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Posted by: Janet, Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 4:19pm
I have a question regarding grains and starches.

Since starting btd I have gained weight and really struggle to loose that weight.
Before btd I had a very simple, lean diet, mainly: veggies, salad, fruit, not much meat, poultry, occasional egg, (diet) cheese, ryvita, cereal, soya milk and my weight was OK.

So, what is different? I've added rice 50g, nuts, dried fruit, goats cheese, yogurts and homemade spelt bread 50g. I mention 50g because I'm not eating huge portions and have taken onboard the portions in LRYT.

Because of the weight issue (we're only talking about a few pounds but it makes me miserable) I've cut out the rice, bread and yogurts.
Sure the weight will come off but it leaves me feeling hungry and just looking for the next meal, which means that not snacking is difficult.
I've always been amazed at how little food it takes to maintain my weight and so if I eat too much of anything....I just gain.

From what I've read, As are supposed to do well with grains and starches....mine just tend to stick in the middle!!!  ::)

Any thoughts on the subject??  ??)


Posted by: Don, Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 4:27pm; Reply: 1
Are you eating enough protein?
Posted by: 476 (Guest), Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 4:30pm; Reply: 2
Maybe you, like laura secrete lite, as she says. You could probably talk with her. I find that I do best with out grains of any sort even amaranth and I am still having trouble loosing weight since the last time I ate grains for any period of time. You might also try to find out if you might be carbohydrate sensitive, by listening to your body when you eat carbohydrate rich vegetables. I find that they trouble me too. Hope fully that helps.
Posted by: Janet, Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 4:40pm; Reply: 3
Thanks MoDon, more protein will keep me from feeling hungry.

JamieB, I didn't know what some veggies are carbo rich. What are they, root veggies??
Sounds like grains and starches react the same....I thought perhaps they were separate.
Posted by: Alia Vo, Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 4:46pm; Reply: 4
Jane,

I eat grains and starches, but I carefully watch my intake.  In fact, I watch my intake for all food groups to make sure everything is a balanced out.  I find that I do need to eat grai as a blood type A secretor for me to get through my workouts, my workday, my life.  I think I would be tired without any grains but eating too many grains and starches is also problematic.

I don't believe starches bother me as much; when I refer to starches I am simply referring to starchy vegetables.  I do not watch my consumption of starchy vegetables, but I do make observations with the grain products I eat.  As a general rule for myself since I do not consume many grains is that if I do eat grains, I make sure that it is beneficial and not neutral grain: amaranth, buckwheat, sprouted rye bread.  The exception to this would be the tempeh that I sometimes buy which contains brown or white rice.  I can no longer find soy tempeh in any of my HFS's that only contain soybeans and a culture starter.

Alia
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 5:05pm; Reply: 5
I follow a similar diet to Alia. If I do eat a grain, I'll usually choose a beneficial grain over a neutral (if possible). I'd say I'll eat a serving of grain every two days or so, sometimes more, sometimes less.

I also have gained some weight around my midsection over the last two years which is s-l-o-w-l-y coming off, but the reason is that I've cut way back on my overall food intake. I used to eat more per serving, and more often. Lately, I'd say over the last month, since I've been taking the Deflect morning and night, I've just not been as hungry and sweet things are not as interesting to me (like chocolate). I've also upped my plain water intake by almost 50% which has helped to keep me feeling full.

I try to eat a protein source at every meal, which also keeps me from feeling hungry.
Posted by: Janet, Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 5:05pm; Reply: 6
Alia, please, what are the starchy vegetables?
And I'll look into the bennie grains but I've never done well with grains so feel there is perhaps something else I'm not considering.
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 5:08pm; Reply: 7
My suggestion is if you don't do well with grains, then don't eat them. Starchy vegetables include artichokes, sunchokes, rutabegas, parsnips (root veggies), etc. I'm sure there are more that I'm forgetting, but I'm omitting the avoids.
Posted by: Alia Vo, Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 5:13pm; Reply: 8
Janet,

The starchy grains that I have eaten are carrots, turnips, jerusalem artichokes, globe artichokes, pumpkin, kobacha squash, buttercup/nut squash, taro root, parnips, jicama, and I think spaghetti squash at some point in my life.

More recently, the starchy veggies are usually carrots, turnips, parsnips, cauliflower.

Alia
Posted by: Janet, Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 5:17pm; Reply: 9
Ah...that's what I thought, root veggies which of course I eat loads of!!!!!!!!!

So maybe my answer, as MoDon suggested is more protein.
Posted by: Laura P, Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 5:17pm; Reply: 10
Hey guys, Janet, I think I could help you, but I'm about to jump on a plane so it will have to wait until tomorrow.  I'm really good at looking at people's diets and figuring out the 'tick'...........right off I can tell you.........look at the foods you have added to your diet, more grains, dried fruit, yogurt........sugar, sugar, sugar, with no substance to ground it.

Anyway I will be back either tonight or tomorrow.  Being a type a doesn't mean eating grains.  To do something that is not working because 'type a's are supposed to do well with grains and starches' is like jumping into a pool of sharks because 'sharks are not supposed to like type a blood'

The issue is finding what is right for you, that is really what blood type diet is about.  So let's see if we can help you do that

ciao for now
Posted by: Janet, Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 5:25pm; Reply: 11
Well, thanks Laura, I'll look forward to your contribution too.

If there is one thing I really like about this forum is 'somebody always knows' or has an opinion about the subject.

I was recently on another health forum and was amazed at their lack of knowledge....then I thought...wait a minute...how much did you know before you joined btd????????
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 5:29pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from Alia_Vo
The starchy grains that I have eaten are carrots, turnips, jerusalem artichokes, globe artichokes, pumpkin, kobacha squash, buttercup/nut squash, taro root, parnips, jicama, and I think spaghetti squash at some point in my life.

More recently, the starchy veggies are usually carrots, turnips, parsnips, cauliflower.


Thanks Alia, I forgot completely about squashes! Mmmm. I have some spaghetti squash downstairs just waiting to be cooked.
Posted by: Susana, Wednesday, December 13, 2006, 10:52pm; Reply: 13
Sorry to hear about those extra pounds. Certainly a nuisance.

Do you take tofu? beans? As an A I guess it is important for you to consider vegetable protein in addition to your small allowance of animal protein. I do not know how it works with weight thou.

Best wishes,

:K)

Posted by: Susana, Thursday, December 14, 2006, 9:00am; Reply: 14
BTW any reason why you do not consume fish?

:K)
Posted by: Janet, Thursday, December 14, 2006, 10:21am; Reply: 15
Yes Susana....it's too fishy for my liking... LOL!!!!!
Except canned tuna and salmon and cod but I have to find one that's not salted...Spanish love salted fish but not me. Do you have Mercadona supermarket? they sell an unsalted one prepacked, but it's not always available.
Posted by: Laura P, Thursday, December 14, 2006, 2:44pm; Reply: 16
Janet maybe it would help us be of better assistance if you tell us a typical daily eating pattern for you (aka: breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks)

What supplements do you take?
Do you exercise?
Posted by: Janet, Thursday, December 14, 2006, 5:46pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from lkpetrolino
Janet maybe it would help us be of better assistance if you tell us a typical daily eating pattern for you (aka: breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks)

What supplements do you take?
Do you exercise?


OK Laura...hope your trip was good.

Breakfast has been 50g crunchy oat cereal, soya milk, some walnuts/almonds. No yogurt.

Snacks during day could be prunes/dates/apples/pears/nuts -anything other than sweets eg chocolate, which I crave!! - Pat said magnesium might help with that.

Lunch - chicken breast, large helping steamed veg eg. carrots/ squash/ leeks/ peas/ green beans/ parsnip etc  (main meal) have cut out 50g rice.

Supper - 2 ryvita, small amount semi cured goats cheese, beetroot, cucumber.

Drinks - water.

I eat 1 or 2 eggs per week, also canned tuna and salmon sometimes cod, sometimes small piece of lamb or goat or turkey.

I've tried introducing beans into my diet but feel 'bloated' after I've eaten them.

Supps: daily - Vit E 400 IU X 1, Calcium + Vit D + magnesium X 2, Magnesium X 2 at night, Pure Radiance Vit C X 1, Black Cohash 160g X 2.
I take medication for underactive thyroid, Fosamax for back prob, muscle relax for night (hoping magnesium will replace this) re fibromyalgia.

Exercise - I walk briskly and lead a fairly active lifestyle.

Thanks for any ideas.  ??)
Posted by: Laura P, Thursday, December 14, 2006, 8:43pm; Reply: 18
How long have you been on all of these medications Janet?  When did you start thyroid meds?

Basically what it looks like to me is that the weight gain has less to do with diet and is more of a symptom of some underlying problems (same as the low thyroid and the fibromyalgia and back problem)  

These are all symptoms of something irritating your system.  Now the issue is what?

Could be diet issues, could be something eles.  My guess is that it is something eles but that requires your diet to be stricter than before.  See what I'm getting at?
Posted by: Janet, Thursday, December 14, 2006, 9:18pm; Reply: 19
I started on thyroid meds in 1994, I was tested because I was classed as 'tired all the time' (doctors refer to this a TAT, I saw it in my notes once).

Fosamax about 3 years ago. I had constant upper back pain after I had 2 fractures and also have a small hernia in the base of the neck - used to give me awful pain but not so much now. According to bone density scans, I'm still high on the charts but have this weakness in that area. I was taking a prescribed calcium supp but found it contained aspartame so stopped that and switched to one from the HFS.

Muscle relax for about 3 years, due to fibromyalgia. I find it very difficult to get quality sleep. This is aggrevated by hot flushes which have been very difficult to cope with....just in the 5th year... :'(

Regarding my diet, I somehow feel to go back to eating more or less as I did pre btd.
I admit that I didn't know that potatoes and wheat were bad for As but I never ate them because they upset me, made me feel bloated. Come to think about it, that is one of my probs...I easily feel bloated, you know, the stomach area.
I have done a salvia test for cortisol and DHEAS - both low. I had a good attempt at supps to help these but was given two things with ascorbic acid in, so had a mega prob with Candida. This has taken ages to clear.
I'm 5'7" and weigh (now) about 156lbs, not so much but more than I'm comfortable with.
I honestly don't feel I ever overeat, so don't think it's about portion size BUT just remembered I also take a cholesterol med but it's only 10mg every other day. I've always been told that I make too much and it could be in my genes. When I said I didn't want to start taking it, I was told it was important for further down the road!
Another thing occurs to me is that my iron level is too high. It is supposed to be between 37 -145. In March it was 165 and in October it was 168....could this be affecting me in any way I wonder  ??)



Posted by: Susana, Thursday, December 14, 2006, 9:36pm; Reply: 20
Is ascorbic acid bad for A's?

I have noticed that in the last two years, wheat and dairy make me gain weight when it did not before. I have always had these products and always maintained good weight.

It seems as if my metabolism is running slightly slower eventhough I have more muscle now.

How do your clothes fit? If they fit tighter you have gained fat. ::)

If I where you, I would have some protein for breakfast and have the cereal for dinner instead of the goat cheese. I do not know which one you have but semicured Spanish goat cheese... perhaps too much fat for an A. Actually, the "Fatigue" book has goat cheese as neutral infrequent... you might as well count it as avoid. ::)

How about lentils?

Also, have you noticed your veggies are mostly roots? How about some greens.

:K)
Posted by: Lola, Friday, December 15, 2006, 2:10am; Reply: 21
Janet,
I just made some 'bacalao' with salted cod and it turned out fine.
the trick is letting that salted cod soak for almost 2 days tops in clear water, and rinsing it every 8 hours or so.......
Posted by: Alia Vo, Friday, December 15, 2006, 2:40am; Reply: 22
Janet,

I made the observation that there are alot of neutral food items in your daily food plan.  In LR, Dr. D'Adamo states that individuals who are facing an illness or trying to lose weight, sticking to Tier diet is important and adding neutral foods should be used with caution.

Re-evaluate the neutrals you are eating and try filling them in with a benefical.  For instance, substitute a compliant soy cheese, if there is one available, for the goat cheese.

Alia
Posted by: Lola, Friday, December 15, 2006, 2:47am; Reply: 23
is there a soy cheese out there without gums?
Posted by: Alia Vo, Friday, December 15, 2006, 2:51am; Reply: 24
Personally, I have never seen any compliant soy cheese in any store I've visited.  

Perhaps use soy yogurt or try another food item besides the cheese.  Or make a dip from silken tofu in a blender and add spices, herbs, and other flavorings.

Alia
Posted by: Laura P, Friday, December 15, 2006, 3:00am; Reply: 25
I agree with Alia, I think you have a bunch of issues going on here that are making each other worse and the meds are not helping matters.  I would focus on beneficials and also re-evaluate your breakfest.  

What all is in your 'crunchy oat cereal' that sounds like sugar, sugar, sugar to me.  Why don't you have some good quality protien like eggs instead, also is your soy milk plain or sweetened.  Start looking at all the sources of hidden sugar in your diet, I think you would find quite a few.

I also think, as stated before it would be a good idea to eliminate grains for a while and focus more on beneficial starchy veggies
Posted by: Janet, Friday, December 15, 2006, 4:35pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from Susana
Is ascorbic acid bad for A's?

I have noticed that in the last two years, wheat and dairy make me gain weight when it did not before. I have always had these products and always maintained good weight.

It seems as if my metabolism is running slightly slower eventhough I have more muscle now.

How do your clothes fit? If they fit tighter you have gained fat. ::)

If I where you, I would have some protein for breakfast and have the cereal for dinner instead of the goat cheese. I do not know which one you have but semicured Spanish goat cheese... perhaps too much fat for an A. Actually, the "Fatigue" book has goat cheese as neutral infrequent... you might as well count it as avoid. ::)

How about lentils?

Also, have you noticed your veggies are mostly roots? How about some greens.

:K)


Hi Susana,
I think ascorbic acid is bad for anyone who can't tolerate it, I know Italybound and Victoria are in the same boat as me!! And I think we are all different B/Ts.
I think you may have something regarding metabolism, I'm sure that is one of my probs linked to the thyroid.
The semi cured goat cheese is probably a little high in fat compared with the diet cheese (dairy) I used to eat but I'm not a lover of cheese so I don't eat very much.
Lentils I like, and use them in soups.
Yes root veggies I like, I forgot to mention that I eat loads of broccoli.

Lola, thanks for the tip re cod.

Alia, thanks I'll recheck the bennie lists. Can't say I've come across any soya cheese here. The yogurt I eat has soya in it but is also dairy and I really like it; the actual soya one is quite disgusting, not at all like the ones I use to have in England, the goat ones were good too. Afraid I can't get into soya eg tofu, not much of a market for it here so not much available to even try.

Laura, the oat cereal is actually the best I've found, sure it has brown sugar and honey in it but believe me it's not sweet by any stretch of the imagination! And is better than the Kellogs Crunchy Nut Cornflakes that I ate pre btd  :D The soya milk is natural, don't care for the sweetened type.
Sometimes I have eggs for breakfast but why do they always make my mouth dry ??)
I can eliminate the grains but it so limits me.
Phew.......so much hard work!!!  ::)

Anyway thanks, I do appreciate everyones suggestions and willingness to help me. :K)



Posted by: Susana, Saturday, December 16, 2006, 7:45pm; Reply: 27
Pleasure  :)

:K)
Posted by: OSuzanna, Saturday, December 16, 2006, 8:38pm; Reply: 28
I know fine-tuning your BTD diet can be a lot of work, but it's SO worth it in the long run.
Here's some well-meant thoughts.
Ascorbic acid is derived mainly from corn - at least that's my limited understanding of the situation - and causes a lot of harm to a lot of people.
I feel for you being in an area where the food & supplement choices are such a big problem.
Try to research current info on gluten grains and the trouble they've caused the human race since they've taken a bigger & bigger place in our diets. The information is really disturbing, and it might turn out that you might reduce even more your relationship w/grains.
I find if I get more protein, I crave chocolate and cake-y stuff a lot less. (I know we're at different ends of the BTD spectrum.)
Forgive me, but your age range is going to be vulnerable to the pranks of hormones realigning, causing fatigue & other mischief as well.
Good luck, girl, you're fighting the good fight! Thank you for sharing, I learn so much from the questions & answers here!
ps -And I don't know about anyone else, but when I'm doing well with bennie-intense compliance, I have no sense of deprivation. That only starts when I dip my toe into the cheating pool, then here come the monster cravings!
All best. OS
Posted by: Janet, Saturday, December 16, 2006, 9:12pm; Reply: 29
Suzanna....You are so right about that 'cheating pool'....why do we do it? it's just not worth it.

Well, since last Saturday I tightened up and this morning I saw a 4 1/2lbs drop on the scales...very good but I need to keep going. So far I've completely kept away from chocolate although the opportunities were there, I feel fairly convinced that the added magnesium that Italybound suggested may be hepling with that craving.
You are right about the hormone probs, my husband too will be relieved when I get to the other end of this menopause!!!

I can see and have really always known that carbs are difficult for me to handle, so just need to watch that more closely.

Just like to tell you how much I enjoy reading your blogs, they are a great blessing!!
Posted by: Janet, Sunday, December 17, 2006, 9:35pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from Alia_Vo
Janet,

I made the observation that there are alot of neutral food items in your daily food plan.  In LR, Dr. D'Adamo states that individuals who are facing an illness or trying to lose weight, sticking to Tier diet is important and adding neutral foods should be used with caution.

Re-evaluate the neutrals you are eating and try filling them in with a benefical.  For instance, substitute a compliant soy cheese, if there is one available, for the goat cheese.

Alia


Well after one week and after evaluating exactly what has been eaten, I kept a list of everything...I can see that the only beneficals were salmon (1/2 tin), veggies and nuts. Everything else were neutrals and one avoid - lamb.
So am looking into that but doesn't look promising as I just don't like fish!!
However, not all doom and gloom...I shed 4 1/2lbs.  ;D

Best of all, no craving for chocolate!! could this be the magnesium supp??


Posted by: Alia Vo, Monday, December 18, 2006, 1:34am; Reply: 31
Janet,
If it's helpful for you, keeping track of what you eat is a good way to observe what you truthfully consume within a week.  It's easy to underestimate how many neutrals one eats or how many hidden avoids slip into meals.  

The salmon and nuts are a good start for the beneficial foods.  Slowly replace your neutrals with beneficials whenever you get the opportunity.  Make small goals such as adding a beneficial vegetable to every lunch and dinner meal, or trying a new 'greens' once a week.  I think eventually your body will start craving beneficial foods once you start eating them on a regular basis.

I believe others on this forum have stated that a craving for chocolate is related to a magnesium deficiency.  I can not help you out more specifically with this subject as I rarely ever eat chocolate.

Alia
Posted by: Janet, Monday, December 18, 2006, 5:46pm; Reply: 32
Question for Laura...
Why exactly do you say that you are refraining from secreting?? Just got me wondering.....
Posted by: Laura P, Monday, December 18, 2006, 7:55pm; Reply: 33
I have many non-secreting tendencies, possibly an A2, plus I do very well with lamb and some other non-secretor foods.
Posted by: Janet, Monday, December 18, 2006, 7:59pm; Reply: 34
Well, to be honest I don't have any probs with lamb/goat either and tomato would be a neutral...I struggle without tomatoes.
Posted by: Laura P, Monday, December 18, 2006, 8:18pm; Reply: 35
That is what individuality is all about, lamb makes me feel good, in no way bothers me so I say, I eat lamb
Posted by: Alia Vo, Tuesday, December 19, 2006, 1:47am; Reply: 36
Individuality is a huge part of this lifestyle.  Even though several A's have responded to this thread, I am positive that we each eat very differently.  

I have not had my A subgroups tested.  Although I am a secretor, I have challenges with dometic mushrooms which are suppose to be beneficial for me, and neutral for non-secretors.  I think I may have some challenges with corn, too.  I have not eaten corn in a long time, so I can't remember how I specifically react to it.

I have periodically played with the thoughts that I should abstain both secretor and non-secretor avoids.

Alia
Posted by: Laura P, Tuesday, December 19, 2006, 1:56am; Reply: 37
corn and domestic mushrooms are also bad for me
Posted by: Janet, Tuesday, December 19, 2006, 8:26am; Reply: 38
Quoted from Alia_Vo


I have periodically played with the thoughts that I should abstain both secretor and non-secretor avoids.

Alia


That's an interesting thought Alia. Do you mean you'd just eat what you felt good with?? (as a trial I mean).
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, December 19, 2006, 7:21pm; Reply: 39
It sounds like she is saying she will still follow the A sec. diet, but eliminate both secretor and nonnie avoids.
Posted by: Alia Vo, Wednesday, December 20, 2006, 2:53am; Reply: 40
Yes, Victoria is correct.  I follow the secretor diet, and I want to cover all of my avoid bases.  

Quite accidentaaly, I've learned through trial and experientation by eating foods that I thought were safe for me; some of the nonnie foods have given me problems.

Alia
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