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Posted by: italybound, Monday, January 8, 2007, 4:33pm
I am wanting to do a whole body cleanse but need to know where to start. Which should I do first, so on and so on and in what order. Any brand suggestions would be appreciated too. Will use Dr D's protocols for the ones I can. :-)
Posted by: KimonoKat, Monday, January 8, 2007, 5:56pm; Reply: 1
I would consider starting with gallbladder cleanses like Lloyd did.
Posted by: italybound, Monday, January 8, 2007, 5:59pm; Reply: 2
No gallbladder. Next............ :) :K)
Posted by: Don, Monday, January 8, 2007, 6:02pm; Reply: 3
gallbladder and liver flush are the same process. If you had to have your gallbladder removed then I would be willing to bet that your liver is full of stones too.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Monday, January 8, 2007, 6:03pm; Reply: 4
Quoted from pkarmeier
No gallbladder. Next............ :) :K)


Chiropractor Dr. Bernard Jensen wrote a little book called "The Ultimate Tissue Cleanse."  There are avoids in the recommendations of the supplements you need to take while you do "at home" type of colonics he called a "colema," for seven days but it's something you might want to look at since you no longer have a gallbladder.

The pics in the book of what he's removed from people are pretty amazing.

That being said, whats the possibility of just doing super beneficials and bennies from the FATIGUE book for like two to three weeks? No neutrals, just bennies.  When I did that for two weeks, I noticed a difference immediately.

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Posted by: Alia Vo, Monday, January 8, 2007, 6:37pm; Reply: 5
I think cleansing the liver is important since the liver has so many important functions internally.  In TCM, the liver is considered the 'Chief'.

As follows is the liver health protocol, or perhaps you can start to including liver building foods into your daily meals: dandelion greens, artichokes, dandelion tea:
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/19.html

Alia
Posted by: Laura P, Monday, January 8, 2007, 7:06pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from Alia_Vo
I think cleansing the liver is important since the liver has so many important functions internally. In TCM, the liver is considered the 'Chief'.

As follows is the liver health protocol, or perhaps you can start to including liver building foods into your daily meals: dandelion greens, artichokes, dandelion tea:
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/19.html

Alia


Actually classically chinese medica believes that the spleen is the most fundamental of the organs the worker behind it all, strengthing the liver is important of course but tonifying the spleen is even more crucial and will thus help the liver do it's job.  

Things good for the spleen are

Gourds
Not over-eating
Small fasts

and most importantly Avoiding Stess!  Stess is the biggest cause of malfunction in the spleen- worry causes dampness, dampness = ick

Posted by: Alia Vo, Monday, January 8, 2007, 7:19pm; Reply: 7
Thank you, Laura.

It is probably good meaure to keep all of our organs functioning optimally through proper nutrition and eating correctly for our blood type.

I concur that stress is an important factor for contributing to poor health--even if one eats well, stress will affect how one digests and metabolizes one's food.

Alia

Posted by: Laura P, Monday, January 8, 2007, 10:15pm; Reply: 8
he, he, yes all the organs are helpful:)
Posted by: Eric, Monday, January 8, 2007, 11:22pm; Reply: 9
I'm a huge fan of the liver cleanse.  I'm only 22, on my 11th cleanse, and have expelled literally thousands of gallstones already.  I notice a significant improvement every time I do one.
Posted by: Don, Monday, January 8, 2007, 11:28pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from erictm998
I'm a huge fan of the liver cleanse.  I'm only 22, on my 11th cleanse, and have expelled literally thousands of gallstones already.  I notice a significant improvement every time I do one.

I agree that they are great. I have done 33 or 34 (I think I lost count) in slightly over 3 years. I got the biggest stone in the last flush I did. It was huge! I don't notice as much improvement now as I did with the first 10 or so.

Posted by: italybound, Tuesday, January 9, 2007, 2:25am; Reply: 11
Quoted from Alia_Vo
I think cleansing the liver is important since the liver has so many important functions internally. In TCM, the liver is considered the 'Chief'.
As follows is the liver health protocol, or perhaps you can start to including liver building foods into your daily meals: dandelion greens, artichokes, dandelion tea:
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/19.htmlAlia


Maybe I'll start w/ the liver protocol. I already use dandelion greens and just picked up some more dandelion tea today. Will look at the protocol. Thanks Alia. :-)
Any good suggestions for a liver cleanse or does the protocol do the same thing? Totally lost on this subject, sorry.  :-/ :)
Posted by: Don, Tuesday, January 9, 2007, 3:04am; Reply: 12
Read: Liver/Gallbladder Flush Process - All ABO Groups

The Dr. D liver health protocol is totally different the a flush/cleanse.
Posted by: italybound, Tuesday, January 9, 2007, 10:35am; Reply: 13
What would come after the liver cleanse/flush?
thanks for that link MoDon.  :)
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, January 9, 2007, 11:31am; Reply: 14
::) hilarious ...do you feel dirty??) ;) ;D...I think if you are compliant on BTD...no cleans needed ;) ;D



                                   :K)

Posted by: mmdoppel (Guest), Tuesday, January 9, 2007, 1:39pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from ironwood55

I agree that they are great. I have done 33 or 34 (I think I lost count) in slightly over 3 years. I got the biggest stone in the last flush I did. It was huge! I don't notice as much improvement now as I did with the first 10 or so.



Are you guys doing a liver cleanse w/ an epsom salt recipe ? If so did you do any anti-parasite therapy before the liver cleanse ?
Posted by: Laura P, Tuesday, January 9, 2007, 1:41pm; Reply: 16
I have to agree, the new age concept of whole body cleanse is very 'cliquey' and very over-rated, in many ways it is more of a meental thing than a physical one.  There are many simply things one can do...............but that just doesn't sound as exciting
Posted by: Don, Tuesday, January 9, 2007, 2:11pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
I think if you are compliant on BTD...no cleans needed ;) ;D

I disagree, I have been on the BTD very compliantly for 5 years and I am still passing plenty of stones with each liver flush I do. I was on the BTD for almost 2 years before I did my first flush.

I think their are a couple of situations where this is very valuable. One you developed a congested liver from some health condition prior to starting the BTD. Or two, you continue have a health condition after starting the BTD that makes your liver continue to produce stones.

In my case, I suspect that the liver congestion is a result of mercury toxicity, which is known to effect liver function. The BTD is not going to solve that problem.
Posted by: Don, Tuesday, January 9, 2007, 2:17pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from mmdoppel
Are you guys doing a liver cleanse w/ an epsom salt recipe ? If so did you do any anti-parasite therapy before the liver cleanse ?

No, I have never done an anti-parasite protocol as part of my flush process. However, in the past couple of years my doctor has had me do a anti-parasite protocol 3-4 times.

You need to be more specific what recipe you are asking about, because their are lots of them. I don't consider Epsom salt a requirement. I have done flushes with it and without it. The only think the is required is the olive oil and juice. Anything else may or may not make the flush more effective or whatever. I now usually use Epsom Salt but only on the evening of and not the next morning. I usually use a salt water flush instead then.

Posted by: Don, Tuesday, January 9, 2007, 2:39pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from pkarmeier
What would come after the liver cleanse/flush?

I think it is good to get a colonic the day after the liver flush to help remove some of the toxins that were flushed into the colon before they are reabsorbed. I have done this 3 times, but probably would have done it more often if I could have gotten appointments at the right time.

Posted by: Eric, Tuesday, January 9, 2007, 4:45pm; Reply: 20
Quoted Text
I disagree, I have been on the BTD very compliantly for 5 years and I am still passing plenty of stones with each liver flush I do. I was on the BTD for almost 2 years before I did my first flush.

I think their are a couple of situations where this is very valuable. One you developed a congested liver from some health condition prior to starting the BTD. Or two, you continue have a health condition after starting the BTD that makes your liver continue to produce stones.

In my case, I suspect that the liver congestion is a result of mercury toxicity, which is known to effect liver function. The BTD is not going to solve that problem.



EXACTLY!  I couldn't have said it better myself, as this seems to be the case for me too (i.e. horrible eating habits before BTD).      I drink the Epsom salts, then do the method of 1/4 cup strait olive oil followed by a few sips of lemon juice, wait 15 min, repeat until anywhere from 250ml to 500ml of olive oil is consumed.  Works amazingly.
Posted by: Alia Vo, Tuesday, January 9, 2007, 5:16pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from erictm998
I'm a huge fan of the liver cleanse. I'm only 22, on my 11th cleanse, and have expelled literally thousands of gallstones already. I notice a significant improvement every time I do one.


Great news, erictm998 on ypur liver cleanses.

Much more good health to you...I believe the BTD way of eating will further enhance your liver health.

Alia
Posted by: ISA-MANUELA (Guest), Tuesday, January 9, 2007, 5:20pm; Reply: 22
::) ouch...might be that there's some oxal acidity too much in your diets? because of so much stoneproducing...orrrr a bit too much of anger ??) ;) ;D
Posted by: Eric, Tuesday, January 9, 2007, 11:44pm; Reply: 23
Alia & Isa,
I agree completely.   Just another one of the many reasons I owe my life to Dr. D's work :)
Posted by: Oonu, Tuesday, January 9, 2007, 11:58pm; Reply: 24
I find this liver/gallbladder cleanse very intriguing, I asked my ND he said "DO NOT DO IT"...
What are the benefits and the non-benefits of doing one?

Now I'm really curious!

Cheers!
Shelley
Posted by: Eric, Thursday, January 11, 2007, 2:19am; Reply: 25
You can read all about it here:

http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp

Benefits in a nutshell:  Improved digestion, clearer skin, more energy/less fatigue
Drawbacks in a nutshell:  You'll have to use the toilet quite a few times.
Posted by: SandrAruba, Tuesday, December 25, 2012, 7:21pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from Eric
You can read all about it here:

http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp

Benefits in a nutshell:  Improved digestion, clearer skin, more energy/less fatigue
Drawbacks in a nutshell:  You'll have to use the toilet quite a few times.


I'm thinking about doing a liver cleanse and I read the recommended site. What is ornithine? And where would I be able to get this?

And from what I gather you should do the parasite cleanse in the 2 week before? Again I wonder if I will be able to get walnut hull, wormwood and cloves capsules here. I suspect you can get them all at a good supplement store?

Any suggestions from anyone who did this before? What should I keep in mind?
And what is ozonated olive oil??
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, December 25, 2012, 9:56pm; Reply: 27
ozonated olive oil is when you run a ozone generator through olive oil. you need to but an ozone generator first. they cost from £30 upwards. http://www.ozonate.co.za/ozonated-olive-oil.html


the herbs you are looking for are for the parasite cleanse which is recommended before you do a liver cleanse.

It is also recommended that you do a kidney cleanse prior to a liver cleanse, according to Hulda Clark and some others including moritz.

If you keep animals then the parasite cleanse should be ongoing and the animals should do the cleanse also otherwise you get reinfected very quickly apparently.

I think it is a good idea to read one or two complete books on it to get a real feel for it.
Posted by: SandrAruba, Wednesday, December 26, 2012, 3:18pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from PCUK-Positive
ozonated olive oil is when you run a ozone generator through olive oil. you need to but an ozone generator first. they cost from £30 upwards. http://www.ozonate.co.za/ozonated-olive-oil.html


the herbs you are looking for are for the parasite cleanse which is recommended before you do a liver cleanse.

It is also recommended that you do a kidney cleanse prior to a liver cleanse, according to Hulda Clark and some others including moritz.

If you keep animals then the parasite cleanse should be ongoing and the animals should do the cleanse also otherwise you get reinfected very quickly apparently.

I think it is a good idea to read one or two complete books on it to get a real feel for it.


I'll check the bookstore tomorrow to see if they have any of his books. I'm a bit worried about getting the herbs for the parasite cleanse. I'm not sure if I will be able to get them on the island. If I can't would I be able to do it without the parasite cleanse?
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, December 26, 2012, 5:19pm; Reply: 29
Why do you think you need all these cleanses? If you don't actually have parasites, these cleanses can do more harm than good- wiping out all the gut flora (both good and bad.0 If you've spent time building up healthy gut flora, all the work is undone by a parasite cleanse.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Wednesday, December 26, 2012, 9:08pm; Reply: 30
It's pretty simple to me...

If you do the cleanse because you think that Hulda Clark has something then She says do the parasite cleanse first, then the kidney cleanse. She makes this pretty clear and commenst on it possible 30 times in one book alone.

having read so many books on it now that agree with this, One has to ask why anyone would not do the parasite cleanse first, and then a kidney cleanse before doing a liver cleanse.

if you think she is wrong then why bother doing any cleanses!

It's a bit like saying I agree with sun therapy but I'm going to wear sunscreen, even though it says not to, why bother.

Buy the book or a book, cover every angle, then make your own decision after knowing most of the facts rather than taking a guess about it.


Posted by: SandrAruba, Thursday, December 27, 2012, 7:52pm; Reply: 31
Ruthie, I am really interested in doing only a liver cleanse, since I've been on this plateau with my weight for about 5 years. I just not seem to be able to lose any more weight after my initial 60 pounds that I lost since I started BTD.

I am not gaining weight but I am not losing any either and it frustrates me because I am still about 50 to 60 pounds overweight. I've been reading about possible causes why I am not losing anything anymore and read about liver cleansing helping with this. So initially I was only interested in doing a liver cleanse, but then stumbled upon this whole body cleanse. So I read the entire website and related links and it sounds interesting.

I have no idea if I have any parasites but I am the type of person that if someone says "do a parasite cleanse first" I will, unless I can't. My problem is that I probably cannot obtain the herbs needed for the parasite cleanse, I cannot order from abroad and I cannot get them on the island (still checking but things are not looking very favorable). So that is why I ask if there is some way to do this without parasite cleansing PC. Not that I don't want to, but because I simply can't get the ingredients needed. I never said she was wrong or anything. Just looking for a way to do something with the means available to me.

But if it's that important I will just let the whole thing go and search for another way to get this body going again.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, December 27, 2012, 7:56pm; Reply: 32
I did the Hulda Clarke liver/gallbladder flush a few times without ever doing the other cleanses first. It was uncomfortable, but it did clear up the "gallbladder sludge" found via ultrasound.

I don't think it would hurt you to just do the liver cleanse, either the Hulda Clarke version or Dr D's "Explorer Liver Cleanse" which is a whole lot more gentle.
Posted by: SandrAruba, Friday, December 28, 2012, 12:24am; Reply: 33
Quoted from ruthiegirl
I did the Hulda Clarke liver/gallbladder flush a few times without ever doing the other cleanses first. It was uncomfortable, but it did clear up the "gallbladder sludge" found via ultrasound.

I don't think it would hurt you to just do the liver cleanse, either the Hulda Clarke version or Dr D's "Explorer Liver Cleanse" which is a whole lot more gentle.


Thanks Ruthie, I'll look into that.
Posted by: wanthanee, Friday, December 28, 2012, 11:23pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from Alia Vo
I think cleansing the liver is important since the liver has so many important functions internally.  In TCM, the liver is considered the 'Chief'.

As follows is the liver health protocol, or perhaps you can start to including liver building foods into your daily meals: dandelion greens, artichokes, dandelion tea:
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/19.html

Alia


:D Also, some parts of the book, Eat Right For Your Type on page 41, says:

You may be unfamiliar with the term Phytpchemicals, once called "weeds" or " herbs," are sources of high concentrations of liologically active compounds. " These compounds are widely available in other plants, but in far smaller amounts. Many Phytochemicals-which I prefer to think of as food concentrantes-are antioxidants, and several of them are many times more powerful than vitamins. Interestingly, these phytochemical antioxidants exhibit a remarkable degree of tisue preference, which vitamins do not enjoy. For example, the milk thistle plant (Silybum marianum) and the spice turmeric (curcuma longa) both have an antioxidant capability hundreds of times stronger than vitamins E, and they deposit with a great degree of preference for liver tissue These plants are very beneficial for disorders characterized by inflammation of the liver, such as hepatitis and cirrhosis.

Your specialized program of vitamins, minerals, and phytochemicals will round out the dietary aspect of your program.


:D


Posted by: SandrAruba, Saturday, December 29, 2012, 1:23am; Reply: 35
Quoted from wanthanee


:D Also, some parts of the book, Eat Right For Your Type on page 41, says:

You may be unfamiliar with the term Phytpchemicals, once called "weeds" or " herbs," are sources of high concentrations of liologically active compounds. " These compounds are widely available in other plants, but in far smaller amounts. Many Phytochemicals-which I prefer to think of as food concentrantes-are antioxidants, and several of them are many times more powerful than vitamins. Interestingly, these phytochemical antioxidants exhibit a remarkable degree of tisue preference, which vitamins do not enjoy. For example, the milk thistle plant (Silybum marianum) and the spice turmeric (curcuma longa) both have an antioxidant capability hundreds of times stronger than vitamins E, and they deposit with a great degree of preference for liver tissue These plants are very beneficial for disorders characterized by inflammation of the liver, such as hepatitis and cirrhosis.

Your specialized program of vitamins, minerals, and phytochemicals will round out the dietary aspect of your program.


:D




Thank you Wanthanee. I was at the store the other day and saw turmeric supplement, and I was wondering if I should take it. I know it's beneficial for, among other things, the brain. I'll go and pick it up tomorrow.
Posted by: wanthanee, Sunday, December 30, 2012, 7:08pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from SandrAruba


Thank you Wanthanee. I was at the store the other day and saw turmeric supplement, and I was wondering if I should take it. I know it's beneficial for, among other things, the brain. I'll go and pick it up tomorrow.


:D

Phytochemicals are compounds that are produced by plants ("phyto" means "plant"). They are found in fruits, vegetables, grains, beans, and other plants. Some of these phytochemicals are believed to protect cells from damage that could lead to cancer.
Some scientists think that you could reduce your cancer risk by as much as 40% by eating more vegetables, fruits, and other plant foods that have certain phytochemicals in them. Research has shown that some phytochemicals may:
•     help stop the formation of potential cancer-causing substances (carcinogens)
•     help stop carcinogens from attacking cells
•     help cells stop and wipe out any cancer-like changes
Some of the most beneficial phytochemicals are:
•     beta carotene and other carotenoids in fruits and vegetables
•     resveratrol in red wine
•     polyphenols in tea
•     isothiocyanates in cruciferous vegetables (members of the cabbage family that include bok choy, collards, broccoli, brussels sprouts, kohlrabi, kale, mustard greens, turnip greens, and cauliflower)
Because these phytochemicals are in the fruits, vegetables, beans, and grains you eat, it's fairly easy to include them in your diet. A carrot, for example, has more than 100 phytochemicals. Nutrition researchers estimate that more than 4,000 phytochemicals have been identified, but only about 150 have been studied in depth. More research is needed to find out which phytochemicals may offer benefits in reducing the risk of cancer.
Keep in mind that there is no evidence that taking phytochemical supplements is as good for you as eating the whole fruits, vegetables, beans, and grains that contain them. Most experts strongly believe that it's the combination of these compounds and the other foods you eat that keeps your body healthy. Loading up on one or two phytochemicals in pill form probably won't be as beneficial as eating a balanced diet with a variety of foods that includes 5 or more cups of fruits and vegetables per day and food from other plant sources, such as whole-grain breads, cereals, nuts, seeds, rice and pasta, and beans.
There are several main groups of health-promoting phytochemicals.
Please continue reading at this link:

http://www.breastcancer.org/tips/nutrition/reduce_risk/foods/phytochem

http://www.livestrong.com/article/273326-list-of-phytochemical-foods/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_phytochemicals_in_food

:D
Posted by: wanthanee, Sunday, December 30, 2012, 7:24pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from SandrAruba


Thank you Wanthanee. I was at the store the other day and saw turmeric supplement, and I was wondering if I should take it. I know it's beneficial for, among other things, the brain. I'll go and pick it up tomorrow.


:) And  in the other book says:

Juicing

Fruits and vegetables are excellent sources of a wide range of vitamins, minerals, enzymes, and other nutrients, including phytochemicals-compounds that have been shown to combat cancer in a petri dish. Since more of the healthful substances found in fruits and vegetables are being discovered all the time, no supplement pill can contain all of these compounds. Also, because each plant appears to produce particular phytochemicals that work against cancer in particular ways, it is suggested that a rich assortment of fruits and vegetables be included in the diet. It is also recommended ;that you consume two glasses of live juices a day for health maintenance. Four glasses a day is recommended if you want to speed healing and recovery from illness.
Juicing is an excellent means of adding fruits and vegetables to your diet. Since juice contains the whole fruit or vegetable-except for the fiber, which is the indigestible part of the plant-it contains virtually all of the plants health-promoting components. Because fresh juices are made from raw fruits and vegetables, all of the components remain intact. Vitamin C and other water-soluble vitamins can be damaged by overprocessing or overcooking, Fresh juice, however, provides all of the plants’healthful ingredients in a form that is easy to digest and absorb. In fact, it has been estimated that fruit and vegetable juices can be assimilated in twenty to thirty minutes.

Ideally, the juices recommended in this book should be made fresh in your kitchen and consumed immediately. Many commercial juices are heat-treated to lengthen shelf life. As just discussed, this process can destroy important nutrients. In addition, preservatives may have been added. Even pure, freshly made juices can lose some of their nutrients by being allowed to sit for long periods of time. By buying the best produce available, properly preparing it for juicing, and processing it in your own juicer, you will produce the most healthful, nutrient-rich drinks possible.

The individual entries in Parts Two and Three recommend the use of specific juices for the treatment of specific disorders. It is helpful, though, to be familiar with the three categories into which juices generally fall: green juices, vegetable juices, and fruit juices.

Green Juices or “Green Drinks”

Green Juices cleanse the body of pollutants and have a rejuvenating effect. Made from a variety of green vegetables, green juices are rich in chlorophyll, which helps to purify the blood, build red blood cells, detoxify and heal the body, and provide the body with fast enegy.
Green juices can be made with alfalfa sprouts, barley grass, cabbage, kale, dandelion green, spinach, and other green vegetables, including wheatgrass. To sweeten and dilute your green juices, try adding fresh carrot and apple juice. (No other fruit juices should be added.) Steam distilled water is another good addition.

Although green juices have great health benefits, they should be consumed in moderation. Try drinking about 8 to 10 ounces a day. The following is an excellent “green drink”

Ageless Cocktail:

4-5 Carrots
3 sprigs fresh parsley
1 large handful spinach
1 large handful kale
1 beet, including tops
1 clove garlic, peeled
¼ head cabbage
1. Thoroughly wash all vegetables, peeling the carrots and beet. Cut the vegetables into pieces small enough to fit into the juicer.
2.Process the vegetables in the juicer and drink immediately.

Notice:  be sure to use the foods that are compliant for you.

Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, December 31, 2012, 8:56pm; Reply: 38
Some people do well on juices, while other people do better eating the whole vegetable or fruit. IMO, one of the main benefits of juicing is that you can get in a larger quantity of veggie/fruit than you can with the whole food. Most people today eat FAR too little produce, and juicing is an easy way to get those veggies in. For individuals who eat lots of veggies with all 3 meals plus snacks, the benefits of juicing may be smaller.
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