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Posted by: enilac, Wednesday, January 17, 2007, 5:21pm
Hello I realised that there is Fenugreek seed in PolyVite AB but it is supposed to be an avoid listed in Food, Beverage & Supplement List.

Any advise ?

Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, January 17, 2007, 5:37pm; Reply: 1
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archived/config.pl?read=143451

here s your answer.....
Posted by: LuHu, Wednesday, January 17, 2007, 6:43pm; Reply: 2
I have a hard time trying to follow the posts and responses in this link. A lot seems to be 'cut off' or omitted to where there isn't continuity or completeness there to read. I went to TypeBase4 and I didn't find fenugreek there at all so no 'most up-to-date' reference on it. Will u translate the conclusion of the thread you posted the link to for me, here, please, Lola. Thanks!  :)
Posted by: KimonoKat, Wednesday, January 17, 2007, 7:14pm; Reply: 3
Quoted from LuHu
I have a hard time trying to follow the posts and responses in this link. A lot seems to be 'cut off' or omitted to where there isn't continuity or completeness there to read. I went to TypeBase4 and I didn't find fenugreek there at all so no 'most up-to-date' reference on it. Will u translate the conclusion of the thread you posted the link to for me, here, please, Lola. Thanks!  :)


I will try to help you out as best I can LuHu.  Eat Right was published ten years ago. Since then, there have been lots of advances in research about foods, and new information has come out about different properties/benefits/negatives about certain foods.  Consequently, some foods changed status signifigantly.  For example, pinto beans used to be okay for Type O's in Eat Right, but they are not classified as avoids.

Fenugreek is an herb, and there is no herbal classification in typebase.  However, they are listed in the Encyclopedia, and are included in the Health Series Books.  In the Encyclopedia, herbal and other supplements are just listed as to which blood types they have a specific benefit for; there are no avoid or neutral listings.  It's listed as being beneficial for Type B's in the Encycloopedia.

Also understand, that all the books are not without publishing errors.

I just checked the Arthritis Health Series Book, and for AB's fenugreek is listed as Neutral: Allowed Frequently.  In every other Health Series Book I checked  (Allergy, Fatigue Aging, Menopause, Cardiovascular Diabetes) it's listed as an Avoid.

So I agree, there appears to be some confusion here.  Then again, we could be confusing two totally different things:  Fenugreek leaf (for tea) and Fenugreek seed that's in the Polyvite.


Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, January 17, 2007, 7:17pm; Reply: 4
if it s in the polyvite, I wouldn t worry about it, cause Dr D designs all the NAP supplements.
Posted by: LuHu, Wednesday, January 17, 2007, 7:39pm; Reply: 5
Thank you, KK! :)

Yes, I do understand that later pubs have updated info and use my LR4YT as my reference, rarely (if ever) going back to ER4YT and I do use TypeBase as the authority when it comes to food values as well. When I tried to read the posts and responses when I went to the archived link Lola posted, it seemed that parts of the posts were lost and it made me wonder if there is something I need to do (in addition to just clicking the links that show up) in order to see them in their entirety.  as suggested. I  ??) Do you see complete sentences, and words when you visit that link? Thank you for trying to help me make sense of it. Good point about whether it's seeds or leaves being used. I did not even realize that the leaves were used! :K)

KK, will you check all your Health series books for fenugreek's value for just plain Bs for me? Thank you.

"if it s in the polyvite, I wouldn t worry about it, cause Dr D designs all the NAP supplements."

I need to understand in order to make application APART from polyvite, tho.
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, January 17, 2007, 9:46pm; Reply: 6
Here are the fenugreek listings for type B from the Health Library books. I listed the Tea value and if the book recommended fenugreek as a supplement.

Tea  Supp.      Book
A      No         Aging
A      No         Allergies
A      No         Arthritis
A      No         Cancer
A      Yes        Cardiovascular Disease
A      Yes        Diabetes
A      No         Fatigue
Posted by: KimonoKat, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 12:07am; Reply: 7
Quoted from LuHu
Thank you, KK! :)

??) Do you see complete sentences, and words when you visit that link?

Yes I do.    It's a link to the  "old" archived message board, and the bolded text partial sentences are the "Thread titles."  You click on them to read the messages, one at a time.  It's an old format of threads referencing/responding off of each particular thread.  It's a format that is not seen very often these days.

What browser are you using, and what version is it?  That might' have something to do with it.

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Thank you for trying to help me make sense of it. Good point about whether it's seeds or leaves being used. I did not even realize that the leaves were used! :K)

KK, will you check all your Health series books for fenugreek's value for just plain Bs for me? Thank you.

I think MoDon covered that for you.  It's an avoid as a Tea or supplement for most health conditions.
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"if it s in the polyvite, I wouldn t worry about it, cause Dr D designs all the NAP supplements."

I need to understand in order to make application APART from polyvite, tho.


Ah, are you trying to create a daily supplement/vitamin with other ingredients you have more readily available vs purchasing the Polyvite?
Posted by: LuHu, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 3:16am; Reply: 8
Quoted from ironwood55
Here are the fenugreek listings for type B from the Health Library books. I listed the Tea value and if the book recommended fenugreek as a supplement.

Tea  Supp.      Book
A      No         Aging
A      No         Allergies
A      No         Arthritis
A      No         Cancer
A      Yes        Cardiovascular Disease
A      Yes        Diabetes
A      No         Fatigue


Wow. Thank you, Don for that info. Looks like not that much changed w/Fenugreek being an AVOID for Bs in ER4YT.  :(

KK,

Before I learned about the BTD, I used a supplement that included Fenugreek. I stopped when I learned about the BTD and I was hoping I could use it again if the value had changed. By looking at the info Don posted, it appears that that would not necessarily be a good decision for me.

I use Firefox as a browser and I do not get the whole post when I click on the active text. I have IE but try not to use it. I can see what happens if I open it in IE.

Thank you both for the assistance.
:)
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 4:56am; Reply: 9
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Heidi:
....use the type B stress-relief techniques in Live Right 4 Your Type to signal the endocrine system to stand down from "red alert," and take you back to heal/repair mode from the current condition of constant fight-or-flight. Rather than bladderwrack, try the following from the BTD Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia: watermelon seed, 300 mg: 1-2 capsules twice per day -- ginger root, 500 mg: 1-2 capsules with meals -- and fenugreek, 500 mg defatted seeds: 1-2 capsules, twice daily-- Deflect-B, two capsules with meals.


thought this was interesting.....
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/otd/archives/00000743.htm
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 5:07am; Reply: 10
page 563 of the encyclopedia states fenugreek being beneficial for Bs cardio, liver, immune, and metabolic enhancing.......
used to treat digestive distress, atherosclerosis, diabetes, ...........

read this old thread on the issue...
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archived/config.pl?read=143451
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Thursday, January 18, 2007, 5:50am; Reply: 11
::) other circumstances...other values & recommendations ::)
Posted by: LuHu, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 6:01am; Reply: 12
I need an image of my head exploding here, now.

I don't have an inkling of the cardiovascular problems, nor diabetes problems for which fenugreek IS recommended, but for SURE the immune (if AUTOimmune issues qualify me). Interesting to me is that it is an avoid in the allergies protocol while a bene for immune system issues? ??)

The advice given in the quoted text to Heidi fits me to a 'T':

"to signal the endocrine system to stand down . . . take you back to heal/repair mode from current . . . fight-or-flight"  DO take fenugreek.

Confusing? To me, yes.

Thank you Lola for providing the add'l info. I will continue to try to 'square' it for myself tomorrow, but I am up waaaayyy past when I needed to be in bed and will have to pick it up again tomorrow.  
Posted by: Schluggell, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 8:55am; Reply: 13
Fenugreek, Bockshornklee, Fenugrec,  {Trigonella foenum-graecum - Fabaceae}

Also listed in the Health Protocols #10 Cardiovascular: for B-Type.

As an aside, they make great sprouts and rather curious looking.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, January 18, 2007, 4:28pm; Reply: 14
yes Schlug....also as a relish...
here s an interesting recipe....and definately an acquired taste!
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivea/admin_config.pl?read=72647
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