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Posted by: italybound, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 6:28pm
Just writing that make it worse.  :'(
Anyway, you all know about the adrenal prob and with that comes much hormonal imbalance. I just need to know if there is something I can take for all this mess that is going on inside me emotionally. The silliest things overwhelm me. Can't seem to motivate myself to do anything (except be on this forum LOL).  Even the thought of brushing my teeth overwhelms me. How crazy is that!!! It's just very frustrating because I'm not used to this. I know things could be worse and for those of you for whom it is, please don't get too aggravated w/ me.  :K)   I just don't want things to get any worse than they are. I don't know what else to do for today. Will talk to the NP tomorrow. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 6:44pm; Reply: 1
Do you have some Rescue Remedy in the house?
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 6:46pm; Reply: 2
Quoted from Victoria
Do you have some Rescue Remedy in the house?


No where can I get it?
Is this what you are talking about?
http://www.herbalremedies.com/resrem10ml.html?source=google&engine=adwords!32&keyword=%28rescue+remedy%29&match_type=&gclid=CKuSn-aV8okCFQGPWAodQHxwKQ
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 6:57pm; Reply: 3
Yes, that's it.  You should be able to get it in any natural food store.  You don't need to use it straight from the bottle.  Get a clean, empty 2 oz (or 1 oz) dropper and put 4 or 5 drops of Rescue Remedy from the stock bottle into it.  Fill your bottle with chemical-free water (filtered or bottled), shake it up and this is your Treatment bottle.  Use it frequently throughout the day whenever you are feeling like you are unravelling.  Rescue Remedy works fast and is appropriate for a crises, whether physical or emotional.  Don't touch the glass dropper to your tongue and don't contaminate the contents in any way.
If you have a treatment bottle that you will not be using for an extended period of time, keep it refrigerated or put a few drops of brandy, vodka, etc. in it.

The  stock bottle does not need to be refrigerated, and will keep indefinately.  

This is interesting, Pat, because I have been going through some similiar emotions.  I wonder if it is the pregnenolone/DHEA.  That's the only thing that I can put my finger on that may have drastically changed my hormones.  I'm taking a break from the preg. (This is my 3rd day), and I'm starting to feel like myself again.  I will continue with it because it is helping my fatigue and adrenal situation, but I see why frequent breaks are recommended.
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 7:04pm; Reply: 4
Thanks Victoria, I started calling around to find some as soon as I got my last post up. :-)   No luck yet, but I'm not giving up. Even if I have to go all the way to St. Louis!!
 I don't know if this is because of anything I'm taking for my adrenals, but NP did say I'd go thru a lot of changes in the healing process. I addressed this same issue w/ him about a week ago, but I was not to this point. I think he wants to keep me on as few things as possible, which is good, but something's got to give.
 It could be the Preg/DHEA, I just wish I knew, tho I guess that wouldn't change anything. LOL.  Still, for me, just knowing why I'm feeling like I'm feeling, helps.
  Just curious - did you do the DHEA before the Pregnenelone and if so, why? I'm curious why mine was done the opposite. That's another things that's got me so  :o , I want to read about all this in my Physiology book and can't even calm down/even out enough to do that!!  >:( ::)
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 7:13pm; Reply: 5
The reason I think that's what is causing this emotional storm in both of us, is because both of those hormones are precursurs to the others, in a cascade effect.  I think your webpage for Dr. Lam may have a hormone chart, at least the book on Adrenal fatigue has one.  Whenever we alter our hormones, we are going to NOTICE it.  Hormones are some of the most powerful substances affecting how we feel.  Even if the changes are good ones, there is bound to be some topsy-turvy effect.  And that's why we need to pay such close attention and be willing to make ajustments, fine-tune, reduce doses, etc.
I started with DHEA first, only because that's what my gyncologist prescribed for me when he saw how low my DHEA was on my bloodwork.  The level had dropped a lot from last year and it was already low last year.  So that's where I started.  Like I said in another thread, he recommended 20 mg/day.  But I started with 5 mg, and it gave me a headache and acne.  So I divided those caps into 4 days worth.  I was taking a pretty low dose, and feeling more energy, but still had the acne, and was pretty irritable.  So I decided to try the Pregnenolone since it would have a different effect in the cascade.  But it was so smooth going, I forgot to take a break, and I think that's what has caused me to fall apart the last week.
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 7:16pm; Reply: 6
That all makes sense. And boy did you hit the nail on the head when you said 'emotional storm'. :-)
I need to get my AF book out and finish it too.  ::)
Thanks again, and will continue my search for the RR. Sounds like some really good stuff. Don't think I'll be caught w/o it now. :-)
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 7:18pm; Reply: 7
Rescue Remedy should be part of every home first-aid kit!

Remember it's to be taken in an acute situation and is not intended as a daily part of a supplement program!  lol!  :-)

Hang in there, sister.  You're going to get through this.
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 7:28pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from Victoria
Rescue Remedy should be part of every home first-aid kit! Remember it's to be taken in an acute situation and is not intended as a daily part of a supplement program!  lol!  :-) Hang in there, sister.  You're going to get through this.


It will be from now on. Never knew about it before. That is one thing I love about this site - always learning new and better things! :-)
I promise I won't abuse it.  :D :K)
And you hang in there too. :-)  Hormones, why do we have to have so many?????  ;)
And what you said before about them being some of the most powerful substances affecting how we feel - well you can say that two times. LOL.   I feel bad for Rich - I know he doesn't have a clue of what is going on. He said today, 'well isn't there something you can take?'.  ;D  Bless his heart.  :K)  
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 7:38pm; Reply: 9
Found some - only 60 mile round trip versus 124 miles!!!  Feel better already. Thanks again Victoria!!  :K)  :K)
Any other suggestions would be appreciated as well. Just really really glad to have a place to start.  ;D
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, January 21, 2007, 7:54pm; Reply: 10
some yummie magnesium, B-vits, and some higher intake of inositol??) ;) did you dribbled into pré-menopsy's kiss??) :D.......
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 8:04pm; Reply: 11
I can do the mag and B vits, thanks Isa.  :K)  What is inositol?
No, I didn't dribble into menopause, I was thrown into it via complete hysterectomy. All of what's going on right now has very much to do w/ the repair of my adrenals. :-)  So even tho I feel  :o  :o  right now, I'm grateful because I know some good is being done. :-)
Posted by: KimonoKat, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 8:31pm; Reply: 12
{{{{{Big Hug For Italy}}}}}
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 8:33pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from KimonoKat
{{{{{Big Hug For Italy}}}}}


Thanks!!! You're just a peach!!!  Feeling a bit less overwhelmed since I know I can put my hands on some Rescue Remedy. Will see what it's like in an hour, tho. LOL
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Sunday, January 21, 2007, 8:36pm; Reply: 14
inositol is a B-vitaminoid, especially against anxiety :D :K) hugs from my part too ;) ;D
Posted by: KimonoKat, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 8:38pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from pkarmeier


Thanks!!! You're just a peach!!!  Feeling a bit less overwhelmed since I know I can put my hands on some Rescue Remedy. Will see what it's like in an hour, tho. LOL


I wish I had more ideas for you, but all I gots iz hugs.  I always have Rescue Remedy in the house.  It's excellent for emotional crisis.  Get yourself focused on that goal of going to get the RR.  
Posted by: Kristin, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 9:01pm; Reply: 16
I went through a similar experience many years ago and I still carry a bottle of rescue remedy wherever I go... lol!! Even though I almost never use it, it is comforting to know that it is there.

And from my experience, what is most difficult in periods of emotional storm... as Victoria very aptly calls them  :)... is the resistance to whatever you are experiencing emotionally. Resistance to our experience is what causes pain... or that feeling of unpleasantness which can quickly rise to panic. But allowing ourselves the time and space to move fully into that experience and own it fully... rather than trying so desperately to avoid it/change it/make it go away... is where real healing, change, and integration can take place.

What helps me is the phrase, "I am experiencing exactly what I need to right now". It has been very helpful for me when I feel on the brink. Because I often think that we assume we 'shouldn't' be having the experience that we are having...

Drinking lots of water, gentle movement, deep breathing, brain gym and other types of cross-lateral movements can be very centering, grounding, and supportive of moving through de-tox like symptoms too.

Best wishes and big hugs to you Pat... and Victoria too. I know how disturbing/disruptive emotional processes can be and feel.
Posted by: Kristin, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 9:13pm; Reply: 17
Here is a link to some brain gym exercises... cross crawl is especially centering in my experience...


brain gym
Posted by: Susana, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 9:46pm; Reply: 18
Hi IB,

I am afraid I am not capable of giving good advice on your situation but I do know how to pray and I have great faith so I will certainly pray for your wellbeing. I miss your positive, bouncy posts ;D

My very best wishes,

:K)
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 11:33pm; Reply: 19
Kristen,
Thanks for those brain gym exercises.  I like the looks of them and will definitely try them!

Pat,
The only other thing I can think of right now is to possibly interrupt whatever it is you are taking.  If it's DHEA, maybe take a break of a couple of days (By the way, how much are you taking? )  If it's Pregnenolone, do the same thing. . . just to give your body a break.  It has helped me.
Posted by: italybound, Monday, January 22, 2007, 12:07am; Reply: 20
Quoted from Victoria
Pat, The only other thing I can think of right now is to possibly interrupt whatever it is you are taking.  If it's DHEA, maybe take a break of a couple of days (By the way, how much are you taking? )  If it's Pregnenolone, do the same thing. . . just to give your body a break.  It has helped me.


Good thought, but if I have to interrupt it already, I'm in deep doo-doo. I've only been on it for 5 days! I take a half dropper full. :-)
Also on the RR, do I drink the whole 2 oz (4-5 drops RR, 2 oz water) at one time?
Also picked up some tea - Organic Chamomile w/ Lavender. It also has Lemon Balm Leaf. However, and of course I didn't see this until I got home  ::), it says not to use if you have known allergies to echinacea, blessed thistle, calendula, chamomile, safflower or yarrow. I know O's are not supposed to have echinacea. Anybody know about the others? Would you take it back?
And thanks to all of you wonderful gals for wishing me well and sending prayers. Who says you have to live close enough to visit to be friends, eh? :D
Posted by: Lola, Monday, January 22, 2007, 12:41am; Reply: 21
don t think that would be a problem, since there would only be 'traces' of said herbs, if any.
Posted by: Drea, Monday, January 22, 2007, 12:41am; Reply: 22
I've been doing deep breathing exercises for fearful moments, as well as first thing in the morning and last thing at night. I sit comfortably, either on the floor cross-legged or in a chair with a straight back, and close my eyes. Breathing in through the nose and out through the nose, pulling and pushing the air through the back of my throat (sounds sort of like Darth Vader). On the first inhale, I count until I cannot breath in any more, then I exhale that same amount. If I'm very upset, the first in-breath can be as low as 3 or 4. The longer I breath, the higher I can count, and I usually get up to 11 beats in and 11 beats out. I'll do this for as long as it takes to feel better.
Posted by: MyraBee, Monday, January 22, 2007, 2:48am; Reply: 23
My dear friend, I hope you are already on the mend!!

:K)
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, January 22, 2007, 4:41am; Reply: 24
When you mix up your treatment bottle in a 2 oz. dropper bottle, each dose can be one dropper-full squeezed into your mouth or into a glass of water.  At that rate, a bottle will last you a long time, weeks probably, because you will most likely only need to take it for a couple of days.  If this lingers longer than a couple of days, you may need to adjust your supplements.

What dose Preg. or DHEA are you taking?  (How many mg. per dose?)
Posted by: accidental_chef, Monday, January 22, 2007, 4:58am; Reply: 25
Dear Pat,
Please recover soon! I cannot even begin to imagine what you're going thro.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, January 22, 2007, 11:46am; Reply: 26
is that the first temptation to becom alcoholic;) ;D.....wohahawoaaa :D ....I do have my little bootle of rescue rem. also every time with me and found out...not only useful for me ;D :D .....
Posted by: OSuzanna, Monday, January 22, 2007, 2:27pm; Reply: 27
Hugs for everyone, especially Italy, Victoria, KK and Isa. Girls, I've gone thru stuff like that, and it is really rough road. Sympathetic to the bone. I have Rescue Remedy here, somewhere, at least I did.
For what it's worth, when emotionally out of control, I take the quick-and-dirty route of modern chemistry to get my feet back under me asap, then work on healing the bigger picture. When I'm quietly freaking out, I can't focus, so I go for the tranks, but only an infitesmally (sp?) small amount, just to take the edge off, bottles okay to be refilled monthly can actually go years between refills. That's what I mean by tiny amounts. And only occasionally. I'd've been dead already several times over if it weren't for modern medicine.
Anyway, Italy and Victoria, hope you guys are both feeling better, wish I had more than hugs to offer, but, take my word, they're good hugs ;)
Posted by: italybound, Monday, January 22, 2007, 4:13pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from Victoria
When you mix up your treatment bottle in a 2 oz. dropper bottle, each dose can be one dropper-full squeezed into your mouth or into a glass of water.  At that rate, a bottle will last you a long time, weeks probably, because you will most likely only need to take it for a couple of days.  If this lingers longer than a couple of days, you may need to adjust your supplements.
What dose Preg. or DHEA are you taking?  (How many mg. per dose?)


I must've mixed the RR wrong!!  :o   Will have to take another look at your instructions when I have more time.  :B
The DHEA is 16-20 mg             two times a day.
Thanks to the rest of you for the good wishes and thoughts!!!
No Isa, haven't turned to alcohol yet, tho I must confess, if there had been a Starbucks nearby, I'd have had a White Choc Mocha.  I don't know why, but that always calms me right down when I'm  :o  :o.
So...........OSuzanna........the quick-and-dirty route of modern chemistry to get your feet back under you asap..............are you referring to alcohol?  Guess that'd be a real quick fix if you only used it once in a while (which is what you said you do :-). LOL  
Oh dear  :o ::), I really did myself up good!!  I drank half of the mix yest as soon as I made it and the other half before I went to bed. I do feel better today but still somewhat anxious. I do have both bottles w/ me, so at least I feel better about that. :-)
Posted by: LuHu, Monday, January 22, 2007, 4:47pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from pkarmeier



So...........OSuzanna........the quick-and-dirty route of modern chemistry to get your feet back under you asap..............are you referring to alcohol?  


Dear Italy,

I think OSuzanna was referring to a tranquilizer (e.g. Valium) script. I think.

"When I'm quietly freaking out, I can't focus, so I go for the tranks, but only an infitesmally (sp?) small amount, just to take the edge off . . ."

Wow, the whole treatment bottle? Well, at least we know now that it won't hurt you if you take more than the recommended amount!

Sending you sunshine and best wishes from another one going through it. I still think `they' put something in the air.  ::) (it's a joke, I'm not that gone . . . yet.)

(sunny)(sunny)
Posted by: italybound, Monday, January 22, 2007, 4:53pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from LuHu
Dear Italy,I think OSuzanna was referring to a tranquilizer (e.g. Valium) script. I think. (sunny)(sunny)


Well, that makes sense. Geeezzzzzzzzzzz..........see............my mind is just not with it right now. But I know it'll get better. Just need to head off to Starbucks. LOL. ;D :P ;) :)
Posted by: LuHu, Monday, January 22, 2007, 4:57pm; Reply: 31
Yes, it WILL, Italy. Ride it, ride it, ride it . . . (wish I had a little surfer on a wave image to insert here.)  :K)
Posted by: Kristin, Monday, January 22, 2007, 5:04pm; Reply: 32
Don't worry if you drank the whole mix right away... I think the instructions on the RR bottle are a couple of drops into a small amount of water and sip every 15 minutes until your symptoms begin to subside. I gave it once to a child, told him to take just a sip and he slugged the whole thing down in one gulp and trotted off to bed. He was fine.

Perhaps you needed a biiiig first dose, that's all......  ;)
Posted by: italybound, Monday, January 22, 2007, 5:42pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from Victoria
I started with DHEA first, only because that's what my gyncologist prescribed for me when he saw how low my DHEA was on my bloodwork.  The level had dropped a lot from last year and it was already low last year.  So that's where I started.  Like I said in another thread, he recommended 20 mg/day.  But I started with 5 mg, and it gave me a headache and acne.  So I divided those caps into 4 days worth.  I was taking a pretty low dose, and feeling more energy, but still had the acne, and was pretty irritable.  So I decided to try the Pregnenolone since it would have a different effect in the cascade.  But it was so smooth going, I forgot to take a break, and I think that's what has caused me to fall apart the last week.


funny because I have had a headache for days! and have had acne popping up too. I actually had talked to the NP about this re: something but can't for the life of me remember if it was re: the DHEA.  Will ask him today.
Also, weird about your having the DHEA first because of low test results. My DHEA was in the failure stage. Can't remember if that tested for Pregnenelone. I have alot of ?????????? to ask him tonight.   ::) ::), ohhhhhhhhh, I bet he wishes I'd stop reading and talking to other people LOL
Victoria, did your headaches present more as tension or sinus?
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, January 22, 2007, 8:23pm; Reply: 34
It was like a tension headache.  And Pat, I was only taking 5 mg or less once a day.  If I took as much DHEA as you are taking, I would probably have to put myself in isolation so that I didn't destroy every relationship I have!  Seriously, my emotional state can't handle more than 2 1/2 mg./day of it.

I'm glad the RR is helping some.  Once again, with love:
Into a clean 2 oz dropper bottle, put 3 to 5 drops of RR from your Stock Bottle.
Fill up with pure water.

That's your Treatment Bottle.  To use the remedy, squeeze a dropperful from the Treatment Bottle into your mouth or into a glass/bottle of water as many times a day as needed, at least 3 x day.

It won't hurt you to take drops directly from the Stock Bottle, but it's just a waste of your money.  It is homeopathic, so the tiniest bit is just as effective as drinking the whole bottle.

Click HERE.
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Monday, January 22, 2007, 8:57pm; Reply: 35
::) ooo..oooo for the starbucks ;) ;D ....question of mine: italy what is the true essence what makes you unsure or feary? What's beyond all that?...if you could realize the fact how you are creating this fear, perhaps this can be the key to it??) Peter wrote that the O's have almost a problem with dopamin; but
here it might be also ok to go for Rhodiola?.....or  Sam-e??) What is the exact situation which elevates for you this feary sensation?.....


@ Kristin...he-he-hee gulping the alc stuff beverages...huh...ja-jaaa we know that ;) ;D :D
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, January 24, 2007, 12:36am; Reply: 36
ItalyBound, how ya doin?
Posted by: KimonoKat, Wednesday, January 24, 2007, 12:39am; Reply: 37
I've used Rescue Remedy straight out of the bottle.  I guess that makes me one of those hard core girls lol!
Posted by: italybound, Wednesday, January 24, 2007, 2:15am; Reply: 38
Quoted from Victoria
It was like a tension headache.  And Pat, I was only taking 5 mg or less once a day.  If I took as much DHEA as you are taking, I would probably have to put myself in isolation so that I didn't destroy every relationship I have!  Seriously, my emotional state can't handle more than 2 1/2 mg./day of it.


I asked NP about the dosage. He said when you take it sublingually, it acts differently. I don't really know how to describe it. He told me exactly what happens with each (capsule versus sublingual) and silly me, I thought I'd remember. LOL.  I do remember he said when it's taken in capsule form, it tends to be converted into something other than what is intended. That is not a good explanation, tho, sorry. I'm going to continue on my dose for now.
As I've been thinking over the past days, I realize I have not been drinking all my water. When I had headache issues before, they went away when I started drinking at least 64 oz of water a day, so I'm being very conscious of my water intake. WIll see what happens over the next day or so.
Isa, what was going on Sunday had nothing to do w/ any fears. :-)
Drea, thanks for askin', doing better. Still some ehhhhhhh goin' on, but that has been around for a while and suspect as I am going thru healing it will be my companion, whether I like it or not. LOL
KK, our hard core girl  ;) :K), my NP did say I could take the RR straight. I'll prob try it diluted next time as well, just to see how it does. Good to know I can take it straight tho, just in case. :-)
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, January 24, 2007, 3:34am; Reply: 39
I can relate to what your NP said about sublingual, Italy.  That's along the lines of why I use the progesterone in vit E oil, rubbed on my gums, instead of taking it in pill form.  When something is used in sublingual form, it goes right into the blood and bypasses the liver.  Maybe this is what he is talking about.  Good to know DHEA can be bought in that form.  Was it prescription only??
Posted by: MyraBee, Wednesday, January 24, 2007, 5:29am; Reply: 40
((((((((((IB)))))))))))
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Wednesday, January 24, 2007, 11:06am; Reply: 41
so what...Italy??) ......tell me mooorrre about that...it begins to become interesting .....:o  I smell some
.......^>`'? huh...really......:D ;)

@ the very early beginning there's a thought......then got a feeling.....then realizes uprising symptomes.....because of the becoming aware of.... et voilà ......things become true ::)


the body you have...but the soul you are !  (sunny)
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