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Posted by: Christine_Gaudette (Guest), Thursday, November 16, 2006, 10:28pm
I have been doing the Eat right for Blood type for awhile.  I am not eating wheat.  I am eating vegetables, proteins, fats, etc.  for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.  I really do not have much of an appetite.  I am not overweight and have lost weight.  I weight 123.  I should weigh about 127.  I eat 120z of protein a day.  I do not know what I am doing wrong.  I have hashimotos.  I am taking 25mcg. of synthroid.  I was eating 15 oz of protein and got dehydrated.  I have been drinking lots of water which has helped.  I was taking extra vitiamins.  Type O daily, collinsonia, proberry, and B12.  I do not feel as good as I use to...
Any  comments?
Posted by: Don, Thursday, November 16, 2006, 10:33pm; Reply: 1
Do you have any hyperthyroid symptoms in addition to losing weight? If so, maybe you need to have your synthroid dosage adjusted/lowered.

How do you not feel good? Can you describe it?
Posted by: Brighid45, Thursday, November 16, 2006, 11:18pm; Reply: 2
I'm certainly not a doctor, but 25mcg of synthroid is a good-sized dose. You might want to see  your doctor and have bloodwork done--your levothyroxine might need to be adjusted down somewhat.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, November 17, 2006, 1:04am; Reply: 3
do you get organic meat?
Posted by: Alia Vo, Friday, November 17, 2006, 3:34am; Reply: 4
Are you participating in some form of exercise recommended for your blood type and are you following any lifestyle strategies/guidelines as suggested for blood type O's?

I believe these precepts of the BTD lifestyle are important for overall health, energy, and vitality; albeit eating the correct foods is the foundation.

Alia
Posted by: mikeo, Friday, November 17, 2006, 3:40pm; Reply: 5
sounds like you need to lower your medication maybe due to the fact the diet is helping your thyroid function more normally. Hashimoto is a Hypothyroid disorder...so the medication would help to up regulate your thyroid...maybe you are taking to much now...I quote Dr D..."Initially thyroid therapy will boost the metabolic rate and improve the condition. However by increasing energy and placing more stress on an already over stressed system, eventually, misprescribed thyroid therapy will leave the individual in a worst state"
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, November 17, 2006, 4:34pm; Reply: 6
I agree with Brig and Mike.  Perhaps now that the O diet is helping to regulate your thyroid naturally through diet, what was previously a good dose of medication for you is now too high.  The only way to find out is to get checked out by your doctor.

btw, who told you that you should weigh "about 127"?  123 is only four pounds less than 127, so it seems to me that you are indeed at "about 127".  I would think that probably means you should be within 5 pounds on either side of 127.  But again, if you get checked out by the doctor, see what s/he says about the weight being 123.  I would kill someone to be 123, personally, but I do realize it is a tad lower than what is considered within my ideal range.  I should ideally be 126 at the low end of the range.  Anyway, what I'm saying is that if 127 is the middle of your range, a.k.a., 127 is the exact point you should ideally be at, then 123, imho, is fine, as it is only 4 lbs less.  However, if 127 is the low-end of your ideal range, then 123 is a tad low but still only 4 lbs less than what you should be and studies show that being a tad underweight is actually healthy.  However, I think Brig and Mike are on to something and that the BTD is a powerful regulator and balancer of anything and everything in our bodies that might be out of balance.  It has probably helped your thyroid function and now your medication could be a tad too much, so I do urge you to get it rechecked with your doctor.
:)
Posted by: Jane, Friday, November 17, 2006, 5:14pm; Reply: 7
25 mcg isn't really much (I take 150 mcg plus some T3) but it may be too much for you.  I suggest you discuss it with your doctor.  Are you having symptoms which would indicate that you are hyperthyroid - palpitations, etc.  Otherwise I'd just suggest what Dr. D advised which is, in your case, to increase the good carbs, rice, sweet potatoes, etc.  Like PT, I'd love to have that problem.
Jane
Posted by: Ben_Lamers (Guest), Friday, November 17, 2006, 5:14pm; Reply: 8
get rid of all the vitamins. you sound like you do great with your food. i did bad on too much pills so stopped all of them got better few weeks later
Posted by: Jane, Friday, November 17, 2006, 5:22pm; Reply: 9
I just reread your post.  I don't think it's the supplements.  I think it's the Hashimotos.  You may need to be careful with some of the vegetables that you are eating that can affect your thyroid.  Don't eat raw broccoli, for example.  
Jane
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Friday, November 17, 2006, 10:11pm; Reply: 10
You should be able to enjoy fats, nuts, ghee, etc.
Posted by: Christine_Gaudette (Guest), Saturday, November 18, 2006, 5:31am; Reply: 11
Thank you so much.  I have worked with a nutritionist for 15 years, 10 of which has been the same person.  I have been out of touch with her for a couple of months.  She just reviewed my food plan.  She did feel that my proteins were too high.  She said when this happens without enough carbs  the protein is inefficient and does not metabolize enough.  I have been without really any carbs.  She suggested that I include some each day.  Last week, my kidneys were hurting.  Since I have been drinking more water and cut down protein and adding some carbs, I feel more balanced.  My sister  has hashimotos and she takes 100mcg.  She said my 25mcg is nothing.  I was just checked again while I have been eating this way and my Tsh and stuff was still elevated so I do not think the 25 is affecting me in a negative way.  He even incresased my dose to 37mcg.  This amount did put me over the top.  I talked with my nurse practioner and requested a complete metabolic profile and any other nutritional info. to see if I am lacking anything.  I did stop taking supplements just in case this is adding to my problem.  Oh yeah, too high a protein could be leading to my not gaining weight if I am using it inefficiently.  Also, my nutritionist said that thyroid problems do make it harder for people to regulate weight.  Whoever suggested to include more good carbs, thank you.  I feel that I do not want to go back to wheat, but not having any or 1-2 times a week is not working for me either.  I have to find a balance.
Thank you all for your comments.
I must comment that I am so grateful for this program...I was taking ritalin for 15 years and I am know taking B12 and folic acid successfully due to Dr. Dadamo.
Posted by: italybound, Saturday, November 18, 2006, 5:41am; Reply: 12
Quoted from Christine_Gaudette
Whoever suggested to include more good carbs, thank you.  I feel that I do not want to go back to wheat, but not having any or 1-2 times a week is not working for me either.  I have to find a balance.
I must comment that I am so grateful for this program...I was taking ritalin for 15 years and I am know taking B12 and folic acid successfully due to Dr. Dadamo.


Christine, when they say carbs, that doesn't necessarily mean grain carbs. By far you would be better off getting your carbs from veggies and then fruits.
Congrats on getting off the Ritalin. I dare say, you prob feel much better for having been able to do so.  Is the B12 and folic acid what you are taking 'in place of' the Ritalin?  
:)

Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, November 18, 2006, 6:33am; Reply: 13
parsnips, pumpkin, sweet potato, carrot, . .
Are there other carb veggie suggestions for her from you O's?

And beneficial fruits . .
bananas, prunes, mango, . .
Posted by: Christine_Gaudette (Guest), Saturday, November 18, 2006, 2:26pm; Reply: 14
Thank you.  NOt to get off the subject, but yes B12 is replace of ritalin.  And ritalin helped a great deal, but B12 last longer.  As for the weight issue, I have a range from 125-135, but I do best around 127-130.  When my weight gets too low, I can not sleep wel...I always stay cold etc.  
I have weighed and measured my food for 15 years and have maintained my weight for that long except during pregnancy.  So when I am eating 15 oz of protein, 10 oz of raw veg, 8-16 oz cooked, 2 ounces of nuts, 6-10 tablespoons of oils, and 2-3 fruits and do not gain weight...something is wrong...that  is a lot of food!
Posted by: Christine_Gaudette (Guest), Saturday, November 18, 2006, 2:27pm; Reply: 15
I am eating bananas and some sweet potatoes too.  
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, November 18, 2006, 7:05pm; Reply: 16
I also do not gain weight as long as I do not add grains and legumes to my diet.....


by grains Os can have other choices besides wheat and corn....
there are a lot of good grain choices for you, if ever you want to add some grains in your diet.
Posted by: italybound, Monday, November 20, 2006, 4:07pm; Reply: 17
Christine, I have to wonder if you should have your thyroid rechecked. What tests did they do? If you don't know, would you mind calling the doctor and getting copies? (sunny)
Posted by: Christine_Gaudette (Guest), Tuesday, November 21, 2006, 1:35am; Reply: 18
I have to tell you I have added some good grains to my diet.  I am not eating wheat or corn to my diet.  I am having spelt and ezekiel bread.  I tried getting carbs from veggies and fruit but it is not enough.  I have already gained 1 pound after eating a couple of grains each day.  I have not gained anything in 5 months when I was just eating protein, vege., fruits, and fats.  I followed that suggestion from someone on here of no grains.  It does not work for me.  I am completely compliant to this.  I do not drink alcohol, no refined sugar for 15 years.  I use to have 12 grains a day.  I went to no grains.  I am not going to that many, but 2-3 a day is a good balance to me.  For example, for breakfast I had 3 eggs, 4 0z of mushrooms, onions, and spinach, 1 spelt tortilla, some butter.  It felt more complete and whole to me.  For lunch, I had broccoli chicken, 1/3 cup or rice, and snack banana, 1 ounce of walnuts, dinner 4 oz of chicken, 8 oz of broccoli, carrots, onions, zuchini, ginger, garlic, olive oil, and a sweet potato.  I will have some juice and nuts for bedtime snack.  I do not think this is overdoing anything, but more balanced.  My body could not take another day of 15 oz of protein, 16 oz of vege. and 2 oz of fats, etc.   And for the person who asked about my thyroid, I had my jT3, T4, and TSH checked.  It went back to normal after I added back some grains.  It could be a coincidence, but as I was told too much protein can throw off your metabolism and therefore medicine is not metabolized right either.  I will be getting it checked in 8 weeks again.  Thank you so much for your support.  A side note...I am giving the encyclodia of illnesses for eat right to two doctors who I have been talking to...
Posted by: jayney-O (Guest), Tuesday, November 21, 2006, 2:18am; Reply: 19
Great idea (the books for docs)!! Interesting thread....your diet sounds great.
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, November 21, 2006, 2:27am; Reply: 20
Christine, your diet sounds very healthy.  If you feel better eating some grains, and you are choosing compliant ones, then enjoy them!  The people who have cut out grains and thrive on that diet are people who don't feel well, or can't digest grains, or gain weight too much on them.  It's an individualized lifestyle, after all.  And you are a secretor, which gives you a bit more grains anyway.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, November 21, 2006, 3:01pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from Christine_Gaudette
I have to tell you I have added some good grains to my diet.  I am not eating wheat or corn to my diet.  I am having spelt and ezekiel bread.  I tried getting carbs from veggies and fruit but it is not enough.  I have already gained 1 pound after eating a couple of grains each day.  I have not gained anything in 5 months when I was just eating protein, vege., fruits, and fats.  I followed that suggestion from someone on here of no grains.  It does not work for me.

If you are a secretor, the grain-free spectrum of the O diet may not be for you.  I am one (don't know if I'm THE one you refer to, though) who has recently gone grain-free and been posting about it on the board, but I'm a non-secretor.  I think when we read the experiences of other posters on this board, it is always good to filter what they say through our own ABO and secretor type lenses so that we ask ourselves, does this really apply to me?  That said, a lot of Type O secretors do better going grain-free, too, but they may be, as Laura P puts it, "Secretors Lite", closer to nonnies.  For you, as an O secretor, and someone who has experienced getting thinner than she likes going grain-free (and I see what you mean now that you said you get too cold, etc...you are right, that is probably a bit too thin for you, then, and good for you for listening to your body's communiques to you), you have now figured out firsthand that you do better with a bit of compliant grains in your diet.  That's the thing about a customized, individualized diet--we do have to go through some trial and error as we go along, to get and keep it "tuned" just right for us as an individual.

I would suggest that quinoa, rice, rye and 100% sprouted wheat (a.k.a., true ezekiel bread, but read labels to make sure they don't contain unsprouted wheat as well) are the best grain choices for you.  I would personally stay away from spelt, I say that to all O's, but it is considered neutral for O secretors, so take my advice with a grain of salt.  I personally think spelt is basically the same as regular wheat.  So go with sprouted wheat (ezekiel) bread instead, or better yet, a sprouted rye or regular rye.  The best Type O grains are quinoa and rice (whole rice is best--processed rice products are high on the glycemic index and can set off cravings for carbs, I find).  In general, the "wholer" the grain, the better for O's.  Refinement is the enemy *lol*!

Best of luck to you and keep on doing such a great job of listening to your body's signals and fine tuning the diet for you--you are firmly on the right track!

Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, November 21, 2006, 3:14pm; Reply: 22
P.S.  Pros and cons of various compliant Type O grains I mentioned above:

Rice:

Pros:  contains no gluten.  Very well tolerated by O's.

Cons:  High on glycemic index (especially if not in whole form), can trigger overeating carbs, can trigger weight gain (not a prob for you *lol*, you might put that in your pro column!).  Your best bet is whole, brown rice.

Quinoa:

Pros:  this is probably the best grain for O's and not a true grain at all (which would explain it *lol*).  It is secretly a seed (yay for seeds and their chi/life force!).  It is high in protein and has "complete" protein or nearly so.  It is gluten-free.  It does not seem to trigger carb cravings.

Cons:  Not very widespread in the USA's food supply, you would have to make your own foods with it, as you don't really find pure quinoa bread, for example.  The HFS does have quinoa "oatmeal" substitutes and other cool things.  Check it out.

Rye:

Pros:  100% rye bread/toast is very delicious and satisfying.  High in fiber.  Good wheat substitute for breads.
Cons:  contains gluten.  Can trigger carb cravings, weight gain.

SPROUTED wheat:

Pros:  Sprouted wheat is a live food containing beneficial enzymes, etc.  High in fiber.  Delicious, satisfying bread.

Cons:  Sprouting destroys "virtually" all the wheat lectins in wheat, but a few strong, rogue ones MIGHT survive.  If one is really sensitive to wheat, you might want to choose sprouted rye instead, for example.  Very hard to find a true 100% sprouted wheat bread on the market.  Virtually all brands also contain regular, unsprouted wheat.  Consumer must very VERY wary and careful about reading labels.  Contains gluten--sprouting doesn't destroy that.
Posted by: Christine_Gaudette (Guest), Tuesday, November 21, 2006, 7:46pm; Reply: 23
Thank you so much for listening to me.  I really do feel more satisfied.  I feel I am on right track.  I just ordered a complete metabolic test from my nurse practioner.  It will help me see if I am out of balance somewhere.  I will look into the other grains suggested.  It is going to take me some time to gain the weight after these adjustments.  Thank you for your feedback to listen to my body because it is trying to tell me something.  I will report back in a few weeks because I will be seeing my endroconologists and talking to my nutritionists.  Then I will have my numbers back on my Tsh levels.  Everyone have a wonderful thanksgiving.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, November 21, 2006, 8:08pm; Reply: 24
wow! PT!

that was quite an essay on compliant grains for Os!
thanks! )
Posted by: geminisue, Tuesday, November 21, 2006, 8:32pm; Reply: 25
Yes, Very informative and very helpful, thank You
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, November 22, 2006, 7:40pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from Christine_Gaudette
Thank you so much for listening to me...Thank you for your feedback to listen to my body because it is trying to tell me something...Everyone have a wonderful thanksgiving.

You have a wonderful Thanksgiving, too!
Quoted from Lola
wow! PT!

that was quite an essay on compliant grains for Os!
thanks! )

Quoted from geminisue
Yes, Very informative and very helpful, thank You

:D De nada!
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