.

Strain through a large strainer, and if you wish, you can line it with an unbleached paper towel or cheesecloth.  Some people use a coffee filter.

Keep clean and dry and don't contaminate with food.  No need to refrigerate.
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 2:52am; Reply: 13
Quoted from Tina
So, even though I haven't been able to eat ghee from the store, obviously there is a difference with the homemade?

If you can't eat store bought ghee you may not be able to eat homemade either. However, it will still be good for others in the family.

Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 2:56am; Reply: 14
Try starting with only a small amount and don't listen to those of us who are encouraging you to bathe in it!  (just kidding)  But really be conservative to see if your body will adapt better to the fresh.
Posted by: Eric, Wednesday, January 31, 2007, 7:11pm; Reply: 15
Tina,
No problem.  I take capryllic acid every day and eat ghee like everybody here.  But like I mentioned, the happier the liver, the better everything else in the 'ol bod seems to work.   Therefore, most of my supplements are liver-oriented.  I also take glutamine and the NAP probiotic.  Seems to be working for me.   By the way, Ghee is very very simple... You heat up a few sticks of butter in a sauce pan until it smells strong and you think it's about to burn.  Then you cool it and strain it.  Done.   ;)
Posted by: 107 (Guest), Thursday, February 1, 2007, 4:20am; Reply: 16
Gotta get my butter tomorrow and try ghee, unless I can't get out because of the snow they are calling for tonight.  Also, I am gonna order Intrinsa.  I took the fingerprint test and they had lines on them like the picture.  I already knew that, but oh well.  So, gonna get that supplement definitely.

glutamine always constipates me, so I cannot take it too well.  wish I could.  I am drinking lemon and water in the a.m. for the liver cleansing effect, so hope that helps too.
Posted by: Eric, Thursday, February 1, 2007, 4:22pm; Reply: 17
Glutamine, eh?  Maybe that's why I've been having issues moving my bowels...   I'm gonna stop using it for a while and see what happens- maybe you're on to something!   I've also been intrigued about the lemon/water, but I didn't think it worked the same for us b/c lemons are just neutral.  But I should give it a shot if they say it works.   Wow, that's why I love this place.






Posted by: resting, Thursday, February 1, 2007, 8:04pm; Reply: 18
Hi Folks,

just read this thread and notice a few things to consider :

a) nuts and seeds (more-so nuts) and dried fruit may have mold growing on them.  It is not enough to soak them in water, but Lola soaks them for 15 minutes first in a solution of hydrogen peroxide + then soaks them overnight in water.  This also works with dried fruit.  But with dried fruit like prunes or raisins, boil them in water first.

b) Glutamine is an amino acid but is often contaminated by side products in several brands.  You can buy a lot on L-glutamine  in a free powder form (taste slightly sweeth and not unpleasant) from a supplier of bodybuilding products.  It tends to be much less expensive than hfs brands in pills.

I recently had a bout of IBS ... lotsa diarrhea.  The only way to stop it   was about 60g/day on an empty stomach - L-glutamine.  It isn't any kind of bulking agent. 95% a total body L-glutamine is found in a person's intestines.  What I was doing is an old bodybuilding trick that thickens intestinal walls (makes them less susceptible to irritation ... goodbye IBS!)

IBS can also be with constipation OR DIARRHEA and can be quickly resolved with a large dose of very well cooked grain-soup (like rice, oats are OK too) + 1 tsp (start slower) of 'soluble' fiber ... like ARA6.  [Foods with insoluble fiber (often called roughage) needs to be avoided for a few days.]

Tina ... I wouldn't worry too much about genetics causing your touchy stomach ...

besides being an 0 it is great to feel good with a little tyrosine.  ... to assist getting regular: use probiotics 0 + intrinsa + ARA6 + Deflect O from NAP + stewed prunes/raisins + 2-3 Tbs of flax seed soaked in water overnight.  And to greatly heal those gut lesions Seacure at http://www.naturedoc.com + try a small amount of L-glutamine (increase if OK) + lotsa water

John
Posted by: 107 (Guest), Thursday, February 1, 2007, 8:48pm; Reply: 19
Thanks for all the advice, John.  I do take Seacure, 3 in am, 3 in pm.  Do you think I should increase them for the gut thing?  Also take them always on an empty stomach?  

I just read the l-glutamine can constipate some people if there is no inflammation present in the intestines.  This article said to stick with Seacure if l-glutamine caused a problem.  I hate it, but it just seems to be a problem for me.  I wish it weren't because it sounds like the l-glutamine might be the best thing.  Maybe I will try it again anyway and just see what happens over a few days time.  

Posted by: 107 (Guest), Thursday, February 1, 2007, 8:49pm; Reply: 20
Oh, and I ordered the Intrinsa product as well and got some Harmonia yesterday.  Gonna see about that...

Posted by: resting, Thursday, February 1, 2007, 10:16pm; Reply: 21
Tina,

try the other stuff first (besides L-glutamine)... give yourself some time ... likely with the harmonia, intrinsa, polyflora 0 and ARA6 is more than sufficient ... the Deflect is most helpful for the first few years on BTD ... the Seacure (just follow instructions) .... there are other things to try to heal ... but try this for now.  But no matter ... you MUST drink more water ... with 1/4 teaspoon sea salt/gallon + a small squeeze of fresh lemon or lime juice ... divide your weight by 2. drink that number in ounces of water each day (this is a minimum) .  If you do not presently drink this amount - SLOWLY increase your daily water intake to get to this amount ... no water 1/2 hr before, during or until 1hr after a meal.

John
Posted by: Eric, Friday, February 2, 2007, 12:02am; Reply: 22
In the ideal world, timing food and water works out beautifully.  However, I find it nearly impossible to drink 1/2 hr before I eat, etc. because I work 12 hrs in a clean room wearing a bunny suit.  If we want to get a drink of water or use the restroom, it's an entire ordeal just getting undressed and going to the designated areas.  So I actually have to be careful not to drink too much, otherwise I won't be able to work.  Any advice for people like us?   :)





Posted by: resting, Friday, February 2, 2007, 12:33am; Reply: 23
Hi erictm998,

You may wish to drink slowly from a squeeze bottle ... I assume that in a 12hr shift you do have some scheduled breaks.  Control of water works comes very slowly ... drinking by dumping lots at any one time, will have you scurrying to the washroom.  Try drinking via a sports-bottle at your work station - sip every 5 min

John
Posted by: KimonoKat, Friday, February 2, 2007, 12:39am; Reply: 24
I think what eric means about a "clean" room is, it's a sterile environment, correct?  You can't just bring anything into it.

Posted by: resting, Friday, February 2, 2007, 1:42am; Reply: 25
Hi KK,

that's why I mentioned a sports bottle ... a clean room can be to eliminate bacteria - very clean ... only a few biology labs equipped that way.  Most clean-rooms attempt to eliminate dust.  So a squeeze bottle with a single opening (about 1/5 of a straw) seems very clean ... no dust here!  Most clean-room employees are attired in very cumbersome clothing and face-masks.  If he can slip a plastic tube under the mask ???? I do not know the provisions of his work place.

The bottle can be refilled on his breaks or he can take several full bottles with him each shift... most sports bottles are 1/2qt - 1 litre in size.  Don't know??  Disabled people (quads) in wheelchairs often have a large rubber container (2 gal) that attaches on the back of their wheelchair-seat, (it can easily go onto one's back ... maybe inside a rubber work suit?)  It has a long tube leading to the mouth ... on demand (by sucking they can drink anytime ... or not drink by stopping the sucking activity).

John
Posted by: Eric, Friday, February 2, 2007, 2:36am; Reply: 26
Thanks John.  However KK is right in that we aren't allowed to bring anything with us.  I usually go between 3 and 5 hours between breaks.  But I've learned just to deal with it for now, because it's only a temporary thing.  I'm starting college in April in a different state, and most likely will not be working for a while.  But that just brings up a whole new set of BTD challenges!  College, friends, pizza, no $$ or health food stores...   oh man  :(        Sorry, this is the leaky-gut thread, not the leaky-eyes-feel-sorry-for-myself thread.  
Posted by: 107 (Guest), Friday, February 2, 2007, 4:44am; Reply: 27
Thanks John.  I will try this.  I guess i need to order the Deflect, Polyflora and ARA6 next (when hubby gets next paycheck!  ::))
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