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Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 1:10am
If I understand this correctly, whey is the culprit on why so many of us A's shouldn't be eating cow dairy. Is whey the only evil? According to the typebase, whole fat yogurt, ricotta, and mozzerella cheese is neutral, but cottage cheese is an avoid.

There is a cottage cheese made by Nancy's that contains beneficial bacteria (such that is found in yogurt) that is also made from cow milk and cream. Is it an avoid because of the whey or is there another reason. I know that many brands of cottage cheese are made with other avoids such as gums, etc. but not Nancy's. It's also rennetless.

Thoughts? Comments? I'm looking for another easy protein source besides eggs, nuts, legumes, seeds, fish, turkey, (the usual). But I also don't want to add poundage.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 1:13am; Reply: 1
you can place the cottage cheese in a colander and let the rest of the whey drain off.
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 1:20am; Reply: 2
Casien, the main protein in milk, is also a type A avoid.
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 1:41am; Reply: 3
Quoted from ironwood55
Casien, the main protein in milk, is also a type A avoid.


But how does this fit in with yogurt, ricotta, and mozzarella being neutral? Does the process of making these items take the casein out?
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 2:13am; Reply: 4
make sure it s free of casein when you purchase the dairy, as well as caragenan and gums.....
Posted by: zola, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 2:22am; Reply: 5
whey is neutral for type A nonseccies. since we're iced/snowed in i made cocoa with it instead of soymilk. It was passable.

cottage cheese is neutral for A nons as well. It does tend to be high in sodium which I avoid because I am sodium (salt) sensitive.
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 3:16am; Reply: 6
Quoted from lola
make sure it s free of casein when you purchase the dairy


How will I know? The ingredients of Nancy's cottage cheese are: skim milk, cream, non-fat milk powder, L. acidophilus, B. Bifidum, and 4 strains of lactic cultures, salt.

It doesn't say casein free, but it also doesn't contain gums. Is there such a beast as casein free cottage cheese?
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 3:24am; Reply: 7
then you are off to a good start! )

if it had it, it would be listed I believe!
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 3:30am; Reply: 8
Casien is the protein part of the milk. It doesn't have to be listed separately.
Posted by: Laura P, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 3:56am; Reply: 9
Hey Drea-

Nancy's cottage cheese is fabulous I eat it on occassion.  It is one of the few pasturized dairy products that I can and will eat. The thing with Nancy's is that it basically is yogurt. It is not really cottage cheese in the way that 'cottage cheese is typically defined' this is because the whole shabang is fermented like you would a yogurt, with similar cultures.

Nancy's is a good company that gets its milk from small local farms and their cultures are very good quality
Posted by: Laura P, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 3:57am; Reply: 10
Quoted from lola
make sure it s free of casein when you purchase the dairy, as well as caragenan and gums.....


Lola, no milk product is casin free, if you are eating dairy you are getting casin, except for yogurt and butter (even though butter still has a bit of casein)

Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 4:09am; Reply: 11
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive7/config.pl?read=35454

make sure the label or ingredient listing states 'casein free'.....

the food lists pretty much show us what goes and what should be avoided, right?
Posted by: Laura P, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 4:45am; Reply: 12
What i'm saying is that it is impossible for it to be casein free, no dairy is casein free anything that comes from a cow, goat, sheep whatever has casein that is the protien in it, lactose is the sugar and then there is the fat.  Yogurt is not casein free, mozzerella cheese is not casein free, NO DAIRY is casein free
Posted by: jsgrierson (Guest), Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 5:38am; Reply: 13
Quoted from lkpetrolino
What i'm saying is that it is impossible for it to be casein free, no dairy is casein free anything that comes from a cow, goat, sheep whatever has casein that is the protien in it, lactose is the sugar and then there is the fat.  Yogurt is not casein free, mozzerella cheese is not casein free, NO DAIRY is casein free


Laura this was an issue that I raised with Heidi on the old forum some years ago as I share the logic of your argument as above. If I remember rightly, her response was that the fermentation outweighed the negativity of the casein, or that it actually altered the casein. Either way I had let it ride, and used yoghurt consistently for the ensuing years. Don't know what the current logic is but would like an authority to rule on it.
Cheers,
Jenny
Posted by: juppy (Guest), Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 5:50am; Reply: 14
Hi

Im very new to this lifestyle.  I only found about blood type diets 2 days ago and have been reading ever since.

I am O type.

my question is regarding whey and casein protein powders as i am a bodybuilder who relys alot on these powders before and after training. i have read that O types should avoid whey. Does this carry over to the protein powders and they also should be avoided?

Thanks
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 1:44pm; Reply: 15
Welcome juppy,

Yes, I recommend that you avoid the whey and casein based protein powders. Use egg white and/or rice protein powder instead and just up your whole food sources of protein such as red meat.

Take a look at NAP's type O protein powder:
PROTEIN BLEND 4 ' O' 1lb

PROTEIN BLEND 4 ' O' Single Pack Size (12-Pack)
Posted by: apositive, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 2:19pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from outdoordrea
But how does this fit in with yogurt, ricotta, and mozzarella being neutral? Does the process of making these items take the casein out?


I don't know for sure . . . but agree that casein is part of the milk and thus not listed separately, nor can those neutrals - yogurt, ricotta, mozzarella - be rendered casein free.  My guess would be that the status has something to do with how much casein is precipitated out in processing these foods and thus how concentrated casein is in the final product; also there may be other factors in these foods that balance out any negative effect of the casein.

Clear as mud, huh?
Posted by: juppy (Guest), Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 2:43pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from ironwood55
Welcome juppy,

Yes, I recommend that you avoid the whey and casein based protein powders. Use egg white and/or rice protein powder instead and just up your whole food sources of protein such as red meat.

Take a look at NAP's type O protein powder:
PROTEIN BLEND 4 ' O' 1lb

PROTEIN BLEND 4 ' O' Single Pack Size (12-Pack)


thanks for the links! however i have read that eggs are also not that great for O types?

What sort of affects/reactions would an o type normally expect from whey and casein proteins?
Posted by: Debra+, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 2:53pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from juppy



thanks for the links! however i have read that eggs are also not that great for O types?
What sort of affects/reactions would an o type normally expect from whey and casein proteins?


Eggs ARE okay for O's.  They are a neutral.  The NAP protein powder is great in a smoothie or mixed in with some Harmonia in a pinch.  Like MoDon says...just up your intake of red meat at other meals.  

Reactions to dairy...skin crawling itchiness which turns into flaky scales, left arm power point goes nuts, irritable, don't sleep very well...

Debra :)

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 2:56pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from juppy
...i have read that eggs are also not that great for O types?

Welcome, juppy!  FYI, even though eggs are technically neutral, I think they are actually towards the beneficial side of the neutral spectrum for us O's.  Why?  Because they are such a very high-quality protein source.  Of course, I'm talking about whole eggs and not egg protein powder, although I do think the egg protein powders are among the best protein powders for O's.  But if you will simply boil yourself up a passel of hard-boiled eggs, these make great, natural, portable protein packages to take along to work or wherever.

You can also add raw egg to smoothies, etc., however there is a concern about salmonella with raw eggs.

Anyway, I think eggs are a neutral that is poised precariously near the border of being beneficial, myself.
:)

Posted by: BuzyBee, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 3:39pm; Reply: 20
You know, it is hard to find products without either casein or caregenan. Most of the soy products have one or the other. It makes it extremely hard to find the "perfect product" out there. I don't do cows milk of any sort(due to the severe lactose problem) so I rely on the soy, almond, or rice products to eat. I would say 95% of the nondairy products have casein or caregenan in them. I seem to handle that better than the reg. milk so that is the route I go.

Unless companies find another suitable substitute they will continue using the casein & caregenan. I believe they are thickeners to make the product more thicker and less watery.
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 4:05pm; Reply: 21
BuzyBee, I bought a cookbook called The Ultimate Uncheese Cookbook by Joanne Stepaniak that you may want to look into.

I haven't made any of the recipes yet, but I've been in moving limbo for sometime.
Posted by: Laura P, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 5:40pm; Reply: 22
When I was a vegan I loved the "how it all vegan" series of cookbooks, still use some of the recipes now, really a great book
Posted by: BuzyBee, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 6:05pm; Reply: 23
Drea, thanks for sharing the book. I will have to check it out. I have tested lots of recipes and am willing to try more. I use nutritional yeast alot. Make a alfredo sauce that is fantastic over spelt noodles. Steam some broccoli and add small pieces of stirfry chicken. MMMMMMmmmmmm good. I am getting hungry just thinking about it.
Posted by: Don, Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 7:02pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from BuzyBee
You know, it is hard to find products without either casein or caregenan.

That is just one of many reasons that I don't buy many food products anymore. I buy mainly whole foods.

Posted by: jsgrierson (Guest), Wednesday, November 29, 2006, 7:27pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from apositive


I don't know for sure . . . but agree that casein is part of the milk and thus not listed separately, nor can those neutrals - yogurt, ricotta, mozzarella - be rendered casein free.  My guess would be that the status has something to do with how much casein is precipitated out in processing these foods and thus how concentrated casein is in the final product; also there may be other factors in these foods that balance out any negative effect of the casein.

Clear as mud, huh?

I think this is the sort of argument that Heidi was using as aforementioned.
Jenny

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