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Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 2:56am
General Description:

Breads that are free of gluten, usually containing soy meal, rice meal, buckwheat, or other gluten free grains, but typically not wheat.


Does this mean that I can still eat this bread even though
BUCKWHEAT is an avoid for me ??!!
At times it can get very confusing
??) :-/

Thank-u very much  ;D
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 4:04am; Reply: 1
look for sprouted grain breads only making sure the grains are compliant for your type.

for example, eating rye manna wouldn t be an option for you.
Posted by: Don, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 4:22am; Reply: 2
For any food product make the decision if it is ok to eat based on reading and evaluating each item in the ingredients list. If the ingredients list includes an avoid item then it is up to you to decide if you want to eat the food product.

The problem is that so many food products have avoids in them.
Posted by: Brenna, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 8:14am; Reply: 3
Does anyone have a recipe for B-compliant bread?
Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 1:46pm; Reply: 4
Quoted from lola
look for sprouted grain breads only making sure the grains are compliant for your type.

for example, eating rye manna wouldn t be an option for you.


Ooooooh really ???
I thought with sprouted bread the kernel was somehow NOT harmful since it was sprouted ... hmmmmm
Then whats the point of eating Manna (sprouted bread) versus regular bread ??LOL

I still have alot of to learn !! :'(
Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 1:50pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from ironwood55
For any food product make the decision if it is ok to eat based on reading and evaluating each item in the ingredients list. If the ingredients list includes an avoid item then it is up to you to decide if you want to eat the food product.

The problem is that so many food products have avoids in them.



Thank-u for that ... U said it right on actually !!!
Eating has become such a stressful event !!!
That fact alone isn't good for us ...  ::) :-/
Posted by: apositive, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 1:56pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from LISALEA
I thought with sprouted bread the kernel was somehow NOT harmful since it was sprouted ... hmmmmm
Then whats the point of eating Manna (sprouted bread) versus regular bread ??LOL


Not sure exactly what was meant, but, for one thing, sprouting will not eliminate all the gluten in the rye kernel.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 1:57pm; Reply: 7
And the rye is not a good option for B´s I think ! not even if sprouted.
Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 2:00pm; Reply: 8
That's true and thank-u to all (as usual) for ur kindness and dedication shown here in order to constantly try to help and guide  ... I appreciate it :) !!
Posted by: yaman, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 2:09pm; Reply: 9
Apositive,

sprouting destroys the lectins, not the gluten..

Henriette,

rye manna is beneficial for B's, my son loves it.

Spelt bread is another option for B's..

Cheers,
Yaman
Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 2:12pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from yaman
Apositive,

sprouting destroys the lectins, not the gluten..

Henriette,

rye manna is beneficial for B's, my son loves it.

Spelt bread is another option for B's..

Cheers,
Yaman





rye manna for B'S ???????
I just checked for rye and it says it's an avoid unfortunately ???

??) :-/
Posted by: yaman, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 2:13pm; Reply: 11
Lisalea,

Please check "essene/manna" bread under grains.
Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 3:30pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from yaman
Lisalea,

Please check "essene/manna" bread under grains.




I will and I thank-u  ;D
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 4:41pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from LISALEA
Thank-u for that ... U said it right on actually !!!
Eating has become such a stressful event !!!
That fact alone isn't good for us ...  ::) :-/

Sweetie, eating should not generally* be a stressful event with the BTD!  Just the opposite, it should be a nourishing, delicious, rejuvenating pleasure.  There are no calories, carbs or fat grams to count and nothing to weigh and measure on this diet.  All one has to do is select foods from the beneficial (yay!) and neutral (okay!) lists, and avoids foods from the avoid (boo!  hiss!) list.  If you do what MoDon suggests and learn to read the small print on the ingredients list as almost a reflex action, then you will always understand just what you are getting into and you can choose wisely.  Sometimes something might have one or two ingredients out of 15 that you might think are minor avoids, such as a spice like cinnamon or something, and you might decide it will be no problem.  Other times, the one avoid in there is WHEAT and that would render it Problem Central (for O types like me, anyway...for B's that one problem ingredient might be chicken).  You will learn what is a big deal and what isn't for you over time, but I don't like to hear that you are feeling stress over this diet because that is soooooooooooooooo not what the BTD is about and you don't have to have that experience if you familiarize yourself as best you can with your type's food lists and then read ingredients labels.  And as you gain experience and time on this diet you will find out which avoids are major for you and which are no big deal.

So...no more stressing over it, that's an order!  Even though it can be hard to stick to the BTD in this decidedly non-BTD world, if you familiarize yourself with your beneficial, neutral and avoid foods and then read ingredients labels, you will have all the tools you need to do so, relatively stress-free!

* unless eating out, in which case all bets are off and often, despite our BEST efforts, it does become a challenge--but let's not go there for the moment!

Posted by: apositive, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 4:53pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from yaman
Apositive,

sprouting destroys the lectins, not the gluten..



Exactly, the question was about gluten.
Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 5:17pm; Reply: 15
Thank-u for taking the time Peppermint Twist, I appreciate ur response  ;D
U have many valid points ... I guess in time I will get better at this.

In the meantime that's why I'm here and yes eating out isn't easy !!
I probably eat many hidden avoids when I do so ... often times I do fall of the wagon;then forgive myself and jump right back on ... sooner or later !!
;)
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 6:18pm; Reply: 16
http://www.dadamo.com/faq/smartfaq.cgi?answer=988814571&id=988808165
Quoted Text
Does sprouting destroy or neutralize lectins?



In some cases, yes. In other cases, such as alfalfa sprouts, the lectin activity is enhanced by sprouting. The recommendations for foods are inclusive of whether the food is eaten sprouted or cooked, unless explicitly stated otherwise.

now for all you experts out there:
where is it stated that sprouted rye is ok for Bs?
I must have missed that part somewhere.......

(think)(think)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 6:18pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from LISALEA
Thank-u for taking the time Peppermint Twist, I appreciate ur response  ;D
U have many valid points ... I guess in time I will get better at this.

In the meantime that's why I'm here and yes eating out isn't easy !!
I probably eat many hidden avoids when I do so ... often times I do fall of the wagon;then forgive myself and jump right back on ... sooner or later !!
;)

Well, I've been on this here diet for 9 big ones (years, that is) and just this weekend I was at the Outback and had an experience I have been planning on posting about since then, which would be the second experience at the Outback I've posted on in the past few months, so it is even challenging for "vets" on this diet to eat out, seriously.  So don't be hard on yourself or stress out.  This diet is so much about purity, quality and whole foods for each type that it is hard when dining out because restaurants do not have as their primary goal feeding us a diet that is high-quality and pure.  They basically want to add more things to their sauces and glazes and what-not than NYC has subway stops.  And even if you have the experience and knowledge to avoid all those landmines, then, as happened to me this weekend and I shall post about in detail anon, you still can't predict when the kitchen and/or waiter is going to scr*w up and bring you a salad with croutons when you said very clearly NOT to, and a burger with a bun when you said very clearly NOT to.  More on that lot later, but I just bring it up here to let you know that I am very mindful and keenly aware that we BTDers are challenged at every port of call, so to speak, yet for the most part, this diet is really the opposite of stressful to follow.  True, if one ate out a lot it would be very challenging, unless you happen to go to amazing, rare restaurants and/or restaurants at which you know just what to get, but even then, you can have something occur like the example I just gave *sigh*.  I really think the key is to eat homemade food for the most part.  When you do that, all you have to do is read labels and it becomes very relaxing and not just easy, but joyous to follow this diet.

I recently jettisoned all grains, which seems pretty draconian, yet I am having a blast with it, rediscovering all the colorful, chi-laden veggies and fruits that I can have instead.

It is all good!  :D
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 7:13pm; Reply: 18
I think the sprouted grain issue is still confusing, and I've been at this diet for a long time.  I finally just made it all simple and stopped eating anything with gluten, which included most of the sprouted breads anyway.  (Sprouting does NOT destroy gluten)

But, I'll tell you, I don't feel good when I eat sprouted avoid grains, gluten or not.  So I'm not sure what the final verdict on it is.  I know Dr. D gives a high value to Mana (Essene) bread and Ezekial, but also says to beware of avoids even if they're sprouted.  So, since they don't do my digestion any good anyway, I chose not to eat them at all.
Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 7:33pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from lola
http://www.dadamo.com/faq/smartfaq.cgi?answer=988814571&id=988808165

now for all you experts out there:
where is it stated that sprouted rye is ok for Bs?
I must have missed that part somewhere.......

(think)(think)



My thought exact !!!
Rye bread ia an AVOID for us B'S unfortunately !!!!!
::) :'(
Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 7:35pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from Victoria
I think the sprouted grain issue is still confusing, and I've been at this diet for a long time.  I finally just made it all simple and stopped eating anything with gluten, which included most of the sprouted breads anyway.  (Sprouting does NOT destroy gluten)

But, I'll tell you, I don't feel good when I eat sprouted avoid grains, gluten or not.  So I'm not sure what the final verdict on it is.  I know Dr. D gives a high value to Mana (Essene) bread and Ezekial, but also says to beware of avoids even if they're sprouted.  So, since they don't do my digestion any good anyway, I chose not to eat them at all.



God bless ur strength !!!!
;D ;) ;)
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 7:57pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from LISALEA

God bless ur strength !!!!
;D ;) ;)


You're too kind!   ;D

The truth is, I find the BTD very easy to follow.  What really took a lot of strength was suffering through so many years of pain before I found the BTD!  My life is a pleasure now, and that makes everything simple and sweet!   :K)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 8:11pm; Reply: 22
Yay, me too, Victoria!  Yesterday, I had this leftover organic chicken (look away, B's!) and sweet potato dish for lunch, and everyone was exclaiming, "Oh, that smells so good!" and not one but two people said, independently of each other, "What smells like Thanksgiving?"

I just thought to myself, as I often do, every day is Thanksgiving on the BTD.
Posted by: yaman, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 8:21pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from LISALEA



My thought exact !!!
Rye bread ia an AVOID for us B'S unfortunately !!!!!
::) :'(


With all due respect, I'll object to that. Peter wouldn't list essene/manna bread as beneficial for B's in all his books, health series included, in the typebase, without a statement saying "watch out if it's rye, it's an avoid!"

He repeatedly stressed upon the fact that the lectins are not destroyed in the lentils upon sprouting, but never uttered a similar statement about rye.

My conclusion: Rye manna is beneficial for B's.

Cheers,
Yaman
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 8:23pm; Reply: 24
Quoted Text
Dr. D gives a high value to Mana (Essene) bread and Ezekiel,....

true but he specifically states from compliant grains, and states only
wheat as turning ok lectin wise after the sprouting process.....
I never read a mention of rye being ok for Bs after sprouting, though.

so someone show me a quote where he says that, pls! )
or explicitly stated otherwise

Posted by: Lisalea, Tuesday, November 7, 2006, 10:46pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from Victoria


You're too kind!   ;D

The truth is, I find the BTD very easy to follow.  What really took a lot of strength was suffering through so many years of pain before I found the BTD!  My life is a pleasure now, and that makes everything simple and sweet!   :K)




I have to agree with that ... it's so true that when people r sick and tired of suffering, they make the NECESSARY changes !!!
That's why I tried to look for help and consequently a way of eating healthy but that would also be ENJOYABLE 'cause I love food !!!
hehehe
and ThankGod I found BDT !!!  ;D
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Wednesday, November 8, 2006, 12:23pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from yaman


My conclusion: Rye manna is beneficial for B's.


Well certainly not for this B  :'(
Rye is VERY common here- it used to be my favorite kind of bread
- so when I started I found some sprouted  100 % rye bread  - but the reaction was absolutely horrible.
Every time it has been the same- and BTW I am NOT gluten intolerent
- and I find that not even wheat bread gave me such a violent reaction:
Stomach pains- diarea- itching feeling from my mounth to my bottom  ;)
So I have to agree with the rest.
Posted by: yaman, Wednesday, November 8, 2006, 1:32pm; Reply: 27
Hi Henriette,

Another evidence that we are all different..

My son is quite sensitive to avoids, he never had a problem with rye manna. But I make sure the sprouting is to the desired amount and that there are no unsprouted berries left, as he is so sensitive.

Again, as you had shown: our bodies tell us the best..

Cheers,
Yaman
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Wednesday, November 8, 2006, 1:36pm; Reply: 28
I agree  ;-D
ryebread is still a speciel- but a small serving at the traditional christmas lunch - it works so well lots of the sadly avoid danish christmas food.....
Posted by: yaman, Thursday, November 9, 2006, 3:26pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from lola

now for all you experts out there:
where is it stated that sprouted rye is ok for Bs?
I must have missed that part somewhere.......

(think)(think)


Lola'cim,

I've found this in Heidi's column:

"In the classic grains such as wheat, spelt, rye and oats, sprouting does destroy the lectin."

http://www.dadamo.com/columns/begin/ask2.pl?20041219.txt

Cheers,
Yaman
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, November 9, 2006, 6:07pm; Reply: 30
wow Yaman'cim!!!
chok tesekurler!!

can you give me the name of the entry, the title, cause I get the index with your link.....thanks!
Posted by: yaman, Thursday, November 9, 2006, 9:39pm; Reply: 31
De nada, Lola'cim,

Unfortunately I can't get further than the index, but what I posted is the exact sentence and link when I searched the dadamo.com.

The search function does not seem to work within Heidi's entries. I'll have to look up one-by-one among the relevant titles :(

Cheers,
Yaman
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, November 9, 2006, 11:07pm; Reply: 32
oh ok!
I ll try find it too, cause I m interested in the context as well.....
thanks!
oyunmak lasim sen!!! )
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Friday, November 10, 2006, 8:44am; Reply: 33
I have the deepest respect for Heidi- she was a very kind woman whit lots of help and knowledge- I hope she still are well !
BUT - I am still not sure about this for the B´s
- for sensitives B´s I would still treat sprouted rye as an avoid.
Find it really odd that a avoid should turn beneficial just by sprouting- neutral yes- but benefical is just ??????

Posted by: yaman, Friday, November 10, 2006, 8:56am; Reply: 34
Hi Henriette,

Wheat is the worst avoid for O's. Yet it turns out to be beneficial when sprouted. So it happens.. One can find examples of plants with poisonous fruits but beneficial leaves or vice versa. Like mustard being neutral for O's but mustard leaves avoid. As for the grains, berries and sprouts are two different forms of the plant. Remember, wheat grass is not an avoid either.

As for sprouted rye, I think you'd rely on what your body is telling you. I've seen it worked for a B, but there can well be other (genetic?) factors in play too.

Cheers,
Yaman
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Friday, November 10, 2006, 9:01am; Reply: 35
Thanks Yaman
Posted by: yaman, Friday, November 10, 2006, 10:41am; Reply: 36
Quoted from lola
oh ok!
I ll try find it too, cause I m interested in the context as well.....
thanks!
oyunmak lasim sen!!! )


Lola'cim,

I've found it:

http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/otd/archives/00000818.htm

see, güzel uyudum ben ;D

Cheers,
Yaman
Posted by: Lola, Friday, November 10, 2006, 11:02am; Reply: 37
chock guzel!!
bende chock guzel oyondum, ama biras yani!! ;D
great find, Yaman'cim!
found this quote, in my notes.......(no link, sorry!)
but it is from the old archives, by Dr D:
Quoted Text
Greg Kelly gave me an interesting article on
baking bread with bomelain. In the study,
subjects who were sensitive to glutens (and
probably lectins) in the grains were able to
digest the bread when it was baked with the
pineapple enzyme.


Posted by: yaman, Friday, November 10, 2006, 11:11am; Reply: 38
Lola'cim,

Your lucky day today :)

http://www.mothernature.com/Library/bookshelf/Books/23/16.cfm

scroll down and you'll see it, it's a Japanese study.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, November 10, 2006, 11:16am; Reply: 39
;)
the more you sleep........the more you find!!!  ;D

:K) chock merci!
Posted by: Schluggell, Friday, November 10, 2006, 11:47am; Reply: 40
Quoted from yaman
...As for sprouted rye, I think you'd rely on what your body is telling you. I've seen it worked for a B, but there can well be other (genetic?) factors in play too...


Interesting thread - I'd guess that its a Secretor Status difference in us Bees...not enough of us know our status though.

Sourdough or Sprouted Rye doesn't bother me, the other grains do horribly.

The other thing is Corn straight from a garden digests fine - but any store bought, or nonorganically grown corn basically goes straight thru, and causes horrible upset....

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