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Posted by: italybound, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 4:09pm
because I caved in and took the antibiotics.  :'(    It's going on 2 wks since I've been fighting this w/ everything imaginable and was still losing.  I've been thinking how Rodney wound up w/ pneumonia and sure don't want to go down that path. Then I was up early this morning reading, again, where even a respiratory condition can cause serious medical problems (that I don't even want to think about) if your adrenals are exhausted/failing. Add to that what the stress of being sick and fighting so long w/ this, is doing to my adrenals and I felt like I didn't have much choice but to do the dirty deed and then just clean up afterwards. :'(   :o :B :'(
I see in the Antibiotic Support Protocol, it lists something I'm not familiar with and wondered IF I can find it today, since I took my first antib last night and I'm only taking 3 (but they will last in my system for 7-10 days, I think it says), should I take 1 for each of the remaining days of actual pills and then 1 for each day it is effective? This is the one in question:
Proteolytic enzymes (pancreatin 4x): 1 capsule with each dose of antibiotic
Thanks :-)
Posted by: KimonoKat, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 4:14pm; Reply: 1
Don't beat yourself up {{{Italy!}}} about this decision.  I'm sending you an energy prayer that you will see some turn around in your health soon.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 4:17pm; Reply: 2
get well soon IB!
Posted by: Alia Vo, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 4:51pm; Reply: 3
Hope your health improves shortly, Pat.

Stay compliant with your beneficial foods!

Alia
Posted by: LuHu, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 4:59pm; Reply: 4
Hey Italy,

You're making the best decision in a lousy situation while considering things from all angles. Unfortunately, sometimes, we do have to choose the lesser of two evils.::)

Take your probiotics BETWEEN antibiotic doses. Your body will regain its equilibrium. I believe the greatest adverse effects are when people do NOT replenish their intestinal flora after taking antiobiotics and repeated non-judicious use of same. You are committing niether of these great sins.  ;D

I'm sure you will feel better soon. :K)
Posted by: MyraBee, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 4:59pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from pkarmeier
I see in the Antibiotic Support Protocol, it lists something I'm not familiar with and wondered IF I can find it today, since I took my first antib last night and I'm only taking 3 (but they will last in my system for 7-10 days, I think it says), should I take 1 for each of the remaining days of actual pills and then 1 for each day it is effective? This is the one in question:
Proteolytic enzymes (pancreatin 4x): 1 capsule with each dose of antibiotic
Thanks :-)


If it were me, I'd take one for the whole 10 days.

Do you mind sharing what antibiotic you are taking?
Posted by: Janet, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 5:13pm; Reply: 6
:K) Poor you Pat, wishing you a real speedy recovery AND make sure you get lots of REST...time off work?? (talk to the boss!!)  ;)
Posted by: italybound, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 5:40pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from MyraBee
If it were me, I'd take one for the whole 10 days.Do you mind sharing what antibiotic you are taking?


Thanks for the nice thoughts, prayers  and advice gals!! You're the bestest!!! :-)
Myra, I did have the thought to do so, but don't even know what that is, tho I'm guessin' it's good since the Dr ordered it. LOL.
What I have it the generic Z-Pac (3 pk) Azithromycin.  I take this when I have to (if it's suitable) because it's only 3 pills (to remember to take that is).  I am even more leary of antib's since I read that article (the one I posted) about that lady dying.  :o :-/      But, unlike all the years before BTD, I know to follow up w/ the pro-bi's and will be doing so, heavily.
LuHu, I'll be sure to take them between meals  ;) and since the antib's are  only one a day, I'll be doing the pro-bi's several times a day!  ;D
Janet, I'll talk to that slave drivin' boss and see what he can do for me LOL.  Actually, we'll be off tomorrow, so that gives me 3 days to try and kick this before I have to be back here. :-)
I don't have time to read this whole article right now, but what I did get to glance at, looks good. Like everyone might want to take them. :-)
http://www.nutritionalwellness.com/archives/2006/jul/07_proteolytic.php

LUHU: Specially for you:    :K)     (info from above link)
a properly designed supplemental proteolytic enzyme formula can help reduce the symptoms of MS, clean out the lungs9 and aid in detoxing.
Posted by: Gumby, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 5:55pm; Reply: 8
I hope you feel better soon.  It sounds like you have a great plan in place to deal with the yuck effects of the antibiotics, so you'll do great.  They can do their job and you can do yours. :D

Love your quote about dancing in the rain!  :D  
Posted by: LuHu, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 6:15pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from Gumby

Love your quote about dancing in the rain!  :D  


Yes, Pat. Your quote is inspirational. Gumby, your quote is hilarious!  ;D
Posted by: Don, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 6:43pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from pkarmeier
What I have it the generic Z-Pac (3 pk) Azithromycin.

Quoted from ZITHROMAX
http://www.drugs.com/Zithromax/
Generic Name: azithromycin (a zith row MY sin)
Brand Names: Zithromax, Zithromax TRI-PAK, Zithromax Z-Pak, Zmax
         
What is the most important information I should know about azithromycin?
    •      Do not use azithromycin if you have ever had an allergic reaction to this medicine or similar drugs such as erythromycin (E-Mycin, Ery-Tab, E.E.S.), clarithromycin (Biaxin), or other macrolide antibiotics.

Quoted from ER4YT page 239 - Type O Antibiotic Sensitivities
Try to avoid macrolide-class antibiotics. ... can aggravate bleeding tendencies in Type Os. ...

Posted by: mikeo, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 6:45pm; Reply: 11


eat more vitamin K foods while on the drug like liver, fish oils, egg yolks and kale and collards
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 7:05pm; Reply: 12
Pat, azithromycin is what I took when I had that double-ear infection last February (which I only knew I had due to the vertigo it caused).  Prior to that course of azithromycin, I had not taken any antibiotics in years.  I was glad to take it and glad to have a double ear infection, believe me, as opposed to all the other things that vertigo could be caused by.  There are indeed times that antibiotics are wonder drugs.  That said, I'm convinced that the azithromycin led to the subsequent "bacterial overgrowth" I sported (and possibly still sport, as I refused to go on the Flagyl that nunudoc wanted to put me on for that).  I would suggest that, once your course of azithromycin is completed, take probiotics, including acidophilus.
Posted by: italybound, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 7:28pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Edna
I would suggest that, once your course of azithromycin is completed, take probiotics, including acidophilus.


PT, I'm taking Polyflora during my course of these antib's and will continue for at least 4 wks as the Antibiotic Protocol suggests. :-)    Prob longer.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 8:37pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from pkarmeier


PT, I'm taking Polyflora during my course of these antib's and will continue for at least 4 wks as the Antibiotic Protocol suggests. :-)    Prob longer.

Very good.  Wish I'd consulted the antibiotic protocol when I took them.  I have the Encyclopedia and, would you believe, it didn't occur to me that there might be an antibiotic protocol in there?  I'm glad it occurred to you and that you are following the suggs to a T.

Posted by: Jane, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 9:02pm; Reply: 15
Pat,
Hope you are feeling better soon.  Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do to knock out the bacteria.   The last thing you need to be doing is stressing over the idea of antibiotics.  Sometimes you just need the meds!
Jane
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 10:04pm; Reply: 16
Those enzymes you mentioned, Italy, are sold under the name Wobenzyme in natural food stores.
Posted by: MyraBee, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 10:17pm; Reply: 17
My MD prescribes 2 Z-Paks (5-Day) when I have a sinus infection.  I take one pak as directed, wait 3 days, and take the next pak for the next 6 days.

This is the only antibiotic that works for me with a raging sinus infection, and. for me, one pak does not do the trick--must be two.

However, Guess What?!!  I have not had a sinus infection since starting BTD!!




(sunny)(clap)(dance)(whistle)(pray)(sunny)
Posted by: accidental_chef, Friday, January 19, 2007, 4:06am; Reply: 18
Keep well and speedy recovery!
Posted by: italybound, Friday, January 19, 2007, 4:35am; Reply: 19
Quoted from Victoria
Those enzymes you mentioned, Italy, are sold under the name Wobenzyme in natural food stores.


Thanks so much for that info Victoria. Will be picking some of that up. :-)

Woweeee!!!!!!!! Myra - you're a stubborn one. LOL    TWO  Z-packs!!  Just glad you are not plagued w/ them anymore. I can seriously say this should be my last for a long time. I will make it my business to know where there will be smoke and avoid it. The baptismal thing just really caught me off guard, but no more.  ;D

mikeo, funny you should mention eating more Vit K.  LOL.   Doubt I'll need to worry about that much, as my Vit K was way up last blood work. From all the veggies. :-)  Thanks for the mention.

Quoted from Gumby
Love your quote about dancing in the rain!  
 

:) ;) ;D

MoDon, am I to assume from your quote above that the med  I'm on is a macrolide-class antibiotic?

PT, you mentioned taking acidophillus, which has always been my probiotic of choice. Funny thing tho, I noticed this particular dophillus is not in the Polyflora O, which leads me to believe I have not been taking the best thing I could've been, but who knew?  :-/ ;)

Thanks to all the well wishes from everyone else as well. :-)

Also, re: a comment from the NP.  He said since I'm taking this 3 PK that the antib's are SO strong I would be wasting my pro-bi's    by taking them right now.  That I should just wait. Unfortunately we got off on the Shawn Hornbeck thing before clarifying what he meant by that. 3 days or 7?  While I can see the sense in what he's saying, I'm not sure I should follow that advice. I know a lot of the pro-bi is killed before it reaches the intestine.  Precisely why I used to take Primadophillus, on the occasions I did. It is enteric coated (triple coated), so that most of it is still in tact when it reaches the colon/intestines. Just wondering w/ this strong a drug, if any would survive.  As pro-bi's are pretty costly, I certainly don't want to waste them. On the other hand..............  What do you all think?
Posted by: Don, Friday, January 19, 2007, 4:41am; Reply: 20
Quoted from pkarmeier
MoDon, am I to assume from your quote above that the med  I'm on is a macrolide-class antibiotic?

Yes, from the above quote: "Do not use azithromycin (Zithromax) ... or other macrolide antibiotics."

Posted by: MyraBee, Friday, January 19, 2007, 4:44am; Reply: 21
Quoted from pkarmeier


Woweeee!!!!!!!! Myra - you're a stubborn one. LOL    



So I've been told!   ;)

Posted by: Vicki, Friday, January 19, 2007, 5:09am; Reply: 22
Remember, even inactive "good" bacteria play a role:

http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/staff/archives/00000070.htm
Posted by: trish44, Saturday, January 20, 2007, 12:05pm; Reply: 23
That is a great link on enzymes, Italybound, or is it Pat?  My husband's nephew, who is a chiro, told me to take them some time ago.  I took a bottle, and then forgot about them until seeing this thread and link.  Thank you, and thanks to this website!  Hope you feel better soon, too.
Posted by: OSuzanna, Saturday, January 20, 2007, 4:49pm; Reply: 24
MyraBee, keeping compliant keeps me out of Sinus-Infection-Land, and I used to have at least 2 a year, one guaranteed in December.
IB, get better soon, hon! I'm not crazy about taking antibiotics, but I do it when I have to ... :K)
Posted by: italybound, Saturday, January 20, 2007, 6:13pm; Reply: 25
thanks again everyone!! coming along, things are breaking up, but waiting for the fallout. LOL.  I have no doubt that if I'd not been in that smoke, I'd still be fine. Have avoided all this sinus stuff pretty much since starting BTD. It is quite amazing!!(this (  !  ) is according to the g'daughter, called an excited point) :-)  I just cracked up when I heard that, but then I would, wouldn't I? LOL
trish44, glad I prompted the rememory, as my g'daughter used to call it. LOL
OSuzanna, yes, when you have to...........which I felt was the case here. :-(   Will start working on the probiotics in a day or so. Guess I'll let the antib's wear out a bit since I didn't get any feedback here on whether I should wait. Will also look for those enzymes!
Posted by: Vicki, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 2:13pm; Reply: 26
Don't wait but don't take them at the same time.  Did you see the link I posted?
Posted by: 1206 (Guest), Sunday, January 21, 2007, 2:39pm; Reply: 27
Are the Wobenzymes safe for all blood types?
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 5:00pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from Vicki
Don't wait but don't take them at the same time.  Did you see the link I posted?


yes, but it didn't really give me the answer for which I was looking. maybe my brain is too foggy right now. LOL       I'm going to start on the Polyflora today. Thanks.
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Sunday, January 21, 2007, 5:52pm; Reply: 29
Italybound, I am sorry to read about your  illness, but it is a very informative thread, as well. I have had quite a few respiratory infections in my day and am intent on not getting them anymore. I have taken a lot of Antibs and I know that sometimes you have to!!! best of luck...
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 6:21pm; Reply: 30
thanks jayneyo.........i do feel my respir thing is getting better, but the hormone thing is out of control. I'm anxious and overwhelmed about everything, even the littlest thing like brushing my teeth. It's absolutely ludicrous and hard to deal with. Need help, so I'm starting a new thread.  ::)
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 6:26pm; Reply: 31
Yes, take the probiotics now!  But try and put as many hours between them and the antibiotics as you can.  PolyFlora from NAP is the best!
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 6:30pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from Victoria
Yes, take the probiotics now!  But try and put as many hours between them and the antibiotics as you can.  PolyFlora from NAP is the best!


I"m done w/ the antib's - only had 3 pills but they are supposed to work for another 7 I think. Am starting the Polyflora. I think I'll start again w/ my 3 x 3 a day for a while, unless someone thinks otherwise. :-)
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 6:31pm; Reply: 33
Do it!  :-)
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 11:34pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from Victoria
Do it!  :-)


Okee doke. Gonna go take my 2nd dose for the day now. :-)
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 11:36pm; Reply: 35
oooh, I just remembered that antibiotics can mess up the emotions sometimes, so keep this in mind!  :-)
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, January 21, 2007, 11:58pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from Victoria
oooh, I just remembered that antibiotics can mess up the emotions sometimes, so keep this in mind!  :-)


really???????????  well, sure would make sense ............ :-)
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