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Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Sunday, December 10, 2006, 8:45pm
I take a "lotta " magnesium....I like its effect...it helps me relax at night and has a salutory effect on my regularity. I don't always even take my calcium....but I try to take it daily. Someone said you shouldn't take mag without cal.....but no one knew why. So,. I'm asking again. Why?
Here's what I take. 300 cal citrate or 500, depending which brand I take. in morn.
mag, 2 tabs at425 mg mag malate plus malic acid 2.5 gr.  plus the 150 mg of mag in my cal supp. So my mag outweighs my cal by 300%, when I remember to take my cal.
why do I do this? because I had a small kidney stone last yr. and was told not to supp w/cal.
Posted by: KimonoKat, Sunday, December 10, 2006, 8:59pm; Reply: 1
Not all cacliums are created equal, or work the same in your body.  The reason you developed a calcium stone (I grew a huge one over 20 years ago and I take Dr. D's Phytocal now.) is probably because your body is not able to properly assimilate (sp?) the calcium you do take.  If you take an inorganic or non-herbal source of calcium, you need to supplement with a digestive enzyme, preferrably HCl when you take it.  Helps your body to break it down and utilize it more effectively.

It's the same for individuals who develop bone spurs.  They are not able to hold onto the calcium they do have, so it leaches out and spurs form.
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Sunday, December 10, 2006, 9:06pm; Reply: 2
thank you so much,KK! Now how about the ratio I am using? 3 to 1 Mag/cal?
Posted by: KimonoKat, Sunday, December 10, 2006, 10:24pm; Reply: 3
I'm not well versed on ratios.  The better person(s) to ask would probably be MoDon or mikeo.

I'm not quite clear.  What function is the magnesium serving for you?  Personally, I wouldn't do more than a 50-50 balance; but then again, I don't have your health issues, so, you may need that much magnesium.  Sorry I can't be more help.

Posted by: italybound, Sunday, December 10, 2006, 10:59pm; Reply: 4
Calcium serves the role of contracting muscle, while magnesium, relaxes.  There are different opinions on how much to take. Some say 50/50, some say 2:1, calcium/magnesium respectively.
Here's a very interesting site re: minerals.
http://www.acu-cell.com/acn.html
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, December 10, 2006, 11:32pm; Reply: 5
great informative link on minerals and their interaction IB, thanks! )
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, December 10, 2006, 11:35pm; Reply: 6
here s what blogger Kate once wrote on behalf of cal/mag:

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If using the Cal/Mag together does not work, try JUST magnesium.  Magnesium is necessary for many, many functions in the body (as is calcium), Calcium and magnesium are very similar ions and tend to counteract each other.  Calcium helps contract muscles, magnesium helps relax them.  Therefore, taking them together for muscle relaxation is futile.
I doubt calcium alone will help your legs - calcium is used for muscle contraction.  Instead, you should use magnesium, which does the opposite (muscle relaxation).  Try about 200-300mg before bed and increase if you need to up to the point that it begins to soften your stool.

Remember people, calcium during the day (when you need to contract your muscles to move) and magnesium at night (when you need them to relax).
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Sunday, December 10, 2006, 11:39pm; Reply: 7
Wow, IB, that site was awesome. Not that it made the situation that clear...but it seems that the ratio is not that important...and it did say too much mag could be dangerous...didn't say why, but a lot (whole lot) of info there!! thanks.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Monday, December 11, 2006, 10:18am; Reply: 8
Should one always take magnesium  when one takes calcium???
My 12 yo O takes :900 mg calcium citrate with 10 ug vi. D3 every day- but does not get any magnesium.
I thought that it was mainly the Bīs that need magneium due to their dairy consumption.
I take 600 mg combined  of magnesium chelate and oxide
- should I include 300 mg for her as well ?
Her diet is pretty good and rather high in magnesium- including our drinking water which have rather alot of magnesium.
Posted by: trish44, Monday, December 11, 2006, 4:19pm; Reply: 9
Great link IB, I am finding it very interesting!
Posted by: Melissa_J, Monday, December 11, 2006, 6:08pm; Reply: 10
I have no idea why, but when I take just magnesium, my eyelid twitches, I have to take it with calcium, but any ratio of the two seems to work with my symptoms.
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